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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/20/2008 3:08:57 PM | why are the women in their areas not giving chase?
Because almost all women these days only want to date or hang out with male super model looking guys. Then when they are tired of getting pumped and dumped by these top 1% men who have another 50 women in the works, they go and use some chump to buy them dinner and then leave without so much as a kiss on the cheek. Then the woman goes and sleeps with another 1 percenter who dumps her like always and she then complains "where are all the nice guys?!?!"
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:06:03 PM |
Because almost all women these days only want to date or hang out with male super model looking guys.
I can't speak for all women, and in your age group, I have no idea...however, I can speak for myself and most of the women I know personally, on here and in real life...and I can say for sure...we aren't looking for super models at all...our standards are high in the personality/values category, but in the looks department, he just has to be attractive to us..which varies from woman to woman..and isn't that steep...I think men are far more stringent on the looks end of requirements?
Besides, itsjustme..you are a very nice looking guy..so, that can't be it... | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:37:41 PM |
Because almost all women these days only want to date or hang out with male super model looking guys. Then when they are tired of getting pumped and dumped by these top 1% men who have another 50 women in the works, they go and use some chump to buy them dinner and then leave without so much as a kiss on the cheek. Then the woman goes and sleeps with another 1 percenter who dumps her like always and she then complains "where are all the nice guys?!?!"
this can't be emphasized enough. and if the obesity wasn't a huge problem in this country things would also run a bit more smoothly. Too bad we can't rid ourselves of other worldlineses as well so we'd be on more common ground. Regardless men still are subjected to what women want and if they keep making bad decisions and can't figure it out and then listen to a guy "whinie" about how it works and the women claim they just have their preferences, why don't they just admit and state their preference is for just the few guys who always screw around on women - they're the "exciting" ones, the ones OTHER WOMEN admire so they must be good, lol. lemme shed a tear now for humanity.
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/21/2008 8:18:07 AM |
Because almost all women these days only want to date or hang out with male super model looking guys. Then when they are tired of getting pumped and dumped by these top 1% men who have another 50 women in the works, they go and use some chump to buy them dinner and then leave without so much as a kiss on the cheek. Then the woman goes and sleeps with another 1 percenter who dumps her like always and she then complains "where are all the nice guys?!?!"
Moral of the story; don't be the chump. | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/21/2008 8:23:28 AM | Have any of you women encountered this kind of man? No, I have not.
Can a woman be guilted into sex over an expensive dinner? I should hope NOT!!!
I don't know how much the dinner cost, but I can assure ANY man that a woman's "value" is significantly more than a measly couple hundred dollars (and it's not a monetary worth)!!!! | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/27/2008 6:35:37 AM | Um, NO.
Back to the other questions OP had:
Have any of you women encountered this kind of man?
Yes.
Can a woman be guilted into sex over an expensive dinner?
Sadly, yes... It's in our makeup if we are not careful and aware...
Would a man really accept guilt sex from a woman under those circumstances?
Sadly, yes... I try not to date men like this... | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/27/2008 6:47:14 AM |
Talk about someone that is clueless to human behavior... He complained that I didn't look at him most of the time, and asked me why I was so insecure... ME???? I think not...No snob, but I certainly don't have a problem looking at someone I find interesting at the very least.
Yah that is a typical comment that men (or boys) who are insecure will make to a woman who isn't that interested in him...that they are 'insecure'. To me it's just one more ploy to manipulate the woman into having sex, accuse her of being 'insecure'. I wonder how often it works, and on whom? | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 7:07:47 AM | I was curious about the statistics for myself so I thought about my dates in the past year. This is what I came up with. I went on 7 dates with different men. 4 casual munchees and a drink and 3 fine dining. Out of the 4 casual munchee and drink dates. 2 polite gentlemen, 2 asked for sex. For the 3 dinner dates, 1 politely asked for sex after the entree, and 2 got forcible with me and scared the crap out of me. So that is 5 out of 7 for me.
Also the careers of the guys are interesting , don`t know if there is any correlation.
The 4 munchee guys all would be considered blue collar working class types .
The three fine dining guys were definitely white collar.
So now my rule of thumb is , If they have a really nice car ( especially a Jag convertible for some reason) be very , very careful to accept to spend any time with them. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 7:34:07 AM | Yes there are guys like this and it is shameful and they usually have low self esteem. I can understand some of this mentality becuase of the way society looks upon the practice of dating in the first place. Many women expect the men to pay for dinner and men think that they can buy a womans love. When it comes down to it, this is manipulation from both sides and deceptive. I believe in getting past the B.S. and getting to know a person for who they are. You can still be romantic and respectful without buying things for women. This person believes in something else. Contrarily, I know some married women who go out with guys just to get the free meal and drinks.
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/27/2008 7:44:20 AM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I guess I don`t understand this. If a man asks to take you to dinner, why wouldn`t he kind of figure on paying. If I invite someone to dinner, I expect to pay. It`s called an invitation. The other point that I am not clear about is equating is how is some cash out of your wallet, equivalent to the sex act, unless you are a prostitute?
I hear from guys, yeah it`s a shame women expect men to pay for a meal, thererfore, it is okay for us to try and force sex out of them after. Sorry, not equivalent in my eyes.
One is a felony.
And no, it is not for a lack of confidence . It is a game of entitlement, and usually is
practiced by those men who are used to buying their women, because it is much easier for them ,than to actually have any kind of emotional relationship. They don`t view us as people. They view us as entertainment. I would also surmise that men who commonly act like this probably are used to paying for such services from a professional, therefore, just replace the idea of dinner as opposed to cash.
So what are we suppoesed to do, turn dinner dates down unless we are ready to give it up after? That is what it sounds like to me. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 7:49:14 AM |
Secondly, there is a double standard..
Women, for once, put yourself in a man's shoes.. How many women would like this...
You contact me.. You ask me out. You plan the date. You pick me up. You pay. You drive me home. Then at the end of the night, after you spent 300 dollars, I say "Ok thanks, bye"
That's just bull. First of all, who told you to spend $300? Are you spending $300 because you want to take this person to this great restaurant and have a wonderful time, and that's how much it costs? Or are you spending $300 because you expect something in return?
If you're doing it to get something in return well, that's just pathetic and manipulative.
And, again, who the hell told you to spend $300?
Honestly, I'd be really wary of a man who spent too much on me in the beginnings of a relationship because, there's such a thing as overkill. I'd be wondering who he thinks I am and what he thinks such an ostentacious display is going to achieve. | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/27/2008 11:15:17 AM | Now here's a person with her head screwed on straight:
"If a man asks to take you to dinner, why wouldn`t he kind of figure on paying. If I invite someone to dinner, I expect to pay. It`s called an invitation."
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Exactly. Inviting someone to something is NOT a prelude to some hidden agenda such as bedding a woman. It is a simple act of courtesy and anyone can do it. And whoever does the inviting assumes the responsibility to pay.
A woman of decency and self-respect will reciprocate and after accepting a dinner as a gift from anybody will naturally look for ways to give a gift to the person who has shown her this kindness. She is NOT obligated. A gift is worthless if it is mere repayment of a debt like paying your Mastercard bill.
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" The other point that I am not clear about is equating is how is some cash out of your wallet, equivalent to the sex act, unless you are a prostitute?"
Any woman who would go to bed with me on the grounds that I had bought her a dinner is a woman I absolutely would NOT want to go to bed with.
The persons I want intimacy with are persons who desire me and accepts that I desire them. Money and meals do not enter into the picture. No commercial transaction exists unless she's a pro.
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"I hear from guys, yeah it`s a shame women expect men to pay for a meal, thererfore, it is okay for us to try and force sex out of them after. Sorry, not equivalent in my eyes.
One is a felony."
Both are disgusting losers. I want nothing to do with any woman who expcts me to be a wallet just because I have a penis and she has a p*ssy. If I buy her a meal it's because I am a good host, not because I want to get into her pants. If she assumes that I am planning to ravish her with the aid of food and booze then she is definitely not worth of one minute of my time. I don't want her.
Any man who imagines that a steak and lobster dinner entitles him to sex is a fool. If he pushes his agenda far enough he will be a rapist if not at least a john for some hooker. No woman with any brains will sit down at the table with such an idiot.
Worthwhile human relationships begin with respect, both ways, and worthwhile sex starts with mutual desire shared by equals, not with obligations and assumptions and the gender-role traditions of a past century.
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" ... They don`t view us as people. They view us as entertainment. ...
This goes both ways. I hear from many men how often they find that females think it is their duty, because they are male, to be entertainers of women.
Well, I am not an entertainer. I enjoy good company and take full responsibility for my own happniess and do not place blame on others if I do not find it. If I am with somebody and she or he does not enjoy the occasion there is no way I will take the blame for that. If you choose to do anything with another person it is your own responsibility to enjoy it or not enjoy it, and if both parties enjoy it then bingo, you both won. If not, then move on.
Often women have thanked me for "giving them" a good time. Whenever I hear that, I respond "Thank you, I enjoyed myself too." Enjoying yourself is the point. No person can "give" a good time to another person. Let human beings treat each other as equals.
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"So what are we suppoesed to do, turn dinner dates down unless we are ready to give it up after? That is what it sounds like to me."
What's this "give it up?" I don't want you to "give up" anything. I want you to enjoy yourself and I want me to enjoy myself and neither party is "giving" anything up. Your body is not a prize to be won or a commodity to be rented or purchased. Shared pleasure is a gift - it must be a FREE gift to be worthwhile. So "give," yes, but not "give up." | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/27/2008 2:14:45 PM | Women, for once, put yourself in a man's shoes.. How many women would like this...
You contact me.. You ask me out. You plan the date. You pick me up. You pay. You drive me home. Then at the end of the night, after you spent 300 dollars, I say "Ok thanks, bye"
If you spent $300.00 on a date, hoping to get laid, you need to think about your priorities so you use your money more effectively. For $300.00, you could pay for an hour with an escort (in Texas, at least) and have enough left over to invite her out for a decent meal afterward. If getting laid is your number 1 priority, it's stupid to shell out most of your money on a dinner date. Who is the bigger idiot, the guy who says, "I don't have to pay for sex,'' and spends lots of money without getting any, or the guy who says, "I want to get laid tonight." and then spends exactly how much it costs to get laid tonight on an escort? You could have saved yourself from $50.00-$100.00 just by spending your money on what you wanted. | |
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| Does accepting an expensive dinner from a man obligates a woman to have sex with him?
Posted: 4/27/2008 2:28:03 PM | This happened about 15 years ago (hence this question not a new phenomena) - where after we broke up - we would go out for dinner, etc, and he would pay - not $300.00 but perhaps $50.00 here and there - and perhaps over time it did add up - needless to say - that a few of these nights - he flat out and said that he would not pay anymore since he was not getting his money's worth. One question that comes to mind is it $300.00 on her meal alone and therefor his total bill was in actual fact $600.00?
There are other things to consider - I had his child - we were attempting 'reconciliation' - but I was unsure and needed to take some time. Regardless, this little tidbit did not help in the least, and in fact, solidified more in my heart that his intention was not necessarily to care about my feelings but more about satisfying his sexual urges.
Not sure if this is similiar to what the OP was suggesting (in my case, we had a history), but the deadpan expression that probably escaped my face upon hearing my ex say this, should answer the OP question. It's not necessarily the money (although expensive should be reserved for special occasions), but it's the concept that money spent on a woman should amount to an equal amount of sexual pleasure in return, otherwise known as prostitution.
I'm curious to know what $300.00 buys these days? (on the basis her meal is in fact $300.00 and not half of a $300.00 thereby making it actually $150.00) I think in large part it would be which area of the working girl ladder the guy places the value of his date on - I mean - considering what he might want in exchange for $150.00 - it doesn't seem like it would go very far either in the streets or through a discreet service. Perhaps for $150.00 the value of conversation during a meal is really all it is worth and therefore he got the exact value for his money.
Sheesh! | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 3:37:07 PM | I agree completely with "overtherainbowthing" in that sex with an average escort in just about any place will run you about 200-300 dollars an hour and there are strict rules about the details. If a guy wants sex as part of the "bargain" he should just call an escort service.
Or he could offer the girl the price of the dinner for sex and negotiate up front...
That is basically what BV's friend is saying he deserves so why should he get half back? (his meal) 
As a rule, I usually do one of two things to make certain I never have to laugh at a guy who expects sex for dinner: I make it perfectly clear that I will not sleep with anyone because I feel obligated or am not ready before we ever meet OR meet for coffee or a drink and make sure it is discussed before an actual date. At this point I usually don't hear from the creeps again unless it's for cyber-sex (another real turn-on) 
TRUE FIRST DATE STORY REGARDING A DRINK FOR SEX:
I met the guy for a drink. He asked in a round about way if I wanted to go to a motel...I politely asked him how much he would be willing to pay for that...he looked confused...I laughed hysterically at my sense of humor... and left the restaurant and went home...the next day he IM'd me and asked if I wanted to fool around... ........I told him to call an escort....what a boob!! | |
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