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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/18/2009 10:31:10 PM | The only point I brought up was that rape can be a difficult thing to prove.
If there aren't any marks like they have been beaten, handcuffed, or tied and held against the will (or anything like that) then it's basically their word against yours. Unless you'd like to point out other things.
It's not even about the fact proving whether or not they did it, it's if it's rape or consent.
Otherwise, I am thoroughly enjoying your hostility. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/18/2009 10:33:36 PM | You don't have to have marks. Just have to say he put it in me. If people saw y'all leave together, there's one thing. There will be a rape test done. Just has to show that she's had intercourse.
No hostility, junior. I'm not saying it's right but it's easier to get convicted of this than most seem to think.
But hey....don't listen to me. I just went to law school for fun, kiddo.
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/18/2009 10:47:29 PM | But you would also have to prove you were drunk at the time of intercourse.
Something that, I haven't really looked into much, but (and maybe you can clarify) it's possible to do tests to determine when drunk.
But is it possible to determine when you had the intercourse and then link when you were drunk?
Then there's also the possibility that (and women can do it) who was raped? Just because rape was involved doesn't mean the guy raped the woman. If both were drunk and sex occured whose to say the guy "raped" the woman?
Either way, another hostile remark from you. All 3 posts of yours involved assuming I drunk bang girls, I need to do more research, and I'm now a kiddo. You don't seem to be very social, and probably react this way because you've determined that I am just young and stupid, and couldn't possibly be able to have a halfway competent discussion about anything.
You should probably NOT do that. At least not when someone isn't being snobbish. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/18/2009 10:54:58 PM | | any woman can "change" her mind at any time and get you arrested. her accusation is a conviction.(can you say DUKE lacrosse team) she can be stone -cold sober and put her hand down your pants, whip it out and climb on top and she can still get you arrested. there is no her word vs mine. you are automatically guilty as accused. the "trial" is really an appeal. you have to prove you didn't do it she doesn't have to prove anything. semen equals sentence. equal rights, men don't have any. responsible woman, right next to dry water. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/18/2009 11:20:04 PM | "But hey....don't listen to me. I just went to law school for fun, kiddo. "
LMAO,  Oh yeah fun in that beat you over the head with the Socratic method (Professor code for typically I'm a Nazi and I'm going to make you nervous as a cat in a room full of rocking chairs all manned by really large, mean dogs)... you go Manda... LOL, I so know where you're coming from tho... LOL, two year law degree, and I swear the twitch I have in my left eye (happens only when I really pissed off, freaked out or nervous), I can directly trace back to those two years... pffffttt...
"If both were drunk and sex occured whose to say the guy "raped" the woman?"
^^^ You make a good point, sadly though the likelihood of a rape like the above occurring are pretty uncommon, not because it does not happen, it does, but because it's not something most men are going to run out and report for a variety of issues. However, if you go to a bar, get rip roaring drunk, pick up a partner who is also rip roaring drunk, you can't really count on, let alone claim with 100% assurance that consent was a part of the equation. Then there is also the if you go to a bar and get someone rip roaring drunk, with the premeditated notion that you are going to take them home, or elsewhere and have your way with them, then your common sense, and conscience should tell the logic in your head, assuming you're not mentally disabled or completely amoral, a misogynist or an a-hole, that what you are doing is far from consensual and that you should be ashamed of yourself...
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/18/2009 11:23:33 PM | As much as the law sucks most of the time, sexual assault is defined by penetration. If a guy penetrates another guy....then yes. But unless the woman penetrates the guy with a strap on, no. And the gal doesn't have to prove she was drunk. She just has to make the allegation that she was under the influence.
All the gal has to claim is that she was drunk. It's easier to get a conviction for rape allegations when they say alcohol is involved than in date/stranger rape. The court deems the woman as not being in full control of her mental state.
And I didn't have any hostil remarks to you. Not all of my posts assumed you banged drunk girls.
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this kind of post makes me wonder how many women he's had to get drunk to get laid. I appologize for making that remark | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/19/2009 7:07:31 AM | As much as the law sucks most of the time, sexual assault is defined by penetration. As someone who says they have a law degree and work in the criminal justice field, you really should know better than to make a statement like this on the www. Maybe 'sexaul assault' is defined by penetration in your State. Maybe that is even the case in the US nation wide (although I strongly doubt it). But it is certainly not the case in other countries - Australia and the UK for example.
If you are going to hold out your academic qualifications and job as indicators of your knowledge of what constitutes a criminal offence, such as 'sexual assault', then you need to choose your words a lot more carefully. A blanket statement like that is at best irresponsbile and at worst, dangerous. As incredible and insane as it might sound, some people do take notice of what they read on the web and will sometimes even rely on it. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/22/2009 11:37:57 AM | Kansas - legally, "any individual under the influence of drug (alcohol) can not give consent for sex" even if answer is yes... also, if you "willfully know (or reasonable determine) the person is under the influence of drugs (alcohol)" and having sex anyway.... u can't take someone home if they have been drinking... granted, how many ppl in kansas have done this and havent been caught/reported? id say 60-75% at least... and the law that totally disagree with "rape is defined as penetration of the female sex organ" therefore a straight men and gay men can not be prosecuted for rape.... lesbians can.... and u can be charged up to 5 years after the fact
i get the idea, but what if you both are? there has been no reports of counter-lawsuit for two drunk ppl going home with one another... purpose of the law was to protect women... but there are some cases of men being raped but they do not have protection under the law... just a misdemeanour for woman... i sorta wish we could have a national definition and law to regulate out-dated rape laws
did ya know that in Kansas you can be arrested for adultery (married or unmarried)? | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/22/2009 12:08:14 PM | I look at it this way. If one were to get drunk, then drive and cause an accident they are responsible for their actions and will be prosecuted accordingly. They can't claim they were drunk and had no control over their actions and should therefore be released of liability. It doesn't work that way. Therefore if a woman gets drunk, wants to have sex but regrets it in the morning they get no sympathy from me. Control your liquor intake so you can control your actions. It's absolute bullsh*t IMO that someone can possibly go to prison and have their life ruined just because someone else decides they didn't like what they did the night before because they were drunk. That is absolutely f*cking INSANE!
When it comes to some of the draconian laws this country has I often feel as if I'm living in a Nazi State.......  | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/22/2009 12:44:33 PM | In TX it's illegal to have even 1 drink of alcohol and have sex. And yes, I know oh so many people get drunk because they can't seem to get it any other way. But that's the law. You don't have to be beaten or hit to be raped.
Maybe after a certain POINT of being drunk, but if this was true then having a couple beers would be considered drunk and a lot of guys would be waist deep in you know what.
Besides, it's hard to prove it was rape anyways even if this was true (which I doubt). You can claim rape all you want but if you had drunk sex chances are the girl wasn't beaten or hit or held down. There isn't going to be any proof that the guy held her against her will and he can just claim there was consent.
The line would be smudged on this type of case in so many ways it just can't possibly be true that "drunk girl = rape"
this kind of post makes me wonder how many women he's had to get drunk to get laid.
Why would you wonder that? You can't make assumptions about a persons character based on the argument they are presenting. Given, his logic is really bad, but you could just point that out instead. Having 1 drink of alchol then having sex being illegal isn't really the issue though. The issue is having sex with someone that's drunk (not being drunk and having sex).
You also kind of make the assumption that anyone who has sex with someone that's drunk is doing so because he can't get sex any other way. That's not true either. Maybe they just like hanging out at a bar and then suddenly just hit it off with someone.
Maybe you don't agree with that type of 'hook-up' but that hardly makes it wrong.
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/22/2009 2:31:26 PM | Having a sister who does this shit on purpose I can tell you some stories. Don't take this as all women who get drunk are doing it for the same reasons or anything rediqulous like that, this is just one person who does it.
This is what she does: She feels sleeping around is sinful so she gets drunk enough to blame it on the alcohol. She happens to get drunk A LOT also. She never clames rape, but when morning comes it never happened the guy is lieing she would never **** him he is not her type. The funny part is she is so hot on the outside that if she became a nicer person she could get any guy she wants, but she doesn't want them unless she is plastered drunk. Go figure.
She happens to be in desperate need of a shrink do to all her emotional problems. Damaged goods. Sucks too... with her great look she is really ugly on the inside. I don't associate with her because she treats men like dirt and her family and anyone else she thinks is not worthy of her friendship like sh-it.
Anyway back to my point... Sleep with sober women so you know they actually want you unless you don't care and just want to sleep with her regardless of if she was actually attracted to you or not...
Beer goggles make men and women sexier, or so I have heard from my sister. I wouldn't know since I don't get drunk and don't treat men like sh-it. Maybe that's why I get the hot guys with out having to get drunk. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/22/2009 2:55:27 PM | I do Have a question for the person who has a law degree... How does Las Vegas fit in to your statement that any sex with someone drunk is rape? People here have sex drunk more than sober and get married drunk... hell we have movies about people coming here and getting drunk and married (What happens in Vegas). Does the law in some states differ? Or do police look the other way in States like this one because we would go out of business if the law was followed? I'm not mocking or anything; I really want to know if you know.
Also I want to say good point by anouther poster about the fact that men can't say rape not being fare that is insane! Time to change those laws. Especially since women are now equal in most things... the laws putting people in jail need to be equal as well. No special treatment not when women can cry rape so easily and men stand by helpless. Well not 100% helpless. Not being in the place at all in the first place would prevent a woman crying rape, but should they have to live in such fear? No! | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/22/2009 3:18:41 PM |
purpose of the law was to protect women... but there are some cases of men being raped but they do not have protection under the law... just a misdemeanour for woman... i sorta wish we could have a national definition and law to regulate out-dated rape laws
But this would require people using common sense. Common sense in a world of political correctness is like wearing a Marilyn Manson t-shirt into a church. It's the devil and must be destroyed. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/22/2009 7:17:25 PM | This is what she does: She feels sleeping around is sinful so she gets drunk enough to blame it on the alcohol.
That happens a lot more than people might think. The human sex drive and desire for physical contact with the opposite sex is a very powerful hormonal urge and trying to suppress it or resist it in order to comply with one's moral beliefs can probably be very trying at times. The use of drugs and/or alcohol can become the vehicle in which to remove the "sin" or "lapse of morality" away from the person, onto something or someone else and yet not leave oneself culpable.
I bet that makes for some interesting long-term psychological impacts....... | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/22/2009 7:25:53 PM | JWRed:
Why would you want to **** a drunk girl in the first place? Isn't having fantastic sex part of knowing how you are making the other person feel? What is the point if the girl doesn't even remember how good or bad it was? Well, congratulate yourself on becoming the newest member of the ***hole club. Now you and your buddies have alot more in common, get together over drinks and discuss the topic that reunited you even more.
'You heard stories of men getting accused of rape'. With no way proving it was or wasn't, you put yourself in harms way. But doesn't it also bother you to know that the only way you could take a woman home from a bar and **** her is if she were drunk?
Tragic...... | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/26/2009 4:16:42 PM | | not that i know anything about the law but i'm thinking of the man being sober? if so he should know better than to take advantage of a drunk female or a drunk male for that matter. besides what's his rush..... does he know she's going to sober up and then want to boot him out? any guy that looks for and then take drunk girls home to have sex are just creeps. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/26/2009 7:44:50 PM | yes this is one of those ridiculous laws. Why is this type of drunk considered someone else's fault? I mean people get drunk and drive, hit other cars and injure people or kill them. Yet, that person is charged with making bad decisions. Might as well charge the people he hit for not avoiding the drunk because he didnt know any better. See how stupid that sounds? Drunk or not i think everyone is responsible for their own actions. You ought to not get drunk if you act a fool. Its not someone elses fault you were soliciting them for sex and they take it.
Another thing, alot of times the guy is drunk too. Yet he gets no sympathy at all for him being drunk. Apparently guys brains work much better on alcohol than a woman's, since she didnt know any better and he did. Awesome stuff.
This society needs to grow up. People get offended by the slightest remarks, people go to jail for the dumbest crap, and then you got crap like this happening with some guy who just thought he was getting lucky, it was his night, for some girl to regret acting like a slut. Now if the guy intentionally drugged her, kept going when she didnt wnat him too, or purposely got her drunk just to sleep with her, then by all means persue.
Guys get taken advantage off too you know. Alot of guys have gotten drunk and woke up in the wrong situation and you just man up and chalk that up to stupidity. Not the woman's fault.
Crap like this just irks me to no end. Esp. when usually both parties are plastered. Double standards. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 4/26/2009 8:02:59 PM |
Another thing, alot of times the guy is drunk too. Yet he gets no sympathy at all for him being drunk. Apparently guys brains work much better on alcohol than a woman's, since she didnt know any better and he did. Awesome stuff.
Well, in my case I do have higher tolerance for alcohol than most... but on average, women are smaller than men and alcohol actually does affect them faster because of it...
A 200lb man is likely to have twice the tolerance of a 100lb woman.... | |
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