| Let's Get Real for a Second! Posted: 5/4/2008 12:47:59 PM | I agree with xNEROx that Obama will get the nomination, and that McCain will lose. McCain's temper will be his downfall, and people will see the contrast between the emotionally stable Barack Obama and the screaming, ranting madman that McCain really is.
The right wing media is going nuts over Wright while McCain's Parsley is getting a free pass. Parsley has said things far worse than Wright (not that I like Wright--he's a knucklehead and an embarrassment). Parsley and Hagee are screwballs who have had a very bad influence on McCain. We should wake people up to Parsley and its ilk. I know spices and herbs that are smarter than Parsley!!! | |
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| Let's Get Real for a Second! Posted: 5/4/2008 2:25:39 PM | ^^^ True. Hagee sounds like an old-time anti-Catholic (only with the extra-added fun quality that he's also a rabid "Christian-Zionist" who basically wants to see the world end in the Middle East as soon as humanity can get around to making that happen....so he can be "raptured"... ). Makes me wish for an arena and some large hungry felines, personally...  | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/4/2008 4:03:33 PM | It really depends on how many hillary supporters will support Obama in the general election. If even half of the hillary supporter go to Obama then McCain is in trouble.
And also depends how much the democrats are able to tie McCain to the republican party. Right now the current approval rate of the republican party in general is 30%. No party or president other than right now has ever had that low of an approval rating. So basically if McCain can distance himself from the republican party and go with the vote for the man vs. the party idea then he has a good shot. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/4/2008 4:11:42 PM |
It really depends on how many hillary supporters will support Obama in the general election. If even half of the hillary supporter go to Obama then McCain is in trouble.
That's the thing that troubles me. Hillary has caused such a rift that the party is in tatters, and how is that productive to the causes she supposedly fights so hard for? They are the same causes Obama fights for too...but a lot of her sympathizers will vote McCain because of the circus she has started. bah. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/4/2008 8:49:38 PM | ^^^ Ahh, I don't know. Some may, granted. Out of spite, or whatever. But at the end of the day I'm just finding it hard to picture a whole hell of a lot of Clinton Dems, who are in favor of , let's say, universal health care for instance, and removing troops ASAP from Iraq, etc etc, just setting ALL of that aside and casting a Repub vote. Especially after the countrywide (damn near civil war-like in some areas IMO) rift and level of polarization that this past administration has basically caused between Dem supporters and Repub supporters, liberals and conservatives. I mean, I see this rift as deep, personally (and I'm not saying I'm not a part of it; I really am not on speaking terms with any hardline conservatives or GOP supporters myself).
And then there are also, as I said before, people who MAY have voted Repub before --- prior to Ron Paul's interesting grassroots campaign which basically left a lot of previously potential GOP voters as somewhat bitter at the "system" Independents who would rather abstain than vote for one of the "approved 2-Party choices" now. I have a really close friend of mine who's like that; formerly he would have been a GOP voter (causing me nausea and inner rage of course, but... ), but after seeing Paul get what they view to have been a raw deal from the other GOP candidates and the Mainstream Media, he says he'll never vote GOP again. So I view that as a good thing, personally and something that could potentially detract further from McCain votes in the long run. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 6:30:39 AM | xNEROx,
you got it right! There will be more than a few voters who were duped by the right-wing in the past two elections, but by now they have realized that they made a big mistake. This time they will abstain or vote for someone other than the republican candidate who is backed by the right-wing media, bent on continuing with the plundering of our nation. I have a feeling that we will have a united front against McCain. If you heard Hillary speaking last night in Indiana you can't but feel good about Obama's chances in the general election. After her speech I am convinced that she will work on uniting the democrats, and I hope that all the truly honest Hillary supporters will come along with her. If so, goodbye Bush, Cheney, McCain, and all the friends who accumulated illegal profits during these years. I wish them the best of luck in hiding them, but I can't stop thinking that somehow a government will be able to find them and tax the hell out of them. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 7:25:31 AM | Hillary's quite up front with her " experience" of running the nation, right ?
She's had all those years in the White House, right ?
There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration.
She did not sit in on National Security Council meetings.
She did not have a security clearance.
She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room.
She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff.
She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not.
She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis.
As far as the record shows, Senator Clinton never answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue – not at 3 AM or at any other time of day.
http://thepage.time.com/obama-foreign-policy-memo/
On the day that dozens of US cruise missiles rained down on Serbia in an attempt to punish Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic for the country's onslaught against ethnic Albanian separatists in Kosovo, first lady Hillary Clinton was far from the White House war room: she was touring ancient Egyptian ruins.
But an initial reading of some of the more than 11,000 pages of Clinton's schedules from her days as first lady, released yesterday by the National Archives and the William Jefferson Clinton Presidential Library, shows that often she was far from the site of decision making during some of the most pivotal events of Bill Clinton's presidency.
Clinton, who was an attorney and first lady of Arkansas before moving to the White House, frequently claims more than 30 years' experience in public life, contrasting herself with Barack Obama's slimmer resume - he served several years in the Illinois legislature and was elected to the US senate in 2004.
"The schedules do help illustrate Hillary Clinton's extensive and exhaustive work as a public servant and her role as an influential advocate at home and around the world on behalf of our country," Clinton campaign spokesman Jay Carson said in a statement.
But documents from her first lady office threaten to undermine her claim to have played a major role in Clinton's foreign policy decisions.
For instance, Clinton has said she helped negotiate the April 1998 Good Friday agreement between warring factions in Northern Ireland. But while Catholic and Protestant figures hashed out details of a power-sharing agreement in Belfast Clinton was at the National Press Club in Washington at a "Hats on Bella" party honouring Bella Abzug, a congresswoman from New York who had recently died. While President Clinton phoned major participants in the peace talks she met with Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel and joined a farewell party for Democratic worker Karen Finney. The day the agreement was inked she met with Philippine first lady Amelita Ramos.
When Nato launched air strikes against Serbia in an attempt to punish Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic for the country's onslaught against ethnic Albanian separatists in Kosovo Clinton toured Egyptian ruins, including King Tut's tomb and the temple of Hatshepsut. She dined at the Temple of Luxor, and stayed overnight at the Sofitel Winter Palace Hotel there.
Presidents of three Balkan states signed a peace agreement in Dayton, Ohio, in November 1995, ending years of ethnic violence in the former Yugoslavia. Clinton's file lists no public schedule for that day, but indicates she was in Washington.
November 17 1993 The House of Representatives votes to approve the North American Free Trade Agreement, giving President Clinton one of the biggest triumphs of his early presidency. Senate approval was virtually assured.
Hillary Clinton meets congressional and cabinet spouses. She returns to the White House later for meetings and "Office/Phone Time".
April 7 1994 Hutu extremists in Rwanda begin the slaughter of Tutsis and moderate Hutus. Eight thousand are killed on the first day of the genocide. Americans have been shocked by US military deaths in Somalia and the US evacuates American citizens but President Clinton resists calls to intervene in Rwanda.
Names of participants in Clinton's schedule have been redacted by national archives staff. Later in the day she meets with the wife of a Georgia congressman, has private meetings with staff, and gives media interviews on healthcare issues.
April 9 and 10 1998 Catholic and Protestant parties work through the night thrashing out the Good Friday power-sharing agreement in Belfast.
Hillary Clinton attends a memorial event at the National Press Club in Washington for a New York City congresswoman. She also meets with Philippine first lady Amelita Ramos.
March 24 1999 US cruise missiles rain down on Serbia in an attempt to punish Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic for the country's onslaught against ethnic Albanian separatists in Kosovo.
Hillary Clinton tours ancient Egyptian ruins.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/20/hillaryclinton.uselections2008
During the Clinton presidency, when they were under attack all the time, the Clinton White House went out of their way to portray here as First Lady - not co-President.
So were they lying then, or now ? | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 7:58:09 AM | It been my experience ~ that husband and wife work as a team ~ They chew on issues, over dinner, in the shower, after sex ~ on the way to grandmaws house ~ they discuss things. ~
Both Bill and Hillary are bright people ~ this is documented ~ Roades Scholar for Bill ~ and Hillary ability top keep him amused ~ ( well ~ most of the time anyway)
I don't think you should completely discount her first chair and white house experience ~~
It took me years to learn to live with a powerful woman ~ they want to talk about everything thats going on at work ~ but they don't want you to fix it! ~ Many times , I knew more then I cared too.
My father was a electrician, ~ I started helping him when I was 12, ~ By 18 , I was doing journeyman work ~~ no schools, no licenses ~ nothing. ~ I just knew the work.
It made it trickly and kind of embrassing filling out job applications ~ claiming 6 years experience and the ripe old age of 18 ~ ~ employer? ~ Oh! my dad was a electrician. Never went over to well ~ lol ~ ~ thats kind of where Hillary is at with this ~
She has seen power being wield for the main chair ~ and worthly that consideration. The main reason ~ she's got my consideration. ~ otherwise , I 'd go with Obama. dance | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 10:11:05 AM |
I don't think you should completely discount her first chair and white house experience ~~
I know a pilot. He won't shut up about it. I can't fly a plane. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 10:41:00 AM | My ex worked in advertising for most of the time I knew her.
That wouldn't get me a job in any ad agency in Montreal, nor anywhere else.  | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 1:19:41 PM | tit for tat ~
agreed ~ soooo ~ o Obama knows more about the in's and out of the oval office???
or Mc Cain for that matter? And just how much that is worth? ~ I think of all the past mistakes made, that might not be repeted. ~ I see that as a big plus.
The down side ~ seems the GOP hates the Clinton's ~ and I'd like to see some bipartsian corporation. ~ Yet I'd hate the idea of discounting a candidate because the other party didn't like them. ~ GOP is not exactly my friend either. ~dance | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 1:29:18 PM | ^^^ Here's a great idea for the next president (whoever it ends up being); create a special advisory cabinet position. Only one man is necessary, and he will hold it for life. That man will be George W Bush. The new president(s) from here on out will simply ask "W" for his advice, "President Bush what would you have done in this situation" , and then as long as they basically do the exact opposite of whatever he advises, everything should be .... better than it is right now at least.  | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 1:56:19 PM |
the in's and out of the oval office???
Apparently Hillary didn't know as much about them either.
The problem is that Hillary doesn't have Bill's luck to pull through any experience she did learn if anything.
There will be no tech boom to make it seem that she saved the economy. What did she learn from an administration that gave jobs away that gives her experience in bringing them back? How could one of the definers of partisan gridlock break through it?
With Hillary, like it or not, it's the same old machine. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 1:56:56 PM | .
If Obama wins the election he can thank Hillary Clinton.
Indiana has registered the most voters ever. They are expecting more voters than any General election. Every election has been this way... Hillary has a great deal of support.
She stayed with this and grown the party. Indiana has never mattered.... When did Guam mean anything, Or?
If he is selected Bill and Hillary will be VERY Important to deliver the White House..... SO all you Hillary Haters think about that. The Democratic party was in ruins before Clinton...
Ms Obama has said she won’t support Hillary which demonstrates where her head is.
If BO thinks he will get anything done when elected without the full support of Hillary... ....He is a Dreamer or Naive.
I personally think he is both.... | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 3:44:13 PM | Hi Bob,
BO chances will be better if the democratic party is united. I have faith in the idea that Hillary will work to achieve that goal and support BO in November. If she asks her supporters to work as hard as they can in order to defeat McCain, then BO will be the next president, but only if her supporters heed her call.
My question is: will you do your part, or would you sit at home hoping that McCain wins?
Not all people who criticize Hillary are Clinton haters. Some of us are just not ready to canonize them. My problem with some of the Hillary supporters is that they can't find a way to express their support without resorting to the repeated, idiotic, nonsensical rethoric of the right wing. They are doing McCain a big favor. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 4:27:40 PM | . I don’t believe I had heard anything about sainthood??? ....(sounds like a Clinton Non-hater comment)
Last night the Obama supporters booed The Governor of N.C.... Is that a good means of expression??
I am like Michelle Obama ...
When ABC's Deborah Roberts interviewed Michelle Obama on "Good Morning America" Monday morning, she asked what Obama would do if her husband's rival got the Democratic Party's nomination: Roberts: "Could you see yourself working to support Hillary Clinton if she gets the nomination?" Obama: "I'd have to think about that. I'd have to think about policies, her approach, her tone."
I no longer have to think about it.... Michelle does not have the ablity to draw Clinton supporters...Many of the Clinton voters are lost to Obama. Many will vote for McCain....
I appreciate you concern... If I “sit” at home hoping... | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 5:43:06 PM | I know what the Clinton's will do if OB get the nod ~ they will support him ~ both of them ~ OB mrs's needs to get her head on right. ~ She's mis spoke a few times already~ kind of reminds me of Bush ~ LOL !
I'd personally like to see Slick Willie back ~ unrestricted by title ~ and having to filling a chair. ~ It will be great ~ or a nightmare. ~ ~ no less then what I see with option B or C. To become richer and more powerful is a given regardless who sit in the chair.
The trickle down just seemed flow faster for me with Bill. ~ I've got more in common, I love people, especially women, good food, great music and to be left alone. ~ I wish it was that simple ~ we have some damage control to address. ~ Who would be the best to address this ~ McCain, Obama or Hillary? dance | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 6:56:36 PM | Bob,
the question is quite direct; there is no reason to spin around it looking for a justification for not going on record. If Hillary calls on her supporters to rally for BO in order to give us chance to bring back this country from the disastrous state of these last 8 years, would you as an ardent supporter of Hillary do your part and vote for BO, and not for McCain? | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 7:46:20 PM | Somehow I have a feeling that you are one of the McCain supporters disguising yourself as a Hillary supporter in order to attack BO with nonsensical stuff. The question was "If Hillary calls her supporters to work for Obama." You would have to think about that! I guess you are a true Clinton or McCain guy. I support Obama, but I won't have to wait for anybody to tell me to vote for Hillary. I know it already that if Hillary is the nominee, I will vote for her. We need to get rid of the Bush/Cheney/McCain gang. | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 8:33:35 PM | Bring in the yeller dawg ~ I respect McCain but I feel he's very much business a usual. Big business that is ~ I feel small business has been very neglected of late.
Everbody is not priviliged to work for the government, government subsidized interest or big business. We need a more level playing field or go socialist and no one finds that a plesant thought. As it presently stands ~We have so many on the public handout, for them it is socialism. ~ The middle~ helt in bondage ~ seems to carry the greatest burden by viture of shear numbers. Which is okay? ~ but we need a little wiggle room and don't have a staff of CPA's and attorney's to see we get it. ~ We just pay it ! and move on ~ constantly staying on our heels unable to get a toe hold ~
I look for a brighter day ~ dance | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 8:43:38 PM | . You would be that eager to support Hillary?
I am being unreasonable or a fake? ....... What's wrong with Michelle??? Is she a fake???
I thought Hillary was screwing up the Democratic Party.... I don't believe Obama Supporters would support Hillary... All I have heard is how she s going to steal it and she should have dropped out... | |
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| obama's chances in the general election Posted: 5/5/2008 10:33:29 PM | | I think Hillary is going to beat him in the primaries and then she will be the next president. I was for Obama till I went to Hillary's rally with my son and we got to sit a few rows back and got to meet her after. She was great! Changed my vote. I think she has more experience behind her. Hillary was really down to earth and eager to sign autographs and get her pic with u. She really rocked lafayette/west lafayette! She will win the state of Indiana! | |
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