| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/26/2008 9:53:47 AM | I saw a debate on a news show regarding this earlier today.
I have to ask this question:
What if the woman says "stop" and he doesn't stop for 4 seconds? 3? 2? 1?
and he's going to be put in prison 15 years for this as he would if he'd held a knife to her throat and forced himself on her with no consent at all?
I can understand why women might not see this at first and are afraid that if someone is not obligated to stop when they say, then they could easily become a target for people who won't stop no matter what... BUT...to consent and then holler rape because the guy didn't stop less five or ten seconds later?
That's ridiculous... | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/26/2008 10:24:51 AM | Let's see now......
You and the woman are doing the in/out, in/out.
And, she tells you she's got an attack of diarrhea.
And, she says she's got to get to the bathroom right now or else she's going to take a dump right there in the bed.
Do you stop or do you keep on going ? | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/26/2008 11:06:37 AM | | 5 seconds sounds like a tiny amount of time but again, what's the "right" answer? In this case, I think the guilty verdict is appropriate because it's not a matter of pulling out, but of continuing to attempt to penetrate her. So, he was attempting to take things further. That's why I say the time isn't the problem. If he was already in her and took 5 seconds to get out, I think the verdict would have been different. I do think 15 years is a very long sentance for this particular incedent. | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/26/2008 12:42:28 PM | | First of all,she shouldn't have put herself in that position.What is she thinking ,agreeing to particapate in that kind of act with 2 guys in the first place.The point is she said no and he stopped and it took 5 seconds for him to stop.They were in a car, depending on the position they were in, it might take him 5 seconds to pull out if he had to pull on something to get off of her .And how could you agree to do something that personal with someone and make a person go to jail over 5 seconds.He stopped it took 5 seconds is that worth 15 years .no | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/26/2008 1:37:03 PM | Your question is a good valid one, and the very reason that I have not dated in over four years.
I have heard that the woman had consensual sex with a fellow, then weeks later claimed that he raped her.... and it was clear from some of the cases that it was only said because he had made her angry with him. In most of the cases, she won.
The result of her accusing him? Ten to twenty YEARS in prison!
Each of the cases? No proof other than her word against his. And in court, HER word is always given more weight than his.
I once met a prostitute that was cute and sweet.... on the surface. She would sleep with the guy, then as soon as she was done, call the police. She would tell them that they had to give her ALL of their money or she would accuse them of rape and they would be in prison for years and years. She had about ten men arrested before the police caught on. It's un-telling how many were robbed blind.
So should the man stop when the woman says stop? On the down stroke? One more second? Five? Let me tell you....
The safest way is to draw up a contract, get it notarized, then have an impartial witness.
That, or never put yourself in a situation where you can possibly be accused of anything. That means no sex, no alone time, no cuddling, no making out, no kissing.
So women, you want to say "It's MY body, and I have TOTAL control." Yes, you shall have that control when you deal with me. Because I frankly don't want you anywhere near me. You are just not getting it. We are tired of being abused. That’s why you rarely meet any "good" men anymore. THOSE men do not want to fool with you.
My last straw was a woman that invited a man to a hotel room, drugged him, shoved an "Ejaculation Machine" that was designed to make cows and horses ejaculate up his butt, then turned it on. He did, she turkey basted herself and got pregnant.
He was hit with child support, forced to pay it, and NOTHING was done to her. If the roles had been reversed, he would have spent the rest of his life in jail.
No thank you.
I would rather be single and celibate until the woman that wants to submit and be a part of me comes along. After all, I want a woman of her own free will for the rest of my life… but I also demand that once she makes that decision, she have the guts and self control to honor it. No more, no more. I’m sick of traitors. | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/26/2008 2:19:05 PM | Basically, the moment one individual in the sex act decides to act selfishly, has the thought in their own mind, and puts their own needs ahead of the other, then, at that moment, the sex act has now become RAPE.
It doesn't matter what kind of relationship one has with the other -- they could be married to one another or it could be a one-night-stand, or the sex act could be completely against the other's will.
It doesn't matter what gender the participants are, male/male; female/female; male/female.
It doesn't matter under what circumstances they came to be together.
Since it's not possible to read a person's mind, we are left with the law's clumsy attempts to discern, with various means, the mindset of the individuals involved, as to whether one of them has committed rape.
If their thoughts could be read, and they both acted selfishly during the sex act and put their needs ahead of their partner's, then, as absurd as it sounds, they have just raped each other.
Such is the nature of RAPE. | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/26/2008 6:24:54 PM | I hope someone appreciates the fact that it took several days to turn this essay up:
"Yes Means No - Troubling questions about rape and consent", by Cathy Young (at Reason Magazine)
http://www.reason.com/news/show/31876.html
And if an hour ago you'd told me to stop looking for it, I wouldn't have. 
"...the goal is, and has been for more than 30 years, to criminalize as much normal male behavior as possible, and sucker as many men into it as possible." - zed the zen priest
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/27/2008 6:08:44 PM | Giddean said:
My last straw was a woman that invited a man to a hotel room, drugged him, shoved an "Ejaculation Machine" that was designed to make cows and horses ejaculate up his butt, then turned it on. He did, she turkey basted herself and got pregnant.
He was hit with child support, forced to pay it, and NOTHING was done to her. If the roles had been reversed, he would have spent the rest of his life in jail.
No thank you.
Me:
Holy *uck!! Now thats a crazy ass B*tch! | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/27/2008 7:50:25 PM | Gideon Quoted [I would rather be single and celibate until the woman that wants to submit and be a part of me comes along ]
I don't doubt you will be single and celibate for the rest of your life with that bad attitude of all women. Or maybe if you hate women that much, become gay. | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/27/2008 8:07:54 PM | Well Hi my views are this
Being a Australian and agree with the law it is my understanding in Australia that if anytime a women say's no and a Guy or a Women continues having sex it in eyez of the law is Rape.
As it may have been consentual at first and what ever reason the person has not consented.
So end of the day can argue but what if's and what about!
But Key word is No Go beyond NO and in this particular case its Rape.
I just would hope anyone who was intimate with a person, new the persona and was consentual.
I do remember many years ago read aarticle in the Sydney paper that a Prostitue brought charges against a Client who picked her up off the street and had sex with her, he payed her, During the Sex she decided that she didnt want it and he kept going.
That guy got charged for rape as She said No even if the women was a prostitute and was payed. true stroy
presently allot of tv adds on tv encourgaing women to report crime against them if abused | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/27/2008 8:38:50 PM | | What happens when she is screaming "dont stop dont stop oh God dont stop" would that be considered rape if some of the neighbors heard it they could claim I heard her say "dont and stop". Just trying to lighten things up no mean no so pull out and get off of her before you spend the next 10 to 20 years screaming no to your cell mate. | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/27/2008 11:27:57 PM | Okay, I didn't read too many of the posts in this thread, so I am probably echoing but..
Yeah dude, it's rape. It's wrong.
I mean, if the person genuinely was saying, and or indicating they wanted the sex to stop, then it's no longer consensual, and therefore continuing it would be against her will i.e rape.
I hope everyone understand this is the case.. | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/28/2008 1:20:33 AM | It does not matter in these cases. It is 15 minutes of fame to put someone away for a long time. I can just see us ALL here arguing with the court and a jury at the moment of climax that you DID pull out when she said NO but they would still have your fluids if she went to the hospital....Just don't have sex with drunk girls and you might be alright.
AS SOON AS SHE SAYS NO  IT "COULD BE" RAPE....doesn't matter how many more 'plunges' you get in. As long as she feels violated the court will be in her favor. (Even if she wore that sexy miniskirt) | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/28/2008 7:57:30 AM |
Doesn't matter......she says yes and changes her mind, well it's simple...STOP!
No.. it's not in this case. The people who have chimed in on this thread of late with the simple "No means No" repetition need to go back and read the thread BEFORE commenting and making yourselves look ignorant.
Everyone to a person has agreed that no means no in a general sense so you're not adding anything to the discussion to continue to repeat that.
This is a much more complicated case that resulted in 2 boys being sentenced to YEARS in prison and having their entire lives ruined for engaging in consensual sex. All because some screwed up young lady decided that she had been "raped" after the fact. Because one boy continued to try to penetrate the girl for 5 SECONDS after she decided to withdraw her previously given consent, he was setenced to 15 YEARS IN PRISON!
The judge in this case is the one who should be in prison.
I totally agree with an earlier poster. What p!sses me off about this situation is that claims like this really only hurt those who have legitimately been the victims of rape because it cheapens their pain and legitimate claims.  | |
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| Is It Rape If She Consents and Changes Her Mind During the Act?
Posted: 4/28/2008 9:43:10 AM | No means No in all languages.
If a lady says no because she suddenly feels uncomfortable then a man should respect that and if he had any decency he would stop, yes it is rape if he does not give a dam and carries on anyway. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 10:34:49 AM | Okay, lets talk about ignorance:
Because one boy continued to try to penetrate the girl for 5 SECONDS
That's 5 seconds of rape. And what do you mean by "try"?
This may seem insignificant to you. Perhaps at 7 seconds it would make more sense? Regardless, 1 second of non-consensual sex is rape. It's not "under carnal knowledge". | |
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