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Posted: 5/5/2008 4:08:59 PM | Hmmm. I wouldn't look too closely at Crowley.
For a Master Magician , 'Great Beast' and ruler of the other dimensions and men's minds...he ended up skint, on drugs and handouts in a B&B on the south coast.
If I was to come up with a culty secret society, I'd want it shrouded in secrecy too. Knowledge is power and the less 'they' know the better. Even if there is nothing to know in the first place.
People are ALWAYS envious of clubs they are red-roped out of. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 12:47:14 PM | I personally think that the Freemasons are harmless. I'm not a Freemason, nor have I ever been one, but I do know that if they have any darker side, they won't make it publicly accessible, no matter how hard you look.
Until they take action that harms me, I will not see them as a threat, but rather as a very well-founded support system for ambitious young men with a desire to gain power to help him change the world for the better.
Does it sound like I support them? Well, I don't. I don't think they should be dismantled, either. I am neutral, and in my attempts at objective research I have found only positive feedback from all reputable sources.
I've also been to a few Freemason get-togethers (family invite due to my great-uncle's membership), and they are all really friendly, if mostly old and Caucasian.
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Posted: 5/6/2008 11:28:47 PM |
There's not very much about the traditions and rites of Freemasonry that isn't exposed somewhere out here on the net.
Beg to differ
Even within the ranks, little is known of what is above their own rank.
And those in higher ranks would not speak of things
You'll only get that in the lower ranks
Its a cousin branch of Druidic rites
Not all things are for all
Its well understood
Its not so much 'secrecy'
Rather, that each of us has a place along the journey which we currently occupy
Given knowledge without the experience and wisdom to use is well...is foolish
And people would simply try to intellectualise it
And ultimately get it wrong
And possibly harm themself
Or others
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Posted: 5/7/2008 7:15:43 AM | There are a lot of bad things I've heard about the Freemasons, people may feel free to debunk. I don't necessarily believe them, but it's good to know the facts.
1. Freemasons are actually connected to the KKK.
Either they were started at the same time, or by the same guy, or they're branches of the same organisation.. something like that. None of that sounds particularly groovy to me.
2. Freemasons are part of some vast conspiracy
I don't believe that and it's too vague to debunk, so don't bother.
3. Freemasons have policies that forbid membership to blacks, etc
I believe that has changed, but I could be wrong? I'm not black myself, but would want no part of any organisation that was so fundamentally racist.
4. Freemasons swear loyalty to the organisation above all else
This is the one that scares me the most. To my knowledge a large number of people are masons who are in very public life, in particular in politics here in Australia. The thought that they have a higher secret loyalty to another organisation (however benign) is truly worrying. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 9:14:26 AM |
1. Freemasons are actually connected to the KKK.
Either they were started at the same time, or by the same guy, or they're branches of the same organisation.. something like that. None of that sounds particularly groovy to me.
2. Freemasons are part of some vast conspiracy
I don't believe that and it's too vague to debunk, so don't bother.
3. Freemasons have policies that forbid membership to blacks, etc
I believe that has changed, but I could be wrong? I'm not black myself, but would want no part of any organisation that was so fundamentally racist.
4. Freemasons swear loyalty to the organisation above all else
This is the one that scares me the most. To my knowledge a large number of people are masons who are in very public life, in particular in politics here in Australia. The thought that they have a higher secret loyalty to another organisation (however benign) is truly worrying.
Of course this had to get off topic of the Bible used by the Freemasons during their ceremonies, but bringing the subject back shows that this organization believes in a higher power and most, not all, believe the higher power to be God. (Another gentleman used the correct terminology for the higher power, should have looked it up before posting this, but the meaning is still here.)
1.The KKK was started in the 1800's by rednecks that believed their color, their religion, their beliefs, etc. was the only way! Freemasons date back to Solomon's time. (Some of the first hand accounts I read about what the KKK did to their neighbors, amazing how horrible these men were!)
2. Vast Conspiracy to what? Help children, families, and fellow brothers, ummmm yeah.
3. Again, Freemasons do not discriminate against race, that is just ignorant to say that the color of a man's skin is what would cause them to be black balled.
4. "swear loyalty to the organisation above all else," family and God are at the center, of course they have loyalty. They are brothers helping each other in their journey in life. I know I am loyal to those that help me.
Back to the topic, read the Bible, yup, that is what these men practice, the teachings in the Bible. Be good to your fellow man!) | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 1:54:03 PM | Hey, whitegold765. Maybe I could help ya out there:
1. Freemasons are actually connected to the KKK.
No. I don't buy the belief that the Masons have existed as far back as King Solomon, but they're certainly older than the KKK. They might have origins in Scottish or English stonemasons' guilds. The "free" in Freemasons refers to those stonemasons who were not bound to any land by feudal law. They could travel and find work at will. The first Masonic records date to Scotland in the 1600's. Scottish-rite Masonry is probably the oldest form. The first Grand Lodge was built in 1717 in England. From there, Masonry spread to the American colonies and the rest of Europe.
The Masons/KKK connection MAY be based on how some 19th century Masons may have supported Nativist or Know-Nothing political ideas, such as anti-Irish or anti-Italian immigration, or anti-Catholicism. But that's about it.
2. Freemasons are part of some vast conspiracy
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? Otherwise it wouldn't be a conspiracy, right?
Historically speaking, though, it's definitely true that Freemasons have been at the center of many national "conspiracies". I say this in the sense that many of the orchestrators of the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the Mexican Revolution, and the Italian Revolution were Masons. It's arguable that 18th and 19th century Masonry was used as a kind of social club for bourgois lawyers, bankers, and wealthy but non-noble professionals (such as the American Founding Fathers) to plot against the existing ancien regime monarchies of the time. If you look at anti-monarchism and anti-clericalism as two common points of ideology between all of these groups and revolutions, it probably makes a lot more sense. These were men who felt that they, and not the royalty/aristocracy/clergy, should rule their respective countries. They may have felt that the Enlightenment rendered the old order obsolete.
I'm told that one of the higher degree ceremonies in Masonry involves stepping over a crown and a papal tiara to show that the member will trample over church and state. I can't verify that, though.
In America, a lot of what I described above is now taken absolutely for granted as part of "modern western thinking". That goes to show how successful the Masons in America were. But speaking as a Catholic and a monarchist, I respectfully disagree. 
3. Freemasons have policies that forbid membership to blacks, etc
Not true today. Perhaps this was the case in the past. The two rules of membership in Lodges of the English-speaking world are that 1.) must be male and 2.) must believe in a God or higher power. That may be Christian, deist, Muslim, Jewish, perhaps even pagan depending on the individual group.
However, in the French Lodges and Lodges in the Latin world (Italy, Spain, Latin America), atheism is permitted. This reflects how revolutions in these parts of the world have always been much more anti-clerical and anti-religious, whereas America is known for being a "religious country" and the UK still has a state religion, the Church of England. When the Grand Oritent (grand lodge of France) declared atheism acceptable in 1877, there's been a schism between the English and Latin lodges ever since.
4. Freemasons swear loyalty to the organisation above all else
Maybe, maybe not. This was probably true in the past, at least, and is one of the reasons why Catholics are not allowed to join Masonry (our own rules, not the Lodge's). | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 7:35:49 PM | | The Masons name was benjamin baniker... He was also Asiatic(black). Infact the moors were the ones who took the light from Africa into Europe. From 711 to 1492 the moors ruled different parts of Europe. A great read for this is They came before columbus. In speculative masonry the legend of Hiram Abiff was introduced, round about 1723 or 1725. Which is just a symbolic story used my Master Masons. He was hit on the head or robbed by 3 roughins. The 3 have crazy names, jubila jubile and jubilum. I see at france england and America. For more personal reasons. 17 of the presidents have been free masons. John Hanson who was Asiatic(Black) was the first president, and he can be found on the back of the 2 dollar bill sitting. He's the only dark face on it. I believe the date is 1717 to 1721. However he isn't in the his-story books, and when you look him up on the internet he is "white." Which is not of wonder. Anyway's masonic rights are know longer a secret. They can be found in the ol test of the king james version. The book of Solomon, numbers, kings 1 and 2. The Masonic bible just has the tools of a mason on it. Compas and square along with the 7th letter of the alaphabet(G). Most of my family are either Masons or Eastern stars. I myself am not, because I beleive that "eachone should teach one." Not shield knowledge. Infact my old reverend was a 32 degree mason! Know truth came out of his mouth, he was a slick and sly as a PIMP. K It's know wonder that the church is filled with 85% women. It's a pimp and whore relationship.lol. I was wondering if Bill Clinton was a Mason or not? Thanks for the info. Peace to all true seekers of knowledge and understanding. Ausar | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 8:01:46 PM | Someone else said it above, Clinton was kicked out of Demolay (sp???)
Ahhhh yes, the Moors. They were such an intelligent group. Did they come to the US? It is getting late and I am trying to remember who taught the Native Americans about Masonry.
I still see more (Moor...tee hee) good than bad that comes from Masonry.
I should be getting a couple Masonic Bibles in the mail shortly. These are from the 20th Century, so I will check to see if they are very different than the 19th Century ones I am used to selling. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 8:40:03 PM | Free masonary is a nobel calling there are blacks, asians, whites you name it there are members in it. If I remember correctly there are lodges for each race dont know why iam not a mason. There are some large laodges in san diego that are all philipino who also happen to be prior military. I have several black friends who are members of the masons. So while the group you saw may have all been white, Masons come from all corners of the globe. If I remember correctly the book of law is the spiritual book of that country or what your faith is. So it could be a Quran, Bible, Torah or whatever.
I am very interested in joining it myself my grandfather is a master mason I havent worked up the nerve to ask him lol. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 8:31:30 AM | | My father was a Grand Master .. its all hokum, basically a good buddies business club. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 7:41:27 PM | Just Em
I'm glad to see a women with knowledge on a world wide organization that's mostly for women? Do you have any information on Jack the ripper being a free Mason? Was he ever found? The moors did come to america. They are lead by the prophet Noble Drew Ali. Hence the title Noble, which has a shriners origin. The religion is called islamism and the temple is called Moorish Science Temple of America. Well that's all I have. I do not believe the the Native were given masonery, however they are FREE to join any lodge. Peace. Ausar | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 8:32:57 PM | I remember reading that when a group of men met Native Americans, the Native Americans bore the Freemason symbol. But I don't remember how it was thought they could have gotten the instruction. That is why I thought the Moors could have.
 Women in Freemasonry...just relatives, male, and I sell da books
Jack may have been one at one time, prior to his flipping out, but what I always found more interesting was Napolean Bonepart was held by Masons, now did he escape on that island he was exisled too, or did he die? (The royal guard was made up of Freemasons.) I know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop, but the world may never know or the world may never know the truth about Napolean.
Yup I know tons about nothing and nothing about tons...sigh...20th century and 21st century books are mysteries to me. I have read or purchased few. But I will find out shortly about the 20th century Masonic Bible. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 4:33:27 PM | You can buy books at Occult or New Age book stores or search in used books for a 32 or 33 degree book and get the info you want. Let's just say they don't believe in "Paulianism" and that they respect the teachings of the "Hermetics" and other ancient beliefs. Their verson of Christianity is probably more Aramaic. (sorry, not spelled correctly. This was the language that Christ spoke.) The expert was Pike with the Scottish Rite in the 1800's.
The original organization was put in place to fight the Pope and Rome. But over the years their purpose has become diluted with the advancement of society and the reduction of power of the Roman Catholic Church. The teachings of Paul are the source of the radical edge of Christianity. They realized this over 1000 years ago after hanging out with the Arabs, who at the time were a more advanced culture in many ways. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 10:12:30 AM | | Just received the 1930's edition of the Holman Masonic Bible and in answer to the OP's question about the Bible, this is King James Version. But again, they don't have to use a Bible or the KJV. The KJV is just a standard edition and Holman is a famous printer for them. | |
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