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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 1:15:38 PM |
After being widowed for 6 yrs. and in the fall of 2007, I decided to date again. I had been communicating with a fella for 10 months. After finally meeting him, you guessed it.........he became a "hit and run" guy who saw me as "too easy". Damned if ya' do..........damned if ya' don't. Needless to say, I'm NOT free thinking now. Basically because, I no longer feel like being treated like a "piece of merchandise". He cured me or ruined me............take your pick. I am sorry this happened to you, sorry to hear it ever happens to anyone, and it may be a reason for some women to become less free thinking about sexual behavior. However, I also think others may simply change as we get older, become more discerning, feel that sex without love is not really appealing or satisfying, and so on. I have been lucky, I guess, in that I have never experienced a hit and run man: I've never felt used only for sex. I think in all aspects of life, as I have gotten older, I have become someone who wants to savor things in a deeper and richer way, rather than in a superficial way. This applies to all I do or seek in life, including my approach to sexual intimacy. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 1:57:10 PM | Ideally, we all want to have sex as part of a caring relationship or genuine FwB. But, there is not so much wrong with judiciously chosen and responsible sex with fewer strings. And I think all mature women who come to Adventures in Modern Dating after being in a very longlasting relationship, is gonna have to deal with the guys who seek out vulnerable women to run a game on them, and NOT let the encounter undermine her. They aren't ALL d*ckheads, even though it often seems so.
I personally have taught myself to NOT get overly invested emotionally, or in a certain outcome, until AFTER sexual intimacy starts occurring. This is where you find out whether he's the real deal, a conquest collector, a hit and run, a double standard subscriber, or just plain lousy in the sack. Now, I am speaking here of the 45+ dating scene. Given the number of men who DO NOT want to get caught up in another situation where he fears he's gonna get hurt/used/ inconvenienced/infringed upon,I don't see how it would make any sense to start dreaming dreams and making future plans BEFORE you become sexually intimate. It is what it is. Most men I have met, via online or real life, even single mature men I'm acquainted with through the everyday and casual entertainment things things I do offline, don't seem all that anxious to get involved in a 'relationship'. So I think you just have to keep in the back of your mind that he may just be all about the nookie,whatever lies he has to tell /act he has to put on. I'm sorry, I'm sure many will interpret that as bitter or defeatist...and it's NEITHER, just a VERY GOOD emotional survival mechanism when it comes to dating. relationships and sex. Cindy O | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 2:13:07 PM |
...don't seem all that anxious to get involved in a 'relationship'. So I think you just have to keep in the back of your mind that he may just be all about the nookie,whatever lies he has to tell /act he has to put on. Not challenging your perspective or arguing, however, it seems that what this means is that one is to make a calculated decision about becoming intimate with someone. Part of that decision seems to be based on, now that we are older and less attractive, we should not expect to be loved and valued as we might have been when younger and more attractive. That seems part of it. Another part of this calculated decision seems to be that since older men have been burned or are bitter or whatever and don't want to get involved in a relationship, we should go ahead and just have sex without a relationship because we can't expect one from them anyway, and at least we will get sex if nothing else. And then another part of the equation is that if we forge ahead, get sexually involved, maybe we will get lucky and the man will want a relationship, down the line. That's how I'm reading this. I understand and sympathize with the idea of at least having sex, if nothing else. Being sexually active is important and healthy. However, I don't see that it is necessary to compromise. There are men who are interested in a relationship. Men who are looking for someone to love and share their life with. From my perspective, I'm not holding out, or thinking I've got some precious commodity to protect, nor do I think I need to plan a future with someone before becoming intimate; all I think is that if I'm going to be intimate with someone, intimacy means a mutual outlook and understanding, of what we want and what we are looking for. Another part of your equation seems to be that if a women expects that from a man, he is just going to lie to her to get sex so she might as well not expect it. That indeed does sound defeatist. I have never in my life been duped into having sex with someone who didn't care for me, and I see no reason why that should start happening now. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 2:34:34 PM |
There are men who are interested in a relationship. Men who are looking for someone to love and share their life with. From my perspective, I'm not holding out, or thinking I've got some precious commodity to protect, nor do I think I need to plan a future with someone before becoming intimate; all I think is that if I'm going to be intimate with someone, intimacy means a mutual outlook and understanding, of what we want and what we are looking for. That's a nice thought, but.... there's always a "But" isn't there? I recently un-hid my profile, and I've gotten some, shall we say, interesting contacts. Some have been somewhat younger than me, not too much younger, some have been older. Some of the more 'interesting' ones have come from the older men claiming to want long term or marriage. I may or may not be interested in marriage, but I am interested in long term. However, I won't give out my phone # the first time anyone asks, and there do seem to be a lot of LTR-minded men who say they aren't interested in wasting a lot of time on emails. I'm almost tempted to ask some of them what they consider 'a lot of time' just to satisfy my own curiousity. And it may be silly and unrealistic of me, but if someone asks me in their first contact if I'm still fun and sexually romantic, I don't much care what else he has to offer, I'm not gonna be interested. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 2:46:03 PM |
... Some have been somewhat younger than me, not too much younger, some have been older. Some of the more 'interesting' ones have come from the older men claiming to want long term or marriage. I may or may not be interested in marriage, but I am interested in long term. However, I won't give out my phone # the first time anyone asks, and there do seem to be a lot of LTR-minded men who say they aren't interested in wasting a lot of time on emails. I'm almost tempted to ask some of them what they consider 'a lot of time' just to satisfy my own curiousity. And it may be silly and unrealistic of me, but if someone asks me in their first contact if I'm still fun and sexually romantic, I don't much care what else he has to offer, I'm not gonna be interested. This is not the type of experience I have with men who contact me on line. Most are within what I consider to be the appropriate age range, in their 50's. They do not ask for a phone number up front or early on. They are not older men who seem to want to rush into marriage. They do not make any kind of sexual comments at all, even after emailing for some time. They seem to be sincere and real. If I get any kind of vibe at any time that they are not, I don't correspond with them. I have not found the one I'm looking for, but I have corresponded with many very decent and respectful men. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 3:03:27 PM |
This is not the type of experience I have with men who contact me on line. Most are within what I consider to be the appropriate age range, in their 50's. They do not ask for a phone number up front or early on. They are not older men who seem to want to rush into marriage. They do not make any kind of sexual comments at all, even after emailing for some time. They seem to be sincere and real. If I get any kind of vibe at any time that they are not, I don't correspond with them. I have not found the one I'm looking for, but I have corresponded with many very decent and respectful men. When I said 'not too much younger' I meant within the range of possibility for a potential match. And I've corresponded with a number of polite, decent, and respectful men. It's just that none of them live anywhere near me in west bumblefart, which is very, very different from London. As I've said before, the pool of fishes here is more like a puddle with a few confused tadpoles thrashing around. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 3:10:27 PM |
When I said 'not too much younger' I meant within the range of possibility for a potential match. And I've corresponded with a number of polite, decent, and respectful men. It's just that none of them live anywhere near me in west bumblefart, which is very, very different from London. As I've said before, the pool of fishes here is more like a puddle with a few confused tadpoles thrashing around. I understand the pool is shrinking...especially if you live in a rural area. Most of the men who contact me live in another country, so I have a similar type of problem as far as getting to meet them. Some of the best ones live in the US, an impossibility usually, although there have been a few retired men who travel, so it's not impossible. I am just saying, I have not reached the point, or felt the need to, to feel or believe all is lost. I do believe there are many decent men who want a serious ltr with the right women, as I want with the right man. If anyone comes on as a jerk to me, I pick up on that right away and end any communication. But by far most of those who contact me are not jerks or behave like jerks. The main issue is not finding anyone within 6000 miles with whom I click. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 3:14:26 PM | Kari, some men arent typist that is why they want the phone number...if you ever watched a man hunt and peck you would see their frustration at trying to keep emailing someone. They are doers and talking in most of them's opinion is doing vs writing...they are wanting immediate interaction. You do realize you can block your number from showing and call them if you are uncomfortable with giving out your number.
. Part of that decision seems to be based on, now that we are older and less attractive, we should not expect to be loved and valued as we might have been when younger and more attractive.
I didnt think since I am older that means Im less attractive...in some ways I think I am more attractive. I know I am not near as b1tchy as I was and I have so many more faucets in my personality to draw on. I find men my age to be extremely attractive ...some men are better looking now than when they were younger and I think some women to... I guess I am saying I dont equate age to attraction!
and at least we will get sex if nothing else I don't think you should date a man who you arent sexually interested in, then more men wont feel burned or bitter or used. They want someone who wants them and I think they are right to feel so.
And then another part of the equation is that if we forge ahead, get sexually involved, maybe we will get lucky and the man will want a relationship, down the line.
that sounds like trading sex for a relationship, most men I have met will tell you upfront if they arent interested in a relationship, only one lied and that was the man I saw for 4 months...he told me a year later that he just wasnt ready based on the things he had gone thru in his divorce 3 years prior but he was now . I still didnt trust him again, I figured if you had me once and didnt respect me enough to keep me why in heck would I give you a second chance.
However I know from what the local men have told me that they have a waiting list of women who are willing to trade sex for a relationship...they dont see the lack of a relationship as a downside cause all they have to do is call someone and they will eagerly come over. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 3:25:41 PM |
The main issue is not finding anyone within 6000 miles with whom I click. My sincere sympathies. I've found plenty that I think I would click with just fine, it's just that I haven't figured out yet how to convince them it might actually be worth driving a hundred miles or less to see for themselves. That, or they are quite happy in their singleness and want only to date, which would also be fine, but it's too far to drive for just a date.
I have no idea why the jerks show up, no matter how many times I look at my profile I just don't see anything that says "JERKS AND CREEPS WELCOME TO APPLY." All I do know is that there are some real doozies out there, and some of us seem to act as jerk-magnets.
...still pursuing that faint hope there's someone real out there somewhere... | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 3:35:14 PM |
"my legs stay crossed until I get a ring on my finger, Mr Man!"
Must be difficult to pee like that,,,
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 4:30:14 PM | ...
" ...But, there is not so much wrong with judiciously chosen and responsible sex with fewer strings. And I think all mature women who come to Adventures in Modern Dating after being in a very longlasting relationship, is gonna have to deal with the guys who seek out vulnerable women to run a game on them, and NOT let the encounter undermine her. They aren't ALL d*ckheads, even though it often seems so. "
...aha. but it is not the all of it. in our secret legal adversarial society. it is legal in some places to dress up a woman police officer as a prostitute to catch johns.
if they can manipulate women that way. they can hire a lady disguised as lonely divorced to get inside mens lives and other womens and childrens homes/places of institution to mess up the lives of anybody for any purpose.
some women of legal jurisprudence and extended offices are vulnerable to malicious over-management tacticianiaries and are never *if ever* held responsible.
in western society...suspicion is grounds for further investigation or arrest and suspicion can be manufactured. especially on date site forums which are often practicing either side of the ethical table to earn their own paycheques/promotions.
haven't you heard....the man (white man in particular) in the west must not be trusted. don't talk to strangers.....etc. etc. ...not good for the media and communications industry. but a boon for low end legal tactician moralists with mental preoccupations to avenge the wrongs of society and past. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 4:34:39 PM | ^^^ so now your hobby is babbling?
You're for random meaningless sex or "sex with fewer strings" but you're afraid it's some sort of plot against you? Better yet, a plot against humanity or just the civilized world?
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 4:46:00 PM | ...
no. i did not say i was for random meaningless sex. i profess the contrary. i am now almost returned to virginity. which makes me more tasty a morsel to some strains of political thinkers. yuck.
but holy cow. you women have no idea of the ......of the ahhhh ....of the ahhhhhhhh....
well...let me put it this way. we need to drop the veil. else be hunted by predator economist hangers-on. not a pretty site.
please...express your gratitude for love and freedom to share and let go of the coat of gov't and policing.
this message has been brought to you from the belly of the new world snake.
fortunately. i brought my swiss knife. ....
they hate that ....... | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 4:53:23 PM | some men arent typist that is why they want the phone number...if you ever watched a man hunt and peck you would see their frustration at trying to keep emailing someone. They are doers and talking in most of them's opinion is doing vs writing...they are wanting immediate interaction. You do realize you can block your number from showing and call them if you are uncomfortable with giving out your number. I know that, and I've seen some profiles where the man will say "I can't/hate to type, this is my number call me if your interested and I'll tell you whatever you want to know." But if a man says he's college educated, he'd damned well better be able to type! Even more so if he lists computers as one of his interests.
Besides, the last few I've called since they said they hated typing, were disasters. One hadn't bothered to read my profile in the first place, the other said since I obviously liked what I read about him, he now considered us 'exlusive' - and at the same time logged onto the site where he had a profile. I said sorry, we hadn't even decided whether we even liked each other enough to consider having a cup of coffee together, forget about that exclusive garbage. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 6:52:51 PM | | Some of us went to college when you had to hand write your thesis, then pay someone to type it up. Others can't type because of broken fingers. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 7:27:49 PM | | lmao when I was younger living in Miami as a bartender there was this rich lawyer that would come into the restaurant and sit at the bar the nights I worked, he was always hitting on me. Then I didnt see him for a long time and then he came in with two broken thumbs...i had to cut his meat for him to eat it that night. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 7:40:26 PM |
Some of us went to college when you had to hand write your thesis, then pay someone to type it up. Others can't type because of broken fingers. I'm older than you, and if I'd turned in a college paper that wasn't typed - other than a pop quiz - I'd have gotten an automatic F. Now, there are a number of voice recognition programs that will do whatever one wants, as far as writing on a computer. Anyone who lists computers as an interest should know all about those, they are fairly common. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 7:42:02 PM |
he came in with two broken thumbs...i had to cut his meat for him to eat it that night. Did you ever find out why? Ok I'll play: You get "lucky" a lot or a little. I guess some people do, as there seems to be a "born again ho" movement among the over 40.
The cons: Some never get "lucky" with their lack of caring and respect for others, it can be empty and you will be alone in the end...not to mention the risk for std's that I'm sure have been mentioned 437 times in this thread.  | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 7:44:29 PM | Hey sappireeyes, I lived on Biscayne Blvd in 79! Big Daddies and Triple Tier were the discos we hit.
Kari135 I agree about the emails! A couple emails on an internet dating site has to be expected by them! My fiance types one fingered, but he emailed me for a month before I called him. If someone is interested, they will go out of their way to do what it takes. If they aren't, oh well.
I know that I competed in speech competitions and yet, when it comes to talking to a man on the phone, I would get totally nervous and tongue tied. We all know that you get nervous on the phone. Meeting someone in person is even more nerve wracking. I liked taking my time to get to know someone. It made it so much easier when we met. Emailing gave me something to talk to them about on the phone and hopefully the phone helped give me something to talk to them about in person.
Emailing and talking weeded out the skin hounds. I don't remember ever going out with someone that said that he had to have sex right away to go out with him. Nice guys are out there. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 8:05:30 PM | Lmao Aaamm, I lived in Bay Harbor for about six months and then Sunny Isles..it was 84/85 . Worked at the one of the 4 star restaurant and at the Newport (Holiday Inn Now). I sooooooooo miss the ocean.
I feel you get as much or as little as you put into sex...if you want to use someone there are people out there but it has no appeal to me. The latest thing I think is so many are afraid of any REAL emotionally connection that they prefer to live in some sorta of cyber world, fantasy land type of thing and that to me is very very unfulfilling (no pun intended)
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Former cyber slut :P | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 8:52:15 PM |
I am sorry this happened to you, sorry to hear it ever happens to anyone, and it may be a reason for some women to become less free thinking about sexual behavior. However, I also think others may simply change as we get older, become more discerning, feel that sex without love is not really appealing or satisfying, and so on. I have been lucky, I guess, in that I have never experienced a hit and run man: I've never felt used only for sex. I think in all aspects of life, as I have gotten older, I have become someone who wants to savor things in a deeper and richer way, rather than in a superficial way. This applies to all I do or seek in life, including my approach to sexual intimacy.
I've seen the claim of "hit and run" many times. I think it's probably confirmation bias. (I know that the women who claim it happens refuse to look at the possibility of confirmation bias, which I think makes it more likely.)
A man and woman meet, and they have sex, and he loses interest. The woman obviously does not want to believe that he lost interest because he doesn't like her. So she decides that he used her for sex. This seems consistent with her pre-existing concept that all men are scum.
It never actually occurs to her that the men didn't come back for a second date because she insulted him quite enough on the first date. It never occurs to her that he may have had sex with her looking for some connection that didn't pan out. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 8:52:45 PM | I would not want to date someone who was with multiple partners at the same time he was dating me. As for exploring options, I think it's an individual decision reserved for mature adults.
I also believe that the cons of promiscuity are increased when youth - especially young girls - do so in order to be popular during their early teen years. I do not believe that most are emotionally equipped to handle the experience -- particularly when they are trying to 'buy' a boys love.
Such teens often grow up to be women with many unresolved issues regarding sex, relationships, and rejection which can last a lifetime. | |
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| Promiscuity ~~ Pros and Cons Posted: 11/3/2009 9:59:07 PM |
It never actually occurs to her that the men didn't come back for a second date because she insulted him quite enough on the first date. It never occurs to her that he may have had sex with her looking for some connection that didn't pan out.
Dude, if a woman insulted you ENOUGH on the first date...why the heck would you stick your****in her? Seriously...where is your self-respect! | |
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