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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/20/2009 11:22:46 PM | Find a girl who's NOT drunk, and take her home instead.
Problem solved.
Did you just attempt to solve a problem with another problem?
Ok, how about this.
We create a law that says a woman's consent can only be legally binding if her blood alcohol level is 0.08 or less. Anything higher cannot protect a man in the case of a rape charge.
Then bars can invest in breathalyzers - leave them by the door, perhaps? And men can *check out* a woman they're considering taking home by use of the breathalyzer. A slip with two carbon copies can be printed and signed by both parties, one taken by each, and one stored and filed at the bar.
Problem solved.
OR, we could just all do our best to protect ourselves. I think calling the act of avoiding taking home sloppily drunk women a "problem" is a bit moronic. You have no inalienable right to find a sexual partner. If you want to protect yourself, leave the drunk bimbos at the bar. If you choose to risk it, you'd better be willing to lose it all.
I, for one, don't go out drinking at bars or clubs without wingmen/women (or c*ckblockers, if you will) who KNOW I have no desire to go home with anyone, and would never let that happen. And I do the same for them. Unless I was flat out raped, it ain't gonna happen. That's me protecting MYSELF. I have limited pity for those of either gender who do nothing to protect themselves. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/20/2009 11:26:06 PM | I'm gonna say 1 thing to that. We're not talking about women who probably have blood alcohol poisoning. I'm talking drunk as in, not slurring still standing, maybe a little hyper but nothing you couldn't confuse with a sugar high or a genuinely perky girl.
I'm willing to bet that the farthest anyone went to commenting on girls who are passed out/borderline passed out getting f*cked is when I said I have no sympathy for them, but yes, it's rape. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/21/2009 5:47:27 AM |
I think there's a big difference between the fantasy world you live in and reality.
For started your example of "Leaving your money on the bar and having it stolen" doesn't even compare.
Something more comparable would be getting drunk and charging your next vacation on your credit card even though you really didn't have the money in the budget for it. It's a really stupid thing to do, but you made the choice drunk or not.
Nobody is stealing your f*cking vagina, you'd have to be passed out. To be quite honest, if you're prone to passing out in bars I'm more likely to tell the world about the moron I saw rather than risk aids by touching you.
I'm sorry, this is 2009, you drink yourself into a stupour and you should be responsible for what happens.
You can have your parade, your song and dance, but the argument you're basically making sounds a lot more like "Women should be allowed to do whatever they want and not be held accountable for their actions, we're equal to men but only in the ways that benefit us."
It's been explained to you multiple times that if both parties are drunk, the man will be accountable for rape. If only the woman is drunk, but barely, the case can be made he's a rapist. If the man is drunk, well lets be honest the only reason a man is going to accuse a woman of sexual assault is if she gave him an STD. I mean you go through the statistics yourself of how many active rape cases against women their are.
Since this law basically only calls into question the ability for women to handle their liquor, rather than turn all man into potential rapists, why not just ban women from drinking? Think about it, you'll never have to worry about men taking advantage of you because you sipped on a drink. I mean isn't pro-active prevention the best solution? Or would you rather risk future rapes?
Excuse me but when did all this become about me? This is the most disturbing part:
Nobody is stealing your f*cking vagina, you'd have to be passed out. To be quite honest, if you're prone to passing out in bars I'm more likely to tell the world about the moron I saw rather than risk aids by touching you.
I'm sorry, this is 2009, you drink yourself into a stupour and you should be responsible for what happens.
You can have your parade, your song and dance, but the argument you're basically making sounds a lot more like "Women should be allowed to do whatever they want and not be held accountable for their actions, we're equal to men but only in the ways that benefit us."
Dude I dont even get drunk. So, put your guard down a little (you're not being arrested here) and remember, these forums are for debates, not arguments. You can't honestly expect someone to talk to you or respect your opinion when you talk to people like this. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/21/2009 5:58:53 AM |
I'm gonna say 1 thing to that. We're not talking about women who probably have blood alcohol poisoning. I'm talking drunk as in, not slurring still standing, maybe a little hyper but nothing you couldn't confuse with a sugar high or a genuinely perky girl.
Drunk as in "not slurring, still standing". LOL! We aren't talking about SOBER people here, we are talking about DRUNK people.
What you describe above is someone who can pass a sobriety test!!!! DIR, if that's the case then NONE of the accusations a woman can make would stand up in court, so what the heck are you trying to prove here?
There has to be enough evidence for even an arrest to be made, nevermind a trial for pete sake. Evidence in these cases are very hard to come by. This is my last post with you. Seems to me you are here to be nasty, not listen or open your mind to others opinions, you want to spew your nasty comments all over the forums, well have fun. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/22/2009 1:19:06 AM | Here in Canada you gotta pass a breathalyser, not walk a straight line. Besides, I know people that can barely walk a straight line sober.
Besides, I think I can complain against a crap law with biased representation and an ambiguous modifier.
I told you what is considered drunk, anything from .08 blood alcohol and up impairs you from driving and there-fore, from "consenting".
I also told you, if you're smashed and run up major credit card debt, possibley on the internet where nobody can tell your sobriety, they aren't going to sit there and say *after you've taken advantage of the sevices* "well, the thing is, I was drunk so give me my money back."
I'm not being nasty with you, I'm being sarcastic because it helps me feel like a big man on the internet. I'm not using ambiguity, you're saying "We're talking about drunk people." well laaa dee daaa, the word isn't an industry standard. "Drunk" is like "Insanity" it's used to define a state of existence, but there's varying degrees. Continuing to argue with you when I know the result already is insane, it doesn't mean I'm going to be institutionalised. Just like because you can walk a straight line doesn't mean you're sober.
Besides, how are you going to tell if a person was drunk *after* 24 hours? Unless he had court signed documents to attest to her sobriety after the fact, it's all about he said/she said.
Grey area in criminal justice is deadly. You should know that.
Today's Society relies way too much on diminished responsibility. It's everyone else's fault but our own because lets face it, we're all infallible. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/23/2009 8:26:51 AM | explosivesheep (& others making a similar ' argument'):
I'm sorry, this is 2009, you drink yourself into a stupour and you should be responsible for what happens.
just a hint:
your 'opinion' of what 'should be', and even a consensus of "POF opinion" will not account for a fart in a hurricane in a court of law.
so if you want to fukk a drunk girl and she decides to have you charged with rape, go ahead and whine that the law 'should be' different.
see ya in 10 to 20, then?
the law is the law..not always 'right', 'fair', or 'logical'..
particularly when it sees (perhaps wrongfully) that one gender must be 'protected' against the other - probably the reason that the 2 co-conspirators and murderers, one make, one female; (Paul Bernardo & Karla Homolka) were given such disparate sentences for their rape & murder spree.
Homolka conned the judge and jury into believing she was just a poor lil' woman, not capable of such acts, 'forced' into them by Bernardo, when it seems obvious she was at least as twisted as he was..the reason she is now free, and he will likely die in prison. Have heard of a number of other similar cases in the US where a killing couple, male and female..when caught the female gets a slap on the wrist, the male gets life, or the death penalty..you can notice quite a few cases where the penalty given a twisted female killer seems much lighter than it would be for a male in a similar case..in the US, Canada, and the UK..somehow judges and juries mostly still seem to believe that women are pretty much poor innocent creatures, incapable of being truly evil..how naive. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/23/2009 12:50:14 PM | LonestarStar:
Your law will prevent thousands of fat chicks from getting laid every weekend. Do you want that responsibilty on your shoulders?
I know, know. It would also be taking away the national pasttime of fraternities/sororities, keep married men from getting some strange, and cut down on the number of single mothers/deadbeat dads.
I didn't say there wouldn't be casualties.
So what we learned from this thread is women want to drink all they want, yet not be accountable for their actions.
Well...yeah. Sounds good to me! Wouldn't it sound good to you? | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/23/2009 2:20:00 PM | | If you know a girl is not fully in control of herself, and you have sex with her, it is considered rape. If a woman at any point during the event says stop, no, don't, or words to that effect, and you don't immediatly quit, it is considered rape under the law. Men, get familiar with the law, because it is YOU who is ultimately responsible for where you put your penis, and if you choose to put it into an intoxicated or unwilling female, the law is on her side, and depending on what you do or how kinky you get, it can be anything from a misdemeanor to a felony. Learn the law, gentlemen! | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/23/2009 2:37:11 PM |
I'VE NEVER BEEN DRUNK ENOUGH I DID'NT KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING
That means you're not doing it right, dude.
As a former party girl, I've been all manner of intoxicated in every situation thinkable. I've done a lot of stupid sh*t drunk, but I'm not the type to go home with strangers sober...and guess what? I've NEVER gone home with a stranger, no matter how pissed I've been.
Coincidence? I think not. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/23/2009 2:41:20 PM | Ridiculous as it is......yes.....it is a law.
Whether she is begging you for it or not......it's still a law.
Bull$hit......yes....but it's still a law.
I found myself in a man's bed one morning and have no recollection of how I got there.....
I left a nice trail of clothing from his back door to the bedroom....so I quite obviously did what I'm sure was one hilarious strip tease thru his house....
and I believed him when he told me later I was very insistant that we have some "hot monkey sex"....
I considered this my own fault for getting that damn drunk.
I was a grown adult......who had every intention of getting drunk as possible for my birthday....and I, alone, should be the one accountable. | |
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| Throw your life away why don't you?
Posted: 2/23/2009 3:28:20 PM | i agree 100% with dave 632 as i am also in law enforcement .if you take a women home that is drunk and does not know what she is saying then it is RAPE.if she says no and you continue it is RAPE. if she changes her mind in the middle and says no and you continue it is RAPE. the best thing is to keep it in your pants or do it yourself and you won:t end up someones **** in prison. i will put the CRIMINAL CODE DEFINISHION AND PENALTY ON HERE WHEN OUR BIBLE (CRIMINAL CODE BOOK) GETS HERE.
DAVE 632 FOR ONE LAW PERSON TO ANOTHER RIGHT ON FOR YOU INPUT TO THIS TREAD AND THE EXPERTISE TO THIS SUBJUCT
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| Throw your life away why don't you?
Posted: 2/23/2009 3:46:00 PM | All I know, is if I were a man, I would not take the chance with a drunk stranger. Who knows if she makes it a habit to accuse after she regrets? Is sex THAT important that it cant wait til the next morning when you are both sober?
Personally, I find these laws offensive. I have never been so drunk that I did not know what I was doing. My inhibitions may be lighter as a result, but I have always been able to recall every minute of the night before....and I dont take strangers home drunk or sober, nor do I go to thier homes.
I feel like these laws say' you wee women cant handle your drinks, so we'll make sure the bad men will pay when you drink and have sex'. I just dont feel good about that.
I know they were put into place for some really extreme offenses, which should be punished-but I think some women play with fire, then want to get pissed when they get burned. Seems unfair to me. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/23/2009 9:17:06 PM |
I have heard stories of men being accused of rape for doing this - JWRed
It depends on where you are, I guess. Since the OP has left us, I have no idea where he was from. In Canada, it is considered rape under the law,
but it is rarely prosecuted successfully. Like most acquaintence rapes (spousal & date rape included), juries seem to have a difficult time with the
idea of being raped by someone who is NOT a stranger, even though this is true approx. 85% of the time. Under Canadian law, you cannot get
legally married, sign any legally binding contract, or consent to sex, if you are intoxicated. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 2/23/2009 11:56:31 PM |
just a hint:
your 'opinion' of what 'should be', and even a consensus of "POF opinion" will not account for a fart in a hurricane in a court of law.
so if you want to fukk a drunk girl and she decides to have you charged with rape, go ahead and whine that the law 'should be' different.
see ya in 10 to 20, then?
the law is the law..not always 'right', 'fair', or 'logical'..
If you're telling me this because you think I don't know, you're mistaken. I don't think justice is always just. I'm not on here claiming that I can have sex with all the drunk girls I want (and I won't anyway) and nothing can happen to me. I'm in arguing that the morality of the law and the bias of the law is unfair.
The fact is they say justice is blind, but sometimes (yes, in the case of Karla Homolka or more recently in BC Kelly Ellard if you followed that) Lady Justice is busy checking out the rack and gets a bit leniant. | |
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