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Posted: 4/12/2008 8:35:20 AM | "BV-your kindness and thoughfulness should be spread across all the "where are all the nice guys" threads"
Thank you Thank you, you're way too kind.
You know if you took a poll of 100 men and this question was asked.
"If an attractive women bought you an expensive dinner, would you be ok with having sex with her at the end of the night?" I could be off on these numbers but i am willing to bet that about 97 of those guys would say yes( the other 3 would be gay of course).
In this age of equality, I can't help but wonder why it is so much different for women. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 8:37:06 AM | | If a man takes you out for an expensive dinner and that is not a reason for you to have sex with him, that means and once again i have to use this term HE IS A PIG!!! I would rather right him a check for dinner then let him think hes getting sex from me just because he bought me an expensive dinner PIG PIG PIG PIG enough said!!! | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 8:41:47 AM |
You know if you took a poll of 100 men and this question was asked.
"If an attractive women bought you an expensive dinner, would you be ok with having sex with her at the end of the night?" I could be off on these numbers but i am willing to bet that about 97 of those guys would say yes( the other 3 would be gay of course).
In this age of equality, I can't help but wonder why it is so much different for women.
Seriously, I think it has to do with the definition of the word expensive. . . . Some guys think the McDonalds dollar menu is a nice meal. Other folks think $50 for dinner is expensive, while some think nothing of spending $200 for dinner . . . and let’s factor in which date it is – i.e. 1st date, 3rd date, 10th date . . .time does factor into this on some level, doesn’t it?
So, let’s define expensive and let’s qualify what the guy is like – the entitled attitude does not work, nor does the “you owe me” line. . .
My faith in mankind has been restored thanks to you and the sacrafices you and guys like you are willing to make. . .  It's good to know there are still old fashioned men out there who are willing to make sacrafices for the sake of the lady. . 
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Posted: 4/12/2008 8:46:32 AM | > it's good to know there are still old fashioned men
Now I'm confused... who are the knuckle-draggers, again?
You know if you took a poll of 100 men and this question was asked.
"If an attractive women bought you an expensive dinner, would you be ok with having sex with her at the end of the night?" I could be off on these numbers...
Warren Farrell answered this twenty years ago:
"Not many a man ever expects an attractive and successful woman to whom he feels intellectually and emotionally connected to ask him out the first time, pay for him, and keep making advances until he responds. Many women expect these conditions, which are beyond the limits of men's fantasy lives. A man often feels subconsciously that a woman's minimum requirements are greater than his wildest fantasy."
Ok, I cheated because he posed a slightly different question, but I would still say it's true today that either scenario is way beyond men's fantasy lives, and that you never know what some hypothetical poll might turn up regarding some hypothetical question which no one has ever thought about.
I mean, it may not be 100% if you factor in a few other things, such as the potential for a $75-100K child support bill if she lies about contraception.
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Posted: 4/12/2008 9:02:51 AM | > how do you think us ladies feel?
I don't know, but I'm sure I can always count on you ladies telling us.
Women run the economy of eros, so I'm sure we'll be listening with bated breath to whatever y'all decide.
( ^^^ It was a woman who said this, and a very conservative one at that, believe it or not )
But I hope you do get my point: if an old-fashioned guy is one who has no expectations, and a knuckle-dragger is one who does, then what does a new-fashioned guy look like?
Yea, I know the answer: single and dateless.
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Posted: 4/12/2008 9:25:17 AM | I had a blind date a few years ago - paid for a night at the theatre and a meal - and the lady was upset because I didn't want to have sex with her (however, after telling her I didn't think we were suited and we shouldn't see each other again she turned into a two-week stalker).
My mother, RIP, would bring guys home on the hope of sex and tell them they had to buy the family a meal first and then dump 'em.
This old theme has been around for multimillions of years and it's related to the provider of food getting sexual favour. In these times it's pretty disgusting and prostitution is a kind of expansion on the theme.
When one person pays for the meal of the other it immediately creates an obligatory imbalance and could be interpreted as a manipulative move by the payer. Which is why I believe on first dates folks should pay their own way. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 9:50:01 AM | well... for starters... i work and get paid so i dont go out on dates just to get a free dinner or free drinks and whatnot. i would never go to a super expensive restaurant on a FIRST date. if i did, i would make sure i have enough money to cover for my "share" of the bill. theres enough moderately priced restaurants in my area where we can have a delicious meal without having to pay an arm and a leg.
now... that guy who thought he was entitled to get some just for the fact that he paid for dinner (regardless of how much it cost) is clearly a PIG!!! the fact that there still are guys out there that think like this is creepy to me and very disturbing but thats reality for all of us.
when i go out on a date i always make sure i pay for something. if he gets dinner, ill get the drinks or ice cream or something, and if i dont get to pay for anything that first night and there is a second date, ill pay for that. i just dont like the feeling of "owing" someone, since theres obviously guys out there who think like that.
sigh... the JOYS of dating! aint it fun!!! LOL
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Posted: 4/12/2008 9:51:31 AM | Antithesis.........
Don't tell anyone, keep it a secret but...........
She practically LASSOED me, [stepped in front of my car]
after dropping 'hints ' with about a dozen people!
Anyhow it's a beautiful spring day, off we shuffle to our first date,
a dinner date, long story short....... we never MADE IT!?
[final jeopardy music here please]
(1) Car broke down
(2) Accident!?
(3) Giant Tarantula spider sits in middle of road!
(4)She took ADVANTAGE of a poor , inexperienced boy scout on the road! (ME)
[ I fought back hard.....ok....just a little bit]
'Course, we did dinner some other time! [made her promise] | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 9:58:59 AM | No but I know there are guys like this...still. There are also guys that think if they bother making half intelligent conversation then you owe them something then too. I just met one a few weeks ago. He gave me a patrinising lecture because I wouldn't let him ravish me after several hours of discourse. I didn't even know his surname. I sent him packing with a smile, yikes.
Pity. He was very attractive physically but his brain and manners (or lack thereof) really turned me off. He thought he was very smart. Talked a mile a minute. If only he'd been smart enough to...well you know the rest...
Last week I went out to a business dinner with a bunch of sauve bankers who drank heavily while I did not. I was conservative in my dress and demeanour. They paid for dinner and in the cab one of them turned to thank me for coming and then...he kissed me, right on the lips!!!!!!!!!! Yes, they expect something. I was stunned and it's an incredulous story I'm not tired of telling yet. His name was Rocky and he's married. Look out girls.
Main course, discourse, intercourse. Hey maybe there IS a connection and I'm just being stubborn and unco-operative. Yah right.  or  or  or  but I'll keep on  | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 10:17:00 AM |
Have any of you women encountered this kind of man?
I encountered some more often in my younger days. When I first started to actually go out for dates Dad always gave me money, at first I couldn’t figure out what I needed extra money for but he said “it’s just in case”. I soon found out what that meant. I remember the first time I had to “use” some of the money when a guy basically said “You won’t go home with me after I spent X amount of dollars on dinner?”. I handed him my share and said I guess we are even, please take me home. As I get out of the car he says “maybe I’ll call you”. I said “you’ll forgive me if I don’t hold my breath”. Now, came the hard part, telling my father how I had needed to use some of the money. Much to my surprise he told me that was exactly why he always gave me the money. So, my father knew about these guys from waaaaaaaay back. Now that I am older and wiser if the first “meet/date” is anything more than just coffee or a drink I try to find out first how it will be ‘arranged” or just automatically assume it will be Dutch treat. In the majority of cases men have not allowed it, some have given in to accepting for me to pay the tip and a few have actually have taken aback, I don’t want to say insulted but more surprised that a woman might feel the need to offer. I have found that those men seem offended that you might not think they could afford to date or something instead of maybe trying to show them you are not a ‘free loader”. In these instances I try to follow the man’s lead when it is possible. It is my opinion in some areas men’s egos are more fragile than mine.
Can a woman be guilted into sex over an expensive dinner?
I guess expensive is in the eye of the beholder, but I have never felt guilty even if they make an attempt, maybe because I was warned long ago by a man.
Would a man really accept guilt sex from a woman under those circumstances?
I am not a man, one has never gotten it from me and I wouldn’t think a “real” man would accept it.
Honestly is there guys out there that have this kind of mentality?
Since they were out there in my parents dating days and in my younger days, I suppose they still are out there. Hopefully, fathers are still giving their young daughters “just in case” money, I always carry mine.
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Posted: 4/12/2008 10:19:16 AM | ahh the ol sayin of "feed her" flatter her" an f u c k her" the 3 f's in life when it comes to the world of dating..i've encounterd these kinds of men so many times i've lost count over the years...
a woman is not obligated to give up or do anything she doesnt want to do..
there are no contracts that have to be signed an there is no hand shake aggreements that you have to do saying "yes if you pick me up an take me out on a date no matter how cheap or rude you are i now owe you my body an soul an you can then f u c k me an dump me at the end of the night"
some men figure if they spend a few bucks on you,,that you all of a sudden owe them something.. as if they just saved your life or gave you 10,000 dollars in cash.. come on it's just 1 lousy date..be grateful with a thank you an kiss an a hug,, an if your not too much of a pushy a s s h o l e we might want to see you agian for a second date..maybe?
i always say don't do it unless you want to, don't go out of your way to do nice things an buy cute gifts unless you really want to do that..
other wise having a hidden agenda opening doors buying some flowers or even going to the olive garden simple simple simple stuff,, just to try an collect brownie points an flatter somebody in hopes of getting some ass is "pointless"..
i would never go out of my way an do nice an sweet things for somebody i didnt give a s h i t about an really didnt like,,an the only thing i wanted from them was sex or some money..
i'm not going through all that b u l l s h i t.. i wont lead somebody on to belive there's more an that i care about them when i really don't an that things will never go anywhere between us...
of course this is just me an everybody is "differnt".... | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 10:24:20 AM | Dancer
Your story reminds me of my friend, she met similar
circumstances out in Cali-forn -i-a.
She is also really pretty, so I had to ask WHY
she didn't stick with the 'beautiful' people?
She told me she had enough of the 'money men'!
Seems that term 'decadent rich' fits more than
at first apparent?!
BTW Your writing has STYLE! | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 10:37:25 AM | | NOOOO!! A woman should show gratitude when a man takes her to dinner, regardless of the expense of the dinner, and let him know she thoroughly enjoyed the meal, his company, or whatever she liked about it. Sex is not the way a woman needs to show gratitude. That would make her a lady of the evening. A guy could probably pick one of those up downtown for far less than the cost of an expensive meal. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 10:42:25 AM | Few hundred bucks! Who is this guy? The late governor of New York?
I've got a limit on what I'll spend. Also I have scouted out the best deals in food and drinks before I take out my prey (oops I mean my date!). I've found two wonderful restaurants (Dayton, OH - the land of the grand!). One two can have a scruptuous meal for less than $20! The other I took two friends to it recently and the bill with tip was $41 (well I had a $5 coupon).
Then afterwards I spirit her off to my mansion for a chilled bottle of wine (really a $10 jug of Gallo) where I can make my moves on her. And if nothing transpires, we can at least watch Craig Ferguson - love that guy!
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