| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/16/2008 4:35:13 PM |
They are canaries in the coal mine (referring to Republican seats being lost) , warning of far greater losses in the fall, if steps are not taken to remedy the current climate.The political atmosphere facing House Republicans this November is the worst since Watergate and is far more toxic than it was in 2006.
Representative Tom Davis, Republican of Virginia and former leader of his party's Congressional campaign committee
This was a real wake-up call for us. We can't let the Democrats take our issues. We can't let them pretend to be conservatives and co-opt the middle and win these elections. We have to get the attention of our incumbents and candidates and make sure they understand this.
Robert M. Duncan, chairman of the Republican National Committee
Considering they are both Republicans, quite highly placed Republicans, I think their fear is certainly quite justified.
Now, if the Democrats were smart - it's the time to unite and listen to that political Mortal Kombat announcer.
"FINISH HIM ! "
Times a wastin' | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/16/2008 4:41:20 PM | Considering they are both Republicans, quite highly placed Republicans, I think their fear is certainly quite justified.
Now, if the Democrats were smart - it's the time to unite and listen to that political Mortal Kombat announcer.
"FINISH HIM ! "
Times a wastin'
"finish him" was also said by sensei in the karate kid while daniel laruso was battling johnny and the rest of the cobra cai. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/16/2008 5:39:03 PM | Obama will take the majority of the Dem. votes... which won't be enough to get him elected.
Shouldn't be a real close race.
None of us are going to have our opinions changed.. well.. the majority of us here on the Forums.
Soooo, we simply debate with the same stance... over and over.  | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/16/2008 6:44:54 PM | I hope I'm right in Nov. cause I don't think I'd like the taste of crow at all. No sirreee indeedy.
Gotta luv us all ... right MG  | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/16/2008 6:49:01 PM | Hey the one thing that all Americans win with is the incredible interest in politics this is generating in people. People getting involved, discussing, having passionate discussions about politics ?
Dramatic increases in voter registration and voter turn out ?
Compared to primaries and presidential elections of any recent memory, for a generation or so ?
No one loses , with that. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/16/2008 6:53:34 PM | | ^^ Very true. Who thinks that this record turnout of new voters involves a large chunk of pro-McCain folks? Not I. For a good chuckle, check out www.gop.gov. It includes the tagline "The Change You Deserve." I guess that word isn't just for dems anymore. Jon Stewart made a good joke at their expense: "If your Buick isn't working properly, may I suggest... your Buick!" | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/16/2008 6:59:00 PM | *sucking my thumb* as I type one handed...
Me thinks the middle class blue collar American (both male and female) will make it a point to vote this year. ...........
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| let's get real for a second Posted: 5/17/2008 8:38:35 AM | | statistically obama has a good chance to become president. looks to me like the country is poised for a democratic sweep of president AND congress. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/17/2008 8:50:36 AM | Hey the one thing that all Americans win with is the incredible interest in politics this is generating in people. People getting involved, discussing, having passionate discussions about politics ?
Dramatic increases in voter registration and voter turn out ?
Compared to primaries and presidential elections of any recent memory, for a generation or so ?
No one loses , with that
I stand corrected. You are totally correct in what you say. I've never been so involved in politics and I find it exciting and titillating. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/17/2008 10:31:16 AM | looks to me like the country is poised for a democratic sweep of president AND congress.
Since recent US election are usually decided on fear-based issues, it really depends which Joe Sixpack is more afraid of.
4 more years of war, failing economy, deficit spending & all the things the Republican party is now associated with...
OR
Being 'ruled' by a black man or a woman.
One cool new factor in this election is that large #s of people (college kids, etc.) are voting based on Hope...something we haven't seen in a while.
Personally, I think the results will be manipulated to continue the status quo. Not by a vast conspiracy of party-wide colusion, but by a very select group of non-partisan insiders. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/17/2008 10:35:50 AM |
One cool new factor in this election is that large #s of people (college kids, etc.) are voting based on Hope...something we haven't seen in a while.
you think it's cool that college kids are voting? you know where we rank in education don't you? I think it's freaking scary! I was an idiot when I was in college. I can now upgrade myself to mid grade dip s h i t. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/17/2008 10:39:44 AM | I think that it's cool that ANYONE is voting due to progressive ideals, rather than reactionary ones.
I use the word progressive in the sense of looking forward to new challenges, rather than concentrating on keeping things the same as they were yesterday. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/17/2008 10:58:54 AM |
In terms of higher education, I believe we rank pretty high.
our public schools, despite ranking #2 in spending, rank 18th in test scores. there are some good colleges, but they have an agenda. some are more institutions of brainwashing, rather then institutions that encourage independent thought. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/17/2008 11:58:49 AM |
there are some good colleges, but they have an agenda. some are more institutions of brainwashing, rather then institutions that encourage independent thought.
What portion of college students major in a subject that could even have an agenda? | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/17/2008 5:38:26 PM | Well, some more evidence just in.
One of those three anchors in the McCain platform - the Bush presidency.
And an interview with Republican Tom Davies III
Thomas M. "Tom" Davis III (born January 5, 1949 in Minot, North Dakota) is a Republican member of the United States House of Representatives, representing Virginia's 11th congressional district in Northern Virginia. Davis was considering a run for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by five-term incumbent and fellow Republican John Warner in the 2008 election, but decided against it. He announced by January 30, 2008, that he will not seek reelection to an eighth term.
May 16, 2008 Rep. Davis Calls for GOP Separation from "Radioactive" Bush
AL HUNT: We begin the program with Congressman Tom Davis. Congressman, you wrote this now famous 21-page memo about the Republican problems this fall. You say it's the worst environment you've seen in 30 years. The Politico this week talks about the GOP crash. Things don't look good. What two things could the Republican Party do right now in order to head off a disaster in November?
REPRESENTATIVE TOM DAVIS (R-VA): Well, two things - number one, they've got to get some separation from the president. The president is the face of the party. He is absolutely radioactive at this point. And they're seen as just in lock-step with him on everything. They've got to go back and establish - I'm talking about Congressional Republicans at this point and McCain, to a certain extent.
REP. DAVIS: Well, we'll see how it plays out. I think it was contemplated. I think they want to try to contrast it the best way they can. The difficulty for us right now is that President Bush is - although he's the president and the leader of the party - when you turn on the TV and see him, two-thirds of the people turn him off. They're not going to believe him even when he's right so he's got to get surrogates. Everybody has got to be going in one motion.
REP. DAVIS: Well, it does matter. I mean, look, the Republicans have got to pull together and work as a team. And the reason that they have - what I ask is, what has changed since November '06 when the voters threw us out? Usually, when a business has a down year, you retool, you come back. We haven't retooled at all. I mean, I think they know they need to retool, but political leaders are traditionally risk-averse so they do the same old, same old, same old.
And that's what's happened in the last 18 months and now that mold has hardened and it gets tougher to move outside of that. These guys - we rely on them to get together and work it out and come up with a new plan. And that's going to be their test over the next couple of weeks. It's not either or. It's not you're right or you're wrong. They've got to sit across the table.
REP. DAVIS: You've got to remember the reason people like McCain. I'm talking about independent voters because that's what it's all about. Party identification right now gives the Democrats a generic in double digits, 10 to 15 points somewhere. This is the largest generic Democratic advantage in at least 20 years. So, for Republicans, whose numbers are dwindling, it's all about getting those independent voters.
You've got to remember, for McCain at this point, I think he has got to play to that. The Republicans will fall in behind at the end if only because the attacks from the Democrats and everything else will drive what the contrast is. He is positioned to do that because the things that are carrying him forward right now are the things that a lot of Republicans have not liked him for over the years. But that independence puts him in good stead in this environment. And rather than going back and catering to a shrinking base, he's got to orient himself towards Independents.
MR. HUNT: And strike, as you said earlier, strike more distance from this president.
REP. DAVIS: Oh, he has to at this point. If he is seen as Bush III, he's a 20-point loser.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/ rep_davis_calls_for_separation.html
From his mouth to God's ear.
They's on the run, boys ! Chaaaaaaaarge ! | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/17/2008 6:00:29 PM |
Republican Consultant Alex Castellanos: Obama Has 60 Percent Odds of Winning
J.H.: So you believe that Democrats won't be able to rebrand McCain as a Bush clone, as they plainly plan to do — and in which cause they have some evidence to work with?
A.C.: I worry they will be able to do that. BHO may have half a billion dollars to work with. Plus the undying love of a great portion of the Fourth Estate. He doesn't have to win that argument, he may only need to raise the noise level sufficiently so that McCain is on defense and can't get his message through. Then the Democrat's advantage on the generic ballot kicks in, America preferring Dems to Republicans in this election by a dozen points. Ouch. That could hurt.
J.H.: Glad you brought up the money …
A.C.: I'm a media guy. We think about that occasionally.
J.H.: Yeah, the implications of Obama having four or five times as much dough as McCain are pretty daunting for your guy. If the Dems decide to spend millions in states that McCain has to win — Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, etc. — forcing him to spend scarce resources just to hold them … hoo boy. That’s an ugly picture for the GOP.
A.C.: Yes, I think most Republicans have noticed that. Obama can spread out the field. It is an undeniable advantage. So it’s up to Republicans to compete. Nobody said this had to be fair.
J.H.: Care to give candid odds on McCain pulling this thing off?
A.C.: Advantage Obama, 60-40. But I've been in campaigns that have won with a lot worse odds than that.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/05/john_heilemann_talks_with_repu.html
And that's from a guy who is working with McCain.  | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/19/2008 8:17:28 AM | This week, Sen. Obama took offense at being called an appeaser, then spent the rest of the week distancing himself from his statement at the YouTube debate. http://www.letfreedomringblog.com/?p=2737 One of his minions even tried ignoring the fact that Obama originally said that he'd meet with Ahmadinejad, Castro, Chavez and Kim Jung Il without preconditions. This after Sen. Obama fired Robert Malley for having contact with a member of Hamas.
If it's wrong for a campaign staffer to meet with Hamas, why isn't it equally wrong to meet with Hezbollah?
Both terrorist organizations are dedicated to Israel's destruction. Both terrorist organizations commit acts of violence against Israel in the form of rocket attacks. The inevitable conclusion one must draw of Hamas and Hezbollah is that there isn't a dime's worth of difference between them.
The next question I have is why this isn't being reported in the press. Is the media that unaware of the meeting? Or are they that disinterested in the meeting? You'd think it was big news if a presidential candidate meets with an agent of Hezbollah. | |
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