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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/27/2008 6:00:51 PM | darjeeling.... you can laugh at me as much as you want.... but let me assure you the rest of the world is not laughing.... knowing that some of the people who are voting in the next president.... giving that person power.... might just cause world war 3....
and reading some of the unconciousness and views.. and lack of logic/facts... is extremely scary.... for all humanity....
you laughing...... that wont change the facts as i see them .. on .....if usa ... attack iran... it will come back on them in alot of ways...
(your country cannot keep bombing countries and not expect those countries to want to bomb you back........ reality is........ if people vote for someone blood hungry......... it will affect your children who will be forced to fight and die and get maimed
it will affect your economy.. and cost of living.. and being cut of from resources...etc)
and your economy.. as ive said before... just china converting to euros.. will practically double usa costs.. unless im wrong in information that you get alot of your food .. etc from china?
china has no economical reason to continue trade with usa... when usa. is so much in debt to them already...(ok unless to fully own usa economy/.. theres a reason). but they have more reason to keep russia and iran on their side.)
my prediction is china would back iran within a second...
also refer to previous posts re how to win a war by economics.....
I understand some people have no concept of consequences...
but even the greedy and selfish and unconcious... surely...... if its explained HOW IT WILL AFFECT THEM PERSONALLY? (appealing in explanation to their greed/ selfishness .. and god help them any love for their children.... and assuming they have any idea of logic and facts and not brain washed into entitlement propaganda..
might see some reality.........
the reality is....... who usa vote for will affect the rest of the world...
and right now its quite scary........ reading....... some conciousness that will vote..
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/27/2008 6:10:33 PM | | What this says to me is that this is another politition I am far from in favor of. For me, I feel that war in and of it self is a failuer in diplomacy. However, I will agree that some nations, especially those that are religeous based, are far from diplomatic reasoning. Furthermore to threaten to go for nukes right away, wouldnt that make us a target to other nations for breaking the vows we made. I hope she doesnot get elected..it is sad that I do not want Obama or McCain either. | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/27/2008 6:59:08 PM |
you can laugh at me as much as you want.... that wont change the facts as i see them .. on .....if usa ... attack iran... it will come back on them in alot of ways...
soulmate08 ... It was entirely gallows humor ... you know the type when your only choice is to laugh or cry ... it wasn't directed at you but the idea of educating my countrymen quickly .... that actually is a little bit funny, because I've neen attempting to do that for about 7 years now.
Here's how it works regarding Iran ... there is and has been a very well financed, professionally managed (meaning teams of folks whose job it is to analyse the minutia of words studdied in linguistc texts and focus groups), the biggest PR firms managing the message, the PR firms scour the public policy institutes and think tanks and find suitable scholars, academics, foreign policy wonks, terrorism experts, and book them to appear on television, radio, and write newspaper editorials ... all working to the same general script and staying on message ... all in concert in a campaign to demonize Iran.
Then you will have public officials reacting to, and parroting these same messages.
In other words, well orchestrated propaganda. The forces sypathetic to Israel and Zionism want their war and they don't intend to take no for an answer.
I have blogged quite continually on this specific aspect for about two years now, and how that works is that you disprove one lie and then two more spring up in their stead, or the lie you dealt with yesterday or nine moths ago just gets repeated as being based in truth with someone else who hasn't examined the evidence.
Now I am unfortunately of the opinion that an attack on Iran is almost a near certainty, and yes I do see quite catastrophic repercussions to that event, as dire as you suggest.
All kinds of circumstantial evidence suggests to me that an attack on Iran is emminent. The latest piece of circumstatial evidence?
April 9, 2008
JERUSALEM -- An estimated 1.7 million Israeli schoolchildren headed for shelters Tuesday morning in response to a nationwide emergency siren as part of disaster drills that authorities said were an attempt to apply the lessons learned during Israel's 2006 war with Hezbollah.
At 10 a.m., a rising and falling siren sounded throughout the country, signaling the start of the most public aspect of the weeklong drills. News footage showed children filing out of classrooms under the direction of their teachers, and "injured" students being treated by paramedics and carried off on stretchers.
On Monday, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and members of his security Cabinet ran through a scenario of Israel coming under multiple missile attacks. Today police and rescue workers in the coastal city of Haifa will practice responding to a simulated chemical plant explosion caused by a missile attack. Officials will unveil and test a $500,000 underground shelter and disaster response headquarters built below the city's central bus station.
The memories of Israel's 2006 confrontation with Hezbollah, when the Lebanese militant group's rockets showered down on northern Israeli cities and towns for weeks, hang over this week's events. Also weighing on Israelis are the current attacks on the southern town of Sderot, which is frequently hit by rockets fired from the Gaza Strip.
"All these things heightened the awareness of the general population, and I think this is important and will help us to be better prepared," said Col. Zvika Tessler, Home Front Command director for Tel Aviv, in an interview with Israeli radio. "I see it in the schools, I see how the students and the teachers react, the principals, the local authorities. Everyone is taking it very seriously, and I think that this in itself is already a big achievement."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-drills9apr09,1,2855248.story
Perhaps I'm seeing more in this story than what it warrants, but I've not seen similar drills mentioned in 6 years of reading the Israeli press, I suppose it might be common event, but I really don't think so. This does not bode well.
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/27/2008 7:24:31 PM | In the mean time........
The U.S.A. is on it's way to becoming the richest most powerful third world country on Earth.
One day we will have a very few, very rich upper-class people and a whole lot of very poor lower-class people and practically no middle-class people .
We will have 1st class military hardware but a 3rd class standard of living.
Something similar to what the old Soviet Union was before it collapsed. | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/27/2008 7:44:58 PM | ^^^ Interesting and well put. Someone else in this thread I believe said that if the US ever does begin to bomb Iran, and / or invades Iran, etc, it will be the beginning of the end. I more or less agree personally. I'm not saying the country would necessarily completely collapse and die like the Soviet did, but.... it would certainly never be the same I don't think.
To keep nipoloeon's analogy, it would be rather like the Soviets' ill-advised invasion of Afghanistan. Basically, I can't see any way on EARTH the US gov't can afford a war of that kind , considering what it already has itself into in Iraq (and I mean literally afford as far as $$, where they plan to get the troops from, AND "afford" in terms of the larger general public here just accepting it once more of their kids are going there --- I mean barring Iran actually bombing the US). Also there's the peripheral effects I think it would be bound to have on the US economy........the price of oil for example. It's a real nightmare scenario.
IMO, quite frankly, although I am probably the furthest thing from being part of any "anti-Iran" crowd, if Israel has a real problem and feels it faces an existential threat from Iran in the near future then let Israel perhaps utilize some of the 3 billion dollars per year the US gives them and deal with it themselves. If Iran attacks them back, then oh well......that's the IDF's problem. If they can't handle it or they start to suffer major casualties then too bad (they actually had a hard enough time just handling Hizbullah in summer of '06). Either way the US should stay as far out of it as humanly possible.
People tend to forget, as the Soviet Union forgot, that by comparison in all actuality we are quite "young" compared to these Middle Eastern and near Asian lands; the places where human civilizations actually first started. There were legendary tribal wars and battles and conquests going on down there when no one knew where this hemisphere was. There was high civilization there when the most distant ancestors of the average modern American Marine from Appalachia were still living in caves and hitting each other with stone weapons, wearing bearskins somewhere in northern Europe. There's at least a chance that those most ancient lands will outlast and outlive these modern empires -- just as they outlived so many others that were even far more aggressive. | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/27/2008 8:01:34 PM | I support Obama too, but only because there isn't anyone left worth a sh*t!
As for Hillary...she's been campaigning for 5 years, and I still don't know what she stands for. I'll bet McCain, Clinton and Obama can all pronounce the word "nuclear" though. Kind of a strange and scary when the person with the finger on the button, can't pronounce the weapons he's in control over. | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/27/2008 8:12:40 PM | Hillary is just doing what she does best, saying whatever she can say to get herself elected. every single step she has taken since her husband left office was taken with the sole purpose of running for president someday. I honestly dont feel she gives a darn about any of us its all about her. Hillary if you get elected are you going to return all the stuff you stole from the white house when your husband was in office? are you going to fix the nafta deal that sent many jobs overseas? your big agenda seems to be government controlled health care? why didnt you do anything about it in the 8 yrs your husband was president?
my big question is do we really want our government running our health care system? I think that would be even worse than the deal with Nafta. they cant balance our budget, secure our borders etc how good a job will they do with health care? that will be a scary mess. I also love it when people try to blame gas prices on the president, im not a bush supporter but I blame the american public with their driving habits and health habits. do we really need H1 hummers and all the gas guzzlers out there? look at prices in england for gas and their cars are required to get a minimum of 35 MPG
they say hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, and hillary you plain scare the crap out of me. obama doesnt scare me as much but he doesnt impress me either, I might vote for Mccain if I like his running mate, I think he is too old and wont live through a whole term so he better pick a great running mate. (condeleza rice comes to mind) | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/27/2008 8:59:02 PM | Kind of a strange and scary when the person with the finger on the button, can't pronounce the weapons he's in control over.
How is that "strange and scary"? A huge percentage of the US population pronounces the word "nukular", including me, and I'd bet money that I am a good deal smarter than you. Jesus Christ, it is a regional pronunciation, not a damning sign of mental retardation.
Back on subject, to answer the questions asked by our Australian friend: no, the vast majority of the US population is not pro-war. Even the majority of those who supported the Iraqi invasion in the first place do not support it now. At this point in time, there are pretty much two schools of thought on this subject in the US: a) totally against the war in Iraq, or b) against it but think we should stay to "finish the job." Only rarely will you encounter someone who actually thinks the war was justified. The ones who supported it in the first place did so because we were lied to and told that Saddam Hussein was developing weapons of mass destruction, which as we all know, turned out to be false.
On the other hand, the war in Afghanistan is well supported amongst those who have been keeping abreast of the situation, and justly so-- there are a lot of good things happening there. It is nothing like the clusterf--k that is Iraq.
Any talk of a war with Iran is just that; talk. As another poster stated, there seems to be a large anti-Iran propaganda campaign underway in the US at this moment. There is much talk about the Iranian "nuclear weapons program" with strong hints that we are supposed to believe that the US is actually in danger from these fictional weapons. I'd guess that the propaganda is only marginally effective, however. If you ask the average guy on the street, he might agree that Iran is bad, or whatever, but if it came down to it I am pretty certain that the US population at large would be absolutely against entangling this country in another expensive quagmire like Iraq. This is my opinion as I see it straight from the streets in Alabama, which for those of you who are unaware, is pretty much one of the most conservative areas in this country and thus most likely to support this type of nonsense. | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/27/2008 9:21:16 PM | | ^^^ I agree, basically. I don't think the average citizen, even some joe six-pack type of guy down in Alabama , is going to buy into another war , w/the economy, etc, being how it is here now, w/all of it based on essentially very questionable "WMD"-type of "evidence". Not after having been basically "burned" once by that kind of propaganda. As for any other possible "reasons" for it, I doubt that most Americans, again even the most conservative (barring the hardline "neoconservative" Israelophiles and/or the Christian-Zionist "rapturist" types), would agree to go into a war like that if one of its primary aims was the protection of Israel. Even people that like or are basically neutral towards Israel wouldn't buy into doing that right now , because if nothing else eventually there's the thought in the backs of peoples' minds that perhaps they'll run out of volunteer troops here one day & have to start drafting, & then my 16 or 17 yr old is a prime target. And all for Israel's protection???? Or because some hawkish Republican in the White House or Congress says they "think" Iran is trying to get "WMD"??? I don't think, again given the way things are here today not to mention the way things have gone in Iraq, that a majority of citizens (probably not even Congress --- unless Iran actually bombed America) would agree to it. | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/27/2008 10:37:31 PM | A few things to concider:
We have no rreason to get involved. Ourr involvement in everythoing since world war one has made our nation the target of many other nations. The jealosy of our riches, the fact that aid the enemies of some countries while attacking the allies of others. We go in like boyscouts to help and we are disrespected for it. We go in like superman to correct a bad situation and we are further disrespected for it. We try for free trade it pisses off one nation or another. We embargo nations that don't do fair trade, the same thing accures. We need to stop being the police of the world and handle our own afairs.
Wait...I forgot...If we do that then we wont be a world power anymore and people will invade us? Maybe and maybe not! We still have a powerful army and powerful citizens that will protect this land. | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/28/2008 11:39:06 AM |
... and reading some of the unconciousness and views.. and lack of logic/facts... is extremely scary.... for all humanity....
you laughing...... that wont change the facts as i see them .. on .....if usa ... attack iran... it will come back on them in alot of ways
soulmate08,
Besides my explanation in message 54 ... I had intended to send a note of personal apology for the misunderstanding to your POF mail this morning, but was blocked from doing so by your mail filters.
So my apology is offered. This is absolutely a matter of grave importance, and laughter in any guise, truly is not appropriate. I regret that I may have offended you (or any others) by it, even though such was not my intention, I can certainly understand that it may have had that affect.
Sorry
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/28/2008 4:51:20 PM | | I believe she was specifically asked, "What would the US response be if Iran were to nuke Israel?" The question itself is rather specific and shocking. This question assumes 1. That Iran has a working nuclear missile and 2. That they have already "nuked" Israel. We're nowhere near such a reality yet. I'm a big Hillary fan, but I believe her response to this one was another "mistake". Trust me, I've been along on some of the campaign trails and it's extremely tiring. Hence, Barack and his "bitter gunclinging Pennsylvanians" and Hillary's "sniper fire" comments. She should have said something like, "I hope to use US Intelligence as well as my diplomatic skills, those of my administration and the civilized world at large to assure something as horrifying as that is never a consideration by Iran or any other country toward any neighbor." Some questions are best deflected at this stage !!.......Kathy | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/28/2008 11:15:13 PM | darjeeling.... thank you for your good manners...... but no apology needed.....
I am not offended....
I only hope.... that this election... gives the usa new hope and also to the rest of the world....
but if we are hearing before an election..... even.. that it will be a www111 ...... its very disheartening...
if people still believe their government have their personal best interests at heart..... i shake my head.... b/c from an outside point of view watching the illegal war.. katrina... the poor and homeless etc....and not see the realities that will come.. with this... bombing.. then .. i suppose knowing full consequences... and voting for this....
they are voting in these consequences.... for their future..
id be very .... very... scared if i was an american or lived anywhere near the usa..
so many children are not seeing a future.... feeling that the ONES IN CHARGE... are just going to blow it all up...
personally im glad my son is no longer in the army....(b/c usa vote war... then my sons life could be at risk....... from what usa people vote in..........
my dad is a vietnam veteran...........
i would not want my son to go through what he did....
then come home.. to know he was part of a illegal war....... (iraq)...
and I think if anyone.. can save their child from being forced to enlist in the next 3 years.... that would help.. them personally.......
defend your own country.. for sure...... who wouldnt?......
but expect others to feel exactly the same in defending their country..... also..
I hope www111 does not become inevetiable....
who ......usa people vote for in november ........ already stating they will bomb......
THEY ARE VOTING FOR WWW111..........
well
just know when food/oil gets too exspensive.... when utilities get so exspensive... when more jobs are lost... when food becomes soooooooooo exspensive...
that your decisions helped bring this about....
if i was a usa ... i would be looking for someone in leadership who could restore usa... reputation in the world
who would fix the economy........ so hard working people could afford.. rent/food..
middle class usa is slowly disappearing...
someone who cared about healthcare.. and not sending young men and woman to be scarred for life in war...
i would vote for someone... to bring the usa together again... as a people .. not slowly declining to a NEW USA.. where poverty and poor health... is neglected and the norm.
some people seem to be living in the past in how usa used to be.....
heck i get your news on early morning here... you hardly even get...... world current events on it..
some people seem to realise even usa constitutional rights are disappearing....
yet some still have no accepted this reality... and seem to just vote for whoever theyre family brought them up to vote for...... not realising the old ways are gone.......
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/29/2008 10:05:00 AM | | Anyone who thinks it's ok for Iran to have nukes is a blithering idiot. Soleil may have been a bit harsh on McCain but he is certainly a war mongering REPUBLICAN! Who gives two shits who is going to win so long as it's not a republinazi. | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/29/2008 10:22:49 AM | How is that "strange and scary"? A huge percentage of the US population pronounces the word "nukular", including me, and I'd bet money that I am a good deal smarter than you. Jesus Christ, it is a regional pronunciation, not a damning sign of mental retardation.
Regional pronunciation? Like WARSHington? What region are you from?
Besides, since when is anything Bush says NOT proof of mental retardation? | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/29/2008 3:39:08 PM | Hillary Clinton was clear and just to answer the question----Mrs Clinton what would you do if Iran nuked Israel---Mrs Clinton's answer--- I'd obliterat them!!
Mrs Clinton's answer was correct and to the point.And if she had of evaded the question mr.steven02151 you would have cried about her being guttless.
It is you who is guttless for bring this disscussion up in the first place,and what motive do you have for doing so STEVENO2151. What is your GUTTLESS motive !!!
You can mail me and I will be happy to tell you where I live ( and yu ).
IF you ask me ! ( you said )---------------are you sh---ing me !!
Where is Conshohocken anyway---it's got to be close to a large landfill or maybe the real estate is cheap around a sewage plant.
P/s whats (AFP) you're trying to hide--Air Force PRIVATE--right.RIGHT !!!
Who in the h--l are yu--a private in the air force,telling anyone when
or how far away Iran is from having a bomb.
They could have it now---but guttless as yu-- and afraid to use it!!! | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 4/29/2008 4:21:58 PM | Biker1949. ......huh?
No, I'm not a private in the Air Force. I happen to be the Baron of a small, but significant barony in Central Europe named Conshohocken , also its Prime Minister, ArchBishop, Commander in Chief, Defender of the Faith, and I fill in for Jorge as janitor when he goes home to Guatemala to visit his family.
Oh, yeah, I am also the Queen .......yes, that's right, I am a flaming faggot, too!
And you're quite right, I am gutless. I had my abdomen excavated a number of years ago by a Russian physician who was formerly a miner in Siberia so I could fit into the 16th century gown that one of my ancestors left behind in the castle .......oy vey, my girdle is just killing me!
So, anyway, do you think me and my poodle Fifi could go on a motorcycle ride with you? Huh?
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 5/3/2008 9:23:09 AM | Hillary's a fool...Iran has almost unlimited wealth with oil at $100+ a barrel.
Why is oil so high...cause the once almost exclusive customer..now has a competition in the bidding....China...not hard to see, USA offers 80 a barrel, China offers 85...the USA without it's oil will grind to a halt so they bid 90...china ups to 95...Hmmmmaybe for a few dozen barrels china will release arms of mass destruction..deemed to be old or outdated in exchange for this precious energy...who knows...china in an attempt to thwart the economy and might of the states maybe just bidding up the price..knowing America will have to top it, sending the economy into a recession, for now greenbacks are needed for energy rather then all the junk people need to buy which has supported an economy for the last few years... | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 5/3/2008 11:48:24 AM | nipolean, sounds about right to me. Growing rich, growing poor, diseappearing middle class. Its always the same with Republican administrations, they are so coopted by the corporate powers that they pander to them .....not they they dont need a level playing field and support because its businesses who create jobs ... but its done in such a way that the middle classes are screwed.
democratic administrations come along, adjust the tax structure, and the middle class grows again. hopefully, we will see that cycle again, but frankly, i think the corporations pretty much run the government now and it will be very difficult to swing that pendulum back again. | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 5/3/2008 12:08:47 PM | I'm a big Hillary fan, but I believe her response to this one was another "mistake". Trust me, I've been along on some of the campaign trails and it's extremely tiring. Hence, Barack and his "bitter gunclinging Pennsylvanians" and Hillary's "sniper fire" comments. She should have said something like, "I hope to use US Intelligence as well as my diplomatic skills, those of my administration and the civilized world at large to assure something as horrifying as that is never a consideration by Iran or any other country toward any neighbor." Some questions are best deflected at this stage !!..
If Hiliary and Obama are "tired" of the campaign trail, what about 4 years in one of the most demanding jobs in the world. If they are not up to it, they should quit. Also if they are making mistakes now and living in altered realities, may be the world would be better off if they were not in charge.
Iran's stated goal is the destruction of Israel and the West. The islamofascists battle cry is "First Saturday, than Sunday" which means get rid of the jews first, then get rid of the christians.
Some questions are best deflected at this stage !!..
So the candidates should not reveal their true intentions??? Sounds like the people should not know what utter idiots the Democrats have as candidates. Sounds like what happened when Jimmy Carter took over and almost destroyed America. | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 5/3/2008 1:58:06 PM | | mfrotyl, if Irans stated goal is the destruction of israel and the west, how do you explain the protected status of the jews, christians and other religious minorities in Iran and their gauranteed seats in the Iranian parliment? | |
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| Hillary Threatens to Obliterate Iran
Posted: 5/3/2008 1:59:17 PM | mrfrotyl seems to think that being "tired" is some fatal flaw and makes a candidate unfit to be President. By that measure, DON'T VOTE for McCain.
Not sure how he thinks Carter "destroyed" America. Or what that has to do with the price of tea. | |
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