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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 6/20/2008 11:11:36 AM | hello,
just to relate an experience for someone close to me . . .
he was introduced by his friends to a new girl. they were drunk when they had sex (the same night they met). whether she was raped or "changed her mind" wasn't relevant, apparently, as he did three years on a criminal sex charge. and now he's on the sex offender registry here in Michigan. sort of complicates your life, does it not? everyone treats you like some kind of freak, assumes the worst, etc.
so, law, schmaw. I read the court transcript and it sounded like the argument could have gone either way (consensual/non-consensual) but for whatever reason, he got convicted. the take-away, seems to me, is you don't want to put yourself in that position, and i'm talking from the male perspective. i would expect there is a bias in the legal system against males, and it's there for a reason, that we've come by our "bad rap" honestly, if you will.
besides, boys and girls, how GOOD is drunk sex anyway? :=)
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 6/20/2008 5:14:43 PM | This is crazy that a girl can go to a bar, get sauced, go have random sex, then cry rape in the morning.
Im no lightweight, Im no stranger to a blank spot or two, but on some level I know whats going on and what Im doing. Trust me the temptation is out there, All those good looking fellas  , but you still have your common sense about you.
* Of couse we are talking a drunkin good time, not rape. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 6/20/2008 5:16:50 PM | Morally, the quote by kittenshere41, "when people are drinking they still know what they are doing. she is just as responsible as he is. drinking is no excuse. no need to sex somene and cry later" is accurate but in reality, drunk or not, you had better have a lot of background on any woman you have sex with.
Men are now being convicted when the full act was consensual and the woman had remorse or a guilt attack the next day. A man legally at risk for any sexual act or overture, no matter how mutal, if at any time the woman decides to take offense. Most women are sane enough to not be a risk. Spending a little time and using a little wisdom can tell you which woman you are safe with to not make false allegations.
Our Crime Victims Assistance Programs give tens of thousands of dollars to women just for making an allegation. Kobe Bryant's accuser received $25K within days of making the allegation she later recanted. She did not even have to wait for a conviction. Ask your local CVA Program director about these awards for alleged rape or sexual assault. It pays big money.
But a drunken woman you meet in a bar is not the most stable and you are being exceptionally stupid for even thinking of taking her home for sex, much less being alone with her with no one to witness you did not assault or rape her. Today it is suicidal for a man to be alone with a strange drunken woman. She can even murder you and claim assault and still get her blood money from the CVA.
If this post sounds implausible, just watch your local newspaper for details over the next month. You will probably see verification within days if you are in a larger city. | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 6/20/2008 5:21:00 PM | Just an fyi... anytime a person has sex with someone who is under the influence of ANYTHING does not constitute as consenting. Therefore, even if a hypothetical woman were to cry foul due to the inability to control the amount of liquor she was drinking, she could still file a rape charge against the man.
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 6/23/2008 10:34:48 PM | I was curious about what I'd see in this discussion. SoTex is right on target. It can be scary to be a single male. (Personally I don't cruise the bars or do one nighters at all. I'd rather have alot of sex with the same woman, than alot of sex with many different women.)
I know a woman who has not once, but THREE times cried rape after the fact. On three separate occassions, she was caught cheating on her boyfriend, a different guy each time. She does not drink or use any intoxicating substances. Not at all. AFTER she was caught, she began to cry and feel remorse which soon changed to " I never wanted it". All three times she cried rape, when she really felt guilt. Then all three times she recanted her story before criminal charges were processed.
The victims here are her poor boyfriend (who blindly believed her each time) and those 3 guys who were publicly accused. One of them was assaulted in "revenge".
For whatever reason, this girl decided to confide in me with the details. My conclusion is that she is such an emotional mess that it's scary. After rewriting history so many times, she doesn't even know what happened. She is frightening, dangerous. I'm so glad I don't mess around with girls like that! | |
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| When is taking a drunk girl home from a bar and having sex considered rape?
Posted: 6/24/2008 2:47:50 PM | well this is an interesting question, and to each their own as i know nothing of the legal aspects of this topic. However there are a couple things that make it so i would never take a drunk girl home for that sort of activity. when i was in highschool there were a few times i would drink to the point of passing out, where i didn't know what was going on, but i was still active and doing stuff...i just was unaware of what i was doing and would come in and out of conciousness as i did it.
To me knowing that's a possibility i wouldn't take the risk of that happening to someone because "she doesn't seem that drunk". If she is under the influence i don't think that she's able to make an informed decision, and besides...if I"M going to be with someone, i would hope that the first time was something special to us both. hope i don't sound like a  just wanted a reason to use the emoticon :) | |
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