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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/23/2008 9:29:52 PM | 
this has got to be the funniest thread i've ever come across!!!!!
US WOMEN ARE CONSTANTLY BEING CATERED TO!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the problem is the many women who purposely choose the nastiest guys and claim later that the guy was nice before...it's in the decision of the women but they won't learn until after 1-2 divorces or around age 40 what they did wrong! in those instances, THEY WERE ABUSED, but that was somewhat voluntary though not necessary asking for it.
US WOMEN on the most part are the most spoiled of all the women in the world!!!!! | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/23/2008 9:33:17 PM |
I don't think women are being taken for granted, but I can tell you that US american women have priced themselves out of the marketplace.
You left out family, too.
Fair? I think I speak for most when I tell you I'm sick and tired of hearing what's fair from those of you who haven't the slightest inclination of being fair on anything. You sell us out, throw us out, and put us out every chance you get. The only valid points are your own, and few actually make valid points for the lack of actual need. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2008 9:45:02 PM |
Do you ever feel that you are being taken for granted?
Yes, women are taken for granted. Always have been, always will be. It's nasty men who do it, have done it and always will do it. It's just the way men are. Ask around... or, just wait a page or two, I think I can hear the stamping of little feet headed this way from another thread...
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/23/2008 9:46:24 PM | You quoted my post. But to your post, WTF you talkin' about, dude.
I don't think women are being taken for granted, but I can tell you that US american women have priced themselves out of the marketplace.
You left out family, too.
Fair? I think I speak for most when I tell you I'm sick and tired of hearing what's fair from those of you who haven't the slightest inclination of being fair on anything. You sell us out, throw us out, and put us out every chance you get. The only valid points are your own, and few actually make valid points for the lack of actual need.
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/23/2008 10:08:58 PM | | Both men and women are being taken for granted by each other, but because of their complete lack of respect, appreciation, communication and understanding for each other.................it will never, ever be resolved. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/23/2008 11:17:12 PM | US WOMEN ARE CONSTANTLY BEING CATERED TO!
And if not, you can always promote feminist/socialist laws that insure it. In the UK, they actually can (by law) use taxpayer money to prevent certain women from experiencing foreclosure on homes. I'll bet the US follows suit pretty quickly.
Is there an equivalent law for men? Er . . . nevermind . . . | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/24/2008 8:16:38 AM | Men feel they are taken for granted, women feel they are taken for granted ... but not ALL of either gender. That is just the way of the world now isn't it. It is in the choosing to be accepted for who you really are without the ego getting in the way.
I don't really PASS any one by, actually I am open and feel free to talk to most everyone here on POF. I have made both women and man friends right directly from POF Lite as we can call it ... and also on the forums not so Lite. Hahaha but stimulating, intriguing and very, yes very educating. So I thank everyone for posting so frigging much ... and giving me so much to really think about. Thanks Happy for starting this thread and taking time to answer so many posts, including mine.
I want to say yes I feel I have been taken advantage of, or taken for granted but the real truth is ... the more I did for my husband and my family, freely without expectation, lovingly without material "reward", those day were ... THE BEST days of my life. Over the years I have felt the pain from feeling used, and sometimes washed up ... but usually from my own thoughts about myself. In my darkest time those whom I gave so much to freely came back to me and thus helped me on my way to my different life. Notice I did not say a NEW life for actually I already liked the one I had ... and needed only to learn acceptance for the things that I just can not change.
I KNOW when to walk on by ...
Yes there are people who will take advantage of me ... but see I have come to just accept this is and so when I first meet a person that I don't FEEL oh so comfortable around if he makes me FEEL less because of bitterness or because he was a liar, or acted towards or around me that my CONSCIENCE (my SOUL) registered to me ... ***This man is unsuitable for me***. Period. I move on. It is not prejudgment because usually our first instinct is correct ... and it is reasoning by the MIND that gives people another chance even when you KNOW they are not right for you.
You create your own letdown, when they let you down in EXACTLY the way in which you knew they would, why are you surprised or upset?. Just as the woman keeps going back to an abuser, men keep going back to a user. NOTICE VERY CAREFULLY .... abUSER and USER the same word.
It is your ego when you KNOW someone isn't good for you but guess what ??? You don't care, you want them. There is some attraction going on and even though at first glance you probably knew *they* were *going to use you* .... well you dated them anyway. Just as many women KNOW almost at first meet that a man has the potential to be an abuser, or have even heard rumours in the community about this particular man ... they date him anyway.
See it is the EGO getting in the way here because you actually know this fault that you so venomously dislike, but you think they will be/act differently FOR YOU. Yep they will do a complete turnaround for YOU hahaha. YOU think that YOU are so special that this great man/woman won't abuse/use YOU.
What make you so much more special ??? Me I see nothing special about me that would keep an abuser from abusing me. I KNOW I would only be a statistic . Right?
So times yes they are changing ... and I think almost everyone can agree that there are either MORE USERS AND ABUSERS today that there were years ago ... or perhaps we are just more aware.
So if it is either way, that there are more, or we are more aware then passing them by is what you need to do. Become more aware of yourself and the choices that you make. And yes if you keep choosing to feel used or abused you have to ask yourself why do you keep ending up there. Same spot, different person.
So I am NOT saying that the opening post is wrong, on the contrary I feel that it is right, BUT FOR BOTH GENDERS ... and it is up to each one of us to chose to be with the people you are with for the right reasons. That reason is so very simple I don't know what is hard to accept.
Be with people who treat you and value you the way you treat them and value them, do not expect from those who are unable/ incapable of giving you what you need to make a relationship work.
As I said earlier, """Hey we had that figured out long ago, what took you guys so long !!!"""
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Posted: 4/24/2008 8:51:00 AM | stample stample..whoa outta breath..
Yes I was taken for granted... when I was married! Fawk overworked and under pampered.. I mean under paid. Marriage is a TRAP I tell ya! I would never.. I mean never get married again.
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/24/2008 4:20:47 PM |
See it is the EGO getting in the way here because you actually know this fault that you so venomously dislike, but you think they will be/act differently FOR YOU. Yep they will do a complete turnaround for YOU hahaha. YOU think that YOU are so special that this great man/woman won't abuse/use YOU
That is the question of the ages 'Ego' vs common sense! When and where does it sink in if ever ?
You can be the ex-trophy wife or the ex girl next door, the results still end up the same unless some day ego is put on the back burner and reality in the big picture comes forth.
You can be the biggest ass kisser in the world yet for some we can see the light at the end of forest.
As I said earlier, """Hey we had that figured out long ago, what took you guys so long !!!"""
Right. we must have missed our chance..... | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/24/2008 4:27:53 PM |
Yes I was taken for granted... when I was married! Fawk overworked and under pampered.. I mean under paid. Marriage is a TRAP I tell ya! I would never.. I mean never get married again.
I was clunked daily with a sledge-hammer and couldn't figger it out, then YUP, I realized I was being taken for granite. I'm just happy she didn't have her blaster's ticket.
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/24/2008 4:38:27 PM | | it's kind of a wide question there.. some are, some are not, some are at this time in there live and some are no longer at this time in there life.. I would say in general ... there spoiled and don't appreciate what they got now. not all but a lot. personally i want a partner not someone I have to build up everyday. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/24/2008 6:02:16 PM |
personally i want a partner not someone I have to build up everyday.
So does every woman I have ever spoken to. Unfortunately, there seems to be ALOT of people who whole heartedly believe that if they aren’t acknowledged, praised, lauded, appreciated, revered, recognized, esteemed, admired or honored for EVERY little thing they do for someone else, that they are hard done by and being “taken for granted”.
The world doesn't care about your self esteem. The world expects you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself. Common courtesy and respect are not accomplishments. They are life long principles that should be practiced every day of your life.
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Posted: 4/24/2008 6:11:28 PM |
Yes..I'm expected to cook, clean, look like Pamela Anderson
Does ANYONE find that woman attractive? She's a walking trainwreck...
On-topic? I'll say what I said in the other thread, then take leave of this. If you feel like you're being taken advantage of? Speak up. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/24/2008 6:26:54 PM | I suppose when we have children to care for we can be taken for granted as we cant stop doing things for the children,
but you only get taken for granted if you let other people take you for granted, women need to be assertive and stnd up for themselves in pleasant but firm way...........
Men are by nature focused outside the home and a womans focus is on the home, these roles are not just society it is due to human instinct as well
We are evolving and this is changing slowly, so dont be so hard on men it may take time to bring about change | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/24/2008 6:40:44 PM | | I have many married friend and both couples are working, the men are doing chores and helping out with the house. Though it does seem even in these situations the majority fall on the woman. I really believe that we are the nesters and homemakers and if the economy were not what it is alot of woman would be content to have traditional roles or at least part time working. many men mimick what they saw in there role models and carry on expecting the wife to do everything. The womans movement have pretty much messed it up for woman. Men do not feel like they have to take care of the family. ( not all men). | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 12:15:31 AM | Both men and women in US are taken for granted, IF they allow or accept this treatment. We all have the ability to access what we want, need and desire from our SO. IMHO, each person must be in touch with reality, their true self and consider the ramifications of our choices.
We live in an age of instant gratification, which is not conducive to a long term relationship. Relationships are constantly changing, as each partner's needs, wants and desires change. Accessing our self first is needed, as to not allow anther to use or abuse oneself.
After reading many post in this thread and others, there is a commonality in complaints of HE/SHE did xyz to me. Most seem to dismiss or have not acknowledged their contribution to the demise of a relationship and it is usually the other partners fault.
Take time to know yourself, the type person you usually gravitate towards or person you attract. Acknowledge and accept this, before deciding on your next partner. There are many people of both genders, whom blame to opposite gender for the way they were treated.
Remember how and why your were drawn to your past mistakes, don't let lust or a quality that raises your endorphins over ride qualities that are truly important to you. Also get to know the person and how well they compromise and adjust to change.
All choices have consequences, are the choices that you make, when entering a new relationship based on the same qualities of a failed past relationship? If so expect the same results.
Guys, if you base your decision on who you date, based only on youthful looks or a woman 15 years younger, you are asking to be used. If she is great in bed but you don't like the way she speaks, most likely it will ultimately end with each going your separate ways.
Women, if you base your decision on who you date, based only on youthful looks or a man 15 years younger, you are asking to be used. If he is a great provider but your opinion is rarely considered, most likely it ultimately ends with each going your separate ways.
Keep blaming others for your own mistakes and you can expect to repeat your past mistakes.
Wake up people..... Look within to find where and why the real problem exist.
Both men and women allow themselves to be used or unappreciated. Fix an internal problem. Make changes in why and how you made past choices. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 1:22:43 AM | well put tantric.
basically, i feel it all comes down to -
taking responsibility for ourselves, our feelings, our lives, how we treat others.....
and taking responsibility for how we feel we are treated.
if we feel we are being used, they are our feelings and so we are responsible for those feelings -
blaming others for how we feel is not going to get us any further to feeling less used.
so i think it works both ways.
if we respect others, we will feel respected.
if we use others, we will feel used.
if we blame others, we will feel blamed.
if we appreciate others, we will feel appreciated.
and if we feel love for others, we will feel loved.
i don't think it is gender based in the sense that it seems most people at some point have felt they were taken for granted....
until you come to realize you really are the one responsible for how you feel.
and, hopefully, we really do learn to treat others as we want to be treated.
ultimately, we learn to be careful (full of care) for ourselves and each other.
by the way, i think calling it feeling unappreciated and taken for granted are just other ways of saying **not feeling loved** and i think, again, most people have felt this at times in their relationships - it seems to me to be the basic reason for relationships breaking down.
justifying the feeling is just going to lead to more breakdown, as we found so clearly in the other thread. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 2:00:29 AM | @Glamb-
They haven't priced theirselves out, they only found buyers who are so slow they don't do market research on those stocks.
But shortly, you will find like Oil prices have assured, that the buyers tend to buy LESS, and rent more with a better contract, instead economically finding other routes to the end result more effectively and efficiently, minimizing risk, and expanding profit potential. Buyers who tend to pay more (forced or not) also tend to cover their end financials, and in fact, become extremely picky, just as the product has in question. Buyers forced into an inflated market BUY SMARTER. It is adaptation and evolution in motion, and at work.
Thank you, I already did that years ago. Ahead of my time?
No divorces, no kids, I get up at noon, you tell me.
2.0, you gotta love it. Ladies, if you create the monsters, please don't gripe about them when they tear your house down. You really can't say you didn't see it coming, after all, this has only been going on for the last 10,000 years. Same for the dudes out there.
It might even be possible you heard the stories, and anectdotal evidence BEFORE you did it! Kooky!
As always, the world will never lack for self-proclaimed victims and people with no responsibility for their failures, but the world and history will ALWAYS lack people that solve their problems before they happen.
In fact, you will not have heard of the non-victims, ever. You see, they are out there right now not being victims and having fun......... | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 2:13:58 AM | | I don't know about being taken for granted as far as the women go. But, I do know this. If you don't believe what i am about to say, Look it up for yourself.Millions of men leave the USA every year and go to other country's looking for wives. From what i read the best hot spots are Russia, Philippines, China and parts of Japan. From what i read and some of what i have seen with my own two eyes it's because of how American women have forgotten how to treat a man. Women in the USA care more about there career than they do there family life. There are women out there in there mid to late 40's now that have never had kids and never been married and are just now starting looking for a man in there life. I don't mean to be stepping on anyones toes here. I know that there are some ladies out there that can't have kids and wanted them. To those ladies i am sorry that you couldn't. The ones i am talking about are the ones that could have had kids and been married but chose there career over being a wife and mother. Millions of women do this every year forcing men to look elsewhere for a potential mate. There is a old song that says "Women are doing it for themselves". Well, From what i read and have seen with my own to eyes they have done themselves into a corner. There being left behind for women from other countries because theses countries raise there girls to be a good wife and mother like we in the USA use to do. In the USA women don't have the values that they once did. So men leave hoping to find the love that they crave in another country. So, I guess to a degree one could say that women do take the men here for granted. They seem to think that we will always be here and they can pick at will. Thats coming to end as more and more men leave the USA. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 3:19:46 AM | ^^um....are you sure you wanted to post on THIS thread? there is another one where your post might definitely be more appropriate....it's got the same title only with US men in it and after a total of over 50 pages of discussion from the man's point of view on this subject (some was struck from the record), this thread was started by the same original poster to allow for seeing it from the woman's perspective.
and i have no problem with men going elsewhere to look for women they feel they will be happier with. there's always a trade off, by the way, going elsewhere - i did it and the issue of which country to live in comes up, which culture one embraces, home sickness for the one who moves away from all they know.....just some things you might not have thought of in your search for your 'stepford wife'. (smile) | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 3:26:51 AM | All types people are taken for granted sometimes.
I think this is doubly true in the modern world. Look at what's on television in a lot of cases: we actively encourage people to be rude, crude, and selfish--- 'cause, "hey, it's funny."
There will always be problems between the sexes because very few people share their expectations. Everyone has gender expectations. (I, for example, expect 2 hugs per time I see someone I'm dating...) People are finding themselves judged on definitions that they have no intention of fitting... communication could solve that. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 3:33:55 AM |
I don't know about being taken for granted as far as the women go. But, I do know this. If you don't believe what i am about to say, Look it up for yourself.Millions of men leave the USA every year and go to other country's looking for wives. From what i read the best hot spots are Russia, Philippines, China and parts of Japan. From what i read and some of what i have seen with my own two eyes it's because of how American women have forgotten how to treat a man. Women in the USA care more about there career than they do there family life. There are women out there in there mid to late 40's now that have never had kids and never been married and are just now starting looking for a man in there life. I don't mean to be stepping on anyones toes here. I know that there are some ladies out there that can't have kids and wanted them. To those ladies i am sorry that you couldn't. The ones i am talking about are the ones that could have had kids and been married but chose there career over being a wife and mother. Millions of women do this every year forcing men to look elsewhere for a potential mate. There is a old song that says "Women are doing it for themselves". Well, From what i read and have seen with my own to eyes they have done themselves into a corner. There being left behind for women from other countries because theses countries raise there girls to be a good wife and mother like we in the USA use to do. In the USA women don't have the values that they once did. So men leave hoping to find the love that they crave in another country. So, I guess to a degree one could say that women do take the men here for granted. They seem to think that we will always be here and they can pick at will. Thats coming to end as more and more men leave the USA.
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? Stop hijacking treads..troll! | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 3:36:50 AM |
Are US women being taken for granted?
Boy these posts are getting more pointless as they come!
But I will say again, just like I said in the other one about the men, ANYONE can be taken for granted if they allow it to happen.... Isnt it kind of obvious! | |
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