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Posted: 4/20/2008 3:58:30 AM | i am a part jew there must be away forward to peace but the state of isreal must be recoinised and so must palastine the way i see it i think it to put all cards on the table talk not war tothe one above the golan hieghts are run by both eygpt and isreal and i bet your in league of what we call in britain N F the wars was not started by the jews mate esp 4 day war was started by eygpt and others but now i have only one thing moret to say give peace a chance yes i am part jew but religion cause more wars then anything elsei would ban religion from polatics what did jesus say render on to ceaser
whats belengs to him and give to god whats his and one more thing before i go to all who have my scroll
salome may your god go with you my brothers and sister`s unite
in the struggle of peace but you cant talk to the talaban or bin larden they rule by bombing and killing even the arabs hate him | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 10:54:28 AM | QUOTE: i am a part jew there must be away forward to peace but the state of isreal must be recoinised and so must palastine the way i see it i think it to put all cards on the table talk not war
>>> Well put, and agreed. Hopefully many mainstream Israeli Jews (and to a lesser extent American Jews as well) will see that the best and only true way forward is open dialogue and real attempts by both sides of trying to truly understand the other's position and the other's feelings. I think that's largely what Carter's hoping to open up. The current "W" Bush administration hasn't done anything to remotely further dialogue, and instead favors the old "cold war" approach basically. And the result of that approach; nothing. The gaping wound in the Middle East just continues to fester. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 7:43:34 PM | Well said.Al Israelis are willing to negotiate and move forward at any time. However, they (rightfully so ) will not negotiate with known murders or anyone who wants them shoved into the sea.As i wrote before, there are many palestinians who are more then capable of negotiations, however(rightfully so) they (like many who are) are not martyrs and will not be a victim.Israel cannot truly move forward with rockets and suicide bombers attacking their civilians
Whether its Carter or anyone else, lets make sure one member is not calling for the destruction of the other side. Then lets negotiate, and move forward. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 9:33:41 PM | You three seem to be playing the "israel is victim" card when in fact that artifial state was developed through murder by known murders.
While it is likely true that President Carters' attempts for peace, and justice for the Palestinians will come to naught. His failure will not be because HAMAS is somehow irrational. The reason will be the zionists do not want to give up their ill-gotten territorial gains. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 9:59:00 PM | ^^^ whiskeypapa, I don't feel the Israelis are the "victims", really, if you re-read my previous posts here (not sure who you were addressing exactly). If anything I feel it's vice-versa. The Palestinians have suffered much much more than the Israelis have, that's for certain. And you're correct that the forces of Zionism will not give up their territorial gains easily. However at the same time, at the end of the day, I think they have to realize certain things on both sides, and not just for polite chit-chat purposes in front of the US or the UN. They have to realize and really internally accept such realities, on both sides.
For instance the Palis / the "Muslim street" have to realize that there IS going to remain an Israel, and militants are not going to ever just be left free to attack civilian noncombatants there for example, without risking serious reprisals. And the Israelis & Zionists have to realize that their boundaries are likely going to have to change (probably back to pre-67 , basically), and Israel may have to give on certain other issues as well such as even perhaps giving E.Jerusalem as the capital for the potential future nation of Palestine. But there WILL still be a secure and stable Israel there; that's something that many of the Palestinians , Hamas or not, have to realize and accept.
If necessary the US could even position its own troops in between the two of them for a time, until they get settled in their new situation(s). The US has certainly done this type of "police work" before, and the US is the only country (let's face it) which truly has the ability to apply the necessary pressure on Israel to basically make them comply. But getting this thing worked out once and for all , justly and equitably, and with as little bloodshed as possible, is most definitely in the US's best long-term strategic interests. THAT would be a key element in fighting any long-term "war against terrorism". See how much all of the rage and hatred against the US would go down, along with all of the vehement anti-Jewish sentiment amongst the Muslims (and some non-Muslims as well), once this issue is put to rest. If the US gov't had put as much serious effort into this as they have over the past 5 yrs in Iraq, this issue would likely be getting much closer to being resolved by now. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 11:21:17 PM | xNEROx,
Certainly the US is the key player. But with the neocons controlling this administration and AIPAC controlling the congress ;peace, and justice for the Palestinians seems only a wish and an unattainable goal.
As a little side note, muslims are not anti-jewish they are specifically anti-zionist and they make that plain in all their communiques. It is the CAMERA castrated media that always converts zionist to jewish, thus deflecting the guilt to the innocent. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2008 12:32:58 AM | I'd like to point out that there are some pretty questionable calls about who the US puts on their list of terrorist organizations.
South Africa anyone? | |
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Posted: 4/21/2008 7:52:32 AM | | ^^^true. The gov't here tends to put basically any group who seriously adheres to any political philosophy they don't like on the "terror watchlist" nowadays, basically exploiting the increased value placed on "lists" such as this post-9/11, IMO. Crude, but it can be effective; after all Concentration Camp "X-Ray" down in Cuba is still in full operation, and anyone branded a "known member" of an "officially designated terrorist organization" , whether it's alQaeda or ELF, could (technically I suppose) all risk being sent there or someplace like it. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2008 10:08:10 AM | Just so I might be on record regarding all this: the questions, the mythological history of the conflict, Zionism, terrorism, the possible remedies, the Two State Solution, and the Carter visit; I guess it should be noted that I do not hold out much hope that a Two State Solution will be enacted, and further even if it did, it would not be a viable Sovereign State in regard to how such a designation is normally understood, and would therefore only prolong the enmity between Jews and Palestinians.
What I am in favor of is that all inhabitants be granted equal protections and political rights under the law within a single State, aka as the Single State Solution.
To do so would, of course, require a challenge of the racialist concept of Israel's mono-ethnic-tribal charter, and a transformation of its current governance.
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Posted: 4/21/2008 10:27:58 AM | QUOTE: I do not hold out much hope that a Two State Solution will be enacted, and further even if it did, it would not be a viable Sovereign State in regard to how such a designation is normally understood, and would therefore only prolong the enmity between Jews and Palestinians.
^^^^ Interesting thought. I hadn't really thought of things from that exact perspective before. Do you think there's a chance that Israeli Right extremist types may begin an all-too-familiar terrorist-type campaign (a reverse intifada of sorts) against any potential fledgling Palestinian state? Personally I don't think that is all that far-fetched. The Jewish Irgun Gang did blow up the King David hotel back before Israel's inception in order to "scare the British out" of the region. It's hardly unthinkable that some elements on the Jewish side would react just about as vehemently to any officially recognized Palestine as some elements on the Arab side reacted to the fledgling Jewish state (and still are "reacting" to it).
In some sense I still can't fathom how they (primarily I mean the British power brokers who really were responsible for it in the first place) ever allowed this to happen, really. It would be like moving a few large canines into a primarily feline-only shelter and then just expecting they'd all suddenly socialize perfectly well.
And, I hate to admit this but , a small part of me really even begrudges Israel & Israeli policies all the more for (albeit indirectly of course) at least helping to "cause", in a sense, 9/11, and all of this other .... ongoing acrimony between "the West" and Islam. Sorry for stating that openly, it's just something I've felt for a long time now. Here we have billions of people ("the West") who are winding up in a roughly nose-to-nose confrontational type of position with over a billion other people (Islam) and it always boils down to (one of the primary grievances) an archaic and , I'm sorry, but long long-troublesome several million (remaining) people. Granted they can't just be "discarded" and I realize how essential they feel Israel to be for themselves, but....I'm just saying... it's just not fair the preferential treatment they've gotten over the years, especially from the US.
Someone from France , some diplomat I think, I'm not sure who (sorry) , once stated something to the effect that the modern nation-state of Israel was like a dagger (it is indeed shaped like one if you look at it) through the heart of the Middle East and has created a festering wound that may never heal. All things considered I'm not entirely sure I disagree much at all with that sentiment. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2008 12:29:37 PM |
Do you think there's a chance that Israeli Right extremist types may begin an all-too-familiar terrorist-type campaign (a reverse intifada of sorts) against any potential fledgling Palestinian state?
It's not really a question, but a demonstrable fact that the Israeli Right has worked to impede resolution to the underlying problem, in all its methods and actions, it has worked tirelessly to exacerbate the tensions and prolong the problem, because at bottom of it, they have the cynical belief that within chaos lies opportunity for further territorial gains, and the possible ethnic cleansing of ALL Arabs from the land, both within the 'disputed teritories' and of Israel's Arab community itself.
Zionism itself requires a belief in enmity, it's encoded within its DNA; when things get too peaceful, or prospects appear to favor dialogue, the Israeli Right subverts any such climate for reconscilliation be allowed to germinate, in inumerable ways.
And, I hate to admit this but , a small part of me really even begrudges Israel & Israeli policies all the more for (albeit indirectly of course) at least helping to "cause", in a sense, 9/11, and all of this other .... ongoing acrimony between "the West" and Islam.
I understand perfectly well, exactly what you refer to, both in terms of feeling a righteous anger for extending the infliction of what is really a local conflict onto the international stage; and the attendant squeamishness of this realization that indicts not just Zionism or the Israeli Right, but international Jewry itself, in the support and maintenance of it.
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Posted: 4/21/2008 4:14:27 PM | This in today;
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_re_mi_ea/carter_israel;_ylt=AqZ.8AbSWZs37NPq08zJZUkUewgF
Carter says the Hamas are quite content with coexistance. But on that same day 4 rockets hit Israel and wounded a 4 year old kid just out playing. hmmmm....
Hamas just doesnt seem to be in control of their own forces methinks. Overall, Carter has to talk to them. Ignoring them doesnt work. Listening is an oft under valued skill.
After seeing what went down. ..i give Kudos to Carter.
I dont think we can expect Hamas or Israel to be 100 per cent conciliatory, given the mutual horrors they inflict on each other daily.
I love this statement above; "real attempts by both sides of trying to truly understand the other's position and the other's feelings. "
Yes, bingo! To comprehend each others narratives.
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Posted: 4/21/2008 7:47:37 PM | Get over it.The idea that Israel took land from the palestineans.We took land from the indians. The idea is peace, and for the region to move forward.We all have to eat, we all have to live.How do we do that is the question at hand.
For years (its not politically correct) the arab leadership watched its people live in poverty and mere existence.When the arab population showed its displeasure by some sort of an uprising, it was easy for the arab leadership to point to israel and say and imply that the reason you dont have anything is because of them.Let there be no mistake, if the israelis would not move in 1948 the land would still inhabit roaming sheep and run by syria. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2008 10:32:37 PM | tableguy, before the advent of the zionists Palestine was a well developed nation politically, economically, socially and culturally. It had cities, towns and villages, a government, a legal system, schools and a banking system. Its agriculture and fishing was well developed as was its' small industries.
The first thing the zionists did in their process of ethnic cleansing was destroy the town halls and all the records so that in the future the Palestinians would have no way to prove ownership.
For you to continue with the zionist falsehood that the Palestinians were nomadic shepherds with no government serves no purpose but to mislead this discussion. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 5:06:13 AM | The problems of that region are quite complicated. Hamas has engaged in terrorism, of course, and we know that, but there are those who would state that Arik Sharon who was a prime minister engaged in all kinds of atrocities in his career, but he was received quite fondly by American politicians. It seems like it depends on who is doing the killing. I do think Hamas has created a lot of the problems that Gazans find themselves in, but Bush should have known better than to push for new elections among the Palestinians after the Palestinians had a much weaker PLO politically and militarily after the many incursions by the IDF, so, naturally, the Palestinians chose Hamas, because the PLO didn't deliver in their eyes, they were tired of the financial corruption. The PLO never really recovered from the many attacks by the IDF and the PLO, officially being the party of peace, lost ground to Hamas. The Israelis and Palestinians are responsible for the mess they are in, and they have to find the way to peace, but Hamas's talk about some temporary peace and not trying to have some international Palestinian referendum are non-starters.
There should be new Palestinian elections, and Hamas needs to accept that that is what the Palestinians wanted before they launched their coup d'etat. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 7:33:54 AM | | Whiaky.You must be dreaming.The only law and govnt is a gun. I lived in the area in the 50's.My friend, either you are reading falsehoods or your name says it all. and if it wasnt for zionism there would be no Israel and no land for the jewish people...They would have to indure anti semitism with no voice and no land of their own.AND again i reiterate if there is no israel there is sheep,a mere existence and perhaps the arab brethern fighting each other, because their is no one to blame for economic and civil failure. Now lets move on and let the educated negotiate. not the gun, women and chidren | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 8:56:08 AM | QUOTE: The problems of that region are quite complicated. Hamas has engaged in terrorism, of course, and we know that, but there are those who would state that Arik Sharon who was a prime minister engaged in all kinds of atrocities in his career, but he was received quite fondly by American politicians. It seems like it depends on who is doing the killing. I do think Hamas has created a lot of the problems that Gazans find themselves in, but Bush should have known better than to push for new elections among the Palestinians after the Palestinians had a much weaker PLO politically and militarily after the many incursions by the IDF, so, naturally, the Palestinians chose Hamas, because the PLO didn't deliver in their eyes, they were tired of the financial corruption.
^^^^ Well put. I agree w/this part of your post. The American gov't gladly engaged with and was hand-shaking back-slapping allies with Sharon the "Butcher of Beirut" (google Sabra and Shatila), but a likewise democratically-elected HAMAS are a bunch of untouchable pariahs who will not ever be acknowledged by the US gov't --- when all the while at the very same time they keep blowing their horns about "spreading democracy" in the region.
It seems that in reality it would be more accurate for the US to say, "We are spreading democracy in the Middle East -- Just so that we approve of who they elect". If we don't approve of who they elect, we'll either see to it that their chosen gov't is a total outcast & failure on a global & economic scale, or perhaps have the CIA help to orchestrate an overthrow (and replace the elected gov't with an authoritarian -- but US friendly -- dictator or junta), OR possibly even push for an actual overt "regime change" in some cases (as seen in Iraq).
If I'm an American and I can see this blatant glaring hypocrisy, how obvious (and persistently infuriating) must it then appear to an impoverished un-(or under)-employed Arab living under a corrupt and brutal regime which he knows full well is an ally of and is supported by the United States --- who are the self proclaimed "bringers of freedom" to the region ?? And then how do disgusting examples such as Abu Ghraib and (whatever the hell exactly goes on in) the camp at Guantanamo Bay jibe with all of America's other self-proclaimed ideals ?? If you put yourself in these other people's shoes for awhile , and you know damn well that America wouldn't allow Americans (non-Muslim Americans at least) to be treated like this, and wouldn't stand by and allow Jews to be treated the way Palestinians are treated by Israeli Jews and the IDF, then it quickly appears to you that America's supposed ideals are a near-total house of cards filled with gaping holes and glaring hypocrisies.
Consequently you start to feel , understandably IMO, that you and your life and your family and your hardships are really basically worth a sh!t to the average joe-blow American who doesn't even know where you're at on a map and simply cannot bring himself to empathize very much at all with you really, either because you look so "different", or your culture is so different, or simply because you adhere to the same religion as those 9/11 hijackers. And it's not solely disgruntled Arabs or Muslims who feel such sentiments either. There are a good lot of other people in the world, from Canada and central or south America, through Europe, all the way to the Far East , hell even IN America as well, who feel this way too. The American Right-wing type of mentality (particularly following 9/11 under this most recent administration) has led at least about "half" of this country into a sort of increasingly isolated, very standoffish, borderline hostile "us against the world" mindset. And one way or the other until the US gov't gets serious about resolving the Palestinian / Israeli issue, there will not be any major true victory in the "war on terror" because you can't treat a systemic infection by merely ignoring one of the root causes of it , popping a couple of aspirin, putting a band-aid on, and just hoping it goes away. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 9:08:46 AM | bottom line
who gives back land they out and out won....which country has it ever been "demanded" that they do so.... | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 9:16:47 AM |
If it wasnt for zionism there would be no Israel and no land for the jewish people. They would have to indure anti semitism with no voice and no land of their own.
No Israel as a country perhaps, but Jews seem to be doing quite well, in all regards to quality of life, wherever else they find themselves ... actually much better than the average citizen of the country's they choose to live in. Jews as a group are generally regarded (almost anywhere), as an *advantaged* and privileged minority, that is quite adapt at advocating their own interests and having their 'voices' heard.
Regarding Jews not having land? Preposterous, in terms of actual property and real estate held by Jews the world over. Unlike Israel itself, that actually has legal mechanisms that deny and subvert Arab ownership of land, there are no similar mechanisms throughout the world that restrict Jewish ownership in the countries wherein they have citizenship status or reside.
i reiterate if there is no israel there is sheep,a mere existence and perhaps the arab brethern fighting each other, because their is no one to blame for economic and civil failure.
I suppose that it is just a well known fact that Palestinians, and Arabs in general, are an inferior species that lack the intelligence and industriousness of Jews?
Do you realize that your words reveal a stunning ignorance to any truth, and display a flat out, rank, and blatant racism?
Which is it that your superior intellect does not get; that these are indeed racist statements, or that you just don't give a damn that they are?
No one is to blame for economic and civic failure when you're living under a ruthless military occupation and subjected to political subversion, economic blockade, and material siege?
Get Real. 
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Posted: 4/22/2008 9:22:10 AM | QUOTE: bottom line
who gives back land they out and out won....which country has it ever been "demanded" that they do so....
>>>> Germany........ ironically. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 3:49:03 PM | I suggest that you get real.All the jews in israel, alot were subject to anti semitic remarks.They left for Israel who welcomed them(GET REAL) All the support the jewish state gets from all over the world because jews like most have a place to go if they wish.Jews had land in germany ,poland etc.We know what happened, dont we (GET REAL)Speaking of racism dont your words smack of arrogance and a camouflage of anti semitism.
No one is to blame for economic and civic failure of the Palestinian especially if he chooses hamas and the PLO as their leaders. No ones to blame when hatred is thought and perpetuated throughout. No ones to blame when an 18 yr old israeli soldier is confronted by a woman or child and he has to determine if there is a cry for help or they are suicide bombers.No ones to blame for terrorist firing rockets from schools hospitals and hiding in refugee camps..You are right no ones to blame. By the way i detect a bit of jealousy | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 5:46:22 PM | tableguy, before the advent of the zionists Palestine was a well developed nation politically
That's odd, I never knew there was a Palestinian nation. When exactly was that?
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Posted: 4/22/2008 9:28:45 PM | Its interesting how you call Ariel Sharon the "Butcher of Beirut"Where by the Lebanese (christians) went into the refugee camps of sabrah and shatila and committed the killings you are talking about.This was at at time where christians were killed during a civil war.TOUGH people were a creation of the israeli military after having to defend there borders (now listen to this ) from syria, egypt, lebanon, jordan, palestineans.These countries were funded and aided by morocco, libya(that beauty qadhafi) Tunisia, sauidi arabia iraq, iran ,kuwait, yemen.and some that i have missed( i apologize)The pop. of israel at that time was 2.5 million and 1/3 were palestineans.No wonder the IDF had to be tough and creative. People like Ariel Sharon were a result of attacks by the neighbouring arab states.Now its no wonder people shook his hand.
Now lets look at the leaders of the palestineans. Firstly arafat and the PLO. misappropriated alot of the funds.Both the PLO and hamas use( as i mentioned before )schools, hospitals, and other places where women and children gather. as shields.The israeli doctrine has been an eye for an eye .Knowing that, hamas still fires rockets into israeli civilian areas (kibutz) and hide behind women and children No wonder there are israeli economic reprisals and incursions by the IDF into palestinean territory to quash the rocket fire.Its a vicious circle that has been going on for years. Unless we get some of the brilliant palestinean minds instead of hamas or the PLO to negotiate without the preconceived idea that israel does not exist, we will have no peace.I forgot to mention that the palestineans i mentioned have to be assured that they or a relative will not get a bullet sent there way. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 12:10:08 PM |
No Israel as a country perhaps, but Jews seem to be doing quite well, in all regards to quality of life, wherever else they find themselves ... actually much better than the average citizen of the country's they choose to live in. Jews as a group are generally regarded (almost anywhere), as an *advantaged* and privileged minority, that is quite adapt at advocating their own interests and having their 'voices' heard. There is a Rabbi in the UK who goes around to Fire Stations, Police Stations, and the like, to talk to them about Jews, so they better understand the Jewish perspective. He used to tell the following joke:
Q: Why are Jews so wealthy?
A: Because they don't go to pubs.
The simple facts are that there are a lot of poor Jews, and homeless Jews, but that non-Jews seem to ignore this, that Jews tend to stay in and save their money for Jewish holiday, that Jews value education above most other things and put a lot of their money towards their children's education, generally believe in being law-abiding citizens and all the other things that most people would regard as the behaviour of a reasonably successful member of society. I know plenty of people whose fathers worked long hours as shop assistants, as "schleppers", people who just do all the menial jobs, and all sorts of low-paid work in the East End, and their parents put every penny they had into ensuring their sons and daughters got into universities so they could become doctors, lawyers, accountants, surveyors and any other job that would mean they would be able to have a comfortable life. This is exactly what you see in the families from India and China, who did just that for their children.
In Israel, you have more dentists and accountants per capita than probably almost anywhere else. Back in the 1980s, I went to visit a few kibbutzim, and asked some of the members what was their biggest problem. They said that what they really needed were plumbers, metallurgists and people with skills like that, and what they got was loads of lawyers, doctors, dentists, accountants, and other professionals.
It was this way in school. When I was 15, I heard that only 50% of the population got 3 GCEs. I couldn't beleive it, because in my Jewish school, if you didn't get 3 GCEs, you were considered retarded. Even the current Chief Rabbi of the UK is an example of this, because the University of Cambridge offers the possibility of getting a Double First in your degree, which is much, much, much harder than getting a First, and Cambridge is one of the top universities in the world, and yet I was told that him and his 3 other brothers are the only 4 brothers to all get Double Firsts from Cambridge.
There is a ridiculous number of Jews who've won Nobel prizes, way out of proportion with their population.
I had big problems in school, because I put the right answers, but never put the working out. My teacher said I'd fail if I did this in the exams. However, we really were dirt poor, and I NEVER had pocket money. Yet my mother paid for me to see a private tutor for a year.
You can put it down to whatever reason you want, but at the end of the day, Jews seem to put far more commitment into their education than others.
Regarding Jews not having land? Preposterous, in terms of actual property and real estate held by Jews the world over. Unlike Israel itself, that actually has legal mechanisms that deny and subvert Arab ownership of land, there are no similar mechanisms throughout the world that restrict Jewish ownership in the countries wherein they have citizenship status or reside. Jews have private ownership of land. But privately owned land is still under the direct rule of the state that it resides in, and can be forcibly purchased for as little as 1 cent, at any point in time. So Jews have as much right to land as the Native Americans did. What Jews want is to know that they live in land where another Holocaust cannot happen legally, and since the US Government doesn't have laws against the Holocaust in their constitution, that can never be altered in a thousand years, the only way to ensure such security is for Jews to have land that is governed by themselves. If America wishes to give a state of the US to the Jewish people as an independent state, that will never be re-taken, then that would be an equivalence. But will America ever give up Texas, or Maryland, or Hawaii, or New York? No? Where do you expect Jews to go? The only place left is where many Arab leaders have declared they should go, "into the sea".
I suppose that it is just a well known fact that Palestinians, and Arabs in general, are an inferior species that lack the intelligence and industriousness of Jews? Not at all. It is well-known in the history of the Jews that the peoples of the Middle East and North Africa have made significant contributions to science, medicine, astronomy, literature, poetry, philoosphy, finance and economics, over the past few thousand years. The Library of Alexandria in Egypt was the biggest in the world, and there were many books in it that we don't even have. But this industriousness in any of these fields is just not seen to be prevalent in countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and others. Many Jews don't understand this, because during the last 100 years, Arabs have been sending their kids to study abroad in universities like Oxford and Yale, and they have become professors, often experts in their field. But we just aren't seeing many home-grown Arab Nobel Prize winners.
It makes one wonder if the politics of the region during the last hundred years have been deliberately manipulated to keep the Arabs poor and stupid. It seems to be that European countries and America have taken a great interest in the region during this period, and the Arabs have stayed in very corrupt dictatorships since the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
So I have to ask: if the USA wanted Iraq and Iran to become so self-sufficient, why was the CIA rumoured to be supplying both sides with arms in the Iran-Iraq war, and that rumour was common even while the war was going on?
It makes me wonder if Americans and Europeans are the real enemies of the Palestinians, and are trying to pass the buck, especially since Hitler originally wanted to just deport the Jews, and those countries closed their doors, sealing the fates of 6 million innocent men, women, and children. | |
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