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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/1/2008 6:35:04 PM | draw me a hot bubble bath.......pour me a glass of wine......put on some of my favorite tunes.....and then....
go take a nap but not before you brush your teeth  | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/1/2008 7:01:43 PM | I agree with fra59e on this one. Seduction is highly over-rated and over-used as a word, as though you need trickery and shenanigans to get someone in bed.
What's wrong with real chemistry, honest, and mutual desire?
I'll answer that one - nothing. And in the good relationships, that's what happens.
Hopefully most women over 50 know that by now. I've found it to be true, and with younger women, too. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/1/2008 7:31:59 PM | seduce a woman over 50??
show her your bank account
Hang on honey. There are some woman you have higher standards than you imply. And, perhaps some have higher bank balances than yours too.
Seduction doesn't revolve around $$$ and cents. You've just revealed something about your character. Tsk. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/1/2008 8:23:14 PM | | Amen Sista! The size of a woman's bank account should totally have nothing to do with seduction! Those men that think it does , I feel very sorry for! So it is Canada Day!! Happy Canada Day all! Now just where is that Roman Candle? lol | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/1/2008 8:37:35 PM |
seduce a woman over 50??
show her your bank account
... I'm not one to ask for that kind of information...some sort of financial statement would be sufficient....and if you could provide a printout of any assests, investments, stocks & bonds, future projects...that sort of thing.
...Suffice to say....you show me yours and I'll show you mine
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/2/2008 12:03:14 PM | | She's over 50, not dead. I don't understand why people have such hangups about age. Your not making a real estate investment, you are seducing an older woman. She probably feels 20 so knock her socks off in the same manner. A little romancing goes a long way at any age. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/2/2008 4:24:51 PM | Treat a woman like a woman and the art of seduction is no different. No matter how young or old we are we are still vibrante sexual human beings. We all desire to love and be loved and esp. to be sought after, thus the art of seduction.
Cute story to me. ...... My father (70's) passed away and my mother found herslef at the same coffee shop they frequented conversing with a man. In her mind the flirt was real. One day I stopped in at the same time they were having coffee. (never a date just coffee at the same time) The man was many years her jr. , in fact younger than me... Mom was sad and lonley, he was kind and saw a sweet kind cute face. He was flirting more and more inociently as she became a giddy giggly shchool girl. You see flattery works on us all. She coulnd not understand a man that age with younger children. You see when I explaind he was young and just enjoying her company she went home and looked in the mirror for the first time. And ask, where did that old woman come from? I smiled, Mom she was there all along but let that young school girl back out and enjoy life. See, we all are very easily seduced..... It just takes much of the same at any age... Seduction is a lot more than the sexual act. It starts with Hello, a smile and a kind word. So, just do what comes natural and it should be well recieved.
May they both (Dad and Mom) rest in peace and love each other in the ever after. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/2/2008 7:02:10 PM | This kind of language makes me uncomfortable:
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Treat a woman like a woman ...
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because I don't think there's any such thing as "like a woman" in this context.
I think I am a pretty polite guy and I aim to treat all human beings as persons, each one different and each unique yet all worthy of equal treatment in that each has dignity and worth. The women seem to like it as much as anybody else. I don't want to be treated "like a man" but as a person. I have never had any problem with acceptance by women and enjoyed marriages with two good ones. I treated them like persons and they treated me as a person and it seems to me that way works best.
"... like a woman" implies gender role discrimination. I find that most women worth knowing appreciate being treated as persons, equal to men, not "like a woman" as id all women are alike. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/2/2008 8:21:39 PM | | ^^^Sorry but I would have to politely disagree with what you say. Certainly by all means, when doing like jobs, the roles are equal. Dating however, in my mind, is alltogether different. Women are women and men are men. There is a certain "ritual"? I truly appreciate being treated like the woman that I am and I most definately treat the man I am dating as a man. I find thinking along the lines of a "person" to be rather cold? Perhaps I read what you meant incorrectly?? | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 12:13:23 AM | [I truly appreciate being treated like the woman that I am and I most definately treat the man I am dating as a man.]
There is room for both i think.
That being, treating a woman/man as such, as well as an individual, a person respectfully. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 12:14:58 AM | I will be trying to establish how you in-deed quote here, as i'm trying, but it's not happening.
My previous quote was based on the lady above me.. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 7:01:20 AM |
"... like a woman" implies gender role discrimination
Personally, I find that life is full of things to be done, and when living life as a couple there is a tendency, usually, to share the work. Indeed, I find myself typically doing the heavy, dirty and smelly and dangerous parts of the work, while my female companion tends to end up doing the domestic duties, although I myself do a lot of cooking, cleaning, laundry and whatever.
Yes, indeed, there have been traditional role models, and while there are a lot of opinions on that subject, its not immediately obvious that they are imposed on people, or that the traditional models are in any way intrinsically bad. All the work needs to be done to achieve a given lifestyle, and I think, in general, to workers tend to take up the tasks that they prefer to do, rather than being forced into a sexual role model.
I don't insist that my partner do the cooking, but I do insist that all the work is not dumped on me while she parties. Its got nothing to do with sexual role models. Its got to do with the fact that the lawn needs mowing, the toilets need scrubbing and the pool needs to be vacuumed. Even if I were to be living with another man (perish the thought), there would be a division of work, and in the long run, it would certainly settle into some routine and, although not necessarily comfortable (nobody really loves scrubbing toilets) roles, the alternative of daily negotiation over the routine would be counter-productive.
Well known is the phenomenon of role specialization as the key to improving efficiency. I think that what couples do is to relax into an efficient division of routine tasks, largely to benefit from the consequent reductions in effort and the benefits of skill specialization. Ascribing sexual role issues here is looking for a solution which does not have a problem. If you are a woman that wants to maintain the septic tank instead of roasting the potatoes, I suspect you should have no problem finding an agreeable mate.
In fact, if you are such a woman, e-mail me! | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 8:20:25 AM | I don't think Moonchild mis-reads my post - I suspect we just come from entirely different perspectives. She says:
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Posted By: moonchild48 on 7/2/2008 8 39 PM
Message: ... Women are women and men are men. There is a certain "ritual"? I truly appreciate being treated like the woman that I am and I most definately treat the man I am dating as a man. I find thinking along the lines of a "person" to be rather cold? Perhaps I read what you meant incorrectly??
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Whoa! What does "Women are women and men are men" mean?
If I ever meet Moonchild, does she want me to see not an individually unique and special person who happens to be female, but a set of expectations and actions and behaviors that put her in a box labeled "woman" before I get to know her as an individual and find out what she really is?
Does she see me as essentially different from her because I happen to have an organ between the legs that she doesn't have? I would prefer that she be open to the possibility that she and I may both be individuals each with unique abilities and particular weaknesses and strengths each trying to make it in a tough world and each of us willing to walk with the other in trying, side by side as equals, to make life a little easier for each other.
"I most definetly treat the man I am dating as aman," she says. Hmm. I wonder what that means. Maybe she could give us some examples. Especially examples that will keep the thread on topic - examples of what a woman over 50 might look for, and what she might have to offer me.
"There is a certain ritual," eh? Well, not with me there's not. I love ritual in the right setting - the priests in colorful vestments, the incense, the slow procession, the sprinkling with holy water, the chants - but when I meet a fellow human being I am not looking for ritual, I am looking for sincerity, honesty, courage, courtesy, down-to-earth human qualities, not acting out a role.
She didn't use the word "perform" but it comes to mind because I have sometimes been totally repelled by females who think that men "perform." I am a lot of things - builder, dreamer, poet, artist, lover - but no way will I ever submit to being a performer out to entertain her. So if I ever meet Moonchild I hope she will accept that I am above all a human being, a lot like herself, not just an actor out of some role she has in her mind for men or a comedian or a clown to entertain her.
Is there a cultural context at work here? I am a California man, and I know this State is not typical of the USA. *thinks* Maybe Moonchild is from Kansas? *pauses to take a look at her profile*. BRB. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 8:30:44 AM | O.K., it seems she is from Ontario, Canada. Well, I spent a great year in Toronto and I know there are lots of cool people up north there. And she has gorgeous hair and a lovely smile.
Unfortunately she smokes and so far as I am concerned I would not want to approach within six feet of her or any other smoker, but all this does not explain attitude.
So where did she learn this stuff about "ritual" in dating and expecting a man and woman to be essentially different with fixed roles to play rather than just being individual human beings who enjoy exploring their compatibility? *scratches head*. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 9:24:00 AM | My dear Mr. Fra! Wow where should I begin? I "think" perhaps I did misunderstand what you meant. I too, appreciate individuals, male or female for who/what they are as opposed to what "organ" they have between their legs as you so eloquently put it. But saying that, I do believe that there are certain things males and females bring into the equation that make them different from each other. Agree or no? Some things the different sexes do better? And the "ritual" I meant was courtship. It takes a male and a female, least in my world! lol. You describe simply two persons without gender identity? Is that the way I am to understand it? And do not get me wrong, I am in fact in agreement with most of what you say, simply one small part of it.
Far as your not getting anywhere near me as I am a smoker goes? That is ok, it is your personal preference my good man. Never have forced that issue on anyone and never will. In your good books, I could simply be a "person" who smokes not worthy of your company. *sigh* | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 9:52:46 AM | fra59e, I think you're confused and have been eating too much feminist pablum. Any true feminist will tell you it's OK for men to treat a woman like a woman. In fact, they'll insist on it. That's only an issue with the member of the men and women haters clubs (who are *finaly dying a deservadly slow and painfull death for the havoc they've wreaked on our society). If you treat all women like people, what will make your SO standout? Don't you treat your special someone at least a little better then the common person you bump into in a pub? I sure do.
I treat women like a women, men like men, kids like kids, and puppies like puppies. In any context. The special ones get special attention. I was raised with a very clear definition of gender differences and there's no confusion with me. And you can bet your boots that my boys and daughter had this imbedded into their psyche. When my 7 yr old daughter walks down the stairs in a new dress, my 9 yr old son snaps out of his WII induced trance and pipes up with a heartfelt "Oh that's a very pretty dress DD. It looks nice on you". He might immediately snap back to pokemon, but he still keeps an ear open for her. But that's just common respect for the other gender. I doubt very much he thinks anything other than "meh..." about the dress. But she's special. She's his sister. With a bit of luck he'll be able to migrate that bahaviour to his relasionships when he's older.
If more women treated their men like men instead of one of their chums, everyone would be happier for it. (and I don't mean in servitude.)
You can't seduce a woman if you just treat them like a person. They have to, at the very least, know you want them more than anyone else, otherwise they'll just treat you like another person. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 10:27:54 AM | Alas, Moonchild is a tad bitter. She knows her smoking is dumb and instead if saying "Yes, I know I made a mistake and the outcome is destroying me" she sinks into the defensiveness of "I could simply be a "person" who smokes not worthy of your company. *sigh*". This is very offputting because she is not honest with herself so cannot be honest with another person. "To thine own self be true" etc., right?
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Well, I have met addicts of various drugs and I do not call them unworthy of my company or in any way despise them or think of myself as superior to them. I just choose to stay out of their way. Much as if I saw a mad dog on the street foaming at the mouth I would not judge it or consider it unworthy of my company - I would look on it with some pity and a whole lot of caution and stay away.
There are seven billion human beings on Planet Earth and that means about four billion females. I do not have time to meet them all so I intend to be selective. The addicts of various drugs are always going to choose their drug over me if it comes to a showdown so I don't think it is smart to get my life involved with theirs. That's all. Self-protection and responsible choice, not judging or condemning. Let the smokers enjoy their ciggies all they want - I just won't be around.
Now, she says:
"There are certain things males and females bring into the equation that make them different from each other. Agree or no? Some things the different sexes do better?"
Well, sure. Males and females are not carbon copies. They are NOT missing halves of each other. They are NOT soulmates - they are themselves, end of story. I really love the fact that they are different. In Montreal I once was lucky enough to see Maria Callas in person and trust me, that woman was totally female in a way that I shall never forget. Last week I was at the Getty in Malibu looking at their Aphrodite and reading about the report of Pliny that there was once man so in love with that statue that he embraced it and his ejaculation stained it. Yes, femaleness is a source of wonder and joy and it is powerful and I am glad women are so female and that there are lots of them.
But look at this:
"And the "ritual" I meant was courtship. It takes a male and a female, least in my world! lol. You describe simply two persons without gender identity? Is that the way I am to understand it?"
Well, NO WAY would I "court" anybody. I don't need to. Never did. I have all the companionship and relationships I can handle without resorting to the silly games of "courtship." If any woman expects "courtship" good luck to her, I'm sure she will find plenty of dudes out there who want to "court" her but it won't be me. I'll be with the people who want "real" and who show me "real."
And as for "gender identity," I have worked hard to become free from that, and succeeded reasonably well. I am no longer going to passively slip into anyone's category to let her put a label on me or to grade me on how well I fit into what she thinks I "should" be. If what matters to her is that I am male or female, or white or black, or gay or straight, or tall or short, then she isn't ready to relate to me for whatever I actually am.
If I want to spend a lifetime with a woman, does she think I am going to "court" her? If so, I will move on. If I want to spend a lifetime with a woman I will say to her our loud "I want to spend a lifetime with you." If it is a male I desire to spend a lifetime with I will tell him exactly the same thing. "Courtship"? Pshaw. Leave me out of it. I don't need it and don't want it.
Frankly, I'm not too happy with the header - it seems to assume that I will behave differently toward a woman according to the calendar. Why? Who says that turning 50 is doing to make a difference? If a woman is living in the present and enjoying being exactly who she is then I will probably enjoy getting close to her regardless of whether she is 25 or 95. On the other hand if her life is dictated by some kind of rules that box her in as "over 50" and "woman" then I will smother a yawn and move on and politely wish her a good day while silently hoping I never see her again. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 10:39:14 AM | Well Mr. F? I will not get into a heated debate with you about how my smoking is "dumb". That is not the topic at hand. You made your point with it and I choose to ignore it! lol
I am not bitter in any way shape or form. Simply because one has an opinion, much the same as you do, they are bitter? If one does not see things the way that you do, you attack their personal habits, call them names? You should be ashamed of yourself to be quite honest. A man your age.... | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 10:47:44 AM | Sam-Spade says:
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You can't seduce a woman if you just treat them like a person. They have to, at the very least, know you want them more than anyone else, otherwise they'll just treat you like another person.
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Who says a man should desire to "seduce" a woman? Or a woman "seduce" a man?
What's wrong with people just having desires and honestly expressing those desires? And accepting that others may or may not choose to respond with their own desires?
Let's grow up enough to treat every person we meet as a person, not as bait or as a prize to be won in a contest. And if that person is a woman, hopefully she will be secure enough to treat me as a person, not as just an actor filling out a pre-prescribed gender role.
Some of the women in my life with whom I enjoy and have enjoyed the most enduring and rewarding of relationships are women I *encouraged and helped* to meet other men. Possessiveness sucks. Supporting and nourishing the ability of women to love and be loved has proved in my life to bring me closer to wonderful women and to keep them closer to me and NOT try to "possess" each other.
When I encounter people stuck in the one-on-one model and think love is something to hold into rather than something to give away then I move on because I know they are still emotionally children.
This does NOT mean jumping into bed with everybody - real people know that love does NOT have to imply sex or marriage.
And love is NOT something to "fall into" - it is a gift to GIVE because you CHOOSE to give it. And the more you give, the more you have. Google on the lyrics to Malvina Reynold's song "Magic Penny." She got it right. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 11:28:29 AM | The main thread did not ask how to seduce a man. Sorry, but you can seduce a woman. And most woman like to be a woman period. Women can be naughty or nice behind closed doors. We are talking human beings here. What is wrong most (or you fra59e) with men? Seduction is seduction and I don't care if it is young, old, agressive, shy, bold, man or woman, seduction is seduction. Woman, Man, girl, boy we are all talking the same thing. It is not role discrimination. Leave it to someone to turn this into something it is not. Politically correct. Man oh man. They just ask about seduction. Pure seduction.         | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 12:22:38 PM |
Alas, Moonchild is a tad bitter. She knows her smoking is dumb and instead if saying "Yes, I know I made a mistake and the outcome is destroying me" she sinks into the defensiveness of "I could simply be a "person" who smokes not worthy of your company. *sigh*". This is very offputting because she is not honest with herself so cannot be honest with another person. "To thine own self be true" etc., right?
I have read this thread and Fra59, I believe you need a little help with comprehension and being polite. There is no need to attack a person for their opinions. I don't believe Moonchild has any intention of dating you or "seducing" you.
Well Mr. F? I will not get into a heated debate with you about how my smoking is "dumb". That is not the topic at hand. You made your point with it and I choose to ignore it! lol
I am not bitter in any way shape or form. Simply because one has an opinion, much the same as you do, they are bitter? If one does not see things the way that you do, you attack their personal habits, call them names? You should be ashamed of yourself to be quite honest. A man your age....
I agree Moon.. but interesting reading I would guess.
What amazes me is a man that age saying courtship should be thrown to the wind. Makes one wonder.....
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 12:36:42 PM | Interesting debate... If you would call it that. Judgemental? Perhaps a tad do you think.
This was my very first post and (sad), fra59, shame on you, you judged my "Opinion" as well...
Each person is in fact an individual... correct. Each person is Unique.. correct... A person... correct. Consequently, we will all have our own "Opinion" and no one is right, no one is wrong, as it is an "individual Opinion"...
Alas, you speak "freedom of choice", freedom for you to "choose" to treat a woman without any form of seduction, or as a woman rather "only" as an individual, is there not room for both? Or in deed the other way around?
Personally, i feel that there is... That is my opinion.
And, freedom of "speech", thou shall not talk to a smoker - i do not waste my time. Are they not individual people as well, as you chose to feel most uncomfortable with? Yet, you would pity a dog frothing at the mouth, and carefully move away, so you pity a smoker. I thank you also kind sir, as i try to beat the devil... lol.
Although i do not need ones pity, as i chose, to do so, and i choose to try to stop, but then that is my freedom of "choice"...
Seriously? My opinion - Non -Judgemental - If you do not agree with seducing a woman, then seriously - of course, that is your prerogative but as much as it is my prerogative to indeed choose that it adds "spice" to your life, makes a woman "feel like a person of what? Beauty, attractive, like able, sexy, lots of things...pending on the form of seduction. I see no harm in feeling all of those things. Whilst still remaining a "person", respected.
Women over 50 are not going to fall for the seduction of simply trying to win them over in order to place that "thing you talk about" between your legs, to theirs, lol. They are mature beings/people that can see signs...
But, in a courting situation of honesty, hell yeah... I would even classify flirting into the equation of seducing a woman...
But, again, that is "my opinion"... as an individual and as a "woman"...
Now to Sam:- What a wonderful gift you have given to your son. Installing the values of how to treat a "lady", compliments are indeed a "nice" quality to provide to the human race and i would imagine your daughter, would in return one day, state " you look handsome" to her brother...
Compliments gives "confidence" self assurance which assists a person in all walks of life. | |
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| How to seduce a Woman over 50?
Posted: 7/3/2008 12:36:54 PM | "What amazes me is a man that age saying courtship should be thrown to the wind. Makes one wonder.....
JMO"
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Well all I can do is to state facts. I am not here to try to convince anybody of anything and frankly do not give a damn if people are really into old fashioned courtship games. More power to them. I have never done any of that stuff and have not noticed anything at all being lost by opting out of that game.
One of my family members proposed to his wife by kneeling and begging. I never did anything like that and never will. That stuff belongs in Victorian-era novels. I have desires (not needs) and express them honestly and openly and listen to others who likewise have desires and express them honestly and openly. It may not be everybody's cup of tea but all I can report is that it sure as heck works for me. "Courtship" - ugh. Be my guest. To each his own, huh? | |
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