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 Chevelle67

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Posted: 4/18/2008 2:15:33 AM
crash if you do your research, bill ayers blew up a bathroom in the pentagon. Soi to say he did not blow anything up is a lie
 Simlasa

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Posted: 4/18/2008 2:48:53 AM
I don't think he ever did prison time for that though? Did he?
Not that that really matters one way or another... I was just under the impression that he never did time.

EDIT: Answered my own question... he and his wife turned themselves in later on but charges were dropped because of legal technicalities.
 thebasicpagan

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Posted: 4/18/2008 5:06:55 AM
Yeah... who cares.
Barack wasn't even out of grade school when this crap went on.

Bill Ayers was a domesticated terrorist.

So are you saying that Barack Obama is a domestic terrorist because he "knows Bill Ayers" and that he is "by association" affiliated with the acts that Bill Ayers committed... when Barack was still in grade school???

BULLSHIT!!!
--Brandon
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 4/18/2008 5:11:21 AM

Bill Ayers was a domesticated terrorist.


LOL was he was house trained?
 itechman42

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Posted: 4/18/2008 5:18:06 AM
^^^^^^


He went on the paper with extreme prejudice!
 thebasicpagan

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Posted: 4/18/2008 5:19:11 AM
LOL was he was house trained?

Good eye... lol. Still an interesting question though....
Pets:
"dropping bombs" indoors... definitely not domesticated.
"dropping bombs" outdoors... definately domesticated; or otherwise feral.
Terrorists:
"dropping bombs" in one's own country... domestic terrorist.
"dropping bombs" outside one's own country... domesticated terrorist. (((I guess that works)))
--Brandon
 Crash1967

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Posted: 4/18/2008 7:37:41 AM
first chevelle, blowing up a bathroom is much different than how you and geo steph posed this question. It is clearly an attempt to smear and a bad one at that, spawned by sean hannity.

second, as I said, you can find something to say anything if you look hard enough, it doesn't mean it's true. Please post the link to this documentation. What I find is that he went underground after the explosion at a home where members of the WU were making bombs and people died in an explosion.
 nicktomlinrhys

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Posted: 4/18/2008 7:51:03 AM
Posted By: chevelle67 on 4/18/2008 1033 AM
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Message: crash if you do your research, bill ayers blew up a bathroom in the pentagon. Soi to say he did not blow anything up is a lie


maybe his missus told him to use someone elses bathroom as she was sick of the stink he was causing at home and he thought the Pentagon was a good a place as any.....?

Seriously.....Indonesia should not really be an issue here although I don't see that he should use it as his home address .Its a muslim country but a very mild mannered nation despite the Bali incidents.You will get Europeans and Australians living there in large numbers and its not a problem .Singapore is more multi ethnic but Indonesia is not far behind.Both extremely safe places .................maybe thats why he mentions it?

Islam and Christianity are all embracing but you still get differences by race and national origin .So the root of Islam is with the brown /white Caucasians from the arabs to the middle east to India to S Russia and E.Europe .The Indonesians /Malays are closer by culture .

The Africans are further away and later converts in as being further away by culture,geograpghy,race .Sometimes it happens that converts do more to show allegence but I do not believe Obama is muslim although the African nations are later converts and also the more changeable converts .


PS- the American infrastructure and the eastern social structure would not make a bad combination.....................
 Wherefore Art Thou?

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Posted: 4/18/2008 9:03:28 AM
d_lily:
If you are a republican you can not choose a democrat in local voting and visa versa. If you are Independant you can not vote in the primary election. How is that fair to a voter that wants to choose the best choice for her/him and not for a "party" that tells you who you have to vote for?
What? Are you saying that in the general [November] election you can't vote for someone of the opposing party for local office?

That doesn't sound legal. Is that the way Georgia does it? I think I'd have to protest that...
 itechman42

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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:47:24 AM
No Art, certain states I believe do have restrictions based upon whether you are registered a Democrat or a Republican for the primaries. I'm not sure how that works because it's not that way in Illinois. In the GE you can vote for not only whoever is on the ballot, but you can even write in Frank Zappa if you want.
 PocoLoco44

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Posted: 4/18/2008 11:42:35 AM
Mr.Chev,
Not only is it True....but Ayers also is quite proud of it! Right after 911 he bragged about doing it and said "He wish He would have done more" Spitting in the face of Americans is what Obami and his best friends and buddies love to do, after all even his wife spent her life not being proud of her country until Obami Hussein ran for the White House! Even after this country provided her with one of the best educations any where in the world...to funny these two and their friends are a bunch of whinning losers! They bash this country and at the same time milk it for all they can..That's the liberals! US....you owe us everything!

When you just take the simplistics of this Wanna Be President.....
He was raised to not believe in God...hate God Love Allah by his parents
He preacher/mentor says "Not God bless America But G..d..... America!
His wife who says this is a mean country and she's not proud of it!
His buddy Bill Ayers tried blowing up the Government!
His stance on taking out our Missle Defense sytem!
His Stance on cutting our Military buget!
His wanting to raise more taxs
Stop the war with AlQaeda
His financial connections with a Slum Lord/Criminal another one of his friends!
His willful Disrespect to the Military and the Flag they protect with their lives!
His willful lies and deciet of his past!
His lack of being able to handle Tuff Questions without a prompter!
His Racial remarks of Whites!
His hatred for a Country he says he loves!
His Socialist views!
He said "Words Mean Something" but when his own words are turned back at him it's racist or wrong?..lol
He has no experience in business, never ran one! so much for economics!
He has never ran a city state or accompilshed any Managerial Function!
He writes a book about his Radical Muslim Father..."The Dreams of my father" lol
He promises to sit down with The Terrorist...and do what? change their beliefs? They want every one dead who is non Radical Muslim! They even kill Muslims!
He has proven he is not a Uniter..but rather a Divider, that if he doesn't get his way or someone questions Who is the Real Barrok Hussein Obama..he gets mad and crys your picking on me! and his supporters go nuts saying your racist! LMAO....

Yeah were in for a real problem if this idiot happens to win! If he loses to Billary, there will be a back lash felt around the US and it will be turned into a Racial War! That's the Democratic party The Great Uniters....
 Crash1967

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Posted: 4/18/2008 12:10:17 PM
...wow, a "conservative spreading fear? you'd think they would tire of such but I guess the record is skipping......perhaps you would like to remind people that todays terrorist alert color for today is yellow too paco?

....ya'll can't find one credible source and are simply purveying lies, but good job for staying on message......
 PocoLoco44

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Posted: 4/18/2008 12:45:29 PM
Crash.....before you get too excited over you, you may want to know, you don't find the truth because you don't want to believe it...lol It's getting tired? really it's only been days weeks and months, you guys Bash Bush and have for 7 years!

If you can't find any credible source try Moving On beyond Moveon and then you can get a clear picture of Reality rather then just the Sweet Flaming Pink Liberal side of life! Their are no lies in my response I know that and so do you!
 itechman42

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Posted: 4/18/2008 12:50:21 PM
His parents were atheists, which observed neither God nor Allah. His stepdad was non-practicing Muslim which is the same as an infidel to much of Islam.
 Chevelle67

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Posted: 4/18/2008 4:59:38 PM
Brandon.

I am not saying that Obama is a terrorist. I am just saying that he should be careful who he hangs around with and does business with during a Presidential campaign. It is ok for everyone to accuse Bush of high gas prices and he so happens to be friends with the Saudi prince and people associate the two togther but when you associate a democrat with a domestic terrorist oh thats wrong!
 Chevelle67

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Posted: 4/18/2008 5:01:02 PM
crash , go to my second post and there is a search and a web site available for everyone to see
 Chevelle67

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Posted: 4/18/2008 5:05:27 PM
Crash ,

evidently you are not an educated man! you dont have to say it anything it just shows! There are plenty of information. Do you know how to google search the Word Bill Ayers? if you do the information is there for you. If you cant then have your momma help you
 PocoLoco44

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Posted: 4/18/2008 5:12:56 PM
Mr.Itech,
There is allot of information out there that says this or that...it's hard sometimes to determine what is truth and what is fiction?

By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
December 29, 2006
After only being a U.S. Senator for a couple of years, Barak Hussein Obama, Democrat Senator from Chicago, has managed to catapult himself to the status of a messiah in the Democrat Party. The result is that ever since, he's been walking on water toward the White House.

Obama says after his visit with friends and family in Hawaii during the 2006 year-end holidays, he'll announce if he's going to run for president in 2008.

Bets are that he will.

Who is Obama and what has he done?

Independent columnist, Andy Martin (Out2.com) says he believes Obama is a political fraud who "lied to the American people."

Martin says Obama may be a threat to the Jewish community because he is a closet Muslim.

"I feel sad having to expose Barack Obama," says Martin, "but the man is a complete fraud. The truth is going to surprise, and disappoint, and outrage many people who were drawn to him. He has lied to the American people, and he has sought to misrepresent his own heritage.

"Obama's life story is vastly different from the one he portrays. My point: if he will lie about his mother and father, what else is he lying about? Can we expect 'bimbo eruptions?'

"Fiction: Obama stated in his Convention speech: 'My father … grew up herding goats.' The 'goat herder' claim has been repeated endlessly. It is a lie.

"Fact: Obama's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama was a prominent and wealthy farmer. His son, Obama's father, was a child of privilege, not privation. He was an outstanding student, not a herdsman.

"Fiction: Obama was given an 'African' name.

"Fact: Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion..

"He has treated his Muslim heritage as a dark secret. His grandfather was named 'Hussein.' That is an Arabic-Muslim, not African, name. Hussein was a devout Muslim and named his son, Barack Senior, 'Baraka.' Baraka is an Arabic word meaning 'blessed.' Baraka comes out of the Koran and Arabic, not Africa.

"Barack Senior was also a devoted Muslim, and also chose a Muslim name for his son, our own Barack Obama, Junior. Again, his name was an Arabic and Koranic.

"Fiction: Obama Senior was a harmless student 'immigrant' who came to the United States only to study.

"Fact: Obama was part of one of the most corrupt and violent organizations in Africa: the Kenyatta regime. Obama's father ran back to Kenya soon after the British left. It is likely Obama's father had Mau Mau sympathies or connections, or he would not have been welcomed into the murderous inner circle of rapists, murderers, and arsonists. I believe Obama's secret shame at his family history of rape, murder and arson is what actualizes him. Our research is not yet complete. We are seeking to examine British colonial records. Our investigation to date has drawn on information on three continents.

"And what about Obama's beloved Kenyan brothers and sisters? None of his family was invited to Boston to share his prominence. Are his relatives being kept in the closet? Where are they? More secrecy, more prevarication.

"It is time for Barack Obama to stop presenting a fantasy to the American people. We are forgiving and many would still support him. It may well be that his concealment is meant to endanger Israel. His Muslim religion would obviously raise serious questions in many Jewish circles where Obama now enjoys support," Martin said.
 VioletSkye

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Posted: 4/18/2008 6:19:59 PM
Mr.Chev,
Not only is it True....but Ayers also is quite proud of it! Right after 911 he bragged about doing it and said "He wish He would have done more" Spitting in the face of Americans is what Obami and his best friends and buddies love to do, after all even his wife spent her life not being proud of her country until Obami Hussein ran for the White House! Even after this country provided her with one of the best educations any where in the world(One that she and her family paid for, thank you)...to funny these two and their friends are a bunch of whinning losers! They bash this country and at the same time milk it for all they can..That's the liberals! US....you owe us everything! you have proof they're friends? I mean real proof? Or are you just jumping up and down spreading more lies again?

When you just take the simplistics of this Wanna Be President.....
He was raised to not believe in God...hate God Love Allah by his parents I didn't know then atheists believed in God OR Allah
He preacher/mentor says "Not God bless America But G..d..... America!
His wife who says this is a mean country and she's not proud of it! There are many things here I'm not proud of either. I'm not the only one.
His buddy Bill Ayers tried blowing up the Government! They're really friends? You can prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt, or more lies to spread, Poco?
His stance on taking out our Missle Defense sytem!
His Stance on cutting our Military buget!
His wanting to raise more taxes
Stop the war with AlQaedawhere is it getting us, really? we shouldn't have gone there in the first place.
His financial connections with a Slum Lord/Criminal another one of his friends!Funny, Hillary had ties with this very same man. Yet, I don't see you mentioning that here.
His willful Disrespect to the Military and the Flag they protect with their lives! Really? Perhaps you haven't seen him run sessions in the government when he's standing and leading everyone in the Pledge of Allegiance...you know, with his hand on his heart...facing the flag?
His willful lies and deciet of his past!OOooh! And Hillary's are just mistakes...
His lack of being able to handle Tuff Questions without a prompter! really? he did so the other night
His Racial remarks of Whites!Care to show us where? wait...nevermind. When you get called on things like this, you refused to back it up, but keepon spouting more lies.
His hatred for a Country he says he loves!Really? Where has he said this? Shown this?
His Socialist views!
He said "Words Mean Something" but when his own words are turned back at him it's racist or wrong?..lolRiiiight...You mean most of this isn't?
He has no experience in business, never ran one! so much for economics!LMAO...Care to do a search on all the businesses Bush ran into the ground and lost to bankruptcy or where his family had to bail his ass out of?? I sure can.
He has never ran a city state or accompilshed any Managerial Function!wow...you mean all this time in the government, where it clearly states his accomplishments, with law school and afterwards as well, even done more than Mrs.Clinton, he's done nothing? What kind of job do you have, Poco?
He writes a book about his Radical Muslim Father..."The Dreams of my father" lol
He promises to sit down with The Terrorist...and do what? change their beliefs? They want every one dead who is non Radical Muslim! They even kill Muslims! Ever hear of peace talks? You know, to try and end wars and killing? Nah... you like to keep the fear going, Mr.Spin.
He has proven he is not a Uniter..but rather a Divider, that if he doesn't get his way or someone questions Who is the Real Barrok Hussein Obama..he gets mad and crys your picking on me! and his supporters go nuts saying your racist! LMAO....Really stretching it here, as is par for the course for you.

Yeah were in for a real problem if this idiot happens to win! If he loses to Billary, there will be a back lash felt around the US and it will be turned into a Racial War! That's the Democratic party The Great Uniters....

Funny stuff there, Poco. Do you take this fear stirring comedy act on the road?

Oh, and spare me the "Oh you know you want me" and man up and answer the assertions here, (with facts) that you seem to keep posting.
 Kaos86

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Posted: 4/18/2008 6:26:33 PM
It is looking more and more like a McCain win as we get further into this.
 itechman42

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Posted: 4/18/2008 6:31:12 PM
This Martin guy sure creates a lot of facts on presumption doesn't he?

FACT: My grandfather built a house with his own hands therefore I can roof my own house with ease.

I wouldn't even be able to get on my roof without vertigo in reality.

The guy doesn't even qualify what makes his facts to be such. Here I didn't go into journalism because I didn't feel as though I was gifted enough to be so. FACT: If this Martin can make a living as a columnist, Barney the Dinosaur can do so just as well.
 Wherefore Art Thou?

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Posted: 4/19/2008 12:37:41 AM
Chevelle67 msg. #42:
...There are plenty of information. Do you know how to google search the Word Bill Ayers? if you do the information is there for you. ...
Well, I must've had too much time on my hands, Chevelle, because I did Google Bill Ayers and the connections to the current Barack Obama campaign/controversy. You're quite correct - there's plenty of information out there. It just doesn't support what the fruitcakes and 2008 Swiftboaters are trying to do.

The first very important clarification to be made is that Bill Ayers' comments about his bombing days had NOTHING to do with what happened at the World Trade Center on 9/11. It was a bizarre grand coincidence that The New York Times published an article about Ayers and his book on the same day that the Twin Towers were bombed: check it out! - the article about Ayers and what he said was published on September 11, 2001! Obviously, he was interviewed prior to the article's publication. Here's the link. Check it yourself:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

The most disgusting thing about this in my opinion is that Hillary is shamelessly making political hay over this NOTHING, and George Stephanopoulis(sp?) was equally guilty of tarring Obama with his questioning in Wednesday's debate. I am disgusted that Hillary Clinton would be so desperate to win at all costs. I find it difficult to respect her now that I've found this out. Add that to her landing-under-fire-in-Bosnia WHOPPER, and, oh man!
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Moving right along...
I checked out another source about Ayers: on the Washington Post.com, "The Fact Checker" by Michael Dobbs. Here's the link and following is the quoted article:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html


"William Ayers, in the age of terrorism, will be Barack Obama's Willie Horton."
--Former counterterrorism official Larry C. Johnson, The Huffington Post, Feb. 16, 2008.

There has been a sudden spate of blog items and newspaper articles, mainly in the British press, linking Barack Obama to a former member of the radical Weather Underground Organization that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974. The former Weatherman, William Ayers, now holds the position of distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Although never convicted of any crime, he told the New York Times in September 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."

Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

Is there anything here that raises questions about Obama's judgment or is this just another example of guilt by association?
The Facts

The first article in the mainstream press linking Obama to Ayers appeared in the London Daily Mail on February 2. It was written by Peter Hitchens, the right-wing brother of the left-wing firebrand turned Iraq war supporter, Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens cited the Ayers connection to bolster his argument that Obama is "far more radical than he would like us to know."

The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican attack machine." Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at the CIA and the State Department, predicted that the Republicans would seize on the Ayers case, and other Chicago relationships, to "bludgeon Obama's presidential aspirations into the dust."

The London Sunday Times joined the chorus this weekend by reporting that Republicans were "out to crush Barack by painting him as a leftwinger with dubious support".

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton. The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted" after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the campaign.

But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out, Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?

Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and "passion for social justice."

"This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns."
After reading all of the above I'll have to agree with Ms. Harrington's words: "This whole connection is a stretch."
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And, finally, here's a link to another article that the New York Times published just the other day, after Wednesday's debate, to help try to clear up this controversy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/us/politics/17truth.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
 exodusi1

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Posted: 4/19/2008 1:10:27 AM
More petty issues, from more petty people.

1) All three remaining candidates are Americans.

2) None of the Candidates support terrorist attacks on America.

Could we please get away from the ignorance of the right wing talking points?
 Chevelle67

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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:28:09 AM
exodusi what would you rather talk about the left wings false information?
 Chevelle67

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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:36:41 AM
Where for art thow,

The London times is one of the most liberal papers in England. I am an independent. I am just throwing out information about all candidates. I myself, do not want a liar in the white house. If we have a liar in the whitehouse that could only hurt the American people and yes that is both you and I. I am not saying McCain is an angel either although I havent heard any lies coming from him as of yet. I haven't heard McCain state that he was under intense sniper fire when he visited troops in Iraq! Now hillary has admitted to her lie. I know all politicians lie and the reason for that is so they will win the election. They say things people want to hear so they will vote for them. The former Clinton Administration was full of lies and the Bush administration is no different. What I am trying to do is ask everyone isn't it time we hold these candidates, Presidents, and lobbyists accountable for whath they lie about? If someone would just take the lead on getting these politicians to be truthful or face consequences I would deffinately follow!
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