| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 6:39:21 PM | Statistics show that women cheat more than in any time in U.S. history. Instead of being the better sex, they are now just as slimy as some men. Girls gone wild didn't make people rich for nothing; and what do these girls get? t-shirts.
I think women lowered themselves by being as sleazy as men are. (obviously not all)
Women choose terrible men who hurt or cheat on them multiple times, (just read some of the posts) and then say poor me men dont' appreciate me or treat me good.
I think some women are underappreciated, but it todays culture, it's getting less and less.
Both men and women need to choose good people that will appreciate them. We are obsessed with looks and money and its caused us to lose our way. Looks fade and you cant' take money with you. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 7:13:25 PM |
Someone who had one or the other parent abandon them, f'r instance, will see relationships differently than someone who didn't, and may (or may not) see something as "being taken for granted".
Thats total molarky! I dont belive that one, one bit! A person make his own choices. This blaming the parents for WHAT you do or WHO YOU ARE, is just lame.
Nowhere did I say that a person could blame his/her parents for his/her choices. I said that we are all products of our life experiences. That's it, that's all.
You have your own mind!
Yes. Yes, I do. Which is why I am unable to believe that human beings are not influenced by their life-experiences: all the evidence I've picked up in my 42 years tells me that people are conditioned, to a greater or lesser degree, by their experiences.
It isnt excuse or some pathetic reason.... Anyone who allows it IT WILL HAPPEN!!.. Heck if you allow someone to hit you in the head.. do you think they wont? it is Duh!!!!!
If you're going to debate me, please respond to what I DID say, not what you WISH I had said.
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 7:15:02 PM | | Emotional baggage comes from somewhere. Yes, you have your own mind, but it's asinine to assume that what happens to us doesn't effect us. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 7:21:22 PM |
far from a redundant concept
"Redundant" referred to "US American" women.
i commend the patience of some men,but like thousands of others we are drawn to take thai/oriental brides who are genuinely willing to help
Go for them, dude. I sincerely hope that you and your oriental bride live together forever in bliss. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 7:28:47 PM |
well the pricing out of the marketplace analogy is very apposite and far from a redundant concept,many men either cant afford or dont want high maintenance women unwilling to provide meals,do cleaning,or help with chores because they consider it beneath them.
Why would a woman work her a$$ off to provide all those services to benefit a man who wants to pay a dollar an hour? Most men (60% or more) refuse to recognize that a woman's work in the home is worth anything, never mind paying them a dollar an hour. To provide the very basics of food, shared accomodation with the man and a few craps of clothing annually to a domestic worker might cost a man about $8000.00, so assuming she works 40 hours per week or 2080 hours a year...........wow thats a whopping $3.84 per hour, and she can't even afford to take herself out to the movies. Wives have given up working for their husbands for the mere right to "simply survive".
i commend the patience of some men,but like thousands of others we are drawn to take thai/oriental brides who are genuinely willing to help
Gosh, I hope the plane ticket doesn't cost too much or maybe one could convince the airlines that they should do it out of love.  | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 7:35:30 PM |
I don't think women are being taken for granted, but I can tell you that US american women have priced themselves out of the marketplace.
It seems that a woman is worth more than a man in the dating game. Don't see how women are being taken for granted | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 7:42:08 PM |
It seems that a woman is worth more than a man in the dating game.
They only think they are. lolol
Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Lots of those women are still single. lol
If you want a good read, there is an article written by a female reporter who was stationed in Russia. It was about american women in Russia, and even the stereotypical drunk russian man didn't want them. lol They were **thinking** about alternative dating because the american men stationed there didn't want them either. hahaha One of those anti-marriage sites has the article for sure. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 7:42:14 PM |
i commend the patience of some men,but like thousands of others we are drawn to take thai/oriental brides who are genuinely willing to help
It strikes me as both amusing and ironic that SOME men on POF are always talking about oriental brides, but all they do is talk about it. Do any of them ever get their foreign spouses, or do they come into forums and just talk about wanting them?
And who are these "thousands" of men? Truly, if they want Asian women, wouldn't we see an influx of them on the streets?
By the way, guys, don't assume that an Asian woman will be submissive and kow-tow to you. I have a beautiful female student from the Philippines; she just wrote her term paper on why women are not innately inferior to men and is a staunch feminist. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 8:11:13 PM |
I'll just copy what TheEmeraldTeardrop said and call it my own!
Hard to believe a woman so young could be so wise... I took it for granted she was twice her age!
Wake up man! That's not wisdom in any respectable sense. That's being crafty and scheming.
Read that post again, she laid it out right there on the line and said she will use men for free dinners, oil changes etc etc.
And the fools are just lining up to do it for her. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 8:13:56 PM | As sad as it makes me to say it, I find myself taking for granted that many US & other Western Country women are going to be rude and obnoxious while usually having some serious entitlement issues. I don't tolerate this behavior from either sex in personal life and as soon as the behavior is exhibited I drop them like a hot potato.
Luckily there is still plenty of ladies that know the value of being polite and realize the only person they can demand something of is them self. One just needs to sift through the trash.
For the ladies that are taken for granted and are undeserving of it, I am sorry it happens to you.
Regards,
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 9:18:50 PM | if women here were really taken for granted, the foreign women who come here would not want to be americanized, but they often do for it means a wide range of advantages.
END OF STORY; TOPIC CLOSED
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 9:26:16 PM | To a degree, yes.
I live with my boyfriend, and while he pitches in occasionally (usually when I ask him) and he thanks me for making dinner etc, I feel that I do about 90% of the household chores/cooking. I also work the same number of hours as he does.
I think it's pretty common for men to still want their women to perform these "domestic duties," and even though they may also like to be the breadwinner, it is really unrealistic these days for women not to work.
--> that's why I'm getting into a career where I can afford to have cleaners come over once a week to do the major cleaning. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 9:52:50 PM | | It's not that I don't want to help clean around the house. It's just that when I am with a girl, she just takes care of it before I ever get around to it. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 10:10:41 PM | Depends on the couple. Sometimes, someone with a high tolerance for bullshit goes with someone with a low tolerance; nice guys end up with tramps all the time and nice girls end up with manwhores all the time, it's sad.
I tend to think in terms of hold yourself to the highest standards possible so you can catch the good one when the opportunity presents itself.
And to be honest, if you asked the same question about German women, or Arabian women, or Asian women. US gals have it easy.
At the end of the day, it's about how you make each other feel. If you can't get off work early to come home, make a home cooked meal that nobody has to clean up and get her a bubble bath and a movie complete with chocolate and a back rub, you're an ass. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 10:13:51 PM |
It's not that I don't want to help clean around the house. It's just that when I am with a girl, she just takes care of it before I ever get around to it.
I don't mean to be disrespectful in any way..............but you are not stepping up to the plate quick enough. It won't take long before she becomes "resentful" and wonder why she bothers to have you around, if she's always picking up after you. If she works 40+ hours, she needs her "down time" as well. A little unselfishness, goes a long way. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 11:02:59 PM | I don't mean to be disrespectful in any way..............but you are not stepping up to the plate quick enough. It won't take long before she becomes "resentful" and wonder why she bothers to have you around, if she's always picking up after you. If she works 40+ hours, she needs her "down time" as well. A little unselfishness, goes a long way.
Interesting way to look at it. I appreciate your honesty. I would never want to keep anyone from having their down time. I don't ask nor expect anyone to pick up after me.
We all have different experiences. Maybe I don't think the dishes have to be done as soon as we're done eating. Maybe I don't think the carpet needs to be vacummed everyday. Maybe I want a little down time as well. Maybe we just move to the beat of a different drum.
If that is a bother, then I will keep moving on. It is interesting how when I keep my own house it all stays perfectly clean. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/25/2008 11:41:57 PM | | I agree that things "not getting done fast enough for someone" and "things not getting done" are 2 different issues. If you think it's bad having a pair of socks on the floor, think how it feels that a woman is on the verge of a mental breakdown and is letting you endure every minute of it because of those very same socks. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/26/2008 12:01:55 AM | Most men (60% or more) refuse to recognize that a woman's work in the home is worth anything, never mind paying them a dollar an hour.
It's because that's something you, as an adult, should have learned to provide for yourself and not outside help, leeching off of someone's funds simply because of an entitlement complex, or the fact that I know many men that already do these things for themselves and get no appreciation for it, either. Cooking and cleaning is something that isn't a job unless that's the field you are legitimately and actively doing a service for someone else---to think otherwise Western feminist hubris.
Tack on the fact that the idea that men pull their weigh far more t in career avenues that are tedious, dangerous, require odd hours, or time away from friends and family with little vacation or down time. Women are not barred from jobs like this, and there are laws over the decades to prevent them from signing up. Guess what---many women still aren't applying for them, and maybe it would be a reason to complain if they were in logging, truck driving, or firefighting to be pampered once in a while---but they are not joining en masse for careers that are hazardous and not that fun. To cry about work at home when men are still the majority of the workers in jobs that are soul draining and potentially injurious is rather weak in more than one aspect.
The abysmally stupid argument about toilet seats and who takes out the garbage seems a bit trite when a guy working in a foundry all day only gets a decent, nutritious meal because he makes it himself since several women have opted to believe cooking and cleaning are oppressive and demeaning. Not all women think like this, but a lot of women believe being a "strong woman" is controlling men and doing a minimum amount of shit work . . . when most men realize that grunt work (around the home) is something that has to be done regardless. And if you don't think many men think and act this way, you're purposefully seeking lazy men to enact a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I've cooked gourmet dinners, cleaned toilets, took out my own garbage, dusted, done laundry, vacuumed the carpet, and done dishes largely for myself for over 23 years. Hell, I've had girlfriends that were PROUD they didn't know how to cook and got around to cleaning only when the dishes and clothes got unbearable. I don't expect compensation because most men don't get any.
Cry me a river about work at home . . | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/26/2008 4:46:06 AM | its not a perceived issue for the US alone, its at least a western culture problem. Perhaps its helped by advertisements or television for the "ideal life" that makes everyone examine their own lives and perceive they are being unjustly treated.
Perhaps its the traditional view that the woman looks after the home yet no compromise is sought when the woman also gets a job which would mean a sharing of duties at home.
There is a danger that with all relationships that familiarity breeds contempt - how many times do we see a relationship in the doldrums where both partners are just going through the routine- sadly its often abreakup before these people realise and this is often too late becuase injury has been caused.
The bottom line is that to get married we need love and respect -hopefuly the love will stay the course. But essentially we need to maintain the respect for each other if arelationship is to last. | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/26/2008 5:43:58 AM |
Well okay, so women no longer have to stay at home and grind the wheat and prepare the meat anymore. Everything is pre-prepared, machines at home do the vast majority of the work that it literally took weeks to do not so very long ago. The key to "the good life" was to ensure that the freedom/time created by automation was not squandered by cramming other, newer errands or chores into a daily routine. People really need to learn how to enjoy themselves, or to establish priorities, otherwise they have no one else to blame about a hectic life.
I don't think women are being taken for granted, but I can tell you that US american women have priced themselves out of the marketplace. I can hear the old conservative warhorse talking point: "We hire [foreigners without a work permit] because [Americans] don't wanna do those jobs." | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/26/2008 6:09:39 AM | I'm genuinely confused about this issue. Maybe I'm not clear about it. However, I also feel that we GET THE LIFE WE MAKE. It's ridiculous to stand around and point fingers (IMHO) at any group and say "I am unhappy because of all of you" In essence, that is all I am hearing in this thread. The women are unhappy because of men. The men are unhappy because of women. It escalates into a mud slinging contest, and everyone wanders off even angrier and more bitter then before.
So I ask you - what is that solving? We are each responsible for our selves. If you don't like what you are getting in your relationship, look at yourself first. Do you have a part in it? THEN CHANGE IT. Do you truly feel you aren't contributing to the problem but it isn't changing? Then leave the relationship. Date for some time before committing. Practice safe sex so you don't drag a child into it before you know this it the "one"
But above all, stop whining and take responsibility for your own self. After all, the one and only commonality in ALL of your relationships is YOU. If they were all bad... well, then what? | |
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/26/2008 6:16:09 AM |
By the way, guys, don't assume that an Asian woman will be submissive and kow-tow to you. I have a beautiful female student from the Philippines; she just wrote her term paper on why women are not innately inferior to men and is a staunch feminist.
Just a question: why is it apparently automatically assumed that the ONLY alternative to a ball-busting femi-nazi is a "submissive" woman who will "kow-tow" to you? A home is where you RELAX (emotionally, at least), not continue the work-day competition. Not wanting to have endless p!$$ing contests with your wife/SO is NOT tantamount to wanting to grind her spirit down on a daily basis -- or ANY basis, for that matter.
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| Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/26/2008 6:28:01 AM | I don't think women are being taken for granted, but I can tell you that US american women have priced themselves out of the marketplace.
I can hear the old conservative warhorse talking point: "We hire [foreigners without a work permit] because [Americans] don't wanna do those jobs."
Interesting parallel: foreign workers, foreign brides...
Arlo
Msg #107:
It was like that in marriage.
He wanted my income, he wanted the household taken care of too.
He wanted the old fashioned marriage..with the little woman in the kitchen and doing 100% of the housework...but...he also wanted the income from a full time job for the little woman too.
It was an issue finally... I was just too tired to care. I had two full time jobs!
The thing that was an issue to me...was...whenever there was something that needed to get done around the house, it was always MY job to do it! It was always... me asking "Dear, could you do me a favor...." WAIT.. why is it a favor to me that he do some of the work around the house too?
Once upon a time I got really sick of it... and just stopped doing the laundry. I wasn't going to ask him to "do the laundry for me"... nope.. it wasn't for me...it was for US. So, if I had to ask him to do it I would be in effect saying "it's my job..but please do it for me as a favor"...so I didn't ask and I didn't do it myself either. Rather than pick up the laundry and wash a load..he was going out and buying more clothes!! Good grief.
Why would you brag about something like this?
Arlo, again | |
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