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Posted: 6/30/2008 9:54:21 PM | soros, with his 8.5 billion dollar fortune, much of it made speculating in the oil and financial markets and ruining entire countries in the process, has no trouble throwing 100 milion dollars to the winner of the democratic primary. chump change to him. lets see if he can buy this election. so far he hasnt been able to, in the past.
This is interesting.
"There have been suggestions that Soro's political gifts may have served his own interests. In late 2006, Soros bought about 2 million shares of Halliburton, which had been a major target of criticism (for war profiteering) by MoveOn and the Center for American Progress. Soro's critics allege that these organizations suddenly stopped criticism of Halliburton after Soros purchased the stock, and subsequently the stock values appreciated significantly, netting substantial profits for Soros"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
I didn't know Soros was profiting off of Halliburton.... after MoveOn.org learned this they stopped criticism of Halliburton. ....hmmmm | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 10:37:48 PM | | James Hansen is on Soros payroll. Soros has paid him $800.000 so far. Hansen is that screwball ex-NASA scientist preaching global warming and speaks for Dems for higher oil and gas prices. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:32:18 PM | ^^^
It becomes more and more obvious that some people, rather than trying to hide it, actually enjoy flaunting their ignorance as some kind of "badge of honour." Quite bizarre!!
Oh well...yet one more by-product of 7-plus years under the "Special Education (P)resident" | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:43:58 PM | i am admittedly shocked and sickened by the info on Haliburton and Soros.... that is not cool
regardless, he doesn't own moveon, gave them 5 million to help start them/us. so what? i don't recall moveon ever doing much about Haliburton anyway. we are legislative issue oriented.... | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 12:13:55 AM | Fact:D1ck Cheney owns no (none, zero) Halliburton stock, but is accused regularly of making money off the company's business dealings related to the Iraq war.
Fact: As of 12/31/06, Soros owned 1,999,450 shares of Halliburton, purchased at an estimated average price of $31.30.
Fact: Halliburton closed yesterday at $53.07.
Fact: Cheney's profiteering on Halliburton stock: $0.00. George Soros' profiteering on Halliburton stock: $43,528,026.50.
Fact: #1 donor to MoveOn.org - George Soros
But "Mr. Principled Leftist" himself, our crash1967 says "so what?"
In case you need any assistance, its spelled h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 12:31:05 AM | ^^^
Fact: Dallas Flier can't read where crash says he's sickened by soros owning haliburton stock.
Fact: you will NEVER hear a right winger admit that GOPer's do anything wrong.
Fact: GOPers twist everything to suit their agenda's because their agenda is twisted - cite - DF twisting what crash said about moveon and soros donating money to them which happened before he bought the stock. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 12:32:38 AM | Fact: crash seems to not understand the difference between verifiable facts and his own personal opinions, which he prefers to present as "facts."  | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 12:43:33 AM | "twistin, twistin, twistin the night away....."
you still sore about being wrong about children being held in Guantanamo?
i'm just in too good of a mood tonight DF... better luck baiting next time.... | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:03:20 AM | more classic moveon.org whining. jesus christ, does a day go by where they don't contradict themselves? today's headline.
"Stop Distorting General Clark's Words
This week, General Clark said he respects John McCain's service, but that McCain's experience doesn't automatically give him the judgment to be Commander in Chief. The media's been twisting his words ever since. Support General Clark and tell the media that Americans deserve honest reporting. "
moveon is the same group that has been claiming for over a year now that john mccain wants to fight a war for 100 years right? the took the words military occupation, like we have in germany, and turned it into a 100 year war. so now the kings of distorting words, are pissed off because other media outlets are doing it. again I am totally dumbfounded. oh, and notice the moveon quote. notice what they claim that clark's words were. here are his actual words, "Well, I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.” that is a little different than " he respects John McCain's service, but that McCain's experience doesn't automatically give him the judgment to be Commander in Chief."
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:22:02 AM | ....over a year eh? McSame said that in January.... distortion indeed....
i hope this doesn't mean you're cool with chillin in Iraq for that long... here is what he said;
McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.
the messed up thing is that AQ is there because we showed up in the first place, under false pretenses... he is essentially parroting Bush and co. to justify our presence there in the first place which to me is just more of the SAME.
straight talk express my ass....
and Clarks words are correct, this does not mean he is anymore ready to lead a country than anybody else.....fly a jet? maybe...... | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:27:06 AM | Moveon.org? You mean the one's that can't move on? They are still fighting the 2000 election. It's mostly a place for the gathering place of the conspiracy driven crowd and those that need to be told what to think...and do.
It's a shrill place to visit...like putting gravel in the dryer and forcing yourself to sit and listen to it. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:31:51 AM |
...like putting gravel in the dryer and forcing yourself to sit and listen to it. Wasn't MoveOn.org started by Michael Moore? and where has he been lately? will he just show up at the Republican Convention? or is he in hiding since his stock in Halliburton was exposed? | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:36:17 AM | I thought the quote was longer ago than that. so 7 months then. oops. I know what mccain said and there is a huge difference with being at war for 100 years and having a military presence. I am pretty much an isolationist. I would bring all of our troops home from every country we are in. we should ask them first, cause you don't want another puerto rico situation. you know, they picketed and told us to go home. then we did, and they cried because they lost so much revenue. I don't disagree with clark's words. I don't think anything "prepares" you for the office of the presidency. I think mccain's experience is a joke as well. being in the senate for as long as he has is like being an average player on the kansas city royals. it's just not much to brag about. what annoys me is that moveon takes such offense to twisting words when they do it ALL THE TIME. hypocrites!
It's a shrill place to visit...like putting gravel in the dryer and forcing yourself to sit and listen to it.
don't put mike gravel in a dryer. he is getting old and he is going to shrink on his own.
Wasn't MoveOn.org started by Michael Moore? and where has he been lately? will he just show up at the Republican Convention? or is he in hiding since his stock in Halliburton was exposed?
if I am not mistaken, moveon was started by a republican. jesus, michael moore and moveon, the perfect storm of stupidity. michael moore and his movie "sicko." I don't know about the rest of you, but when I think health, I think michael moore. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:42:26 AM | Guys? The 16 squillion members of MoveOn called and, oddly enough, they honestly aren't advocating for your approval. Michael Moore's lastest project was "Sicko" which discussed the mess our health care industry is in and fancy that.......now there's a story in the news about some health care facility leaving a woman in a waiting roon long enough for her to die. LOVELY!!!! Yeah.......but whatever you do, don't take MoveOn seriously.
Regarding Moore's role in starting MoveOn:
http://moveon.org/about.html
"MoveOn.org Civic Action was started by Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, two Silicon Valley entrepreneurs. Although neither had experience in politics, they shared deep frustration with the partisan warfare in Washington D.C. and the ridiculous waste of our nation's focus at the time of the impeachment mess. On September 18th 1998, they launched an online petition to "Censure President Clinton and Move On to Pressing Issues Facing the Nation." Within days they had hundreds of thousands of individuals signed up, and began looking for ways these voices could be heard. "
and they got together with:
"The MoveOn Peace campaign was founded independently by Eli Pariser, a Maine native and recent graduate of Simon's Rock College of Bard. In the days following September 11th, 2001, he launched an online petition calling for a restrained and multi-lateral response to the attacks, which was quickly signed by more than half a million people. Eli joined forces with MoveOn soon afterward, and is now MoveOn.org Political Action’s Executive Director. "
Interesting to see that in retrospect........we should've listened to the first half a million members....
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:45:44 AM | | I used to be a supporter of moveon but I no longer see them as independent voice for the progressive movement and as a result they have lost my support. Their early support of Obama and criticism of Hillary left me feeling disenfranchised, just as Howard Dean's endorsement did. I did not see their role as helping select the nominee, and if they did, certainly not the less qualified nominee. It seems they have jumped on the bandwagon of not talking about real issues with depth and honesty, but instead doing what the rest of the media does which is spin a "story" to manipulate the outcome. I won't give them another penny nor host one of their mini-events. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:50:40 AM | All this talk about moveon... has me smiling. Everyone and their brother now knows it's agenda. To further the far left's stance.
The Left will take it seriously and Others will not.
Moveon is a propaganda machine. Nothing more or less. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:57:12 AM | ^^^ sorta like Faux? MoveOn is issue oriented and primarily works through the grass roots. nobody is forced to buy anything. i work with them here and there when i agree on the issue.
like the "right" doesn't have their machines? gimme a break.... | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:02:24 AM | glamour
I don't know who started Moveon.org. Went to look at it a couple of times and I just couldn't get into what they were trying to sell. Don't see how anyone could reading that stuff and feel good about anything. Maybe that's the whole point of moveon.org...you know...misery loves company. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:05:15 AM |
ike the "right" doesn't have their machines? gimme a break....
I'm sure the Right does. But, the thread is about moveon so I put forth my opinion on that aspect. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:08:43 AM | Guys? The 16 squillion members of MoveOn called and, oddly enough, they honestly aren't advocating for your approval. Michael Moore's lastest project was "Sicko" which discussed the mess our health care industry is in and fancy that.......now there's a story in the news about some health care facility leaving a woman in a waiting roon long enough for her to die. LOVELY!!!! Yeah.......but whatever you do, don't take MoveOn seriously.
well now I guess we can't take you seriously. lower your estimated number of moveon members by 13 "squillion." moveon has less members than the NRA. I am not looking to approve of them, I like exposing them as the jokes that they are. they are the sean hannity of the left, with less followers. I saw the video of the lady die on the floor of the waiting room. she was a psychiatric patient who collapsed on the floor. she was rolling around on the floor, something that perhaps a psychiatric patient would do. other patients ignored her as well. when she went completely still, the approached her. you make it seem like a person with a gunshot would was left to die waiting. you weren't in the hospital, perhaps the woman was talking, who knows. if you are using this as a springboard to promote "universal health care" I will say one thing. if government controlled health care, she would never even have made it to the waiting room. she would have died at home waiting for an appointment. if you want something delivered overnight, who do you turn to? the post office, or fedex? yeah, that's what I thought. nice try taking a story out of context and using fear mongering to advance the agenda, how incredibly moveon.org of you!
^^^ sorta like Faux? MoveOn is issue oriented and primarily works through the grass roots. nobody is forced to buy anything. i work with them here and there when i agree on the issue.
like the "right" doesn't have their machines? gimme a break....
foxnews is as reliable as cnn, abc, msnbc, or the bbc. they are all slanted. I agree that nobody is forced to buy anything from moveon, but they get plenty of money from george soros. I am sure the right has their machines. if you consider rush, hannity, and some of the religious freaks part of the machine. I also don't think that any of them is as influential to the party as moveon is to their party. here is some advice to people. if you want honest unbiased information about what is going on in washington, don't go to a media outlet, go to the governments website. they post everything there. you can see exactly what congress is doing without having to read about it from a biased source. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:19:54 AM | People are already dying from lack of access to health care but......who's counting?When I watched the video I saw that "psychiatric patient's" feet twitching but I didn't see her rolling around because she collapsed in the corner between two chairs. Oddly enough, when I think of the term 'rolling around on the floor' the last population that comes to my mind are psychiatric patients.....but perhaps you're right about not taking this situation and using it as the 'banner' for universal health care. We have plenty of evidence for that elsewhere...
I'll just go with this other stunner for the day for me which is ...
"how incredibly moveon.org of you!"
To date.....this is my highest compliment. That's IT!!! Nefarious is no longer the lil muffin in my life!!!
Nice comback, jmarquise. Brightened my day completely. Did I mention my best bud raises funds for the NRA too? Yeah one of those loons literally (I'm SO NOT kidding here) said "Yee haw, honey!" while ON the phone with her and discharged a weapon. Blimey, we laughed about that for days. You have interesting pals.
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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:56:08 AM |
People are already dying from lack of access to health care but......who's counting?When I watched the video I saw that "psychiatric patient's" feet twitching but I didn't see her rolling around because she collapsed in the corner between two chairs. Oddly enough, when I think of the term 'rolling around on the floor' the last population that comes to my mind are psychiatric patients.....but perhaps you're right about not taking this situation and using it as the 'banner' for universal health care. We have plenty of evidence for that elsewhere...
I'll just go with this other stunner for the day for me which is ...
"how incredibly moveon.org of you!"
To date.....this is my highest compliment. That's IT!!! Nefarious is no longer the lil muffin in my life!!!
Nice comback, jmarquise. Brightened my day completely. Did I mention my best bud raises funds for the NRA too? Yeah one of those loons literally (I'm SO NOT kidding here) said "Yee haw, honey!" while ON the phone with her and discharged a weapon. Blimey, we laughed about that for days. You have interesting pals.
Obama '08
so let's sum up your talking points.
1. universal heath care means no one will ever die.
2. watching a 2 minute clip of an hour long video means "knowing the whole story."
3. the face of universal health care should be a 600 lb man.
4. people who need health care are refused by doctors because of no insurance.
5. me saying that the NRA has more members than moveon means I am a member.
6. your highest compliment in over 50 years of life is "how incredibly moveon.org of you!"
7. government provides better services than the free market.
did I leave anything out? all you have to do is admit that moveon is a joke and we'll all be happy. I personally find all political action groups to be a joke. don't get me started on PETA. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 11:09:19 AM | PETA is wonderful!!!! Don't eat meat!!! Okay I'm dying laughing NOW.
And yes, thank you for pointing out how incredibly pathetic it is that my highest compliment in over 50 years......gawd that's depressing.
My initial draw to MoveOn was the fact that they had the guts to say right AFTER 9/11 that a careful response was in order. Turns out......after the fact.....we all know Bush intended to invade Iraq before 9/11 was even thought of. But I'm a flaming liberal.......of course I'm gonna like them. I suspect that whether I admit anything about MoveOn or not.......you'll be happy. 
Thanks for the laugh of the day.....you mean you're not a member of the NRA?
........*thinking*.........yeah, that should about do it.
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