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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:34:16 PM |
So after reading several of the previous posts here is what I understand to be the problem. Mostly it seems to be Bush's fault.
Monsanto and their ilk actually...regardless of who appears to be in power...
Mother nature just needs to thin out the population
and starvation is as good a means as any!
Mother nature isn't doing it....Kissinger's plan is right on track...
Lower expectations of supply = rising cost of supply = lack of affordability for the vast majority of the worlds population = death = permitting a concentration of control of supply = profit.... | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:50:16 PM | Arrogance come to mind.
The thing to try to do is redirect our everyday lives in a way that transitions us from dependence on the issues.
Learn how to grow a small garden, think about not being so quick to use the air-heat-lights. Try to carpool and even make grocery store runs with a neighbor. Until we learn to do more for ourselves we will pay dearly for our dependence on others.
I saw the signs years ago and started changing mu basic for of thought. Instead of looking to see how I waould be able to "keep up" I started looking for " the new approach". I found a job closer to home, use less electricity, waste not want not.
I know some can not allow many changes, but, we need to start now downsizing in terms of what we "think it means" to be sucessful. | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/14/2008 3:02:14 PM | Steven, here's my understanding (opinion). What does it portend? A One World Government run by a buch of genicidal "eugenics" freeks with lots of money (the ruling elite). What is happening with the "false flag wars" and our economy has been quite intelligently schemed by master decievers and deseigners who know the power and value of "social engineering" and have done an incredible job implementing it.
Why is it happening? Because evil abounds. Satans legions are amongst the most intelligent beings on the planet, and they're working doubletime because they know their alotted time is nearing an end. The tree is known by it's fruits, just google any politician to see what fruits they bear, any rich person, any powerful leader. They're basically all in cahoots.
It may be well to hide away some food and water supplies, these are already starting to be rationed here in the U.S. and it probably will get very ugly in the larger city's in a very short time. I pray that I'm wrong, but if history is any kind of an indicater I'm probably not.
A good word of advice I heard from a retired highly decorated PHX police officer, "If you don't have a sword, go sell your cloak and get one." He was quoting something from the bible with regards to our second amendment right to own and bear arms being slowly and systematically erradicated. This right was intended by the framers to discourage a power drunken government from turning it's legislating power and mighty arsenol against the people - which is what they are doing peacemeal right now. | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/14/2008 11:55:12 PM |
Archer Daniels Midlands‘ ethanol business is down, and its costs are growing. Costs are also squeezing its mainstay corn syrup operations and its oilseeds-processing business. And yet on Tuesday, it released third-quarter results showing profits up by 42 percent and sales up by 64 percent.
That’s because ADM plays both sides of the market. It’s a huge buyer of grains, to be sure. But through its agricultural services unit, it’s also a major player on the supply side. The company operates 350 grain elevators from which it ships grain to itself and other buyers.
ADM’s “global, diversified, fully integrated value chain is an enormous undervalued asset in the current agriculture operating environment,” wrote Morgan Stanley’s Vincent Adams in a report on Monday. The “current agriculture operating environment” is one of volatile, most soaring, grain prices.
“The ADM trading desk played this volatile market like a Stradivarius violin,” wrote the Motley Fool’s Choy Leng Yeong.
Still, Wall Street wasn’t as wowed as you might think. Traders sent the company’s stock a few points lower. That seems to be in part because of the weak ethanol business, and because of ADM’s declaration, during a conference call with analysts, that its plans to build $2.5 billion worth of ethanol plants have faced “substantial” delays due to weather and other problems.
But the company is still banking on ethanol. Pat Woertz, the chairman and chief executive, lashed out during the conference call at the recent backlash against the government’s ethanol policies, which include subsidies, mandated production, and import tariffs. Critics say the government-driven demand for biofuels is helping to drive up the price of food.
Ms. Woertz was having none of it. Higher fuel costs, the falling dollar and rising global demand, she noted, are the chief reasons for the spike in grain prices. And that’s true. But then she went on as if biofuels haven’t also played a big part, without directly mentioning the government largess ADM enjoys.
“I actually find it’s sad and maybe even a little ironic that these misguided attacks on biofuels is directed at the one alternative, we actually have today to transportation fuel,” she said. “Retreat from biofuels is wrong, it’s foolish I think it’s dangerous, it’s a mistake.”
Further, retreating from biofuels (or from subsidies and protectionism, which is really what’s at issue) is an “anti-gesture” that “won’t fill anybody’s stomach and won’t fill any gas tanks.”
Hey Pat....will you profits fill anybody’s stomach?
I think NOT | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:02:41 PM | well, there are a lot of things going on but speaking of corn: did you know that 80% of corn grown in the US is for livestock? because of all us meateaters? Burgers, burgers, everywhere.
Meat is not the greatest protein and its full of fat and cholesterol, antibiotics, God knows what, just a good thing the stuff is cooked through. Vegetable proteins are better for you and not fattening.
If everyone cut out half the meat they ate, which would probably held solve the obesity problem, too, and if we slaughtered half the cows and hogs and chickens we do, and they lead horrible and miserable, short lives as it is ......let's say that would free up half that 80% of corn grown for livestock, which would TRIPLE the corn available for ethanol and for people to consume.
Simple thing........reduce your meat consumption by half, you'll be healthier, less prone to heart disease and stroke, lose weight, have more money ........and free up a whole lot of corn crop for ethanol and food.
Outdoor2: places like Archer Daniels Midland are giant corporations who are vertically integrated........they own seed companies, they own land and have real estate agents, they pretty much own the farmers who were put out of business and now leasing land back under dictates from ADM, they own trucks, plants, supermarkets and probably even marketing firms to sell it all ..... there are probably a handful of companies that supply most of the food now.....I read that either 2 or 4 supply ALL the cereal in the US....
The small and medium-sized farmer has been screwed since the Great Depression, the few that remain have an average age of 60 or so with no one behind them, so the big boys will only get bigger and bigger and bigger.........and they don't lose, my friend.
And what has happened in the US, particularly under Reagan when he went free market and destroyed any protections the average farmer had, they are now doing INTERNATIONALLY to smaller farmers, ranches all over the world. the US isn't enough for them, they want THE WORLD.
Right now, about 200 companies grow, process, districute 80% of all the grains, vegetables, fish, meat, etc. in the world. In 25-50 years, Ill bet that will be less than 50 companies. And having the world by the balls like that, they will own whole governments, too. Gas, you can conserve, ride a bike, take a train, drive less.......but not food. | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:19:18 PM | | Do you remember the phrase George senior coined several years back? New world order??? Back then they talked about bringing all third world countries and their people to the same standard of living.........Did you for one minute think that they were going to bring their standard of living up to ours? When it is so much easier to bring our standard of living down to theirs? It will take a couple generations but they will get it done! I just feel sorry for the grandkids that we are leaving behind that will have to live a substandard life...........nothing like we dreamed for our kids and grandkids! | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:28:04 PM |
If everyone cut out half the meat they ate, which would probably held solve the obesity problem, too, and if we slaughtered half the cows and hogs and chickens we do, and they lead horrible and miserable, short lives as it is ......let's say that would free up half that 80% of corn grown for livestock, which would TRIPLE the corn available for ethanol and for people to consume.
Simple thing........reduce your meat consumption by half, you'll be healthier, less prone to heart disease and stroke, lose weight, have more money ........and free up a whole lot of corn crop for ethanol and food.
1 there is already enough food to feed everyone more than enough daily in the world. greed is the only reason it hasn't happened.
2 yes stop eating cows and that will convince our governments to stop paying farmers to NOT produce more.
3 Corn for ethanol production is a subsidized pipe dream. Corn is a poor source of sugar (which is what ethanol is made from).
4 the increase oil prices are WHY food (and everything else is going up in price faster than normal). The farmer must pay more to produce his quota so he must charge more to realize the same profit. the store must pay higher shipping costs and guess where those increases get passed on to.... That is right the consumer. Tada, elementary school econ 101. | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/16/2008 6:26:46 PM | The original post asked: what does it portend?
Well, I saw an interesting thing happened today. In the past, I've lived in some very poor neighborhoods. Luckily, now I live in a predominately middle-class town. One thing I noticed, when I lived in those poorer neighborhoods, was that the poor were pissed about their situation. I mean, really pissed. Anyone who was not poor, would not of understood how they felt.
Today, in my middle-class neighborhood, I was buying gas. There are four gas pump islands there, side by side, that can service a total of eighteen cars. I bought two gallons of gas for my lawn mower. The guy in that next car saw that and said: "Sh*t, you just spent almost ten f***ing dollars to fill that can." Then he looked at his total to fill his car: Sixty bucks. He went ballistic. As he continued to stand there, raging against the cost of fuel, the cost of food, the cost of everything, the other seven or so customers that were filling up, joined in. These people weren't poor. They had nice cars. But they were pissed; almost like I'd seen every single day, in the poor neighborhoods.
Then some guy drove in with an expensive convertible. It looked like a Mercedes. He didn't pull up to the pumps, but pulled in front of the store, blocking half the cars so no one could pull out. Everyone would have to wait for the rich guy. Someone yelled at him, but the rich guy just blew him off - like the rules didn't apply to the rich - and walk in the store. The man had a daughter. She stayed in the convertible. She was probably about thirteen.
All these guys decided, right then, something needed to be done. What needed to be done, they figured , was to go into the store, drag the rich guy out, and beat him to death. They were going to do it. They all started heading for the store.
Then they saw the little girl in the car.
That stopped them. This time. | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/17/2008 6:47:49 AM | Funny statement.........The farmer must charge more to realize the same profit!!!!!!!
The farmer doesn't have any say in how much he gets for his crop, it is all dictated by market demand and the price he is given by the buyer. It is the middle man that is making all the profit and don't forget that!!! It costs more to put a wrapper on a candy bar than it costs to put the sugar in it.......do we buy it because it is pretty?? I think not! We buy them because they are sweet!!! You know that a pound of sugar is less now than in 1935?????? Go figure!!! | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/17/2008 8:35:15 AM | Let's not kid ourselves when we speak of farmers by thinking of family farms because most have been put out of business and nearly all the farming is done by giant conglomerates. And let's not kid ourselves by thinking a big portion of what we pay retail goes to these farmers for the raw product, only a small portion of the price we pay does. .... just like the gas station owners who only makes a few cents on each $4.00 gallon.
People CAN do something: BUY LOCAL! The milk you buy,most of the time there is a local dairy.............buy their milk! The eggs, the bread ...........support your local chicken farmer and baker ....buy local.
These people are competing with giant conglomerates and losing the battle. All it takes is finding out where things are made, which is local, and going with that brand.
That is one small thing a person can do to try to keep our way of life. the conglomerates mean to OWN the world's food supply, fewer and fewer of them want to own more and more ........ we are lucky that food is not such a big percentage of our expenses in the US, for now..... butyou can bet that people are seeing that there is a lot of wiggle room in that and once they monopolize enough and carve out their territories, that will change........ | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/19/2008 12:24:49 AM |
Good insight into the big picture of things to come as it becomes harder for us to meet basic needs.
Water, food and shelter are basic needs.....gas is a want that turns into a need...
Check out the waiting times at your local bicycle repair shop...your purchase wait times for an electric motor-scooter....look at recent sales of motorcycles....
There is a tipping point and I think we're pretty close and people are looking at the options.
Shorter drives....longer stays....
Opting for paddles and oars....not outboards and fuel...
More gardening...less shopping...
As long as the rage is directed towards each other...the corporate world will keep on fueling the fire.
If there is less of us, then so much easier of them to control what is left ... | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/19/2008 12:40:50 AM | Not sure what the price per bushel for grain is right now.
Growing up on a farm. Remembering how the price per bushel would go up and down each year.
The Price one year could be $2.35 per bushel.
Next year it could be $3.85 per bushel. The price of food goes up.
Year after the price drops to $2.15 per bushel. Have you ever seen the price of food drop? LOL
My dad always thought everones wages (even Union wages) should be tied into the grain market.
If farmers got a 35% raise for thier product. Then everyone wages should go up by 35%. If farmer lost 50% for thier product, everyone should take a 50% pay cut also.
I could never see a wage earner taking a 50% pay cut, or a union. | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/20/2008 8:31:17 AM | http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3139
Greens Will Leave us Cold and Hungry
By Alan Caruba Tuesday, May 20, 2008
There is always a point in time when reality steps up to remind everyone that bad ideas come with a price to pay. The long history of environmental bad ideas are now beginning to cause food riots around the world with its campaign for biofuels and against the energy that powers great economies and feeds the world.
On May 14, Earthworks, one of the many environmental organizations zealously trying to leave America and the rest of the world cold and hungry released the text of a letter its attorney, Bruce Baizel, wrote to Red Cavaney, the president of the American Petroleum Institute.
It called upon API to “stop its multi-million dollar, multi-year self-promotion campaign aimed at polishing its imagine during a time of record high energy prices.” Earthworks told API it should take the money devoted to its PR campaign and invest it in “clean energy alternatives.”
The alternatives are solar and wind energy, industries that exist primarily because of the subsidies granted to it in the form of a hidden tax paid by everyone who is dependent on coal, natural gas, and oil. Take away the subsidies and these alternative forms of energy would fade away, as much for their inability to significantly contribute to the nation’s energy needs, as for the way they requires vast tracks of land to exist. Together, they represent barely one percent of our current energy needs.
Earthworks is about to initiate its own “No Dirty Energy” campaign “to alert the public to the climate, ecosystem and community risks associated with mining and burning the world’s dirtiest fuel sources…”
Labeling coal and oil “dirty” is pure PR and ignores the fact that coal, a cheap and abundant energy sources, provides just over fifty percent of America’s electricity, an energy without which the entire nation would cease to function. It ignores the way the Green’s campaign against oil has for four decades thwarted the right of American’s to access and use its national oil and natural gas reserves yet to be found and extracted from 85% of our coastlines or the well-known fact that billions of barrels of oil remain untapped in ANWR.
Take away these energy sources and you cripple that nation’s agricultural community that requires power to till the land, fertilizers to insure greater crop yield, the ability to feed the livestock to feed a nation, and the means to deliver food from the field to the table.
Even the global warming-obsessed New York Times has recently editorialized in favor of ending subsidies to the ethanol industry, but the real answer is to end the massive biofuel—ethanol—industry that is entirely the creation of a Congress that is just beginning to realize that its massive mandates for this fuel additive is partially to blame for the imbalance in the worldwide agricultural marketplace, affecting grains other than corn.
The American Petroleum Institute is engaged in a costly campaign to educate the public to the role that oil plays in the maintenance of the nation’s economy. The vast majority of the oil in the world is controlled by nations, many of whom would love to see America fail so that they could expand their control over captive populations in Africa, Asia, Russia, and elsewhere.
Only the United States and a few Western, industrialized nations stand against the expansion of communism and militant Islam. Europe is almost entirely dependent on the importation of oil and natural gas. The United States has restricted access to its own reserves of these energy sources. We spend billions of dollars to insure that the sea lanes that deliver these resources to ourselves and the rest of the world remain open. We have invested blood and treasure to liberate Iraq, a nation that sits atop one of the world’s great reserves of oil. We protect Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states from the hegemonic ambitions of Iran.
But Earthworks wants API to be silent about these harsh realities while nations like Venezuela and Russia literally steal the assets and abrogate agreements with the handful of investor-owned oil companies that are capable of exploring and discovering these vital sources of energy.
The Greens who want to reduce the Earth’s population and its consumption of food and energy are silent about the anticipated increase in worldwide population to an estimated eight billion, up from today’s 6.4 billion, by 2050. We will need twice as much food and feed to avoid massive famines that will make today’s food riots seem tame by then. Instead, they insist on turning corn, soy, and other food crops into ethanol. They insist on “clean” energy sources that are totally inadequate to meet our present and future needs.
If we permit Earthworks and the other environmental organizations to succeed, we will be—as we already are—their victims, guaranteed to suffer famines and the loss of the energy we need to be the beacon of freedom to the world. | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/20/2008 9:14:13 AM | ^^^
That's true about greens being silent about population growth...they see it as something that must not be discussed because it isn't politically correct or something....but it is the biggest problem facing humans today.... | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/20/2008 9:59:44 AM | nefarous101 submits another advertisement for drilling in Alaska and his article ties ethanol with the high price of gas AND food AND famine in the future, too! Wow!
All because of those Greenies, those EVIL and WICKED people who want to protect our environment. Those DEVILS!!! | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/20/2008 10:24:57 AM | | Drilling in Alaska and the coast of the 48 would be a good idea. Being Green is a good idea, nothing wrong with it at all. Being radical green isn't...people need power and fuel at a reasonable price. People need food too! Mass suffering in the name of green is a good idea either. Nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal are all good and yes coal, oil and gas too. If human activity is too much for a radical green to endure professional help is available. | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/20/2008 10:25:37 AM | It is true...grain crops are being diverted to bio-fuels...leaving less food. The price of flour and rice has jumped in my area. As had any baked goods...like bread.
Those little packages of rice side dishes have increased a lot too.
The basic staples are being diverted, leaving people hungry. Or paying more money, without them getting an increase to keep them supplied.
Gawd give me a farm....but not one JC himself wouldn't take on! lol! | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/20/2008 10:35:44 AM | Take away these energy sources and you cripple that nation’s agricultural community that requires power to till the land, fertilizers to insure greater crop yield, the ability to feed the livestock to feed a nation, and the means to deliver food from the field to the table.
Or we could return to energy-efficient method of locally-grown, natural food that produces additional jobs as well AND keeps money in your community, rather than enriching the far off owners of the big Mart retail outlets.
Just because the nation's ag community has morphed into a mechanized, petrol-fed monster doesn't mean that we have to keep it that way.
Not only is the food better in every way @ the Farmer's Market...but the people are friendlier too! For those folks tired of hustle-bustle, rude modern shopping that is increasinlgly costly, it's a real breath of fresh air (literally) to meet some great people who love what they raise from the earth.
You'd be amazed at what a real tomato tastes like. Shop local...it's best for you, your family & your community.
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/20/2008 11:29:52 AM | Oil price defies swelling supplies
At least half a million extra barrels of oil are expected to flow to world markets each day in June -- news that so far has done little to bring down prices from record-high levels.
Speculators are artificially keeping the price high.
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousivMolt/idUSL1969141120080519 | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/20/2008 3:19:43 PM | I'm impressed.
People are starting to talk and dissect this enormous issue.
Ever see the movie, with Charlton Heston. The one called 'Soylent Green'. Maybe the scarriest drammatization of what humans and corparations could do. Making green slop the staple food. Rationing to the point of extreme co-depentency. Scooping up the radicals, really they are starving, with a great big truck that keeps on moving forward. In the end, we find that they are farming the humans... for comsumption.
I think I need a  now | |
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| Why Has the Price of Food Shot Up and What Does It Portend?
Posted: 5/20/2008 4:12:11 PM | 80% of corn in the United States goes to feed cattle and chickens. There is hardly a shortage. How about one less hamburger a week?
And what does diverting SOME of the 20% of corn crop that is left to fuel do to account for doubling the cost of rice or the cost of wheat?
Oh, I forgot, you want to say "because of those Greenies and that ethanol, the price of food is higher because there is less corn, supply and demand ....so lets go invade Alaska where there is enough oil for a thousand years!!!" ...........sort of just rolls off the tongue so easily, doesnt it......... kind of like food that's already been chewed for ya, except its thoughts and words shaped for ya. | |
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