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Posted: 4/22/2008 4:49:36 AM | You our a very closed minded person. Is that all you can come up with.... What a Mr. Bush. Here's a great way to explain to you what your wonderful person is... READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT YOUR CMMENTS:
"Dear Mr. President"
(feat. Indigo Girls)
Dear Mr. President,
Come take a walk with me.
Let's pretend we're just two people and
You're not better than me.
I'd like to ask you some questions if we can speak honestly.
What do you feel when you see all the homeless on the street?
Who do you pray for at night before you go to sleep?
What do you feel when you look in the mirror?
Are you proud?
How do you sleep while the rest of us cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye
And tell me why?
Dear Mr. President,
Were you a lonely boy?
Are you a lonely boy?
Are you a lonely boy?
How can you say
No child is left behind?
We're not dumb and we're not blind.
They're all sitting in your cells
While you pave the road to hell.
What kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away?
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay?
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say
You've come a long way from whiskey and cocaine.
How do you sleep while the rest of us cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye?
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Minimum wage with a baby on the way
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Rebuilding your house after the bombs took them away
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Building a bed out of a cardboard box
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
You don't know nothing 'bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
Oh
How do you sleep at night?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Dear Mr. President,
You'd never take a walk with me.
Would you? | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 4:50:47 AM | This is for all the people who think President Bush is a great president... read on....
"Dear Mr. President"
(feat. Indigo Girls)
Dear Mr. President,
Come take a walk with me.
Let's pretend we're just two people and
You're not better than me.
I'd like to ask you some questions if we can speak honestly.
What do you feel when you see all the homeless on the street?
Who do you pray for at night before you go to sleep?
What do you feel when you look in the mirror?
Are you proud?
How do you sleep while the rest of us cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye
And tell me why?
Dear Mr. President,
Were you a lonely boy?
Are you a lonely boy?
Are you a lonely boy?
How can you say
No child is left behind?
We're not dumb and we're not blind.
They're all sitting in your cells
While you pave the road to hell.
What kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away?
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay?
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say
You've come a long way from whiskey and cocaine.
How do you sleep while the rest of us cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye?
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Minimum wage with a baby on the way
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Rebuilding your house after the bombs took them away
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Building a bed out of a cardboard box
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
You don't know nothing 'bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
Oh
How do you sleep at night?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Dear Mr. President,
You'd never take a walk with me.
Would you? | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 5:14:51 AM | | I doubt MLK would have taken the job. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 6:00:49 AM |
A local town just passed an ordinance that there is no smoking allowed in bars, why? "because they knew they could get the "DEMOCRATIC" votes of the 50.1% nonsmokers to rear up against the 49.9%.
Mob rule.
No.
Corporate rule.
When one industry could no longer benefit, another stepped in to take it's place. Big pharma took over from the cigarette companies, and started backing "grassroots" organizations to ban smoking - thus reaping a fortune in selling yet another set of drugs to an addicted nation. Look at how much cash those "stop smoking aids" make for them, and do some research on their "behind the scenes" work.
On the Serengeti Plains of capitalism, there's never a shortage of lions.  | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 8:20:20 AM | | why did that woman just post like 9 rants in a row? | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 8:31:36 AM | Well, she did three posts...and one was a double post. We've all had our share of those. 
Back on topic, just watch that RFK speech in Indianapolis, Indiana when MLK was shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPYNb4ex6Ko
Both Mankiewicz and speechwriter Adam Walinsky drafted notes immediately before the rally for Kennedy's use, but Kennedy refused Walinsky's notes, instead using some that he had likely written on the ride over; Mankiewicz arrived after Kennedy had already begun to speak. Right before arriving at the rally the Chief of Police in Indianapolis told Kennedy that he could not provide protection and that giving the remarks would be too dangerous, but Kennedy decided to go ahead regardless. Standing on a podium mounted on flatbed truck, Kennedy spoke for just four minutes and fifty-seven seconds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy's_speech_on_the_assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.
That's one of the most masterful pieces of American rhetoric ever done. Essentially speaking from his heart, on the back of a truck. and aware the police could not protect him - he stood alone to tell a crowd of overwhelmingly African-Americas the worse news possible.
That ranks up there with the Gettysburg Address, for me, in terms of it's vision and brevity.
They'd come to hear him speak....and had no idea yet.
That night, when fires raged across America, Indianapolis was peaceful.
How many politicians would do that today ?
How many COULD do that today ?
That's what America lost.....  | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 8:55:40 AM | the kennedy's certainly were well groomed androids with excellent people writing their words for them. as for powerful and visionary speeches, I submit for your approval.
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope that it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen, if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve.
This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty towards the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?
For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth -- to know the worst and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House?
Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation -- the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motives for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies?
No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer on the subject? Nothing.
We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves longer.
Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament.
Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope.
If we wish to be free -- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending -- if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak -- unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?
Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us.
The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable -- and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come!
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
Patrick Henry - March 23, 1775 | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 10:19:11 AM | | And your point is? | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 10:38:01 AM | --That ranks up there with the Gettysburg Address, for me, in terms of it's vision and brevity.
They'd come to hear him speak....and had no idea yet.
That night, when fires raged across America, Indianapolis was peaceful.
How many politicians would do that today ?
How many COULD do that today ?
That's what America lost..... 
Robert Kennedy was an outstanding American .The kinda of American that you want to see and look for but never can. The Kennedys were the best of America although what went before was not too bad . But that was the golden peak of Americana at its zenith .
Steady slide into cowboy operaters ever since .
I know we all have opinions but the Kennedys are extremely well recieved in the world and America broke the mould after them . When his brother was brought back from Dallas...........that family showed amazing courage in adversity in full glare of the world and at great risk to their person.
My father pointed out the natural and great compassion of Robert Kennedy and I see it. Its really touching how he clambers aboard Air Force 1 to be near his brother's body as he arrived back in Washington. He was also the instrument of enforcing the de-segragation process .
I don't think America realises what totally awesome men these were................it just shows the slide into slime is complete but I truly hope not .
Inside those 2 years they showed America at its finest .....................
...................... your finest Americans . | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 6:33:49 AM | Just think of RFK's last words, after he had been shot. One minute, he's standing there in victory at the podium in front of a cheering crowd of people that love him , and then out of nowhere.... a gunman yells " Kennedy, you son of a ****..."
He's shot multiple times, and collapses to the floor.
His last words ?
"Is everybody all right?"
Mortally wounded, and yet he still showed his concern for others. 
Had he been elected, we might not even recognize the world today. That question, "what if" , was asked to people who knew him when PBS did a program on him.
You can find the answers here :
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/rfk/sfeature/sf_what.html
"He was 42 when he was killed. He was just finding his own voice... I think he would have been elected in '68. And I think Robert Kennedy in the Whit
e House, instead of Richard Nixon, is day and night. We would not have had years more of death in Southeast Asia. We would not have had Watergate. We would not have had a crook as vice president, like [Spiro] Agnew. We would not have overthrown the democratically elected government of Chile. The world would have been very different, if not for the veto of a gunman.
We'll never know how his mix of radical ideas, and somewhat conservative personal values -- of self-sacrifice, and self-discipline, and stoicism, and patriotism -- how that would ever play out in power... Would he really have gotten us out of Vietnam?... Would he really have dealt with poverty and racism in the cities? He was a singular figure, who was cheated out of his chance to test his ideas, and his values in the White House."
Jack Newfield
journalist
By April 30, 1969, a little less than a year after his death, 33,641 American troops had already died in Vietnam. God only knows how many Vietnamese had died by that point.
The "secret war" in Cambodia began in 1969.
Six years later, April 30, 1975, the last ten Marines in country lift off from that Saigon embassy roof.
58,256 names of the dead are etched on the Vietnam Memorial wall.
That's roughly 24, 700 Americans who died after that date of April 30th, 1969.
http://thewall-usa.com/information.asp
The average age of the majority of those names on that wall ?
Somewhere between 20-22 years old...
http://www.archives.gov/research/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics.html
What if, indeed..... | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 7:05:35 AM | even younger. the average age of the vietnam soldier was 19. paul hardcastle did a song in the 80's called 19 about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSGvqjVHik8 | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 7:29:15 AM | I was referring to the ones who died, and the implications of their lives cut short.
Those men would now be in their early sixties today, had they lived. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 7:32:53 AM | | ahhh, gotcha. war sucks. I have two friends from high school that died in iraq. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 12:18:22 PM | Thing with Robert Kennedy is that he was tough and compassionate at the same time.
Very passionate in all he did and extremely young when taking on the toughest jobs any politician could.He was a president in waiting .All through the Cuban crisis,civil rights and union hearings he was in his 30's and confronting the meanest jobs and the most cunning and ruthless people. At his brothers side when staring down the abyss and making the right decisions and coming up trumps without a shot being fired . So where Carter was a compassionate man and a good one.....he could be bullied where RFK couldn't .Kennedy had passion and courage .
It maybe shows how idealistics these two were in that they were both eleminated .They confronted injustice . Now its a case of...........elect me so that I can be famous for my 4 years in the WH and reap millions for selling my story later . .
Its a measure of the men and their idealism in that although they were of a Ivy League background .....they reached out to the common man and downtrodden . We get rubbish politicians as well..lol......just like America but America has the edge on us in that ours are more of the middle road....none too disgusting and none too great apart from Churchill...................you have the Kennedys who can surpass anybody you can name ................and then nothing but slimeballs afterwards . So the contrast is stark and the loss greater. The essence of America was lost on their passing. My father would place them on par with Churchill for their power of speech and leadership qualities and that only on 2 years to judge by .
These 3 today think that answering a question in a smart alec fashion is a winner or they pout in being asked too difficult a question.....yet the likes of Robert Kennedy was making tremendous decisions with JFK on winning the war of nerves ,minds ,hearts and the Cuban Crisis against the Russians and I believe he was then something like 36 .
Anyway....its good to know that RFK is percieved the same way as he is over here and good to see the links posted . | |
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