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 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 4/23/2008 1:33:22 AM

Many of these will coincidentally benefit people who may not be African American but You can definitely see that his focus is on the Black Community..


Man, a lot of those things benefit everybody. Even white men. Women and minorities getting paid equaly doesn't screw white men. Hell, it eliminates a means by which companies drive wages down.

Hell a lot of those measures help all groups.

I'm not a huge Obama supporter, I'm just an anybody but another Bush supporter.

Frankly I think the democratic party members who are talking about not voting for Hilary/Obama if their candidate wins are short sighted to the point of stupidity, and I sincerely hope that they become more reasonable when it actually happens.
 Nona37

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Posted: 4/23/2008 3:32:24 AM
I didn't watch the video posted on this thread. I will say that I have met Hillary Clinton. I must say, she is ONE strong lady. I admire that. She is giving Obama hell within this campaign for president. This makes me proud of her as a woman. Once must admire her road traveled to achieve all she has achieved, as I stated earlier, she is one strong lady.

With that being said. I would not vote for her for president but I did vote for her here in New York State. Hillary does more times to none support the Veteran Community. There is a notforprofit group that graded politicians on their voting history of veteran programs as well as military programs. She ranked highly, with a grade of A minus with of course A plus being the highest grade. McCain scored high as well. Hillary unfortunately does not know what she is doing in reference of the military as well as veterans. Evrything she has recommended will not make any change at all. I feel our nation's military and veteran community will be in dire straits if she makes it into the office. She is far too liberal to be president. Do I feel a liberal can be president? Yes, but a STRONG liberal and someone who understands that they need to work with conservatives as well as other affiliations to achieve objectives. Hillary is not this person. If I had to choose between Obama and Hillary, I would choose Obama, however, I'm glad that McCain is a choice and I do not have to vote for Obama or Hillary. I'm going with McCain, largely due to the fact, it's time for change within the community I dwell within, Hillary will not change it, McCain can.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 4/23/2008 3:48:07 AM
Nona, there was a recent veteran's bill that went up for signing, and I don't know the name of the bill, but it was a veteran's rights bill. The reports were saying that Obama voted for it...but McCain didn't. I know this is an important issue for you, and I think you should check into who voted for what on vet's rights, because you will learn that Obama is a huge supporter of them and even started his own bill on it.
 xxlt

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Posted: 4/23/2008 6:27:33 AM
In making the case that Obama is a "racialist," insolent1 lists many of Obama's positions/objectives and concludes:


Many of these will coincidentally benefit people who may not be African American...


So, is the problem that they also benefit Blacks? Is the problem that some of his objectives would only benefit Blacks?

I don't see anything on the list that is going to give Blacks (or any minority or any group) an unfair advantage. Rather, it seems Obama is interested in leveling the playing field for all Americans, including Black Americans. The statement quoted seems to indicate insolent1 agrees. "Benefiting people" who are at a disadvantage currently - some coincidentally Black, some coincidentally White - why is that so wrong??

If there is a law or government policy that places any group at an advantage or a disadvantage should that law/policy be maintained in the interest of "tradition" or should we not continue to strive to create equality, liberty, and justice "for all?" Should we strive to further create and maintain a caste system where those who have been benefitted in the past continue to receive preferential treatment and those who have been burdened see their burdens increase?

I know they don't want to hear it, but it continues to appear that the problem many have with Obama is nothing more than the color of his skin. That doesn't mean they are "racialist" or bad people. It means that they live in a world where racism is deeply ingrained in our cultures and institutions. Sadly, it seems they can see "racialism" outside but not inside of themselves.
 bob0colo

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Posted: 4/23/2008 6:45:29 AM

Frankly I think the democratic party members who are talking about not voting for Hilary/Obama if their candidate wins are short sighted to the point of stupidity, and I sincerely hope that they become more reasonable when it actually happens.



The first person you might want to email woould be Michelle Obama... Very early on



Mrs. Obama said on “Good Morning America” on ABC.
“I’d have to think about that,I’d have to think about — policies, her approach, her tone.”



Every time the Obama folks cut down Clinton they are attacking millions of her supporters.....

There is no way Obama can get elected without Clinton Support....... Millions of voters....

Clinton is not a Quiter... Gore, Kerry....

Her campaign was the worst....ever......
Yet she is still right there....
Does that deserve disrespect...
 Insolent1

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Posted: 4/23/2008 6:51:59 AM
The playing field has already been leveled... there are already laws that protect the rights of minorities and prevent discrimination based on race ,we also have programs government aid,assistance,scholarships,business grants,subsidies etc..that are exclusively for minorities.I used these proposals ideas stances whatever you call them to illustrate the point that Obama has been and still is primarily concerned about the Black Community from his theology to his political activism etc...He is running for President of the US which includes all races.We will go from a guy who everyone thinks is for the Rich Whites to a guy who is for the Poor Blacks...we need someone somewhere in between who is really concerned about all Americans....I am not arguing his policies, I merely was responding to a post that asked for info to support why I believe Obama is a Racialist...If you understand the Ideology of his Church you will see how that effects his political causes and stance on the issues....
ra·cial·ism -An emphasis on race or racial considerations, as in determining policy or interpreting events

Now please explain to me how this does not describe Obama?
 Nona37

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Posted: 4/23/2008 9:22:42 AM
Simmah:

Thank you, I will have to look into it. Thanks for the head's up.

The problem with Obama in my eyes is that he is not seasoned enough.
I will reserve my judgment of McCain on that particular bill until
I read it.

I do have to say that I do like Obama's "0 tolerance policy" for
homeless veterans. Unfortunately, he never did anything in reference
to homeless veterans in the past. The bill he wants to introduce
is nothing more than what the VA and other organizations are doing,
therefore, I'm not impressed so far with his stance on veteran issues.
I will check it out and once again, thanks.
 faith2565

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Posted: 4/23/2008 11:29:33 AM
The fear now is that the superdelegates will put Clinton on the ticket despite the fact even after Penn. she does not have the most delegates or popular vote and split the party.

This will just hand McCain the election.

A co-worker of mine today stated. If he knew this he could have run as a republican and become president.

The animosity between the Clinton and Obama parties have increased. Yesterday a political analyst was saying the 30-40% of the people supporting both candidates say they WILL NOT support the candidate that wins if it is not theirs.

When this election first started people were willing to support either candidate.

HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!!
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 4/23/2008 11:38:01 AM
Insolent, thank you for posting that. I don't see how too much on there could overthrow the country and make it the mirror image of South Africa. That's kind of where you're going with all of your fear, it seems. Now I know he's got a skeeery name...and he has a skeeery church....and he has a skeeery skin color, but what about the other things he stands for? He's promoted vets rights for some time now and supports the troops more than some of his peers. What about how he wants to get rid of the special interest groups? What about how he wants to promote an actual peaceful relationship with other countries...or does that scare you too?
 designingwoman

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Posted: 4/23/2008 11:44:39 AM
Well if Shillary gets the nomination, I am voting for David Ortiz aka Big Papi, my favorite Red Sox player!!

GO RED SOX!!
 xxlt

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Posted: 4/23/2008 5:37:27 PM

The playing field has already been leveled



Unfortunately, it has not. One example from today's news: a woman who was a manager at a Goodyear tire plant learned that she was making substantially less than four other male managers at the same plant (they all had the same responsibilities, the difference wasn't due to experience or job performance - it was straight discrimination, got that??) and when she learned about it she sued. She won the case, but lost an appeal and it went to the Supreme Court. The Supremes ruled against her, saying that she missed her chance to sue because she had been paid less for the same work for her ENTIRE CAREER. They said by not filing suit within six months of starting the job she effectively consented to work for less and the "statute of limitations" had passed. This conveniently ignored that the company does not tell employees what others in the same job are paid and policy FORBADE them to talk about it. The only way she found out was that someone anonymously dropped a copy of another manager's check stub in her locker.

Here's where it gets really good. I heard an audio clip of Ted Kennedy speaking passionately that this should not be allowed to happen in America, and a bill (written and advocated for by most DEMS in the House - per the news story) that would have allowed someone six months from their last paycheck, instead of from their initial date of employment, passed the House. It was blocked in the Senate, with the charge led by none other than Mitch McConnel (R - KY). He is from my home state and I loathe him, but I digress. Mitch said that the law was designed to "encourage lawsuits." No, it was designed to force employers to provide equal pay for equal work, which everyone thought was the law of the land already. And, if they didn't, as a last resort an employee who was discriminated against could sue - and receive equitable treatment. Now, if you think that equal pay for equal work is wrong, I don't know what to tell you. But if you thought it was well established as a matter of fact, you'd be mistaken. And good ol' Mitch is making sure that employers can continue to discriminate without fear of penalty, or law suit. Makes you proud to be an American huh? For all the reprehensible things Mrs. Clinton has done, at least there is still a "D" behind her name. Not much to cling to, but it is something.

Oh, and the story was reported TODAY on NPR - I am sure you can find info about it on their website if you doubt that this all really happened
 xxlt

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Posted: 4/23/2008 5:46:16 PM
The woman in the lawsuit I referenced in the last post was named Lilly Ledbetter. And for the record, if Hillary is a labeled a "feminist" it would no more deter me in voting for her than Obama being labeled a "racialist." I do not see either of them acting as an advocate for women or Blacks at the expense of others. I just see two people who want a level playing field. When old white men like McConnel and McCain want it too they will have a much better chance of getting my vote.
 jmarquise

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Posted: 4/23/2008 7:02:00 PM

A co-worker of mine today stated. If he knew this he could have run as a republican and become president.


how many beers had your co-worker had when they said this and what was the % of liquid acid in the drink?
 VioletSkye

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Posted: 4/23/2008 8:24:15 PM
Thank you, Insolent...

But all is see is 'will do', 'will plan to'...
Not has.
And most, if not all of what you posted, isn't soley for blacks, but many others as well.
 itechman42

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Posted: 4/23/2008 8:26:50 PM
Minorities may not be rising up to certain levels of privilege still as much as we might like to think, but the rest of us are dropping down to meet them in areas where Obama's policies and ideas benefit a larger section of Americans than if they were simply ethnocentric.
 Nona37

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Posted: 4/24/2008 3:31:47 AM
I have to state this about Obama and then I want to focus on "Billary", "Shillary" or "Hillary", take your pick. :)

This is the MAIN reason I will not vote for Obama. Obama keeps stressing he wants to withdraw our troops from Iraq. He has even been so straightforward to say, 100% withdrawal. He voted against a bill that was presented to Congress a few years back to withdraw our troops from Iraq at a set precise time, this bill did not pass. If I'm not mistaken, Hillary voted against the bill as well. Does this not show people within our country that he does famous political "flip-flops"?

Now...onto Hillary. I"m speaking as someone from the veteran community. Veterans overall are weary of Hillary due to her husband, first and foremost. Alot of military veterans are still raw due to our people getting slaughtered in Somalia. The Clinton Admin sent a detachment to do the job a battalion should have been performing. Our men were sent to their graves in Somalia due to not being properly equipped as well to include not enough personnel was sent. The result was our men getting slaughtered and some even upon their deaths were stripped naked and dragged through the streets of Somalia. One can not fully blame the Clinton Admin for this, for the military strategist's screwed up as well, however, what rubs us raw overall pertaining to this situation is how President Clinton did nothing but cover his ass on that particular incident, he showed us he did not care about the lives lost due to this admin as well as piss poor planning of the military. I even overheard a man who use to be in the regiment who suffered the most casualties state "Clinton should watch his back".

Hillary is married to this man. We do not trust her due to this fact. Hillary comes out to the VA on special occasions, more times to none, she is shunned, except for the ass kissers of course. My boss who is a Korean war veteran has a life size cut out of Hillary in his office. Currently the "cut out" has holes in it where veterans have thrown darts at it, someone has colored a beard on her chin as well as horns on her head. Vietnam veterans do not speak highly of Hillary either.

For myself, McCain is the best of the evils presenting themselves for President of our country. Speaking as a veteran. Obama nor Hillary are presenting anything that makes any sense in reference to our community. Obama has great ideas, but that is all they are....ideas. Everything he is suggesting is already being done within our country for homeless veterans. He states giving homeless veterans transitional housing as a solution to get them off the street. The VA already performs this. Obama does not realize that merely giving transitional housing to homeless veterans is only a temporary solution, he speaks nothing of increasing personnel with the Veteran Affairs to ensure long term follow up with homeless veterans who more times to none suffer from drug and alcohol abuse or PTSD. The VA is undermanned. We need more money. We need more people, the wave is trickling in now and we're working our asses off while receiving no overtime. We have Iraqi veterans being chased through our parking lots by family members and our cops because they are so messed up in the head that they do not trust our government enough to walk into the ER and get the help they need. Obama has not addressed these particular issues at all. Reason why? He has no clue what is actually going on, if he did, he would realize his suggestions for the veteran community are actually topics of jokes during smoke breaks.

Obama nor Hillary will not receive my vote. We in the veteran community view McCain as one of us. To the majority of us within this community our voting decision is obvious.....McCain.
 Blacksheep

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Posted: 4/24/2008 5:11:03 AM
Hey Nona

McCain sold out his fellow POW's and even himself in order to pander to Bush boys backers and get his chance at power.

in my opinion when McCain caved in on allowing torture tactics he through himself and all his fellow POW Vets past and present under the bus to side with AWOL Bush jr, and more importantly his handlers who will assist him financially and propaganda wise in this election.

They (corporate America, military industrial complex) went shopping for their new puppet and found him.
 aaronchilds

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Posted: 4/24/2008 5:47:17 AM
I think most people in America realize that our presence in Iraq will actually be somewhere between Obama'a 100% withdrawal and McCain's 100 years. The political rhetoric is never quite precisely an accurate description of the policy that follows.

Because you are an authority on veterans issues it would be hard for anyone to dispute your accounts of Bill Clinton's deeds and/or missteps or how veterans perceive Hillary. It does sound like you are more opposed to Hillary on the character issues other than specific veterans policy issues, am I right?

Until all AMERICANS get their priorities straight Veterans are going to be shortchanged, and this makes me sick, but it seems like that's the way the U.S. is now. People have very short memories and are obsessed with self gratification. Only in this selfish time could we treat those who make the ultimate sacrifices for us as an after thought.

I'll be voting for Obama or Hillary. I believe solving the overall health care problems we have will benefit Veterans greatly. On the other issues I can't support McCain.
 dancecard

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Posted: 4/24/2008 7:10:45 AM
bum~mer ~ i was afraid of this ~

man! politics ~ there needs to be a better way of doing things! ~dar
 itechman42

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Posted: 4/24/2008 7:30:33 AM

I believe solving the overall health care problems we have will benefit Veterans greatly


Obama has been very active in veteran's issues even as a state legistlator in IL.

But let's not allow the talking points of this campaign by any of the three candidates cloud the issue of health care. None of them propose to solve the issue... some of them, especially Hillary's, perpetuate and inflate what's wrong with the system. Don't listen to any of them just say 'Health care for everyone' and decide 'Oh yeah, I want that person'. If you feed what's broken with the system, it breaks further. All of these three want to feed what's broke. There is already a House Resolution being ignored that fixes the system AND provides health care for everyone. Why do these candidates ignore it? Basically what I'm saying is that none of the three candidates will make the health care system better so don't count on that. Hillary seeks to create much bigger problems.
 bob0colo

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Posted: 4/24/2008 8:42:29 AM
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Alot of military veterans are still raw due to our people getting slaughtered in Somalia. The Clinton Admin sent a detachment to do the job a battalion should have been performing.



I always wonder about the military that refer to this and use draft dodger.

Bush sr sent our military and military planning to Somalia...

These same people Love Ron Reagan...

Did he allow the Marines in Beirut to have Bullets???
 bob0colo

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Posted: 4/24/2008 8:51:25 AM

But let's not allow the talking points of this campaign by any of the three candidates cloud the issue of health care



The Swiss changed their system over in the 90's. I guess it is much like ours.

No one can push hard to repair the system...
When Clinton attempted in the 90's Healthcare and Drugs spent $300 million to kill it. That used to be a lot of money...

I am not sure what the tipping point is... $10,000 a year for non-coverage??? 100 million without?

I don't get it..... I wanted it fix 15 years ago...
 Nona37

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Posted: 4/24/2008 12:42:04 PM
blacksheep:

I do know some veterans have brought up this point. McCain's stance
on torture makes sense to me, even though I will admit, I support
torturing known terrorists or the enemy to gain information. McCain
has indeed been tortured. He is not some "wet behind the ear" politician
who is merely speaking. McCain has been to "torture school" and
even got the T-shirt. His stance is that it is a horrible thing
and it is not humane. I agree with McCain on this topic however,
I still support torturing. Even in stating this, who am I? I have
never been tortured, McCain has, I do feel overall, he has more
warrant into the situation than I do.

I do not view his stance on torture as a sell out but merely someone
who is against torture, period.

McCain has voiced openly his views on torture. He does not support
it, therefore, I do not understand where your information is
coming from, no offense.

McCain fought to have the interrogations limited. Here is the act.

http://www.pegc.us/detainee_act_2005.html

One can view for themselves that this act provides humane treatment
for people who more than likely do not deserve it.

Aaronchilds:


It does sound like you are more opposed to Hillary on the
character issues other than specific veterans policy issues, am I
right?


I'm opposed to Hillary from both angles. She's married to Bill
Clinton and she does not know what she is doing in reference to
suggesting any improvements within our community. So far, the only
thing I have viewed from Hillary is that she wants our military
to be more informed upon exiting the military of their rights and
benefits. Is this a good thing? Of course it is, but the military
ACAP as well as debriefing already does a great job of this, therefore,
I would expect her to come up with more ideas in addressing
SERIOUS issues within our community as well as our military community.


I'll be voting for Obama or Hillary. I believe solving the
overall health care problems we have will benefit Veterans
greatly.


I could not disagree with you more. The veteran community is a very
unique community with very unique needs. Solving the general health
care problems will not matter one iota within the Veteran community.
Reason why? The funding comes directly allocated from Congress.
Keep in mind that Hillary already tried her stupid health care plan,
it went over like a fart in church when her husband was in office,
I highly doubt she has found inspiration since then much less anything
that would make sense, even the general overall health care population.

Obama in his health care initiatives is once again.....rambling.
Sure, they are great ideas, but he does not explain how these
things are going to be funded? Reason being? It will be funded
through our tax paying dollars therefore, causing more hardship
than what it's worth. In other words, his health care plan is not realistic.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/#coverage-for-all

itechman42:

[Obama has been very active in veteran's issues even as a state
legistlator in IL.

Oh really?

1. Obama was not present when the Iraq Withdrawal Amendment was
voted on. His vote was NV meaning Absent,Present,Not Voting or Excused.

2. 11/16/2007 Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq
HR 4156. He along with McCain with this Act. He voted yes along
with McCain to end the inhumane acts of torture.

3. 11/16/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense
S 2340

Highlights:

-$8.65 billion for military personnel.

-$49.20 billion for operation and maintenance.

-$10.45 billion for procurement.

-$575.70 million for the Defense Health Program.

He voted "NO" to alloting this much needed money for our Military
and their families.

4. 10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008
HR 1585. Once again, he did not vote.

Highlights:

-Expresses the sense of the Senate that the United States should support a political settlement in Iraq that would create a loose federal system (Sec. 1537).

-Expresses the sense of the Congress that the United States should officially designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran as a foreign terrorist organization and assign it to the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists (Sec. 1538).

-Reaffirms support for all men and women of the United States Armed Forces, strongly condemns any attacks on General David Petraeus and all members of the US Armed Forces and specifically condemns Moveon.org’s advertisement about General David Petraeus (Sec. 1079).

-Establishes criteria to regulate private security contracts in areas of combat and require contractors to provide reports to the Department of Defense on operations and incidents (Sec. 871).

-Requires the Secretary of Defense to submit to Congressional defense committees a report on the total requirement numbers, funding, transportation schedule, safety issues, and long term sustainment capabilities of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles (MRAP), and authorizes $23.60 billion for the procurement of 15,200 MRAP Vehicles (Secs. 1517, 1543).

-Allows the U.S. Attorney General to assist law enforcement agencies in the criminal investigation or prosecution of crimes of violence that are “motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim” and sets a maximum punishment of 10 years in prison and a possible fine for hate crimes (Sec. 1023).

-Allows the Secretary of State to authorize a reward of $50.00 million for the capture or death, or information leading to the capture or death, of Osama bin Laden (Sec. 1219).

-Requires the Secretary of Defense to establish a process for assessing the cognitive functioning of members of the U.S. Armed Forces deployed outside the United States both prior to and after deployment (Sec. 1632).

-Authorizes $15.00 million to be appropriated for the Army to conduct a program for Gulf War Illness Research (Sec. 214).

-Authorizes $150.91 billion for appropriations for the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan

-Authorizes $23.82 billion for Defense Department, armed forces, and veterans health services appropriations

-Authorizes $142.88 billion for military operations and maintenance appropriations

-Authorizes $109.35 billion for military personnel appropriations

-Authorizes $109.27 billion for military procurement appropriations

5. 03/27/2007 Iraq Withdrawal Amendment
HR 1591. This is actually the one where he voted "NO" to withdrawing
troops from Iraq and Afghanistan at an designated time. Now he wants
to withdraw our troops? Obama needs to make his mind up don't you think?

By the way, I could go on and on about Obama's voting history. I choose
not to do so. I think I have proved my point.

Now on veteran issues and Obama.

1. 01/22/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill
HR 4986.

-Permits veterans who are 100 percent disabled to receive all of
both their retirement pay and their disability pay (Sec. 642).

Obama did not once again vote on this issue. This is a very
important issue within the veteran community, but yet, here we
have Obama not voting and we are suppose to believe he cares about
our community? I don't think so.

2. 10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008
HR 1585.

-Authorizes $15.00 million to be appropriated for the Army to conduct a program for Gulf War Illness Research (Sec. 214).

-Authorizes $23.82 billion for Defense Department, armed forces, and veterans health services appropriations

-Authorizes $142.88 billion for military operations and maintenance appropriations

-Authorizes $109.35 billion for military personnel appropriations

-Authorizes $109.27 billion for military procurement appropriations

Once again, Obama did not vote. This bill passed, but with no
aid of Obama.

There are only three times which Obama even bothered voting on
veteran issues. This is proof alone that Obama has NOT always
supported the veteran community, the proof is that if he did, he would
have voted on more issues.

We veterans understand this and this is why alot of us do not
take this man seriously.


Hillary seeks to create much bigger problems.


I agree with you wholeheartedly on that one.

bob0colo:


Bush sr sent our military and military planning to
Somalia...


If this was so, then why did President CLinton address our nation
pinpointing the deaths of our troops? It was President Clinton, unless
however you are referring to another incident, if so, please clarify.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-14550618.html


These same people Love Ron Reagan...

Did he allow the Marines in Beirut to have Bullets???


This person loved Ronald Reagan, for numerous reasons. Let's see,
every year in the military while he was our president, our military
saw pay raises among many other great benefits he bestowed upon
our community.

I am someone who had a brother who was in the barracks that morning
in Beirut when the cars containing bombs went through the gates.
My brother survived but many didn't. In the Reagan years and previous,
our nation underestimated religion as well as these then labeled
"Freedom Fighters" now commonly known as "terrorists". That particular
incident was isolated and not expected. Clinton and his administration
along with the screwed up military strategists in our military
intentionally sent our troops into harm's way with many not returning
home, and to top this off, they were ill equipped. They sent our
boys with knives to gunfights. I find it very different situations
and I speak as someone whose brother survived the bombing of Beirut.
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Posted: 4/24/2008 12:56:26 PM

If this was so, then why did President CLinton address our nation
pinpointing the deaths of our troops? It was President Clinton, unless
however you are referring to another incident, if so, please clarify.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-14550618.html


Bush initiated Operation Restore Hope on December 8, 1992. The troops remained deployed into the Clinton administration.
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Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/24/2008 1:02:38 PM
This person loved Ronald Reagan, for numerous reasons. Let's see,
every year in the military while he was our president, our military
saw pay raises among many other great benefits he bestowed upon
our community.


Come on Noma ~ Ronnie Rayguns ` slashed troop strength ~ we now fight with reservist with fancy war toys ~ Close military base all over the US ~ they need a raise.

offering no discredit to reservist ~ ~ but things are not as they were ~

If we had put Iraq in a "Lock down" ~ all this Bushsh`t that we are dealing with today would not be happening ~

We need 300,000 boots on the ground to pull this little adventure off. ~ we started with only 20 ~ How how $#^%(*&^%)^??? the notion that taking Bagdad and the rest would fall ~ was completetly ~~ insane.

We could just barly " lock down" Bagdad ~ and not tight at that.

Ronnie is credited with many nice things and many are very deserving ~ I wish not to tarnish his image ~~ but much damage waas donne as well ~ it's not all so wonderful in the big picture. ~ He played a mean poker hand.

dar
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