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Posted: 4/13/2008 6:41:35 PM | Carter will not succeed with Hamas as he did with Mugabe. Carter has this illusion of being a peacemaker. He has quoted Christ's beautiful words of, Bless are the peacemakers. The thing is, Carter does it by selling out, and it stinks, no blessings. However, he has been paid in full. Hamas is hateful. You can't deal with hate. Egypt and Jordan did not have the Hamas hate. Egypt wanted peace with Israel and it's economy increased ten folds. Jordan got in on the deal later. Trade, travel and Embassies exchanged till this day.
When Rhodesia copied the United States, even with their unilateral Declaration of Independence from England, they copied the United States. When they copied the United States, they were the most prosperous country in southern Africa. President Carter used his past influence and forced them to put Robert Mugabe as president.
Jimmy Carter, a Democrat has come out and said we need to start talking to Hamas as he did and pushed for Robert Mugabe. I can't explain Jimmy Carter. I don't know what's happened to his mind. I don't know if he ever had one. Jimmy Carter, not only did he give us Mugabe, he gave us the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran by not supporting the Shah. He chickened out and so as not to offend, gave France the green light for Khomeini's return. But he sure offended the Shah. It's no wonder Reagan won by a landslide twice. Carter knows Hamas has destroyed Gaza. They can't govern. They have shown the world. Hamas has done to Gaza what Israel would not do. Perhaps, Sharon knew them and had them do it to themselves by giving Gaza to them.
The Democrats are going nuts about China and Tibet. It's in the news, because the Olympics are in China, and the Democrats can make great hay by demanding freedom for the oppressed. Now, in the case of Robert Mugabe, here is a man who just literally destroyed a country and has literally appropriated the property of successful white farmers, nationalized it, and now that stuff's gone belly up. Nothing is working in Zimbabwe. He implemented liberal philosophy, thanks to Carter, and it failed. Hillary Clinton wants to take the profits away from Exxon. Robert Mugabe doesn't talk about it, he does it, and he forces countries there, international companies to give half, 50%, to the nationals. Mugabe is not condemned by Democrats. When's the last time you heard them condemn Fidel Castro?
Now, why is that? Because is if you export liberalism, it's the best way to get rid of all the other countries, and that's why they want it. They want to be silent, because in their philosophy. They want it throughout the world.
The average American leftist will not look at Mugabe and find anything wrong with it. He just hasn't succeeded yet. He just hasn't turned it into a paradise. But American liberals love Castro, love Chavez, love Mugabe, all these dictators, because they envy the power they have.
They don't condemn Hamas either. They would want a deal with Hamas resulting in the destruction of Israel. Just like Zimbabwe. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2008 8:03:09 PM | | I played soccer for a Scottish team and i played agaist alot of Scots Most were good people and some were not so good.I wonder which one is Soul, and was he programed that way. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2008 8:28:18 PM |
The head of Hamas is also the head of the political party that swept the Palestinian elections.
We supported a vote for leadership after Arafat died. This was what the Palestinians then chose. A terrorist organization? yes. A chosen governmental body representing their people? Yes.
We see where we've gotten with Condi's assertion not to lend legitimacy to those with whom we don't like. The Palestinians made Hamas legitimate by electing them. Why not at least a dialog? Why does a former President from 28 years ago have to be the one to consider it? One that helped broker a seemingly impossible peace once in the region before?
I disagree with Hamas. I do think they are an impedance to any peace but not the only one. Settlements still going up in post-67 seized territories is an impedance too. But Hamas is there. They will not go away. Why not a talk? | |
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Posted: 4/13/2008 8:42:39 PM |
Considering that Israel gets the majority of the US's foreign aid budget (something like 1/3?,) I think the amount of comments you see about Israel is justifiable and proportional. Not quite. It gets the most of any country from the US. In 2006, total US Foreign Aid was $21.3 billion, of which $2.5 billion went to Israel (12%), $1.8 to Egypt (8%), and the rest when to assorted countries. While I am unsure why Israel gets so much, 11% (1/9) is a far cry from 1/3 (33%), by about 3 times, the same amount as 1/3 would be to 100%. If Israel was really getting 1/3 (33%), such a claim would be equivalent to saying Israel got every last penny of US Foreign Aid (100%), and not a penny went to any other country. If you got that level of error wrong: 33% instead of 11% in an engineering design, like a skyscraper, that skyscraper would be a literal deathtrap. That's how off the error is from fair and just reporting. You can see how the statements about Israel are not justifiable in light of such an erroneous claim, because it means that other comments about Israel might very well have the same level of error.
HANAS is the elected representative of the Palestinian people and it is right that President Carter should meet with them. So was the PLO. When you do a search on Lebanon's history, you might just find out that before the PLO entered, it was a tourist paradise, a virtual playground of the rich and famous, a well-off economy and provided England with well-educated jounalists and comedians, such as Dom Joly amongst others. When the PLO were forced to leave, the country was a bomb-site, and a large part of that damage was done before the Lebanon war. Once the PLO was forced to leave Lebanon, they tried to enter the other countries of the Middle East: Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and not a single Arab country wanted them, or let them in. Do you ever wonder why not a single country of their brethren wanted them?
Your observation that this will likely lead to the deaths of children and babies is probably correct. What happened when HAMAS indicated a willingness to soften its' stance and negotiate: the beach party was bombed , women and children willfully murdered by the zionists. Successfully derailing any attempt for peace. I really would like to meet these zionists you speak to, because my whole family served in the war. I've got one uncle who spent his whole career in the Army until retirement. I know people who used to run whole hangers in the Air force. I know Army policy when I was there in 88-92. NONE of these "zionists" would ever bomb women or children or murder them, and yet the policy of the time went much further than that, that someone would pretty much have to have a knife put at your throat, and plunging into you before you could pull a trigger on an adult male, let alone women, or children. A few soldiers died thanks to that policy, because by the time they aimed to shoot, they were being carved into pieces. Two were young girls, aged around 18.
The zionists reluctance to negotiate with HAMAS is not based on any high moral standard of a refusal to talk to "terrorists" because the zionists are by far the larger terrorists. they refuse to negotiate because they fear having to give up their ill-gotten gains, the West Bank, Northern Palestine and the Golan Heights. Really? So why on Earth did Israel give back the Sinai peninsula? Why did they force Israeli settlements off the peninsula, even though those settlers put up one hell of a fight? Why did the government oppose the majority opinion of their voters who thought that the Egyptians would never settle for peace, and would just use the Sinai as a place to attack Israel from? Why did Israel give back the Sinai, when it had substantially wealthy oil fields, which was Israel's only real source of oil in the Middle East? Why would it give up settlements, oil fields, tactical security, and a piece of land that dwarfs Israel by comparison, even including the boundaries of Israel as it stands today, with the West Bank thrown in? Please tell me. 'Cause I cannot think of a damn reason in the entire world except for peace.
Also, please explain to me, if the President of Israel is willing to talk with Carter, when he knows that all Carter is interested in is getting Israel and Hamas to talk, is anything other than an open invitation for peace. I suppose if President Bush was willing to talk to Carter about talks with Hamas, would that mean that the USA is NOT willing to talk to Carter about Hamas? Please, explain this.
While we're at it, why doesn't Canada give Quebec back to the French? It's theirs. The FLQ are just fighting for their people's rights. GIVE BACK QUEBEC! | |
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Posted: 4/13/2008 8:50:28 PM | | I have met Jimmy Carter and he is so stupid and out of touch he thinks the Jews and the Muslims should sit down and talk it out like Christians.The ill- gotten gains of the Israeli's were won in three wars that were started by Egypt, Syria,Jordan,Iraq,and Saudi Arabia,All countries that don't mind seeing 747's fly into American buildings.Read a little history before you open your mouth and show how truly ignorant you are. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2008 9:01:55 PM |
I have met Jimmy Carter and he is so stupid and out of touch
Shook his hand as he passed in a meet and greet or sat down and talked to him for longer than ten minutes? In what capacity? How exactly are we supposed to measure your assessment of the man? What credentials do YOU have that allows you to assess this man's credibility as a diplomat, peacemaker and participant in world history, while you are essentially...well some joe-blow, nobody, loudmouth buttscratcher on the internet? Hmm?
he thinks the Jews and the Muslims should sit down and talk it out like Christians.
Yeah because we all know how much more on the level and reasonable the Christian West is at sorting out its problems without violence...
Read a little history before you open your mouth and show how truly ignorant you are.
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Posted: 4/13/2008 9:08:29 PM | I agree darjeeling, Msg 3, well put.
Perfectly legitimate for Carter as a former US president to meet with Hamas. I was all in favor of it when I heard. His book was a welcome breath of fresh air also, some truth added to the ongoing "debate", finally. As was Mearsheimer's and Walt's "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy". And the second point you made, yes, exactly. And many times it's the likes of American "Christian Zionists" (eg, John Hagee) who are the most fervent and vocal (and hateful) about all of it. Any type of Zionist turns my stomach at this point, whether it's some armed illegal Jewish squatter on a settlement on land that was taken from the rightful owners whose family had farmed it for 500 (or more) years, or some southern evangelical Christian head case. And the automatic programmed response of "hater", or "anti-Semite", or any invocation of the holocaust, is simply a cheap smear tactic at this point; the last fall-back line of defense for those who have no other rational arguments left to back up their position.
What right does some Jew born in , say, NYC or NJ, whose parents were both American-born as well (or if not then were perhaps Eastern European or Russian-born), have going over to these peoples' land (the Arabs) and occupying a new home built on an illegal settlement while the original (and rightful) owners of the land live in in squalor in some refugee camp?? All because of something they see in the Old Testament (or Hebrew Bible rather) ? Not a chance. As a non-Xian I don't buy that Biblical "reasoning" for one second.
Furthermore they always seem to forget the more recent history; that land was predominantly Arab and Muslim ever since the Muslim conquest in the 7th century CE , and the Muslims successfully fought off the Christians for that land as well centuries later. If Israel doesn't at least pull back to its pre-war borders, remove the intrusive Wall, and give East Jerusalem (alAqsa, etc) as the Palestinian capital as well as full right of return, as part of a complete two-state solution, then there will never be peace there -- nor will the Israeli Rightish types deserve any.
All resistance against Israeli illegal settlers or military is legitimate and is to be expected, IMO. I have a feeling however that all too many Israelis will not want to negotiate any longer, except if they ever are forced to by way of some catastrophe , or by force. Israel ought to have its substantial US allowance cut off until it begins to take steps towards ending this crisis which only it can truly end. If the US gov't were serious about promoting peace and freedom in that region then they'd start closest to "home", so to speak; with forcing Israel to comply. If it were vice-versa, no Arab country would get away with treating Jews in that way. Not if the US had anything to say about it. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2008 9:19:24 PM | Here's my thing...
Carter: Is there anything that can be done to further a peaceful resolution?
Hamas Guy: Destroy Israel.
Carter: Okay. Thanks for coming down.
I see that as the worst case scenario here. How can that hurt? | |
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Posted: 4/13/2008 9:44:03 PM | Scorpio,
HAMAS is the elected representative of the Palestinian people and it is right that President Carter should meet with them.
It is no secret that the zionists covet the Litani River for its' water resources. Driving the PLO into Lebanon and destroying the south was a good tactic that almost succeeeded. The rest of your comments about the PLO are non sequiturs for this discussion.
B'tsalem, an Israeli peace group, keeps a running count of deaths in both the occupied territories and israel. I suggest you look at their statistics. You will find that the killings of women and children by the IDF are disproportionate, another thing you will find is that most of the children were killed by shots to the head or thorax--sniper shots.
Israel gave the Sinai back to Egypt because the US told them to, simple as that.
Bush will not talk to Carter about HAMAS because the neocons will not let him. Don't forget that it is AIPAC that is the most strident in calls for war in the middle east.
are you locked in a time warp? Your comments about quebec are dated and asinine.
eric 2008, your comments about jews and arabs sitting down and talking like christians are bigotted and arrogant reflecting the stance that"might is right" . More like the 19th century and most unworthy of the 21st. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2008 10:26:15 PM | You dont meet with a known murderer who is an impediment to peace.The only thing that happens is you add credibility to this murderer
Yah like those Damned IRA, having an actual discussion with them would NEVER help resolve that situation.
No wait, it totally did.
I have met Jimmy Carter and he is so stupid and out of touch he thinks the Jews and the Muslims should sit down and talk it out like Christians.The ill- gotten gains of the Israeli's were won in three wars that were started by Egypt, Syria,Jordan,Iraq,and Saudi Arabia,All countries that don't mind seeing 747's fly into American buildings.Read a little history before you open your mouth and show how truly ignorant you are.
Heh, anybody who uses Iraq and 9/11 in the same sentence without having "Had nothing to do with each other" instantly discredits themselves.
Bush or Carter
Neither, you have to go pretty far back in history, but you'll find at least 2 or 3 that are worse.
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Posted: 4/14/2008 8:40:54 AM |
HAMAS is the elected representative of the Palestinian people and it is right that President Carter should meet with them. If EX-President Carter wants to meet with Hamas, that is his choice. But it is THEIR choice whether to meet with him or not. You don't have a say in it. Similarly, for YOU to start dictating what individual Israeli politicians must do, would make you a dictator. It's their choice. Not yours.
It is no secret that the zionists covet the Litani River for its' water resources. Driving the PLO into Lebanon and destroying the south was a good tactic that almost succeeeded. The rest of your comments about the PLO are non sequiturs for this discussion. The only way that Israel could keep control of the Litani is to stay in control of Lebanon. But they haven't been in control of the country since October 2006. How can you Israel covet something they let go by choice?
B'tsalem, an Israeli peace group, keeps a running count of deaths in both the occupied territories and israel. I suggest you look at their statistics. You will find that the killings of women and children by the IDF are disproportionate, another thing you will find is that most of the children were killed by shots to the head or thorax--sniper shots. This is very worrying, because if a group of people are faced with armed soldiers, and snipers shoot ANYONE, the tendency is to blame the soldiers, not the snipers, which enrages the people. But because the snipers are only firing single shots at a time, it gives the people the impression that the soldiers will only fire single shots, and that the group will be able to overpower the soldiers and kill them easily. If snipers were firing at Palestinians who were faced with armed Israeli soldiers, I would expect the Palestinians to attack the soldiers as one body and kill them all, because the soldiers would not have the ability to force such a large group back in such close quarters.
If Israeli forces used snipers, it would only make sense for them to take out adult males who are carrying heavy artillery, or suicide bombs.
It would be absolutely suicidal for Israeli soldiers to be accompanied by snipers who shot children, because it would drive the Palestinians into a mob frenzy that would attack the soldiers without mercy or thought to their own welfare. It could not be stopped except by killing every last Palestinian in a massacre of hundreds. Unless the news starts reporting that Israeli soldiers used machine guns to wipe out hundreds of Palestinians in each spot, it would mean Israeli snipers were trying to get their soldiers killed in the horribly mutilating fashion.
So it doesn't make any sense at all for Israelis to be using snipers in this way.
The only other alternative would be that Islamic terrorists are trying to get the Palestinians riled up to such a frenzy that they would blame the Israelis for these atrocities, by killing helpless men and women from a long way away, where it cannot be seen that it was Islamic terrorists that did the killing, and since the only people who visibly have guns would be the Israeli soldiers, it would be blamed on the Israelis. This would get reported in the same way to neutral journalists, who would also blame the Israelis for the same reasons. It would make people so upset, they wouldn't think to question the situation, and do proper checks on the angle of entry, and the ballistics, to confirm who was doing the shooting.
It would be horrific to think that Islamic terrorists are killing their own people, or their own related people. However, considering that towards the end of the Iran-Iraq war, both sides started to use children, it appears that children are used as combatants by Islamic terrorists. Also, suicide bombers are considered OK by Islamic terrorists, as a form of human collateral damage. So it is conceivable that Islamic terrorists might consider the shooting of such Palestinian children as a form of human collateral damage, in order to turn the Palestinian people to the "right path", that of seeing the Israelis as their most hated enemy, and to attempt to kill them in any way possible. It would certainly fill the ranks with regular volunteers for suicide bombings if their little brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, nephews and nieces were all shot to pieces and their relatives thought the Israelis did it.
I would also like to question if the inspections of the bodies revealed if any of those kids were shot by left-handers, because I would expect to see between 10-25% of the shooters to be lefties if they were Israelis, and almost none to be lefties if they were Muslim extremists. Between 10-25% of people are left-handed. In secular countries such as Israel, where atheism has long been promoted, lefties are given the freedom to use their left hand. But extreme religious groups have a long-known habit of forcing lefties to use their right, such as was forced on one of my friends, who had his left arm tied behind his back while he was in Catholic school, and I believe, Islam is no different in this respect.
Also, what kind of guns were used? Israel trains their soldiers on specific weapons, like the Galil and the Uzi. Islamic forces use different weapons, such as the AK-47.
Israel gave the Sinai back to Egypt because the US told them to, simple as that. Israel isn't America's lackey. America has public US bases in countries all over the world, even though the people of those countries don't want them. AFAIK, Israel is the only country with strong US ties, that doesn't have US soldiers walking all over the place. Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear facility in 1981, against American and Global Opinion. Israel went into Lebanon, against American wishes. Israel only stayed out of the First Gulf War, because the US provided Patriots to protect Israel against the Scuds, and because the Scuds never did any serious human casualties.
Your country might be led around the nose. Israel isn't. The Jews are not like the Americans. They are tenacious, to an unbelievable degree.
Israeli Jews gave away Sinai to Egypt because they believed that Egypt would honour its peace treaty with Israel, where the return of the Sinai was part of the treaty. Guess what? It worked.
Israeli Jews have guaranteed the West Bank and the Gaza Strip to the Palestinians if they would only show a lasting peace. All they have to do to get the West Bank and the Gaza Strip to be fully theirs and keep it, is to stop suicide bombs and terrorist missions for 5-10 years at most. If the Palestinian people had ANY sense at all, they would stop all suicide bombs and terrorist missions for 10 years, and THEN start attacking Israel. But they don't stop, even though it is part of the roadmap that their elected representatives signed, that without such a peace, the roadmap cannot continue. So in whose interest is it for these suicide bombs to continue?
Is it in Israeli interests?
Tourism is one of Israel's biggest industries. Yet it took a nosedive thanks to these suicide bombs, and hasn't recovered, and won't until they stop. So Israel is losing tens of millions or more thanks to a lack of peace.
Israel has to spend a much bigger amount of money on military protection right through the whole country because of these attacks, so Israel is losing even more millions or tens of millions or more thanks to a lack of peace.
Israel loses women, children, in suicide bombs. One couple were bombed on their wedding day.
It isn't in Israel's interest to prolong these attacks at all.
Is it in Palestinian interests?
The West Bank is a place full of Biblical sites. It would be a virtual Mecca for religious tourists, if there was peace. So they would make a fortune off tourism.
If there was peace, the Israelis wouldn't keep knocking down buildings, so they would have a proper infrastructure.
There would be no more people dying as suicide bombs, or as a result of Palestinian-Israeli face-offs, irrespective of whoever shot them.
It isn't in the Palestinians' interest to prolong these attacks at all.
The ONLY people who gain in this, are people who gain when both sides suffer. So I ask you, who would gain if both Israel and the Palestinians were at each other's throats?
Bush will not talk to Carter about HAMAS because the neocons will not let him. Don't forget that it is AIPAC that is the most strident in calls for war in the middle east. AIPAC describes itself as "America's Pro-Israel Lobby". Yet when it also lobbies for actions against Iran, Libya, and Syria, I have to question if it is really Israel's voice in American politics, and a fund-raiser for Israel, or if it represents anti-Islamic sentiment in the US, that have banded together around a core of people who are just trying to make sure that Israel isn't wiped out by Islamic extremists.
are you locked in a time warp? Your comments about quebec are dated Fair enough. The RCMP said they would attack Montreal between 15 Feb-15 Mar 2007, last year. But nothing happened. However, I still don't see why Quebec doesn't go back to the French, just like the West Bank and the Gaza Strip to the Palestinians.
Start asking smart questions about all of this. Because I am asking lots of questions, and the answers are not ones that I like, that the Palestinians are being rail-roaded into a war by their own people, or the people of their own religion.
It would be a LOT easier for me to blame the Israeli government, because I was never their fan, and they did a lot to hurt my family, and many of my ethnic minority within Israel. So I would like to blame them if I could. But the points you make, only make sense if it's some of the Palestinian side who are causing the problems. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 9:37:44 AM | | Sorry,,didnt mean to hijack the thread, i am new to these forums and found the anti Israeli rhetoric a big harsh...but this was the wrong place to post it....my apologies.. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 2:16:06 PM | | Read message #31 by eric.I am biased, but we see it as truthful. Post here are really an exchange of ignorance, because no one knows the dealings or not of the two parties. As i see it, there has to be a will to solve this problem Jimmy carter is not the answer.Just listen to him..You have to deal from a position of strength not weakness palestinians dont have that strength the rebel rousing by hamas is not the answer.The palestinians have alot of worthy people who can negotiate with Israel.but they wont come to the forefront for fear of getting a well placed bullet.I am afraid there will be no peace in our lifetime.Not a long lasting peace | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 3:43:11 PM |
Christians.The ill- gotten gains of the Israeli's were won in three wars that were started by Egypt, Syria,Jordan,Iraq,and Saudi Arabia,All countries that don't mind seeing 747's fly into American buildings.Read a little history before you open your mouth and show how truly ignorant you are.
I glad you bought up "true ignorance"....Maybe try taking a bit of your own advice & discover who actually fired the first shots in '67.... | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 6:43:21 PM | | I am glad you brought that up.Try taking a bit of your own ignorance and find out who moved their army first.There was a reason for the first shot. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 12:58:04 AM |
Fair enough. The RCMP said they would attack Montreal between 15 Feb-15 Mar 2007, last year. But nothing happened. However, I still don't see why Quebec doesn't go back to the French, just like the West Bank and the Gaza Strip to the Palestinians.
Well for one the majority of French don't want to seperate. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 6:44:22 AM |
I am glad you brought that up.Try taking a bit of your own ignorance and find out who moved their army first.There was a reason for the first shot.
Ah,you mean just like the way Poland also massed troops on the German/Poland border in '39?
All the books I have about the '67 war were written by guys who were serving in the IDF at the time. If the Israeli military are willing to claim they shot first & were the aggressor who am I to argue? | |
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Posted: 4/16/2008 6:38:11 AM | Delete due to formatting errors.
I tried to correct a few words in edit and and all quoting disappeared.
Sorry, I will try again. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2008 7:30:26 AM |
The palestinians have alot of worthy people who can negotiate with Israel but they won't come to the forefront for fear of getting a well placed bullet.I am afraid there will be no peace in our lifetime.Not a long lasting peace .
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:01:40 AM | Here's the latest salvo fired in this issue that comes via a Fox News interview with North Carolina Congresswoman Sue Myrick calling for the State Dept. to revoke the ex-presidents passport and to deny any federal funds going to his personal security, while earlier Rep. Joe Knollenberg, R-Mich., said Wednesday that Congress should block federal funding of the Carter Center because his plans to meet with Hamas' top leader, Khaled Mashaal.
(Washington, D.C.) – Today, Rep. Sue Myrick (NC-9) called on Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to revoke former President Jimmy Carter’s passport. This is in response to the former President traveling to Syria to meet with Hamas, an organization officially designated by the United States as a Foreign Terrorist Organization.
“Former President Carter has acted in contradiction of international agreements to isolate Hamas. He has acted in defiance of both United States policy and international policy. His actions reward terrorists, lend support, and provide legitimacy to their belief that violence will eventually get them what they want,” said Rep. Myrick.
After Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections the Quartet (US, UN, EU and Russia) called on Hamas to renounce terror, recognize Israel and recognize the previous agreements between the Palestinian Authority and Israel as they seek an agreement to make peace. Hamas has categorically rejected these three conditions for more than two years.
Congress granted the Secretary of State the power to grant and verify passports. In 1981, the United States Supreme Court held in the case of Haig v. Agee that the Secretary of State has the implied power to revoke passports as well (453 U.S. 280).
http://www.house.gov/list/press/nc09_myrick/041608carterpassport.html
The Fox interview here: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/GOP_Rep._calls_to_revoke_Carters_0417.html
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Posted: 4/19/2008 7:51:43 AM | Typical.
At his age, I think it's outstanding that he's standing up not only for himself but for what he believes, what he knows , to be right and fair. One of the main selling points of current candidate Senator Obama , for me, (besides his having been against the Iraq invasion / occupation from before it started -- unlike Clinton) is his frequent statements to the effect that the US cannot continue to go down the path of unilateralism and arrogance and refusing to speak to anyone its gov't officially doesn't like. Where can anyone ever hope to get, beyond another "cold war"-type of situation, w/out any real attempt at dialogue and hearing & trying to understand BOTH sides of the story, as opposed to solely being willing to listen to and sympathize with the Israeli Jewish side of the story. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 10:56:18 AM | I dont think you can demonize groups like Hamas and simply call them terrorists and murderers. No doubt they have done those things, but so hasn't Israel murdered and terrorized Palestinians.
Different methods, different ideologies, that's all.
To demonize means you want endless conflict because there is no solution. To talk and maybe negotiate means you want a path to some resolution and peace.
Who benefits from endless conflict? Lots of people........ | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 2:40:55 AM | I don't know what Carter thinks he's going to do. He can sure try though.
Hamas' stated goal is the DESTRUCTION of Israel...er... Zionist Entity. They won't even call Israel by it's name let alone acknowledge it's existence. Now how in the world can you negotiate with a government that you don't believe exists in the first place??
Hamas does not want a two state solution.It's founder had stated, "We chose this road, and will end with martyrdom or victory". That stuff is kinda hard to work around.
Hamas was originally a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, negotiate? Ummmm, ok Carter, go for it dude. I sure won't be holding my breath.
Of course them Jewz did kill poor Farfur... | |
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