| Mark Speight found dead
Posted: 4/15/2008 11:54:48 AM | mental illness or depression?
Depression can certainly be cured.
Once the chemical inbalance of the brain is put right with the correct medication then the depression will diminish.I would presume that what this poor man was suffering with was severe depression brought on by grief.He was in a place where he thought he could not cope.Its a terrible shame but with the correct treatment/counselling he could have been helped. | |
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| Mark Speight found dead
Posted: 4/15/2008 12:17:18 PM | depression is a mental illness... therefore can be treated, hence the chemical imbalance corrected, not cured.
Treatment, therapy, drugs, counselling all will help to keep the illness under control and managed but never cure it.
It is a shame and sad he didnt seek help, but some are too far into the depression to see another way out other than being free from their own mental torture and unfortunately ending their own lives to be free. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 3:19:10 PM |
Lily you make some very good and valid points that are both thought provoking and worth looking at in depth
Thanks - I like to twist people's melon  
Back to being serious ...
Suicide is totally different in that most cases there wont be a terminal illness that pushed them to take their own life. It will be a mental illness , imbalance of the brain
The mental illness caused them to terminate their life ... therefore it is a terminal illness, simply not a physical one 
that compels them to feel there is no solution to their predicament other than to take their own lives
Exactly, part of the illness is believing there isn't any other solution other than death to alleviate the pain they are in...the pain could be caused by depression, or paranoia that they are under constant persecution/in danger etc - to the point they don't trust medical intervention but neither can face living any longer. It's a living hell - tortured day & night.
The problem with people not being able to relate or empathise to a disordered mind ... is because they try to make sense of it with a 'sane' mind - & without insight. Imagine trying to describe physical pain to someone who doesn't feel any. How? | |
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Posted: 4/16/2008 10:17:05 AM | My words [johnnycomelately1]Taken out of context but still fine to me.
Mental illness can often be cured with time
Pinksparkli
Mental illness can not be cured, just the symptoms treated and controlled
kath111
Depression can certainly be cured.
Once the chemical inbalance of the brain is put right with the correct medication then the depression will diminish.I would presume that what this poor man was suffering with was severe depression brought on by grief.He was in a place where he thought he could not cope.Its a terrible shame but with the correct treatment/counselling he could have been helped
Pinksparkli
depression is a mental illness... therefore can be treated, hence the chemical imbalance corrected, not cured.
Treatment, therapy, drugs, counselling all will help to keep the illness under control and managed but never cure it.
It is a shame and sad he didnt seek help, but some are too far into the depression to see another way out
So your point is what Pinksparkli ? If there was an award for being pedantic then you would win hands down. Were basically agreed that the guys problems that led him to take his own life were preventable. Whether you want to call it treated succesfully or cured is of little or no impotrtance in the immediate future. The point being he would still be here alive if he received the treatment .
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Posted: 4/16/2008 11:43:03 AM | I'm not sure how the issue of drugs has entered into the discussion.
Well, call it a rough guess, but it was probably something to do with the fact that drugs were responsible for both their deaths?
As far as I can tell, his partner died from a severe scalding
Which she obtained by being off her head on drugs...
and Mark hanged himself, probably because of a broken heart.
Which - by all accounts - he obtained by having supplied his partner with the drugs which brought about her death.
All this talk of "depression" being responsible is just goalpost moving...
As for having no sympathy because they can afford their addiction, WTF!!
the presence of a healthy bank balance makes you a worse addict than the guy on the council estate stealing from his neighbours to fund his habit just baffles me.
Nice misinterpretation... I have no sympathy for either variant of junkie. I said that a 'celebrity' who pills his head off for recreational kicks whilst at the same time masquerading as a role model for kids should have particular contempt headed his way. I do understand that people have different interpretations of what is and isn't morally acceptable though, that's just not mine.
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Posted: 4/16/2008 12:09:09 PM | Johnny...
Cure and treat are totally different words. One makes something better, the other gets rid permantly.
I was asked (i presume ,as it was under my post) if I ment mental illness or depression, to which I answered.. depression is a mental illness. Nothing pedantic about that all.
And yes , your right had he got help which i also said he may be alive now...so the problem is what with my post ?
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Actually, I can see what you mean in total relation to this tread, however, thats not an apology as mh is being discussed , not just by me. | |
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Posted: 4/17/2008 8:43:53 AM | What I'd like to know is does everone who works in the entertainment field have or need to do hard drugs...should childrens presenters be regularly screened, or any presenters for that matter.....
Too advanced in age to know who he was,(wouldnt of watched or known of him) though the suffering is with the relatives that couldnt save their children from (what increasingly seems) a drug ruled world. | |
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Posted: 4/17/2008 12:09:47 PM | | from what i have read regardless of depression he was a drug addict i cant say i have alot of sympathy | |
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Posted: 4/17/2008 12:11:52 PM | this thread has been running for wat seems like agessssss..
i bet the fella wasnt this popular wen he was alive.....
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Posted: 4/17/2008 1:44:10 PM |
I don't care if Mark had a drug problem or not. I don't think it matters, the fact is that this man lost the love of his life and simply could not go on living without her.
Couldn't agree more.
He may have killed himself but really it was the sheer grief that killed him. Anyone who has lost a partner or witnessed someone losing a partner knows of the hellish pain that they go through and the damage it does to them. No one is in a position to judge, walk in another mans shoes and all that... | |
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Posted: 4/17/2008 10:58:48 PM | Cure and treat are totally different words. One makes something better, the other gets rid permantly .
lost for words: [brb ] 10 minutes later, Johnny returns & is able to continue
Miss Pedantic/ Condescending/ Patronising /.....
I think you may overestimate your own intellect and ability to comprehend. But you definitely underestimate mine !
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I was taught : if you have nothing nice to say- say nothing. On that note I'll conclude my post   | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 10:08:12 AM | | she was on charlie he was on charlie she died he got found out polcebanged him up bbc sacked him he topped his self i feel sorry for all of the people involved his career was finished he couldnt handle it cocaine ruined both there lives | |
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| Mark Speight found dead
Posted: 4/19/2008 11:39:59 AM | A speight of cases where we as the public empathise over drug users,
yet again-they should be scalded for what they've done..
And empathised over the fact that they bought themselves a death sentence.
(contradictory-yes thats morals and empathy rolled into one) | |
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