| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/11/2009 10:38:09 AM | wow uhm..
first off it is rape if the other persons did not consent to sexual activity. (Learned that on CSI HAHA..and common sense..) anyway Consent was given..drunk or sober it doesn't matter...I saw a youtube video the other night of a drunk female in a police station that was actually seducing the policemen there and they did sexually touch her, however they were not charged because she participated (gave consent) with the following actions. It was a news recording. Anyway..that is an example. However your human morale will come into play the "rights" and "wrongs" and the consequence followed by your choice. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/11/2009 10:39:46 AM |
When you are drunk you are impaired, end of story. Doesn't matter if you are a little drunk or a lot drunk, you are still impaired--trying to justify bad behavior with twisted logic doesn't work either.
So why are drunk drivers held responsible for their actions when they killed someone in a car wreck?
In my opinion, if you go to a bar and drink, you're accepting that you're impairing yourself and all the bad decisions you might make while being impaired. If you don't want to be taken home by some dude when you're drunk - Don't drink at a bar. And what does that mean to a guy who's had some drinks, then screws a drunk chick? Is it still rape if he was drunk, or had something to drink too? | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/11/2009 12:13:08 PM | | While she expressed consent, rape under definition of the LAW includes taking advantage when someone is drunk because they cannot legally consent while intoxicated-if someoen talked you into signing over your house while you were drunk-would you want to claim the alcohol made you less than effective in your judgement and try to get it back? Well you can't take back sex or its consequences. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/12/2009 12:16:25 AM |
Why would you do this under ANY circumstance? Can't you get a woman who is SOBER? This is CRAZY!
Try finding a single woman that's sober in any of the normal weekend hang outs. Face it, this society loves drinking to excess.
You said ................ Of course, many women like being able to say "It was the alcohol." when they give in to their desires.
So, I commented that it isn't just woman that do this. I never said you said only..........but your statement is directed at women.......Is it not? I think both genders have used the "it was the alcohol that made me do" BS If you want to drink and act stupid........take a baby sitter with you are take accountability for your actions.....that goes for males and females.
I agree with the main points you have. I think it's your responsibility male or female to with stay sober or just accept the consequences of drinking. However, the point of this thread is being accused/convicted of rape if you take home a drunk person.
Honestly, how likely is it you think a woman is going to be accused of raping a man? Infact the language of this crap kinda discounts men from using it again women. So in the context of this thread alone, it's really not all that bad. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/12/2009 12:22:34 AM | | My buddy just went to court for some shit like this.......the dumb **** almost got him into jail until one of her friends testified that she saw them in the room, she gave consent, and she had a previous history of accusing guys of rape and parties......sick world we live in. Innocent guy almost goes to jail because of some drunk whore | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/12/2009 4:29:04 AM | "I love the double standards women here have
It's rape if she's drunk
But not rape if he's drunk.
I need to go sniff some glue so this logic can actually make sense to me. "
Dude, before you go calling male victimization, take a look at the title of this post. It ASSUMES that a man is the one who initiated the encounter.
There is a reason you don't often see women posting things like... "So if I take home a drunk guy and sleep with him, is it rape?"
It's because there are guys looking for an easy lay, and you don't often find women with the same mentality, just trying to get a body to use/the most they can out of a situation. Who initiated the encounter, and how, DOES make some difference in how cases like these play out in court, if they go there... | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/12/2009 6:31:19 PM |
Dude, before you go calling male victimization, take a look at the title of this post. It ASSUMES that a man is the one who initiated the encounter.
There is a reason you don't often see women posting things like... "So if I take home a drunk guy and sleep with him, is it rape?"
It's because there are guys looking for an easy lay, and you don't often find women with the same mentality, just trying to get a body to use/the most they can out of a situation. Who initiated the encounter, and how, DOES make some difference in how cases like these play out in court, if they go there...
Dear Clueless:
Way to generalize genders with old stereotypes that do not apply in today's world. It's no longer 1950. And if the man is drunk some fat chick should be happy he is willing to stoop to her level. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/12/2009 6:55:01 PM | | it depends what they look like sober id b annoyed if he was hot n i couldnt remember it or if he was minging id call a taxi n run lol!!!!! no seriously though if they cant handle there drink dont drink so much if u willingly went home with some1 wasted tough get over it we all make mistakes and i bet these ****es that cry rape go and get wasted the next weekend and do it again n again, trouble is ppl are getting sent to prison for sumit they didnt do my advice guys stay away from drunk women it aint worth the risk x | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/12/2009 7:54:12 PM | You know, there's a really simple way to find a solution to this question. If you, are not sure, if having sex with a woman while she is drunk, is rape or not... try NOT taking her home when she's drunk and having sex with her.
Find a girl who's NOT drunk, and take her home instead.
Problem solved.
You seem like a good guy, but alcohol does funny things to women, and women tend to regret drunk sex much more then men do. If you're worried someone could bring charges against you in the future, DON'T do it again. Cover your own ass, by NOT doing it in the first place.
I've had male friends who were falsely accused of rape, due to this exact type of situation. I don't want drunk women getting taken advantage of but I don't want men getting falsely accused of rape either if it was really just drunken sex. Sex under the influence, is NEVER a good idea, for EITHER of you.
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/12/2009 9:28:47 PM |
Find a girl who's NOT drunk, and take her home instead.
Problem solved.
Did you just attempt to solve a problem with another problem? Seriously, I put it to you to get out on the social scene and find a girl who's not drunk. Or a man for that matter.
There's the odd person like me that doesn't drink, but DD's don't count. Unless they're gonna ditch they're buddies for some sex you're out of luck. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/19/2009 3:09:24 PM | I don't know about anyone else, but I really enjoy sex more when we are both cold stone sober. Everything feels more intense and alive. Also, I never have been a fan of kissing a woman whose breath smells like the insider of a vintner's barrel. I also a prefer a woman who is attracted to me when she is sober and not one who has to wait until her beer goggles are firmly in place. Must just be my ego. That said, if she is drunk and not making clear decisions, let it be some other guy who gets slapped with the rape charge. I am far from being so desperate that I have to get them liquored up to bring them home. That is one of the reasons I seldom pick women up in bars. That and because I work in a bar and see on a regular basis what happens and how both of them can end up getting messed up. At least as a bouncer I get to check their ID and make sure that they really are of legal age.  | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/19/2009 7:55:54 PM | | If the girl is unresponsive (can't talk, won't move) um Yeah... It's rape! I'm sorry. But that's a no brainer! Why in God's name would you want to even try it with an unresponsive chick in the 1st place? Who the hell want's a "dead fish fvck" and have to do all the work anyway? Come on! When somebdy is obviously drunk they are not in a position to give consent, period. The best thing to do is... nothing at all. If they want you they will see you again, if not, they didn't want you in the 1st place! | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/19/2009 8:12:45 PM | | In some states, the law says that anyone who is under the influence of alcohol cannot legally consent to sex. So, even if they say yes (or dont say no) if they are drunk, they can't legally say yes. If I were a guy, I wouldn't go within ten feet of a drunk woman. And to reverse it, I wouldn't have sex with a drunk guy. He may want it, but I know that it could be the alcohol talking and I wont be part of anything that someone could regret. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2009 8:18:55 PM |
Did you just attempt to solve a problem with another problem? Seriously, I put it to you to get out on the social scene and find a girl who's not drunk. Or a man for that matter.
There's the odd person like me that doesn't drink, but DD's don't count. Unless they're gonna ditch they're buddies for some sex you're out of luck.
Yea, maybe in your brain this statement is true. Where are you hanging out? You honestly expect me to believe that you can't find sober women, therefore you have no other choice but to f*ck around with drunk ones?
Sounds like you have yourself sold on this "excuse", but you dont have me sold. So, you are sober and hang out with drunk people because you are a DD? Okay, sounds like "loads" of fun to me.
Well, I know a guy who got arrested for having sex with a drunk girl. You dont drink for a reason, therefore I am sure you know how dangerous booze is.
Its statements like yours that make me really really nervous about the types of creeps out on our streets.
WOW. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/19/2009 8:22:06 PM | | I'm not a lawyer so I don't know how the law sees it, but I'll agree with the others and say that it is a morally questionable way to get laid. Better to pursue a woman sober, even if you think you're too ugly to get sex any other way. Nothing like the excited gleam in a sober woman's eyes-! And the wanton passion in her heart and body. Beats the hell out of a slobbering, stammering rag who can barely keep her eyes open. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/19/2009 9:48:46 PM | You DID take advantage as you KNEW she was drunk when you took her home. The fact that she consented as far as you wre aware was just providential for you at the time. She was drunk. You wanted to get laid so what the hey??
Typical. Thinking about yourselves constantly as most of these post confirm.
Simply NEVER take a drunk girl home unless you are a taxi driver or a friend. Make sure she is tucked up and safe from men who would rob her of her rights.
ONLY A Personal opinion but a strong one | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/19/2009 9:53:53 PM | Are you really going to tell me that you think grown adult women need a babysitter so they can get as thrashed as they want (or not in some cases and just claim they couldn't consent) and be literally not held responsible for any of their actions?
I mean the problem isn't that men are taking advantage of women, it's that under the same circumstances with the roles reversed women can't legally take advantage of a man. Somehow he's *always* in control. Seems a little sexist if you ask me.
Oh and I personally have never touched a drunk girl, infact if you look earlier I mentioned that I find heavy drinking highly unattractive. My concern is that women are calling rape on decent men who honestly thought they had her consent. Don't honestly tell me you want someone to hold your hand if you're going to have a few drinks.
If that's the case, maybe you should go back to the kids table. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/19/2009 10:06:09 PM | Is it really impossible to believe that people hate seeing injustice? Hell, it could happen to a friend of mine or my kids some day. It could happen to me too if the woman doesn't actually show any signs of drinking. Plus if she waits a day to report it, you ever think it's her word agaisnt mine that she says she was too drunk to consent and by the time she's tested for blood alcohol level it might not be so "accurate."
Look I'm not saying stuff like this is likely, or the norm. It's possible though. The fact is I know you think men prey on women, period, end of story, that's how it goes and there's no other way about it.
There are some really horrible women out there though and they classify sex offenders all the same, 1 man was so drunk he pulled out his penis in the middle of the street and took a piss. He wasn't too drunk to consent to getting labeled with being a sex offender. However you're asking that any tipsy woman should be able to cry rape because she is clearly a victim? | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/20/2009 8:33:32 PM |
Don't honestly tell me you want someone to hold your hand if you're going to have a few drinks.
Are you really going to tell me that you think grown adult women need a babysitter so they can get as thrashed as they want (or not in some cases and just claim they couldn't consent) and be literally not held responsible for any of their actions?
We (everyone over 21, both genders) have the right to drink and even get drunk. Because one chooses to have a few drinks, maybe even a few too many, does not mean that others can take advantage of that.
Would it be okay for someone to be wasted at the bar and you take their money when they weren't looking? I mean, based on what you write here, they shouldn't need their hands held, so if they leave their cash on the bar and turn their back for a second, would it be okay just to say "oh well, you shouldn't have gotten drunk?" You could still be charged with stealing if you were caught on camera right?
Same difference here. Not saying that in all cases "rape" would apply or stand up in court, but there are plenty of cases where a drunk person could be ready to stagger home (drunk) on their own, and someone sees them and decides in their mind to approach that person and lead them to their car or to a room or something. It's just not right that someone can do that and get away with it. LEAVE THE DRUNKS ALONE PEOPLE, its that simple. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/20/2009 11:12:10 PM | I think there's a big difference between the fantasy world you live in and reality.
For started your example of "Leaving your money on the bar and having it stolen" doesn't even compare.
Something more comparable would be getting drunk and charging your next vacation on your credit card even though you really didn't have the money in the budget for it. It's a really stupid thing to do, but you made the choice drunk or not.
Nobody is stealing your f*cking vagina, you'd have to be passed out. To be quite honest, if you're prone to passing out in bars I'm more likely to tell the world about the moron I saw rather than risk aids by touching you.
I'm sorry, this is 2009, you drink yourself into a stupour and you should be responsible for what happens.
You can have your parade, your song and dance, but the argument you're basically making sounds a lot more like "Women should be allowed to do whatever they want and not be held accountable for their actions, we're equal to men but only in the ways that benefit us."
It's been explained to you multiple times that if both parties are drunk, the man will be accountable for rape. If only the woman is drunk, but barely, the case can be made he's a rapist. If the man is drunk, well lets be honest the only reason a man is going to accuse a woman of sexual assault is if she gave him an STD. I mean you go through the statistics yourself of how many active rape cases against women their are.
Since this law basically only calls into question the ability for women to handle their liquor, rather than turn all man into potential rapists, why not just ban women from drinking? Think about it, you'll never have to worry about men taking advantage of you because you sipped on a drink. I mean isn't pro-active prevention the best solution? Or would you rather risk future rapes?
For clarification, I don't think women should be stripped of the rights they share with men. I think they should accept the same responsibilities, if *anyone* feels they are allowed to put everyone else on the hook for their own actions they need a wake up call. | |
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