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| Did Something come from Nothing?
Posted: 7/5/2008 6:10:10 AM |
we can safely assume that the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE was recreated by an incestuous sexual union between Noahs children!
The creationists have an explanation for this. After the fall of man, life on earth was under a sin/death curse (supposedly before Adam and Eve sinned, nothing died...Yeah I know, it's totally silly,but thats what they say). This curse came about gradually, so in the pre flood generations, inbreeding was OK because the gene pool was still somewhat pure.
Also, many of them believe that prior to the flood, there was a canopy covering the earth that protected life from the harmful UV and cosmic rays from the sun. Guess they never figured that the canopy would block heat and thus freeze everything over, but then these folks aren't known for critical thought. So after the flood, the canopy was gone and life spans were shortened. Then as the sin curse spread to later generations, and gene pools separated, incest became a sin......Whatever, that's what I was told anyway. | |
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| Did Something come from Nothing?
Posted: 7/5/2008 10:11:21 PM |
The creationists have an explanation for this. After the fall of man, life on earth was under a sin/death curse (supposedly before Adam and Eve sinned, nothing died...Yeah I know, it's totally silly,but thats what they say). This curse came about gradually, so in the pre flood generations, inbreeding was OK because the gene pool was still somewhat pure.
Thay're still admiting that the human race was re-created by only Noahs children. Pure gene pool or not, thats still genetically impossible!
Also, many of them believe that prior to the flood, there was a canopy covering the earth that protected life from the harmful UV and cosmic rays from the sun. Guess they never figured that the canopy would block heat and thus freeze everything over, but then these folks aren't known for critical thought. So after the flood, the canopy was gone and life spans were shortened. Then as the sin curse spread to later generations, and gene pools separated, incest became a sin
Thats incredible that they can get all scientific when it suits them.
ps: I love reading your posts. Mainly cause you never get ruffled. You maintain your cool and deliver a one two punch. I dont post much anymore cause I get too hot under the collar when dealing with morons. | |
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| Did Something come from Nothing?
Posted: 7/6/2008 5:47:16 AM | Thats incredible that they can get all scientific when it suits them.
They can put on a nice SHOW of being scientific and it can give them the appearance of intellectual sophistication. This has been a 20th century effort, I think that was started when a fundy who had just enough knowledge of geology to make him dangerous published a book that explained the formation of the Grand Canyon being caused by the flood. His book appealed to the religous intellectual wannabes, but serious scientists found his theory quite laughable.
Pure gene pool or not, thats still genetically impossible!
When you peg them down, they always fall back on the old stand by, "God did it and he can do anything" | |
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| Did Something come from Nothing?
Posted: 7/6/2008 9:59:08 PM | Not believing that everything evolved from a single celled organism isn't the same as completely discounting evolution. I believe that God created the life, the universe, and everything. I also believe that when He created it, he made it a fluid system so that it could change as needed. Bacteria become resistant to antibiotics. People develop immunities to viruses and bacteria. When the oxygen saturation of the atmosphere decreased, animals got smaller. Things changed and evolved a little bit.
I don't however, believe that everything evolved from common ancestors. When I look at fossil evidence where scientists say "C is earlier than B and looks like B, and B is after A and looks kind of like A, so A evolved into B, and B evolved into C," I see different animals that look similar but are really completely different. I wonder where the small changes are, where the things look like a cross between A and B, and mixes between them too. I see scientists saying "we think this is how it was, so that's how it was." 20 years ago, dinosaurs were reptiles and sauropods (brachiosaurs, brontosaurs, etc.) were too big to live on land so they lived in swamps where the water could support their weight, and those statements were treated as fact. Now dinosaurs were more like birds and the sauropods lived in more open environments, and those statements are treated as fact.
The fact is, nobody really KNOWS anything. We all have our beliefs, which are shaped by our families, friends, and our own experiences and observations. " I'm right, you think differently so you're wrong, so you should think like I do" is the battle cry, and neither side will admit that they might be wrong. | |
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| Did Something come from Nothing?
Posted: 7/7/2008 12:33:40 AM | Religion - God created man in his own image. Which is a black and white approach.
I find that sort of arrogant to a certain extent, and I'm sure others do, as "God created man in his own image" can only imply man made God in his own image. It implies we're perfect. But that's 'afishinthesea' attempting to justify why I can't believe in 'God'. I'm sure an entity is responsible for our existence, and not the literal view like the bible describes. Metaphorically, we are 'God' however, because if 'God' is everything, then we are too. Everything is even the stuff we can't sense or recognise as everything - but it's there - so that would be our version of nothing. Because nothing is everything and everything is nothing.
We can't deny this is a fascinating debate in general - and especially within this forum... Great points of view - No doubt I've probably riled a few religious POF members now. In which I apologise to in advance. I think what I'm getting at here is, as a species, we tend favour logic over our innate spiritual energy for those answers beyond logic's comprehension - so we hit a wall, and then it manifests as figurative/fact, and perhaps limits us of our true capacity/'imagination' to connect with answers, we would naturally achieve. For instance, a new born baby knows nothing of religion... yet he/she, or more specifically 'it' (Because what are we really?), just is what it is - pure unconditioned energy. | |
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| Did Something come from Nothing?
Posted: 7/7/2008 6:03:23 AM | I think that our problem is that we think that things have to have a life span. I think that there was something always there, and we just dont know what it was.
Even the big bang had to start off with something. | |
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| Did Something come from Nothing?
Posted: 7/8/2008 7:16:11 PM | afishinthesea:
I was actually directed here by you from another forum of pretty much the same nature. It's funny to see that both forums pretty much are discussing the same thing however the other forum seems to be leaning to the scientific side of things. It is interesting to come to this forum and hear the more of peoples thoughts on the religious aspects of how our universe came to be. I've read some of this thread and I hear people debating the idea of proving creationism vs. darwinism (or any other scientific theory for that matter). I've not yet saw one person on here who tries to use both science and religion to try and uncover the secrets of how the universe came to be. In my opinion I think it's a little of both, why shouldn't it be. I was raised catholic and believed in God (in the traditional sense) my whole life. However I now kind of think of God in a somewhat different sense. I don't believe that God is some sort of entity or being puppeteering the entire universe. I think this is rather far fetched but this is only my opinion and there are many who believe in this which I respect. In your last post you mentioned how a new born child or anyone for that matter is pure unconditioned energy. This statement struck a chord me. Could it be possible that this pure energy is the God everyone speaks of. It would make perfect sense cause this energy (God) is in all of us and everything. It is everywhere. So that being the case would we not be created in God's image. Maybe God's image does not imply perfection and all that statement means is that we are composed of the exact same energy as God and everything in existence. Which is why God is everywhere and is able to manipulate the universe as "He" pleases. After all it is energy that controls all. I would like to finish by saying I feel sad for those who have no faith in anything cause it is faith which paves the way to great discoveries (scientific or religious). It is a very narrow minded way to live to only recognize the things that are proven in life. Also, it is a shame that the overly faithful often forget to recognize the wonders that that science has brought us. | |
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