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 Stinker*Belle

Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 26
What Kind Of Heretic Are You, Anyway?
Posted: 4/22/2008 10:57:51 AM

I think that's an unfair judgment against Mr. Gibson. What a person says while he's drunk is not entirely under his free will. By judging him for that, you're effectively doing the same thing you are apparently accusing the Catholic Church of doing (judging people by things which are against their will).

Not true.

There are certain things that would never come out of my mouth ever, whether i was drunk, drugged or asleep EVER. You simply DO NOT say things that have never entered your mind when you are drunk.

Oh and as for Gibson's apology, I am surprised that someone who is obviously extremely intelligent (you lol) that you cannot see that he was desperate to save his career after his comments. He HAD to make that apology or his career would have been over.

It also surprises me that you cannot acknowledge that guilt and Catholics has been linked for centuries, i'm not saying that YOU should therefore feel guilt but to try and say they aren't linked seems really strange.

I am a spiritualist who believes that Jesus did in fact exist and is the Son of God, but i also believe that the Bible was written by a bunch of people who thought they knew what was right but a lot of them clearly didn't. I also have noticed that the Old Testament was "Jewish" in its teachings and the New Testament became more anti-Semitic with the rise of the Roman Empire.
 Jacobus101

Joined: 12/30/2007
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Posted: 4/22/2008 11:19:07 AM
FoxyIsBack:


There are certain things that would never come out of my mouth ever, whether i was drunk, drugged or asleep EVER. You simply DO NOT say things that have never entered your mind when you are drunk.


I've said some pretty bad off-the-cuff remarks about various racial and religious groups in the past, including my own, especially when being wronged by a member of that particular group. But, when logic and reason come back into play, I'm not actually prejudiced against members of other races or religions.



Oh and as for Gibson's apology, I am surprised that someone who is obviously extremely intelligent (you lol) that you cannot see that he was desperate to save his career after his comments. He HAD to make that apology or his career would have been over.


Of course. That doesn't mean it's not sincere. I generally take people's words sincerely unless it's obvious that they're lying. Maybe I just look at people optimistically.


It also surprises me that you cannot acknowledge that guilt and Catholics has been linked for centuries, i'm not saying that YOU should therefore feel guilt but to try and say they aren't linked seems really strange.


They may be linked because of historical or cultural circumstances, but it doesn't follow that the Catholic faith actually teaches "Catholic guilt". Such a mentality appears nowhere in the writings of the Popes (for example).

It could be defined as "Scrupulosity" (worrying about sins which are not actually sins), and the Catholic faith has always taught against that. I would reference the Catholic Encyclopedia's article on Scruples. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13640a.htm


Scruple

(Latin Scrupulus, "a small sharp, or pointed, stone", hence, in a transferred sense, "uneasiness of mind")

An unfounded apprehension and consequently unwarranted fear that something is a sin which, as a matter of fact, is not. It is not considered here so much as an isolated act, but rather as an habitual state of mind known to directors of souls as a "scrupulous conscience." St. Alphonsus describes it as a condition in which one influenced by trifling reasons, and without any solid foundation, is often afraid that sin lies where it really does not. This anxiety may be entertained not only with regard to what is to be done presently, but also with regard to what has been done. The idea sometimes obtaining, that scrupulosity is in itself a spiritual benefit of some sort, is, of course, a great error. The providence of God permits it and can gather good from it as from other forms of evil. That apart, however, it is a bad habit doing harm, sometimes grievously, to body and soul. Indeed, persisted in with the obstinacy characteristic of persons who suffer from this malady, it may entail the most lamentable consequences. The judgment is seriously warped, the moral power tired out in futile combat, and then not unfrequently the scrupulous person makes shipwreck of salvation either on the Scylla of despair or the Charybdis of unheeding indulgence in vice.
 clarence clutterbuck

Joined: 4/13/2008
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Posted: 4/22/2008 11:38:08 AM
As an uninvolved armchair critic, I must say Mel Gibsons' words read as very contrite and sincere. He should be given the benefit of the doubt. I do think it's a bit of a b*st*rd though when you cannot shoot your mouth off whilst inebriated without your words being splashed all over the papers.

On second thoughts, forget that. He deserves it after all those sh*t films. I hate all that Lethal Weapon gun toting tough guy with a mullet crap...
 clarence clutterbuck

Joined: 4/13/2008
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Posted: 4/22/2008 12:03:10 PM
I wonder if anti semitism is due to a kind of rivalry? The Jews were after all YAHWEH's pet project - his favourites. We've hi jacked their tribal god and are trying to replace them in his affections. Please feel free to say if I'm talking rubbish..... I am talking rubbish.

Again...
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