| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 8/31/2009 7:36:08 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
well said 
pity theyre few and far between
possoutofexile,
Your a Christian lady with strong Christian values and beliefs.
food for thought
anyway im bored now ,ct when you turn 18 go down to the nearest bar and have a scotch, it will put some hairs on your chest, you need them lmao
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 8/31/2009 11:07:43 PM |
this particularly highlights that you take comments as a personal slight when none was meant
Hmm seems to me that the only one playing the chicken and egg game is not me. No slight was taken. Just expressing opinion. As for the knocking men bit....sorry but language both verbally and written seems to be more a female domain regardless of education or intelligence...so get a below average intelligent male with lesser communication skills and a chauvenistic attitude, one encounters problems especially if you are an above intelligent, higher level of communication skills and reasonably acute observations skills and worst of all female to boot...I think I said UG.
As for UG as opposed to UGH.....I did mean UG as in caveman lingo...UGH as in Yuck, as in a reaction to being revolted was not written nor implied.
Am with Soulmate on intelligence being innate and no matter how good or high the level of education without the innate intelligence it is merely gilded polish. An indigenous friend of mine left school at 14 and had not attended much beforehand. There is no doubt she is in the top 5% of intelligence and is a joy and challenge to converse with. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 9/1/2009 3:35:46 AM |
Your a Christian lady with strong Christian values and beliefs.
Yep... So now you can relax, step aside and put down that gavel, its all under control.... | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 9/1/2009 5:12:54 AM |
language both verbally and written seems to be more a female domain regardless of education or intelligence
absolutely!!!!! orators, poets, debators, authors, many more women than men
Im humbled in the presence of such an enlightening revelation, CT you may as well give up now and resign, if you are a male, there is no future in words for you. I'll lend you a hammer mate you can come and build stuff, get in your place and be a tradie. Its either that or grow a pair of boobies and get that funny pointy thing swapped out for a receptical. :sarcasm:
As for the non "Emeritus Professors of English Literature" males in the world we should just leave it to the "fairer sex", as we have nothing to offer that obviously hasnt been thought of.
Ugh is an onomatopoeic representation of an aspirated sigh or gasp, used as an interjection to express disgust, horror, repugnance, annoyance, boredom, or tiredness - Wikipedia
seemed appropriate in interpretation of your meaning towards men...I think you should join a chess club
seriously guilty but poetry is no longer fiscally viable as a means to make a living
I know a lot of very succesful muso's that would kind of disagree, I would have thought that if the talent was obvious then sucess would naturally follow. Pam Ayres did ok...lol
Perhaps literacy snobbery is just a symptom and doesnt stop at literacy.....
the measure of the man isnt where he puts the "dots" its whether you smile inside when you read the intent of the words.........
oh well off to the pub, Perth is such a lovely town.............. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 9/1/2009 5:55:08 AM | Ooooh, after a long and boring day reading abstracts from literature searches, this thread has provided much light relief, nevertheless I'm not buying into the cat fight. Coming back to OP's question:
When you read someone's profile, do you instantly dismiss them because of spelling/grammatical errors?
Does it make you think less of them?
Does "being educated" mean you're a better person?
If someone had a great pic, cool interests, but didn't use punctuation or spellcheck, would you still contact them?
My answers are: Yes, No, No, and No. I'm with you, Mo (msg 101) except that I'm probably a little less generous in cutting slack on the profile. Every public library these days has computers with standard off-the-shelf word processing installed that will do a spell and grammar check. So no excuse.
I would cut a lot of slack for an illiterate person who had the courage to declare himself to be so - or for a migrant; they're probably the only two exceptions. My 75 year old plumber is a case in point: "Daling, when you come for diner? Come any time. We love and respect you allways." I don't believe that a profile riddled with spelling / grammatical errors necessarily indicates lack of intelligence or formal education but it suggests the person is either lazy or doesn't care. Similarly a profile that's free of errors doesn't suggest the writer is going to be a great person either; he may turn out to be a prize-winning, knit-picky jerk that will drive me loopy. It's just that he has a head start on a man who doesn't care.
Oh - and Hagars, msg 43:
I cdnuolt blveiee that I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd what I was rdanieg. ...
Cambridge University never conducted that study; just another fiction perpetuated by the web.  | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 9/1/2009 7:28:37 AM | I am surprised that this many posts fit in here with all the space being taken up by the egos on display.
Thanks Naamah / Grey
this particularly highlights that you take comments as a personal slight when none was meant
Interesting that you assume that someone who merely disagrees with your post has taken what you said as a personal slight. Your earlier comments about people "blowing out their ar$e" and being "up themselves" weren't directed at me, and therefore whilst I could not have possibly taken them as a personal slight, I did find them aggressive...unnecessarily so, I thought...lending an arrogant air to the entire post. I felt like saying so at the time, so I did. Beyond that I kinda got bored and wandered off.... | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 8:23:25 AM |
As for getting a message on here, I tend to focus on the content as to value, if its not rude or invasive, but forthcoming and portrays pleasant traits then its coooool
I can see how this comment would be presumed arrogant, and aggressive
Keep smiling | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 11:53:15 AM | As per norm a lot of prejudice thrown around in a post, even though most of it is light hearted there are a lot of underlying conotations going on,, The forums havent changed in the 12 years ive been coming here, starts off light , then you get usually one with a chip and something to prove and the crap starts, mines bigger no,,mines bigger, comes back to semantics on how people behave when theyre online, you dont need to think about it much to work out a persons personality.
Robbbyg
ps; i wasnt talking about you | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 9/1/2009 1:36:29 PM | Others graphically display the lack of thought that went into the composition
If you're like me, and I know I am, I wouldn't be wasting my 'composition' not to mention 'thought' on Plenty Of if I possesed the obvious prowess as some posters have here. Literacy simpletons are seen as drive by posters sometimes because we don't put as much time and weight into these posts.
I'm a performing artist (not by trade) and believe that writing is the most pure form of expression. I admire those that show true talent of artistry on here more than envy it. Some I would analagize as a talent such as a Bob Dylan busking on a corner instead of taking his talent to where it could do some real good. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 9:14:37 PM | [When you read someone's profile, do you instantly dismiss them because of spelling/grammatical errors?
Does it make you think less of them?]
I actually had a guy on this list block me because of my spelling. | |
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Posted: 9/2/2009 1:12:17 AM |
heh heh ^^^ "Do you glow in the dark ?" Yup... and during the day too...
Ohh for the love of all things scared... there are no fluroescent crabs.... it was nuclear fallout... no altars... no piety... no lotus to be seen here...
move along.... although... cult... beings... are easily lead...brainwise...
although the self described falic metophor... would lead my pea brain.. to think of the eiffel tower lit up in all it's glory...... not during the day though... this is clearly... nuclear fallout....crabs are not demi gods....
as for the ode... well I don't know how anybody elses furniture reacted......
but my grandmas.. red cedar table.. went a deeper shade of red..
it felt.. like its core grain had been penetrated.. on a soul level.. of existance.... it felt naked/...bare....... exposed.... to the extent... I had to put a table cloth over it...
because even though it has an outter protection/covering... it is transparent/glass...
that does not cover /protect...yes a nana table cloth.. will suffice./....
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 9/2/2009 3:24:39 AM | When I started reading this thread, I thought 'yes! I am a literacy snob and proud of it!'. In my profile, I even state that I prefer someone who can articulate words well. Like many others in this forum thread, I am attracted to a well written profile and turned off by too many spelling mistakes or even worse - incorrect punctuation or grammatically incorrect.
In some ways this may be judgmental of those that do not have an education. But I do not judge the odd mistake. It is when the profile is clearly not thoughtfully written or has too little content. Such as 'if you wanna know something.... ask'. Well my answer to that is 'I am not going to waste my time asking when you can't make an effort to say a little something about yourself.'
I do not have a degree, but I am working through one. I practically failed my HSC -but I am far from stupid. I wanted more for myself and was self driven to achieve what was then an enourmous feat. So, those that write well - either due to being formally educated or not, show that they make an EFFORT.
My thirst for self improvement and knowledge, attracts me to others who are the same. There are many intelligent people who cannot write - but unfortunately, when using sites like these that are text based, our initial impressions come from the words we read in each other's profile. Those that are smart but illiterate in some way, should be smart enough to have someone help them write their profile. Just as you would if you were to write a resume for a job. In fact, I think a profile should be taken as seriously as though you are applying for a job. Well maybe not AS serious, but I can tell you that those that make an effort, show that they are responsible, organised and smart.
Many of my friends talk/type in slang/code so that I have to keep asking them what they are talking about. It is extremely frustrating, but in person (face to face) I find them to be awesome people. So this leads me to wonder if I shouldn't fob off less than well written profiles.
But where do you draw the line? some people go for blondes, or dark skinned, or people of a certain weight or height. How is that any different to preferring those who write well? | |
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Posted: 9/4/2009 7:36:17 AM | Absolutely!!!!! orators, poets, debators, authors, many more women than men
arghhh can't believe I am doing this...what an ignorance of history. There is a magazine that is specifically for women poets...it is called myslexia...which is an inability to get into print due to the fact that most publishers etc are men despite the fact that in school it is girls that predominately excell in english....it is a cultural, historical precedent that is changing.
lyrics and poetry are different...and sod off about Bob Dylan lol he can't sing for nuts and very few of his songs would survive without the tune. In fact a lot of songs are bloody awful rhyming doderal when spoken and full of cliches.
I'm off to the coffee and book shop to play three dimensional chess | |
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Posted: 9/4/2009 8:06:46 AM |
But where do you draw the line? some people go for blondes, or dark skinned, or people of a certain weight or height. How is that any different to preferring those who write well? If I prefered a certain hair colour, or skin tone because I thought they were more intellegent, not because I find them more attractive, where is the harm in that?
There are quite alot of intelligent people who havent had the same opportunities in life as far as education, nor do they have the same goals, so in they end may not have the same literacy levels, some just have totally different priorities in life, who is to say that their goals aren't a little more worthwhile.
My profile is very short these days, because as far as I am concerned I would rather someone got to know me in person. As for most of the people Ive spoken to or met, what they have written in their profile has very little to do with how I see them. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 5:42:44 AM | Oh how I long to be a literacy snob, to spot the spelling and grammatical errors on the profiles of others; what a glorious gift that would be. To be able to look down upon those who confuse their and there, or sort and sought and don’t get me started on the use of two, to and too, which remain an impenetrable mystery to me.
To be illiterate, to be an illiterate adult, I know from experience, is to wander in a shadow land of ignorance and that to escape, through the kindness of strangers, into the broad and sunlit up lands of literacy is a blessing and a joy that can only be imagined by those to whom literacy has come relatively early and easily or sadly, not at all.
It is possible to imagine the modern world without telephones or motorcars but is impossible to conceive of it without mass literacy and inexpensive printing and as a consequence of that to be illiterate leaves you out of place and time, a stranger in a strange land for you have been born among the English speaking people but you are not really one of them. You cannot do what others do, you cannot learn what others learn, you cannot understand in the way that others understand because you have been cut off from the bedrock of your language which informs all other writing and provides the context and perspective from which all other writing is intended to be understood.
As I read back through this thread I recognise not only reflections of my own previous selves but others of all the kinds that I have meet along the way, from those long ago days when I use to have to write upon my arm the details that I needed to fill out a form, to get a job sweeping the floor.
The gifted, those that love language, those for whom the book is the centre of the day, they were my saviours and my inspiration, women all from whom the quality of mercy was never strained. They picked me up, encouraged me, comforted me and taught me what they could and then sent me on my way, to becoming an extraordinarily irritating autodidactic in desperate need of the discipline and humility that proceeds from formal education. 
I recognise that special combination of unsuspected ignorance combined with absolute confidence that distinguishes the autodidactic from those who have been fortuned with a formal education. They are here in all there splendid varieties, those that have reached the mountain top, those who are upon the brink of making their final assault and those whose references suggest that while they are possessed of the love of learning their reach is well beyond their grasp but then what is heaven for.
But sadly I also recognise the brutish scribblers; barely literate themselves from whose ranks were drawn the army of my tormentors. Those whose disdain for the literate and the learned is a patina which clocks a well founded sense of inferiority, a want of self-esteem, a life sapping canker the consequences of which they will seek to ameliorate by humiliating those even less fortunate then themselves given any opportunity.
Am I a literacy snob, yes of course I am, as are all humans, it is language both written and spoken through which we know each other, through which we measure each other’s perspicacity through which we enjoy each other and understand each other. It is hard to imagine what it would mean to have a relationship with someone with whom you could not communicate or with whom you did not enjoy communicating, a someone with whom intellectual and emotional intimacy were just quite simply impossible. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 6:48:23 AM | ^^^ You are an inspiration Scholar, with every right to be proud of your hard-earned literacy. Good on you for not letting disadvantages, difficulties or detractors prevent you from your chance to get to the stage where you can convey your thoughts to that degree and with such flair and passion. Thank you for posting something so beautiful to read. 
And thank the gods of literacy that you didn't have to write all that on your arm, or you'd probably keel over from ink poisoning. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2009 1:15:07 AM |
It is hard to imagine what it would mean to have a relationship with someone with whom you could not communicate or with whom you did not enjoy communicating, a someone with whom intellectual and emotional intimacy were just quite simply impossible.
Okay that's it! I give up all pretence  and apart from a couple of spelling errors which is neither here nor there but 'their', a common mistake especially when composing and writing simultaneously. Mr Scholar I agree with Naamah.
Msg 115 as for women poets....glad you have forgotten Pam Ayres...as we all have. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2009 1:58:35 AM | The way I see it only thick people have issues with literacy and its the same all through life. Only poor people have issues with rich people, only fat people have issues with thin people and only ugly people have issues with beautiful people.......its just envy and disliking anyone who has traits that you wish you had, but don't.
Imagine how unpopular a rich, beautiful, thin person who could also spell would be......trust me...its rough! | |
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Posted: 9/9/2009 5:32:07 PM | Hilly, do you mean that you don't have to use a spell check when you are posting on here, well......thats just not cricket.
Although you actually do make sense as well. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 9/10/2009 12:46:11 AM | Literacy is essential ... if that's a criteria you value, and there's nothing wrong with it.
There is also a difference between someone that's illiterate but strives to better
themselves by learning, compared to someone who writes like a dumbbell and is
actually "proud" of it. I see the latter mindset all too often---the fractured words, the
gutter, ghetto spelling, the crude language apparently used for shock effect or ego
thumping ("Look how 'baaaad' I am"). I have no use for those types. And I don't feel
I need to have to defend myself or apologize or be politically correct in saying so.
There's nothing superior or snobbish about wanting someone to express themselves
coherently and intelligently. | |
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Posted: 9/10/2009 1:31:02 AM |
Hilly, do you mean that you don't have to use a spell check when you are posting on here,
I don't actually have spell check....if I knew how to get it, I would use it...but no....my spelling errors are all my own.
How do you get it by the way?.....someone...anyone!!  | |
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Posted: 9/10/2009 2:28:20 AM | Just write your post in Microsoft word (With language set to AUSTRALIAN!!!) then perform a spell check like that... then simply copy and paste...
Or read alot, then spelling and grammar come naturally and you can simply post in the reply-to-thread part  | |
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Posted: 9/10/2009 2:45:59 AM | | Hilly, I wondered the same thing for years. People would mention spell check and I always wondered what the hell they were talking about. Then last year I switched to Firefox instead of Internet Explorer...and voila...you will have spellcheck work automatically when you write a post. (You already have Firefox on your computer...you just need to get with the programme and use it. ) From what I gather it also cuts out a lot of the annoying ad's on the site....dunno, cos I never use Explorer anymore cos I'm an internet browser snob. | |
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| Are you a literacy snob?
Posted: 9/10/2009 3:32:17 AM | | yup Firefox is good, it has some pretty cool "add ins" if you go for that kind of stuff....lol | |
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