| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/17/2008 6:50:34 AM |
They may represent a small minority of uneducated welfare spongers who think that thuggery = power.
I'm educated, have worked most of my life, and I am not a thug so your description of who the BNP represents is wrong. I know of others who are business people, and in high powered jobs and they support the BNP too! | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/17/2008 7:15:08 AM | faithfey
It is great to see sane people making sense in a senseless world. You are well informed loyal to yourself and the society by stating the truth.
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/17/2008 7:29:36 AM | Fortunately the BNP are themselves a minority and are completely unelectable in the eyes of the majority of people.
I'm perfectly happy to listen to their hate filled supporters bang on about how they would change things for the better in their eyes as I'm safe in the knowledge that they'll never get the change to put their ill conceived ideas into practice. After all it can be quite amusing listening to some of their uninformed rants. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/17/2008 7:32:36 AM | faithfey & Brian
It is great to see sane people making sense in a senseless world. You are well informed loyal to yourself and the society by stating the truth.
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/19/2008 2:49:11 AM | the uk would fit into france yes,but hopefully cornwell would go down into it first causing france cronic acid reflux! maybe next turkey will go down the bog of europe as a main course.being greedy they could well consume germany to get drunk,followed by belgium,with all its chocolate.finally with all that greece , france will permanently will become the sick man of europe!
or did i read the OP incorrectly?
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/19/2008 6:41:37 AM | Sharia law...never gonna happen
If it was so great, why is it that the people that want it, are so eager to get away from the countries that practice it? | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 9:49:37 AM | Dont get me wrong, got nothing against people practising or believing what ever, live and let live...
But I draw the line when they try and force it on others... | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/19/2008 10:51:36 AM |
*Does anyone here actually understand what Sharia law is and how it works? And how it would be so radically different from our own system?
Ok, Helio... Shariah Law is the ongoing product of 1400 years of scholarly interpretation of the Qur'an, the sayings of, and the way of life of the Prophet Mohammed.
Shariah literally translates as "Way" or "Path" and means just that to all practicing Muslims...It is the WAY they live their lives.
It regulates all aspects of the private and public lives of Muslims defining individual and collection religious obligations and rituals, day-to-day matters, rights and duties, punishments and boundaries.
About 1/3 of Shariah Law relates to Fiqu-ul-Ibadaat (worshipping) and 2/3rds to Fiqh-ul-Muamlaat (or dealings).
(I hearby apologise to all Muslims because I'm going to simplify this for the hard-of-thinking here!)
Shariah Law basically sets everything into two categories: Halal (permissable) and Haram (forbidden). Most people are aware of this in terms of food - Pork is Haram, non-Pork meat (slaughtered in a certain way) is Halal. But the concepts stretch across everything.
If you bother to investigate and see what is interpreted as Halal and what is interpreted as Haram, you'll see that Shariah Law is exceptionally similar to our own Common Law but with one significant difference. Under Shariah Law you are obliged to be Fair, Open, Honest, Hard Working and Charitable. All of these aspects are written into Shariah.
You can't rip people off, you can't cheat, you can't steal. But you also can't make money from money, you must work for your wealth. Provided you can, you must make a regular charitable contribution of, around 2.5% of your idle wealth every year. This does not go to the mosque (as devout Christians tithe to their church), but straight out to "the needy".
Shariah Law is already practiced by Muslims and non-Muslims in this country. You can buy Halal food, you can have a Shariah compliant bank account or mortgage, you will soon be able to have Shariah compliant insurance. Domestic and contractual disputes between Muslims are more often than not taken to a Shariah Court, which works not that differently than arbitration would, but relieves a huge burden on the court system (and, contrary to what the Daily Mail would have us believe, thieves DO NOT have their hands cut off and women DO NOT get stoned for adultery!).
Shariah Law COULD replace British Law and we would probably all be better off for it, but equally it can work *alongside* British Law and we would definitely be better off for it.
The single most important aspect of Shariah Law is that *first* you must obey the "law of the land", even if it means doing something which is Haram.
So, with the exception of a tiny minority of idiots (but hey we have those on PoF too!) Muslims are, by living under Shariah Law, fairer, harder working, more honest and more generous than the average non-Muslim.
With Muslims among us, the "average" goes up! (and before anyone starts suggesting I'm any form of "God Botherer", no I'm not Muslim, I'm Atheist) | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/19/2008 10:55:19 AM |
As I have mentioned in another post, we are all a child of an immigrant at some point The Romans, The Vikings, The Normans, not one of us can truely say we are anglo-saxon.
Why the need to be Anglo-Saxon? Both those are invading tribes. Why not claim to be English?
Oh, Helio.... I'm Celtic... All you Anglo-Saxons can pi55 off back to where you came from!  | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 11:07:41 AM | Very nicely explained, Dave.
Very good friends of mine are muslim and they are some of the most hard working, generous people I know.
They always have the house full of friends, everybody gets fed and watered (been there at times and there must have been 40 people in the house).
She works two jobs and he is never home before 8 at night. They also throw the best parties I have ever been to.
Truely great people.
back on topic.
It is up to us, if it goes down the pan. Choose to make a difference and act on it. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 11:42:33 AM |
....a Sky News survey found that 55% of people back BNP policies.
Which is fine until you realise that is the same as saying "...a Morning Star survey found that 55% of people back Socialist Workers Party policies."
As for their policies - they're as much bunk as any other political parties policies. And judging by the rate their current elected officials are dropping from councils (through "overwork" and being caught in benefit scams) I doubt they'd ever have the spine to push for any implementation.
That might change, it might not. They won't become much of a political force in the near future though. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 12:00:08 PM |
Well, multiculturalism was forced upon us. None of my family and friends was ever asked by a political party as to whether or not we wanted those from other cultures to flood into this country since the war.
Empire building was forcing our culture on other countries. Those native populations were not asked either.
As for that poll - if it were correct and people were VOTING the same way, BNP would be running the country. But they are not ! | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 12:04:05 PM | I think our countries being going down the pan for decades. It's our own fault because we elect the idiots.
Like the storms we have and all that flooding I read it cost this country over a billion pounds. What an utter waste of money. If anything, they did more harm than good.
Then they keep telling us confusing stuff like we're all obese, eating cr*p and dying of heart disease, then in the next breath they're telling us we are living too long and there'll be no more pension money left for us. I wish they'd make their minds up. And they're a bit mean I read the government says that there are nearly 70,000 people with HIV in Britain, a third of whom do not even know that they have it. Is it just me, or is it a bit harsh that the government know and haven't told the poor sods.
As for the BNP well I think they have a point with all this PC stuff, how come rap artist Dr. Dre can use the 'N' word on his multi-million selling albums and win a MOBO award, yet when I used it at my 7 year old nephews football match I was asked to leave the park?
going down the pan? we're already there. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/19/2008 12:06:44 PM |
going down the pan? we're already there.
Any chance of an answer to the question ?
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/19/2008 12:08:55 PM |
Any chance of an answer to the question ?
Brian, Brian, Brian! You know there's no chance of actually starting a thread that doesn't career off in a completely different direction!
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/19/2008 12:17:56 PM | Any chance of an answer to the question ?
going down the pan? we're already there.
and I'm still here. I think that's an answer.
Come on Brian, you started the topic, keep up! | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 12:28:21 PM | I'd just move to Spain with the rest of the Brits.
The Spanish just can't see the cunning plan......A British invation by the back door 
Oh! Wait, that's what's happening here  | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/20/2008 1:08:05 PM |
Come on Brian, you started the topic, keep up!
Actually you have not answered.
The question included the scenario of IF the UK became a third world country, under sharia law with the natives a minority...........
You may feel its already down the pan but its not exactly third world yet, and the natives are still the majority and we are not yet under sharia law. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/20/2008 1:18:13 PM |
Why would a country which operates a system of sharia law become a 'third world country'?
Why would a country which had changed its ethnicity become a 'third world country'?
I really dont know that either pssibility is linked. And I did not make those claims !!
What I did was take some of the popular claims by certain posts on certain threads and asked what you would do IF they all came true at some point in the future. | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/20/2008 1:35:54 PM | They see the UK as once mighty and being "flooded" with foreigners.
The UK is still seen across the world as mighty (small but mighty). If people from other countries didnt see it as that, why would they come?
They perceive the foreigners / immigrants having more rights than the UK natives.
They quote lack of housing caused by immigration.
And immigration forcing wages to be lower.
They? Who are they? Are 'they' the jobless great unwashed anglo saxons?
IF it did - if you found yourself living in a UK reduced to a third world country under sharia law and you as a native were the minority, with less rights, earning far less than you wanted to - And you saw other countries prospering - would you try to enter the other prosperous country as an illegal immigrant and try to make a better life there or would you stay in the UK no matter what happens ?
Oh My Gawd!
Why would the mighty anglo saxons go and enter other prosperous countries as illegal immigrants when all they do is bleat about all immigrants coming into their mighty anglo saxons land?
Will it be a pay back time?
Try to stick to the question - would you stay in the UK or enter another country illegally.
Why does it have to be 'illegally'?
edit - by "illegally" i mean to live there illegally ( working or claiming benefit or even retiring )
Can you be illegal and claim benefits? | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/20/2008 3:00:31 PM | my 8 year old son (now 13) was taken out of a holiday play scheme that he had been going to for 3 years (so the staff knew him well) because he fought with another boy, that child wasn't white so ste got accused of being racist. they phoned me, so i rushed from work and ste was in hysterics, that other lad was new and allowed to keep playing but ste was waiting at reception for me.
i would love to leave this country, ste now lives with his dad because the secondary school is better where mark lives, less bullying, some groups of children go around in large packs at his old school, it was really upsetting. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 3:03:47 PM |
For the obvious reason : - that we are a soft touch, and that we let any fcuker in!
They come in here because there is loads of work which no fcuker wants to do.
I was referring tho those English people who are educated to a high enough standard (obviously pre-Labour) to know that an influx of immigrants causes a housing shortage (simple maths), and that the minimum wage forces down the cost of labour (wages - simple economic fact).
We have the minimum wage in this mighty anglo saxon country which was made by the government and not by the immigrants.
Housing shortages caused house prices to rise which actually did please many millions of anglo saxons who had already bought houses and considered themselves to have made a killing.
FP
my 8 year old son (now 13) was taken out of a holiday play scheme that he had been going to for 3 years (so the staff knew him well) because he fought with another boy, that child wasn't white so ste got accused of being racist. they phoned me, so i rushed from work and ste was in hysterics, that other lad was new and allowed to keep playing but ste was waiting at reception for me.
The staff knew him well.
Ste obviously was marking his territory. Lol
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Posted: 4/20/2008 3:14:51 PM | | he had been there for 3 years, so yes the staff knew him - because he is a fantastic footballer, looks gorgeus and he is a real star in the making xx | |
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| If the UK really DOES go down the pan.
Posted: 4/20/2008 3:32:08 PM |
would you stay in the UK or enter another country illegally
Already done it. Years ago I worked illegally in Zaire (now the DRC), amongst other places. I can't decide if that means I would jump ship if the UK became a 3rd world country as I have no qualms about bettering myself by working illegally in another country, or if I like 3rd world countries so much I'd be delighted and happy to stay if Britain did become one.
PS I like your Shar'ia explanation Mancdave. It's good to see that not everyone believes the popular media interpretation of it (and where shar'ia is concerned the broadsheets are as bad as the Daily Mail). | |
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