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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 4/26/2008 3:44:46 PM | <-- Former 70 T5 NE Druid Tank (Rawr!)
It's different for all of us!
I think that most of the girls I know would lump video games in there with sports and other "man" stuff, in the category of: They don't understand it, they don't want to understand it, and that means their partner is doing something social that excludes them, and they feel insecure about that.
Where it comes to anything you do that she's not interested in, invite her to come watch/learn/participate with you. She probably won't want to, but her knowing that you wanted to include her makes all the difference. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 4/26/2008 6:38:04 PM | gaming is solitary, selfish and encourages the gamer to abandon reality.
You need to change your incorrect conception of who plays video games. I imagine you are thinking of the nerd with glasses behind his PC in his filthy apartment playing World of Warcraft with 2 bags of cheetos and a case of Monster energy drinks on hand. That's a small minority of video game players and gets smaller every year. The video game industry brought in more money than the film industry in 2007. More people play Madden NFL Football than watch Oprah or American Idol. Also is there a difference between playing 2 hours of video games and watching that 2 hour American Idol episode?
Video games are certainly social and not solitary for me. I wouldn't consider myself a hardcore gamer (I play 3-4 hours per week) but I do think its a fun recreational activity for those days when the weather isn't friendly (if its nice out I like to go fishing in the literal sense). When I was away at college a bunch of friends would come over and we'd have GoldenEye, Mario Kart or Madden tournaments. In these cases the game facilitated a social event. I've seen Mario Party used as a drinking game. One weeknight a week or so I'll sign on and play a first person shooter with several of my coworkers for an hour or 2. I fail to understand how having some friends over to play a video game is any different than watching a movie or TV show. Personally, I don't enjoy games when I'm playing alone. Its always been the multi-player competitive aspect that made it fun for me. Its much more fun to beat your buddy in a game of Madden than an AI program.
As far as abandoning reality goes you'll need to expand on that. Do you mean they allow the game to control their lives? If so then yes that's reprehensible. But a person wanting escapism is perfectly normal. Video games allow people to "live out" things they want to do but are either inaccessible or simply impossible. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 4/27/2008 10:53:06 AM | One more thing that you all might be interested to know.
The number of female gamers has been steadily rising over the last decade.
So if gaming is for people with a 'little boy' complex, what does that make female gamers?
And seriously, if you're not going to ever date a gamer again because you met *one* who was an obsessive loser, I think it's about as reasonable as never getting in a car with a man again because you dated a guy who 'collected' traffic tickets. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 4/28/2008 10:08:17 PM | I really suggest that the women who are so tightly-wound against video games really take a look at the sheer variety of games available.
Case in point: URU.
No sex. No violence. Just Beauty, Puzzles, Quality time with friends...
Heck, the entire Myst series is one of the things that led me to really feel like my dad and I could connect.
One of the favorite times my family ever had together was playing a simple little Playstation adventure game together, called Blazing Dragons.
I went to a Video Games Live concert with a friend of mine dressed up as Mario, and for once in his life he got to be on a stage with a crowd cheering him, just because he had a love for what he enjoyed.
Video games are not the worst thing in the world.
Come back after you've dated a guy who does meth.
I currently enjoy games a fraction of the amount that my friends do, but I still go totally geeky when we talk about the ending of Metal Gear Solid 3.
Just... God!
Explore a little! Stop keeping that bug up your collective @$$es and enjoy something that isn't set in stone.
Heck, you're on a dating site, as opposed to being out there in the dating world, right?
Or, if you're doing a combination of both, that is kinda EXACTLY HOW WE PLAY VIDEO GAMES COMPARED TO THE REAL WORLD!
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 4/29/2008 6:14:53 PM | Well just for a bit of perspective as to where video games fit into the real world,
I quote from the kansas city star today, regarding today's release of the new Grand Theft Auto (of which I am a proud owner! LOL) today.
"some analysts are predicting that today’s debut of “Grand Theft Auto IV” for Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 could be the most lucrative launch in entertainment history.
As in bigger than “Spider-Man 3.” Bigger than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Bigger, even, than the ballyhooed launch of “Halo 3” last fall.
Some believe that by year’s end, the Mature-rated “GTA IV” will gross nearly $800 million — almost twice the amount of last year’s highest grossing movie, the third “Pirates of the Caribbean.”
Hell places like the wall street journal and forbes are prediction that upwards of 6 million copies valued at around 360 Million dollars will be bought THIS week alone.
Just wanted to give some real world facts and figures as to how big the gaming market has become. considering this is just ONE game, out of the hundreds that are out there. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 4/29/2008 10:04:23 PM | Eon Blue:
Wait for it... wait for it... do you hear it? I think I... yep, I think that's it... It's... oh yeah, there it is:
"That's far too many people without a life. If they're going to take time off from work to play a video game, then they aren't man enough for me."
Trust me, some derivation of that is in the offing from a lady who just doesn't get that someone could enjoy something she might personally not. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 4/30/2008 3:40:41 AM |
I'm merely curious. Ladies, is there something innately wrong with gamers as potential mates?
Are you kidding me??? Women hate gamers because they frickin "zone" out in front of the tv. duh  | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 4/30/2008 10:17:47 AM | The vast majority of women don't like video games and guys who play them because they flat out suck at video games, plain & simple.
Men, stop letting women dictate the rules on this. If she doesn't like video games, and you do, either:
a) Make an effort to include her in that part of your life. Perhaps start out with some 'chick-friendly' type of games like DDR, Guitar Hero / Rock Band, Mario Kart, the Wii, or Rez with the Trance Vibrator.
b) Tell her to shut-up and go shoe shopping with her girlfriends with her own money and leave you the hell alone so you can finally get past this stupid boss!
And as far as video games being a waste of time, they are. But they are supposed to be, they are a recreational activity. And I would like to point out that they are a much better use of time & money than the stereotypical 'female' recreational activities. For example:
Shoe shopping, or any sort of shopping for more BS that you don't need. Ugh...
Scrapbooking! This is the most insidious waste of time, money, and female productivity since the temperance movement and women's suffrage. Why the hell can't she learn to cook instead?
Reality shows! Seriously, tons of women will refuse to go out because American Idol,Dancing with the Stars, or whatever is on that night. Talk about a drop in IQ.
I remember a girl I was dating when the first God of War came out. We were on a double date with friends after which I invited them back to my place to check out the masterpiece that was God of War. We were all on the couch, and my male friend and I were totally engrossed taking turns playing it when his girlfriend turned to my girlfriend and asked 'Don't you hate it when these guys get all into a stupid game like this?'. My girlfriend responded 'Stupid game?! Are you kidding me?! This game is freaking absolutely amazing, I love it!'
I was so proud of her. We had a lot of fun taking turns playing that game, and plenty of others together. So much so, that I simply overlooked her scrapbooking addiction, and the fact that she forced me to watch Idol with her that season. Relationships are all about compromise, and knowing when to bring your man a beer and make him a sandwich. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 4/30/2008 10:24:52 AM | misogynist you are well name. Perhaps i should change my name to misandry and we will both throw around hateful generalizations and talk about the other sex like they are worthless. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 4/30/2008 10:28:04 AM | The things i don't particularily like about those who are always playing video games are the following.
My brother plays his games too often. Many people I know play their games too often that they cannot carry on a conversation without including mention of their games. This is annoying to me because they seem obsessed with their games and they keep going and going about them until i get sick. To me, it seeems like this is their life and their reason for existence. Grosss!!!!!
IF they play games moderately that is just fine. I see nothing wrong with that, it is just the obsessive game player that gets me so annoyed. Same thing about sports and cars. If u are a finatic about these things, i get sooooo annoyed.
This is the only problem i have with finatics of sports, games, cars, etc. Heck, if i had the time to I would take some time out to play a game or two. It's a stress reliever.
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 5/1/2008 8:27:13 PM | I play computer games, but ONLY when my other obligations are taken care of. Having many other obligations lately, for instance, I haven't played in over a month. Generally, I only play strategy-based games (because I love the puzzle element of them) and I play whatever MMO my friends are playing at the given time. I play MMOs mostly for the social aspect, as it gives me a way to have fun with my friends who are spread over the US and Canada. I've known most of them for a decade now. If they didn't play, I likely wouldn't either. I also want to point out that there are many girls that play them as well. I know one woman who plays them with her husband who is in the military and stuck in middle east for the time being with her in the US. She uses MMOs as a way to interacting and having fun with her husband while he is far away. I also know a woman who is so obsessed with World of Warcraft that she divorced her husband, took the kids and moved back in with her parents along with her kids. Her parents end up taking care of the kids while she at her computer all day and plays the game.
Video gamers are not all illiterate or uneducated. Everyone I play with has at minimum a 4 year college degree, is married and very successful. One individual I play with, for example, is the co-founder of one of the world's largest software companies. There are also sports stars the play them as well. Kurt Schilling (pitcher for the Red Sox), for instance, owns the MMO development company, 38 Studios ( www.38studios.com ) and is an avid World of Warcraft & Everquest II player.
Here are a couple links to site created by and dedicated to female gamers:
http://www.grrlgamer.com/
http://www.gamergirlsunite.com/ | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 5/2/2008 3:22:55 AM | It seems this is just turning into an extrovert vs introvert battle. Extroverts might play video games in short bursts and not really get drawn into them, but there's nothing wrong with those who do. As an introvert myself, I thank God for video games because I'd be bored out of my mind without them. Yes, I hang out with friends and see people, but it's just not something I want to do on a day to day basis.
It's not the video games' fault I don't want to spend the majority of my time with other people. The video game is not the cause. I just think it's sad to see so many extroverts trying to enforce their standards on everyone else. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 5/2/2008 6:17:59 AM | I don't understand those who go mountain climbing. They're passionate about it, they talk about it every chance they get, they spend tons of money on gear, gas to get to and from climb sites, etc. Yet you don't hear anyone complaining about that.
Again, I'm not saying there aren't the obsessive gamer types. There are people who are unhealthily obsessive about most anything if you look hard enough. But to negatively stereotype all gamers seems pointless. If someone negatively stereotypes ladies, then the women in this forum will rise to the defense. Same goes for negatively stereotyping handicapped people, different ethnicities, etc. But for some reason women consider it "okay" to negatively stereotype gamers if they don't happen to enjoy gaming.
Some games require more time investment than others (World of Warcraft is an immediate example that comes to mind). It's fine if you don't enjoy games; try them out with your guy if he's into it and you want to spend time together; if you're just not into it, then don't complain when he's doing it, as there are (or should be) things you like to do that he probably isn't into. It's awesome to spend as much time with your partner as you can, but you shouldn't be spending every waking moment with each other unless you're married.
Turn down a gamer, and you're doing the very thing you would otherwise complain so vehemently about: you're stereotyping. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:02:33 PM | My only problem with self-proclaimed gamers is that they tend to be a part of a sub-culture that I find too consuming for a potential mate. If they like video games, then they like anime, comic books, Monty Python, MST3K or WOW. Not always obviously since I like all of these things in moderation (although I will NEVER try WOW...I want to keep my life).
If I found a person like me who enjoyed a variety of topics and activities with one just happening to be video games, that wouldn't be a problem. My problem arises when the person is more interested in escapist activities rather than enriching ones. I have tons of friends who tabletop game (did it for years myself), watch anime, read manga, play video games and more, but they're my friends not my boyfriend. One or two in moderation would be fine, but I couldn't be with someone who wasn't well-rounded. It gets annoying and boring after awhile. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:13:05 PM | Well, some anime is good and a lot of it is horrible. And I guess that's true, being an avid gamer myself. But I also do other things, I enjoy watching movies, reading literature, writing poetry, drawing and sketching, all sorts of things.
I guess I feel alienated because, a guy who chose, say football ( I like football, but I like to watch more than play it), or any other physical sport, and loves it as much as I love video games, would be considered a superior mate. And I understand the physical attraction that stemies, especially if it made the person successful.
But, I can be physically healthy as well and not be active in sports. If you were on a date with a guy and one of his interests were that he "loves to play basketball" you wouldn't give it much thought. If i said I "loved video games" And spoke no more about it like the basketball guy, It seems women would raise a red flag more.
And I guess, the phsyical aspect of sports can justify women not caring as it is an activity and a positive one I agree. But in essence, especially in regards to maturity, both of them are, well, games. And in practice, both are somewhat pointless in the end. Though physical sports does have the health factor I mentioned above, so I guess I just contradicted myself, but that's really the only thing.
With that said, I workout and do 30 minutes of cardio daily, and play video games. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:31:13 PM |
My only problem with self-proclaimed gamers is that they tend to be a part of a sub-culture that I find too consuming for a potential mate. If they like video games, then they like anime, comic books, Monty Python, MST3K or WOW.
It *is* possible to enjoy these things and still be a well-rounded person. I enjoy Monty Python. What does that mean? It means that when I come home from work and feel like parking it on the sofa and spending some time with my cat, that the DVD I choose to watch will probably be something like The Holy Grail or Fawlty Towers.
Not always obviously since I like all of these things in moderation (although I will NEVER try WOW...I want to keep my life).
Here's another crazy anomaly - I play both WoW and City of Heroes and yet I still manage to leave the house enough to have a social life.
If I found a person like me who enjoyed a variety of topics and activities...
So Monty Python, comic books, anime, and MST3K aren't a variety of topics and activities? What are they, a fishtank?
with one just happening to be video games, that wouldn't be a problem. My problem arises when the person is more interested in escapist activities rather than enriching ones.
Being into anime can lead to a career in art or animation. Liking J-Pop may lead to an overall appreciation of Japanese culture... and they do give degrees in that sort of thing. Just ask my company's receptionist, who majored in it in college.
I have tons of friends who tabletop game (did it for years myself), watch anime, read manga, play video games and more, but they're my friends not my boyfriend. One or two in moderation would be fine, but I couldn't be with someone who wasn't well-rounded. It gets annoying and boring after awhile.
It sounds to me like you have a problem with annoying, obsessive people - and people like that do tend to gravitate towards nerdy activities like those mentioned above. I'm sure if you were dating me and, hypothetically, I spent more time with my guitar than I did with you, you'd have a problem with that as well. I mean, I'm not a professional musician (I develop software) so it counts as a hobby... and since I don't play clubs or concerts or even release my own music, it's not a terribly enriching hobby. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 5/2/2008 2:48:50 PM | | Video games are addictive, and women figure that once their mans addicted theyll be doing all the housework and having solo sex ha ha | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 5/2/2008 3:18:46 PM |
It *is* possible to enjoy these things and still be a well-rounded person. I enjoy Monty Python. What does that mean? It means that when I come home from work and feel like parking it on the sofa and spending some time with my cat, that the DVD I choose to watch will probably be something like The Holy Grail or Fawlty Towers.
Yes, I know this. I happen to be one of them. I co-founded a local anime discussion group, can recite The Holy Grail from memory and play a mean game of Halo. My point was that in my experience the persons who term themselves "gamers" tend to gravitate towards certain consuming activities and cease to be well-rounded. Although I enjoy video games, I am not a part of the "gamer" sub-culture.
So Monty Python, comic books, anime, and MST3K aren't a variety of topics and activities? What are they, a fishtank?
I see them as escapist pursuits rather than enriching ones. I enjoy escapist pursuits, but they're not the only type I partake in and I have friends to enjoy those with. I don't mind doing these things with a boyfriend. I mind if escapist activities are the only types of things he enjoys doing.
I'm not commenting on all gamer men, only my personal experiences with them. I used to list my enjoyment of video games/anime/manga/robot chicken/monty python and mst3k on my profile along with my other loves but it attracted a particular type of person. He would term himself a "gamer", get excited that I read stuff like Sandman or played Wii but he never reached outside of the sub-culture's sphere. If he watched tv, it was G4. If he wanted to see a movie, it was a comic book one (Blade/Spiderman/etc). If he had something to share, it was something like the Dark Knight trailer with Legos. No offense, but I can do all of those things with my friends.
It's true, I don't enjoy dating obsessive people who get consumed by any activity. Whether it be games, sports, music or politics. If that's all the person can talk about or relate to, then the relationship isn't going to last. If I could find a guy who could enjoy video games without being a "Cartoon Network Boyfriend", then I'd have zero problems with it. I play video games for one hour every day after work to unwind. I admire and appreciate moderation coupled with enrichment. Each person is different of course. I was only speaking of my own experiences. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 5/2/2008 5:08:31 PM | | I find a guy who knows his way around a game remote a turn on. I enjoy video games, as I am a gamer, and find it a fun, social event. I also get lots of ideas from games when it comes to running rpgs (which I do far too often now-a-days). So in short, if it's a deal breaker, girl needs to get a clue. Gamer guys are pretty awesome, have good finger dexterity (which is very... uhm... handy) and are usually pretty nice. They often have nice guy syndrome, although the well adjusted ones are well worth the hours put into playing Halo together. | |
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| What's with the hatred of video games?
Posted: 5/2/2008 9:02:16 PM | | Women like men. Video games represents children. I enjoy video games every so often, but that doesn't make it any more "childish". Really overall video games just have a bad stigma. | |
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