| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/18/2008 5:16:55 PM | " ... They were all more than willing. *sigh* It just doesn't play the same coming from a woman to a man as it does in reverse. Not a one of them even tried to play 'hard to get'. ..."
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Well I have never "played hard to get" and I have never wasted my time on any woman who "played hard to get."
I have however been the cause of grief to one woman who stayed over one night and ASSUMED that this implied that she would get laid. Well, I do not ASSUME anything and I do not feel obligated to care about people who are dumb enough to ASSUME stuff. I did not feel obligated and I did not feel attracted to her and apparently that was very hurtful to her. Well, too bad. No woman should imagine that just because she is female every man is eager to get into her pants. It's just not true.
And if I stay overnight at some woman's house I do NOT imagine that her hospitality means she is inviting me into her bed. If that's what she wants, let her say so, and if it's what I want, trust me, I will say so. Assumptions really screw things up. | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/18/2008 7:11:14 PM | That mentality has been going around since the turn of the century. I don't even think the dinner has to be expensive for him to think that way. He pays, she puts out! Plane and simple.
Some guys think us women owe them for the dinner and they certainly don't want us to pay them back with money.
My philosophy is that if you pay, it doesn't mean you'll get dessert;reason why I'de rather pay for my own or pick up the entire tab.
I've gone out on a date with someone who paid (insisting after I offered) knowing that "dessert" wasn't going to happen and opted to not see me again.
I say, good, at least I knew exactly what he wanted to begin with. One less out of the way and I went home with my dignity!!!! | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/18/2008 7:35:32 PM | [this thread makes me think i should re-consider my position w the guys that offered me two grand for sex, at least i'd get more done w that, and don't have to listen to BS all night. i guess i was stupid to turn those guys down!]
Medana with that pic? I think ya probably get offers here! Just having fun.. and Dancercard, you make woman/girls sound like horses... giddyup, move on down... roll 'em.. roll 'em.. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 2:26:46 AM |
this thread makes me think i should re-consider my position w the guys that offered me two grand for sex, at least i'd get more done w that, and don't have to listen to BS all night. i guess i was stupid to turn those guys down!
I'm shocked! Any self-respecting stripper would have taken that two grand for lapdances and promises. The only guys who get extras from strippers are a lot tighter with their money. | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/19/2008 2:43:02 AM | Hmmm...didn't read all posts here...but you are NEVER obligated to have sex with anyone. Point blank and period. Although I do know men who believe that...but expensive to them is $50-60 dollars. And hell, you can spend that at Applebee's with just 2 people....so they expect a lot for a cheap ass meal.
~Welder's Girl~ | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/19/2008 4:39:23 AM | Ok now i know that the guys that come into those clubs are usually drunk and pretty horny.... BUT TWO GRAND TO SLEEP WITH A STRIPPER?????. I find that very hard to believe, unless there was something else in that poor fools drink besides alcohol.
there goes another one with high intellect.
so... if i am a stripper that makes me a subspecies or less a human being or something?
nay, just makes u a moron w low IQ and/or lack of (or wasted) education. if i brought up the 'n' word, maybe THEN u'd understand how dumb what u said was. get over urself.
as for putting stuff in people's drinks - corporations r extremely weary of anything that might turn into a law suit. any drugged customer could cost them millions of dollars. they r also strict w rules - they have secret shoppers from communities desperate to prove their case in court to get the clubs out of their neighborhood.
trust me, any chain of clubs is very professional. the rhino, for example, has clubs all over the us, in london and australia too. they have a lot to lose, and they r not messing around. they fire anyone doing 'extra', stealing, overcharging a customer etc.
I'm shocked! Any self-respecting stripper would have taken that two grand for lap-dances and promises. The only guys who get extras from strippers are a lot tighter with their money.
karma is a b*tch. plus, last thing i want is to have to remember what lies i said to who. easier to cut off a whole bunch of bs and just be real. i'd rather find someone else to buy dances, then sit there and waste time on a dude that won't spend money on me in the club because he thinks he has a chance to get me outside.
plus, not all offer a lot, once i got offered $100, once $200... many offer around $500 and most direct approaches are $2,000. they must think it's irresistible, they always look shocked that i'm not jumping on it... then they ask me what my 'price is'...
i simply say that if i wanted to sell sex for money i'd be doing porn and not rubbing on one's lap for 20 bucks.
even in the strip clubs, a porn star feature is thousands of dollars - the club pays them to do features (imagine traveling all over the USA doing this from club to club), besides the money they make selling their dvds and shooting the movies etc. besides $$$$ fans that follow u (i've seen a guy tip a porn star 3,000 on stage). it's a huge money maker, but not for me.
tonight, we had one, she must have made around $500 on stage alone (features get tipped big by everyone), besides the thousands the club paid, and what she made off selling her stuff.
that comment about guys get extra when tighter w money really doesn't make sense. sure they do if they r hot to the girl that spends time w them - some girls find boyfriends in the club, but i am against it, it's bad for business. u date one and all his friends will never dance w u again - $$$ out the window basically. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 7:12:27 AM | CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW BABY WELDERGIRL. Very happy to see you posting again in the forums, your intellect has been truly missed.
BACK ON TOPIC.
"That mentality has been going around since the turn of the century. I don't think the dinner has to be expensive for him to think that way. He pays, she put out! plane and simple"
Only a mentally challenged man would go around thinking this kind of behavior is acceptable in todays society. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 8:03:28 AM | | wow i dont think it is right at all. a woman should nit be obligated into sex. ok he took her out and spent money on the date, then he expects her to just give it up. that to me seems like prostitution. he pays for dinner and she is demanded sex, that isnt the way sex goes. sex shouldnt be forced or plan, just let it happen when time is right. why do men go out expecting to get laid. then they complain women are whores, but if they sleep with someone on the first date they are as much of a whore as the woman is. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 8:28:32 AM | Don,t eat.The whole nonsense about wining and dining a female is for that reason and I have been dragged home to bed without feeding anybody.We make a big social issue of going out to dinner and getting fed and bred is part of the process.I f a man is going to spend money on you then that is what he wants and many "social" ( celbreties) do that ."Oh wow we went for dinner" Jeez are some of you really worth the price of a good dinner? Depending what soial strata you come from is the gong rate of wining and dining >i don,t wine and dine my friends because they have their own money andI only feeda woman dearto me the rest could buy their own .As long as woman and woman has been invented some male want to get into her body .That is why peole have pregnan ,thats why there are prostitutes because they sell a wanted commodity thats is why t ther are STDS because some women like sex too and that is why there are SO many female fashion magazines that "oooh what does you r lover want in bed" Either be chaste and be smart ! When a man pursues a woman thatis what he is after .This "deer In the headlights"stunned duh approach is really naive.The other thing is that you don't need dinner to have sex plus THAT IS NOT THE WAY to start a good relationship anyway.  Sluicebox | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/19/2008 8:40:56 AM | | Here is a good one for you. A gentleman ( and I use that term loosely) IM'd me last night. We were talking and all of a sudden he wanted me to come over at 10PM last night. Said he was tired of paying for dates and getting nothing in return. Then he started mentioning positions to me saying we would fit better this way or that way! I ended that conversation quickly!!! I then went and viewed his profile and he has as a requirement that you must not be looking for an intimate encounter!!!!! What a hypocrite. Why he even bothered to IM me I don't know I clearly state in my profile what I am looking for and a one night stand is not even on my list. Is this common? Has anyone else had something similar happen to them? | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 9:02:01 AM | Expensive dinners don't make the man, being nice for the short run is only a temporary mask. If he's lookin for a quicky piece of the kitty just hang at the club after 2am and hit the "Coyote Ugly" by early morn.
No one, male or female, should expect sex or anything else as though it's owed to them. If ya want sex in exchange for $$, cause basically that's all it is if he expects sex after food (unless of course your married), hit the corner for a minute of pleasure and take yourself out for a fat steak after your desert.  | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/19/2008 12:35:06 PM | A gentleman ( and I use that term loosely) IM'd me last night. We were talking and all of a sudden he wanted me to come over at 10PM last night. Said he was tired of paying for dates and getting nothing in return. Then he started mentioning positions to me saying we would fit better this way or that way! I ended that conversation quickly!!! I then went and viewed his profile and he has as a requirement that you must not be looking for an intimate encounter!!!!! What a hypocrite. Why he even bothered to IM me I don't know I clearly state in my profile what I am looking for and a one night stand is not even on my list. Is this common? Has anyone else had something similar happen to them?
it does happen. guys expect me to have them at my house on first off-line meetings. can u say total idiot that doesn't understand basic safety standards when meeting new people? | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/19/2008 12:46:07 PM |
I then went and viewed his profile and he has as a requirement that you must not be looking for an intimate encounter!!!!! What a hypocrite. Why he even bothered to IM me I don't know I clearly state in my profile what I am looking for and a one night stand is not even on my list.
Those are the ones that are attempting to circumvent the “intimate encounter” block in women’s minds by having a profile different from their true agenda. They somehow think they are such a great person, lay or whatever and that they can fool or goad someone into doing things their way if the other person is that desperate.
Is this common? Has anyone else had something similar happen to them?
It happened to you, I have had similar tactics tried on me, I am sure we’re not the only ones. Think of all the unsuspecting, trusting or desperate people that actually fall for it.
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Posted: 4/19/2008 1:12:47 PM |
Many women "expect" to be wined and dined.. They expect a man to plan and pay. So, sometimes, some men, "expect" sex when they are with that type of woman. Hmmm ... I guess I could stir something up here a little. While I really don't feel this way myself, I have actually heard other women say ... "Well, men earn a lot more money than women ... why shouldn't they pay?"
I'm personally not interested in such expensive dinners ... certainly not from a man I hardly know. I'm more inclined to just go out for a salad or pizza.
However, if I'm in a relationship with a man and we are celebrating a special occasion ... of course I'd let him buy me an expensive dinner. And he'd more than likely get what he wants from me afterward as well ...   | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 9:09:01 PM | " if i am a stripper than makes me a subspecies or less a human being or something?"
I really don't know how you came to that conclusion from my post, but since you did, please accept my apology. My intent was never to offend you, but offend you i obviously did.... Once again my most heartfelt apology.
"men earn alot more money than women, why shouldn't they pay"
This is actually the mentality of some women. Which might explain the bitterness , and hostility being displayed by some men throughout this thread. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 9:35:54 PM |
This is actually the mentality of some women. Which might explain the bitterness , and hostility being displayed by some men throughout this thread.
With all do respect BV..though in a way I see their point..in another?..If a man asks me out on a date, and it happens that he also makes three times what I do ( and this has happened way more than once), why wouldn't I expect him to pay, if it was an expensive place? I mean, though, I do alright, I basically live paycheck to paycheck, if I have to pay for every date I go on, I really can't afford it, and logically, in comparison, he can? Am I to stop dating because I can't afford it? I mean, if you turn that around, I have paid for things for people who have even less than I do, because I know it's a strain on them. Keep in mind, I do often pay for myself, but, I just don't get this thing about, well, you with your $30,000 a year job, and mine with my $100,000 a year job ( just examples), you should pay? I mean those who have more discretionary income, it is much easier on them? I want to be fair, but there is the huge gap here...
My father made really good money...he treated people to dinner all the time, because it was a nice thing to do, and he could afford it. And he taught me to do nice things for people without expecting expecting anything in return because it was a nice thing to do?
Let me tell you my maybe skewed way of thinking...at the point of a real date, from a guy that is interested in getting to know me...here's the thing..it isn't about money itself to me..it is this way...we all know most men value money very much, it is important to them ( why this whole discussion, among others), so...here's what I always think believe it or not...if he is willing to spend some on me, to show me a nice time, or just to be nice, or whatever? I translate that as he must really like me? Because he wouldn't spend the money if he didn't? It being important to him? And if he won't ( assuming he can afford it), then he must NOT like me? It's about to me...liking me enough to part with something he values? And it just really feels nice for that to happen.
And I guess you could say the same about sex...for me, personally, I have to really like you to have sex with you, so odds are, if I don't have sex with you, I don't like you ( in the romantic sense)...it's not something I part with unless I really like you? | |
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