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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:14:24 PM |
overthrowing the government is a duty of ours, if and ONLY if it becomes unsavable. it is not yet. it is a LONGGGG way from there.
But is it really? I dont know if you were here over the past year or so as many of us watched the media pick our presidential candidates. It was an all time new disregard for even trying to conceal their selection process from us. It was like, hey we know the guy is super popular, dont care, he gets one question, and that question will just be something that makes him look outrageous and just plain insignificant. So we are stuck with the same one party that has two faces. Its to the point that if voting changed anything enough to attack any of the real cancers like the Fed. Reserve, foreign entanglements or scary laws like thoise in the patriot act, voting would be outlawed on some manafactured premise. The people who sent you off to Iraq have a lot more missions like that in store and they dont give one damn whether we like it or not. More big brother, more taxation, less national sovereignty, brother were bleeding from the jugular. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:20:24 PM | Don't worry RR, I'm sure Richard Cheney has already devised jugular tourniquet devices which they are waiting to distribute...
quite frankly, the erosion of our rights has been going on for a very long time and left the shadows under the auspices of the WAR on drugs...... | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 2:31:40 PM | As a person who has been onto this administration and against this war since day one I am not even sure what to say at this point.
The American populace was duped by the evil cretins in the PNAC (Project for a New American Century) (if you are nto familiar with it go look it up, check out the Wolfowitz Doctrine which outlines a need for a war with Iraq for the Oil and a new Pearl Harbor and was written in the early 1990s, and check out the members) and a very complicit media.
Oh- Democracy now story- just in case you had not hear (it's quick - read it)
Pentagon Propaganda Program Exposed
The New York Times has revealed new details on how the Pentagon recruited more than seventy-five retired military officers to appear on TV outlets as so-called military analysts ahead of the Iraq war to portray Iraq as an urgent threat. The Times reports the Pentagon continues to use the analysts in a propaganda campaign to generate favorable news coverage of the administration’s wartime performance. Internal Pentagon documents repeatedly refer to the military analysts as “message force multipliers” or “surrogates” who could be counted on to deliver administration themes and messages to millions of Americans in the form of their own opinions. The so-called analysts were given classified Pentagon briefings, provided with Pentagon-approved talking points and given free trips to Iraq and other sites paid for by the Pentagon. The propaganda campaign also extended into the nation’s newspapers. Nine of the Pentagon-connected analysts wrote op-ed articles for the New York Times, and the Pentagon helped two retired military officers write a piece for the Wall Street Journal. Many of the same retired military officers also have ties to military contractors vested in the very war policies they were asked to assess on air.
It is estimated that this drive for oil in the form of the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocents will cost the US over 3 trillion dollars. This does not count the physical and emotional toll it will cost our service men.
The Military Industrial Info-tainment Complex is in complete control of this one. I honestly feel they are after the oil, are busy lining their pockets with tax payer money through no bid contracts.
Cheney was the CEO of Haliburton. KBR was a subsidiary of Haliburton, who has recently moved to Dubai. KBR set up shell companies off shore that they have been hiring cheap labor fromother countries to avoid paying taxes. No wonder our economy is so screwed. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 5:58:53 PM | I thought yins electronic activity was censored out of there?
We have been attacked from within.
The oath.. states all enemies, foriegn or domestic.
The job is here, not there.
If you're here to face reality, look at the Federal Evidence thread second. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 7:30:19 PM | First let me say that I support the war and I thank you for your service.
Now onto your post.
First let me start off this thread like this. Yes, most of the you are taxpayers. you have your right to your own opinion. But honestly, you have not the first idea about iraq.
Go to hell. While you are certainly more knowledgeable than I when it comes to what day to day life in Iraq is really like, don't think for a second that 'I was there, you weren't' is going to automatically override anything somebody says.
Furthermore it isn't my status as a taxpayer that gives me a right to an opinion and it's frightening that you approach the issue from that angle.
2. Among the popular confusion, in iraq, it is not a "WAR ON TERRIORISM". that is Afganistan. However, popular marketing skills by the administration by naming iraq "Iraqi Freedom" and afganistan "Enduring Freedom" makes it sound like the same thing. It is not. Afganistan is for Al-Quida, Iraq was for Saddam. that is why there is 8 times more troops in Iraq then their is in afghanistan.
No, Iraq is part of the war on terror. The people attacking US troops are obviously not fighting for Saddam Hussein.
And saying 'we went to war in Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein, that's why there are more troops' is completely nonsensical.
did you know they werent really in iraq before we invaded.
It depends on what you mean. There were certainly Islamic extremists in Iraq before we invaded. Ansar al-Islam, for one.
But of course now that US troops are in the country it attracts them like a moth to the flame.
With the exception of Saddam being a royal ***hole, it was pretty peaceful over here. no car bombings. no IED's....no suicide bombings. at least not on the same scale as it is today.
Two points here.
Doesn't it go without saying that Iraq pre-2003 was less chaotic? Of course there weren't suicide bombings or IED's; there weren't any Americans in Baghdad to attack.
Second, saying Saddam was a bad guy is glossing over the issue. Iraq was not PEACEFUL by any means. The country seemed tranquil because anybody who stood up against Saddam Hussein was forced to watch their loved ones executed. I don't call it a tranquil state of affairs when people are murdered for owning satellite dishes.
3. This place will never change. I dont give a **** how long we are here. might as well, hit dodge right now. As i spoke to an interpretor one day, he said......those sunni's (learn islam and come back here). they are disgusting, they are worthless. and i asked if he could get along with them peacefully. No. that was the answer. this isnt going to end by our hand. get used to it guys.
You do know that it's very common for Sunni's to have Shia in-laws, and vice versa? Religious zealots are doing their damndest to divide people in that way, but it's not at all the way you suggest. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 7:49:33 PM | put up or shut up HL. get your ass over there if your so supportive of the great War on Terror, which is more like a war of terror...
Really, I'm tired of those who support the invasion and occupation and have no physical reason why they shouldn't be there and sit on their assess here and wave flags. Enough already. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 7:58:27 PM | combatvetern830 I applaud your service and your honesty. I think the best thing you can do right now for the future is spread the word. I remember a couple of elections ago, the military voted pretty much solid republican. This next time around, you and your brethren have a chance to change that.
We read every day of the corruption of KBR and other and, for some of us who have been against this folly in Iraq from the getgo and saw it for what it was/is, it makes us absolutely crazy that our government does nothing about it. I know it makes me crazy but I also understand that it's our government to made that possible. No-bid contracts to favor Cheney's company, no accountability for missing BILLIONS of dollars. Ooops. No accountability for Blackwater. Basically no accountability for anyone for anything. It sickens me.
"War is a rich man's game played with young mens lives". That's one of the most profound statements I've read in some time. It should be made into a bumper sticker. I only hope this country can survive this fiasco without coming apart at the seems (some "uniter" huh). I think Bush and his entire cabal should be tried for war crimes but I doubt that will ever happen. Why? Because it's the right thing to do and I haven't seen too much of the "right thing" being done anywhere these days. What Bush and his cronies have done to the county generally and to you specifically is absolutely shameful.
From here on in, just keep your head down and stay alive. It just ain't worth dying for and do spread the word (as dangerous as that might be). There are tens of millions in the country who support you 100%. May god help us all because our present government damned sure won't. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 7:58:29 PM | For the OP....I would like to hear your take on the following....
Iraqi Official Testifies to Links Between Saddam and Al Qaeda
By ELI LAKE
Staff Reporter of the Sun
September 14, 2006
WASHINGTON — A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a sharp contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003 war, flatly contradicting a recent report from the Senate's intelligence committee.
In a speech in which he challenged the belief of war critics that Iraqis' lives are now worse than under Saddam Hussein, Barham Salih said, "The alliance between the Baathists and jihadists which sustains Al Qaeda in Iraq is not new, contrary to what you may have been told." He went on to say, "I know this at first hand. Some of my friends were murdered by jihadists, by Al Qaeda-affiliated operatives who had been sheltered and assisted by Saddam's regime."
This is not the only report coming from an Iraqi official. I find it
more then curious that little credence is being given to these reports that are in opposition to the following....
The Iraq Connection
Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed
By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 17, 2004; Page A01
The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.
But the report of the commission's staff, based on its access to all relevant classifyed information, found no link.
1. Bush's bunch said there was a link.
2. The committie declared in it's findings there was no link.
3. After the committie's findings with Saddam and most of his crew dead or imprisoned, different Iraqi officials are coming out stating there was a connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.
I personally believe slowly, with time, we will hear more and more from different Iraqi's that there was a connection because where there once was a threat of death hovering over them for speaking of what use to be unspeakable things is no longer there as it once was and are now slowly being spoken and told about by those who had first hand information of Saddam's connection to Al-Qaeda because they feel safer now to say what was, knowing the odds for being killed for speaking is much less then before. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 8:05:15 PM |
Go to hell.
No mr. lemming. YOU go to hell. The OP is already there. You're a sad excuse for an American. You really make me ill. Tell 'ya what mr. patriot. Go enlist and take the OP's place over there and then come back here and report to us. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 8:13:54 PM | | ...montanan - it sickens me to call you by that name as I so love the place that I actually live here...but I am not nearly as sickened as much as I am by your complete ignorance... | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 8:18:33 PM | Go to hell. While you are certainly more knowledgeable than I when it comes to what day to day life in Iraq is really like, don't think for a second that 'I was there, you weren't' is going to automatically override anything somebody says.
Furthermore it isn't my status as a taxpayer that gives me a right to an opinion and it's frightening that you approach the issue from that angle.
An opinion ? You certainly have a right to that, as we all do.
Automatically override ?
He's there....and you're not. That gives his opinion a certain validity that everyone else's, including mine , lack. It gives us yet another point of view, one that's all too often lacking in this discussion amongst ourselves. It's only when you "go to ground" in this discussion that you start to overcome the spin doctors media driven image of it. The reality of the this war, versus the increasing disconnect of the PR machine, is starting to come forward more and more.
Telling anyone, especially a serving member of the military to "go to hell" isn't really fair, and does no justice to your argument - and even less to people like the OP. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 8:22:24 PM | O...K... people.
Unbiased Opinion (I say that 'tongue in cheek')
The OP might really be in Iraq or might not. He might really be in the military or not. Those fatigues can be bought easily at the local outlet. If he is in the military, it truly is unwise to have one's last name plastered on the internet. Just common sense stuff...ya know.
I have been in the military, served Overseas, etc. etc. etc. I still have friends in the Military and guess what................... they do NOT have the same opinion as the OP. They witnessed things quite the opposite. They are in Iraq and other Middle East Countries. They were part of the initial troops arriving there.
Butttttt.... just like I can say that... I know it to be fact.... the Forum Participants here do not know it for fact. All of us have opinions and usually will stand fast on our positions.
Soooo, saying anyone, including moi, on a Forum is 'unbiased' is probably an oxymoron.
Get my drift.
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Posted: 4/24/2008 8:27:26 PM | Really, I'm tired of those who support the invasion and occupation and have no physical reason why they shouldn't be there and sit on their assess here and wave flags. Enough already.
No shit man !! some pencil pushing geek thinking he knows what it's like in a war zone. I haven't been either but come live in my neighbourhood for a week. I've lost 5 friends over there already and I'm pissed. They died for nothing.
versus the increasing disconnect of the PR machine, is starting to come forward more and more.
about time MG now keep searching! what you find will be terrifying as the truth usually is. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 8:29:51 PM | | all of us could be socks for whatever reason. I think its fairly disingenuous to call someone a agent provocateur just to make a point....especially one that differs from your own... | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 9:43:22 PM |
Except wait a minute. 60% of KBR employees are not U.S. Citizens. They are TCN's (third country nationals)
don't know where you got that figure do you have a source? Halliburton is not the only company over there. It seems alot of people like to pick on Halliburton and I completely understand.. the problem is that the military does need to give better pay and incentives and that problem didn't start with the current admin.
Saddam was really trying to avoid conflicts with us, knowing what would happen. Saddam wasn't avoiding conflict, he was manipulating the UN and he wouldn't comply with resolution 1441 I believe it was. Saddam wanted his neighbors to think he had WMD that is why he was reluctant to turn over documents to the UN. Among the popular confusion, in iraq, it is not a "WAR ON TERRIORISM". that is Afganistan
I bet to differ and think you are misinformed once again.. Iraq is part of the global war on terrorism.. you have to look at the whole picture and not just recite the typical left wing talking points. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 9:54:12 PM |
the problem is that the military does need to give better pay and incentives and that problem didn't start with the current admin.
first, the NEOCONS have been running the show for the last 8 years so lets not even go there about who did what when. if it was such a problem to them they would have done something...
second this is not the problem but instead a symptom. we have people who claim to hate big government making government bigger than it ever has been is privatizing everything. This is part of what the OP is talking about. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 9:59:33 PM |
put up or shut up HL. get your ass over there if your so supportive of the great War on Terror, which is more like a war of terror...
Really, I'm tired of those who support the invasion and occupation and have no physical reason why they shouldn't be there and sit on their assess here and wave flags. Enough already.
You know damn well how faulty that logic is. Would you have taken the same attitude towards supporters of war in the 40's?
If you follow your logic through to conclusion you're basically advocating the end of civilian control of the military. After all, I shouldn't be able to have an opinion on the war unless I'm serving.
No mr. lemming. YOU go to hell. The OP is already there. You're a sad excuse for an American. You really make me ill. Tell 'ya what mr. patriot. Go enlist and take the OP's place over there and then come back here and report to us.
I have no time for anybody who acts as if serving in the military puts somebody above others.
He's there....and you're not. That gives his opinion a certain validity that everyone else's, including mine , lack.
And if you cared to read my post you'll see that I acknowledge his superior expertise when it comes to day to day life in Iraq. But I don't at all care for his tone, which suggests that nobody can disagree with him regarding Iraq simply because he has been there.
Telling anyone, especially a serving member of the military to "go to hell" isn't really fair, and does no justice to your argument - and even less to people like the OP.
As I just said, being a member of the military doesn't put him above criticism. He is undoubtedly a very brave man who's service is to be respected. But if he talks like an ass nobody should be afraid to call him on it.
I have been in the military, served Overseas, etc. etc. etc. I still have friends in the Military and guess what................... they do NOT have the same opinion as the OP. They witnessed things quite the opposite. They are in Iraq and other Middle East Countries. They were part of the initial troops arriving there.
Precisely. While I personally have no doubt that the OP did indeed serve in the military, there is hardly a consensus among those fighting, which is really the core of my point. Simply because this man was in Iraq and is against the war doesn't mean every soldier is. We're reading one mans interpretation of what he has seen.
No shit man !! some pencil pushing geek thinking he knows what it's like in a war zone. I haven't been either but come live in my neighbourhood for a week. I've lost 5 friends over there already and I'm pissed. They died for nothing.
Excuse me sir, I never said I understand what it's like to be in a war.
And could you make yourself look like more of a hypocrite? 'I don't know what war is like either, BUT....'
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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:13:20 PM |
first, the NEOCONS have been running the show for the last 8 years so lets not even go there about who did what when. if it was such a problem to them they would have done something...
Well you know the Democrats would not have agreed to raising the budget for the military to increase pay for soldiers. Only the warmongering Repubs would do that !
second this is not the problem but instead a symptom. we have people who claim to hate big government making government bigger than it ever has been is privatizing everything. This is part of what the OP is talking about.
No, he was complaining about Halliburton, their high pay .. using Halliburton is not new..it's one of the best qualified and who wouldn't want the best.. oh and Clinton used Halliburton as well. So is was not a slam on big business but rather "Halliburton" because it was the Admin choice.
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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:26:05 PM |
I talk and conversate with Iraqi's every single day. So let me tell ya my piece and then you can say whatever you want:
Did you happen to ask any of the Iraqi's what they thought about Saddam storing food from the UN in warehouses that was supposed to be given to women and children? Did you happen to ask the Iraqi's how they felt about Saddams underground rape rooms and prisons? And the nice Regime that Saddam had doing all his dirty work. Did you happen to ask if the Iraqi's were able to "vote" in any of the several elections since the coalition forces have been there? Did you ask the Iraqi's if they've visited any of the new medical clinics or schools that have been provided by the US and coalition forces? I'd really like to know what the Iraqi's think about my questions, if you could find out and let me know I'd appreciate it when you go back. Thanks. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:40:25 PM | [...montanan - it sickens me to call you by that name as I so love the place that I actually live here...but I am not nearly as sickened as much as I am by your complete ignorance...]
 excellent post Crash. Didn't expect much from such a lemming headed follower of the gospel of the The Sept. 11 commission you would preach it's findings for like a bible thumping minister full of fire and brimstone in spite of the FACT that evidence is out there now FROM IRAQIS that say that report is not correct. What are these Iraqi's in your opinion? Bush and Cheney lovers?
I realize my post apparently was beyond the scope of your limited, tunnel vision Bush/Cheney bashing view but for your information....it was an actual honest question. Iraq officials are differing with the Sept. 11th commission findings.
Bush and team said there was a connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda prior to the war.
The Sept. 11 commission after examination of documents declared no connection.
Saddam is killed, his group disbanded, al-Qaeda begins to be pushed out by the Iraqi's themselves who once supported their warfare with the US and some officials now not having a fear death if they speak begin to speak their minds. BUT, hard core narrow minded tunnel vision people like you Crash HAVE to dismiss what these Iraqi officials are coming out and saying that Saddam and al-Qaeda were connected prior to the war least you have to admit your gospel type opinion extending from the Sept. 11th commission might be wrong!
Seems to me your sickening your own self with your own ignorance. You don't need my help to do that! | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 11:55:19 PM | First, if the OP truly is military, I do send my sincere Thanks for your service. Whether I agree with you or not does not negate my respect and appreciation for the service you provide to the USA.
Jedi girl you're almost 60 ? what could you possibly know about this war ? okay you served where, when? in the 70's ?
Ahhhh, yeah... like my age disqualifies me automatically from knowing anything about this war. Get REAL dude. I rarely say this... but, that was one stuuuuppid statement.
I served in the mid - late 70s. Several of my friends stayed in. They have been in Iraq and OTHER Middle East Countries. Oh... and, BTW... many many are my age who are over there because they are Reservists and/or career military so age is totally irrelevant.
THIS war has been going on long before the terrorists decided to come kill innocents here on our soil. THEY hit us before 9/11... several times... AND Iraq terrorists alongwith Other Nations over there were/are an integral part of the attacks. Get FACTS man... rather than just go on rants.
Did you happen to ask any of the Iraqi's what they thought about Saddam storing food from the UN in warehouses that was supposed to be given to women and children? Did you happen to ask the Iraqi's how they felt about Saddams underground rape rooms and prisons? And the nice Regime that Saddam had doing all his dirty work. Did you happen to ask if the Iraqi's were able to "vote" in any of the several elections since the coalition forces have been there? Did you ask the Iraqi's if they've visited any of the new medical clinics or schools that have been provided by the US and coalition forces? I'd really like to know what the Iraqi's think about my questions, if you could find out and let me know I'd appreciate it when you go back. Thanks.
Excellent points! Let's see if the OP offers the same basic info my friends are telling me..the friends I made while I served my Country and who are still over there in the Middle East.... because according to all the reports/info they give me... the Iraqis REALLY do, most of them, appreciate the Medical clinics and schools, etc. AND the lack of being raped and murdered en mass. My Iraqi friends who I met while in College and who have families over there ALSO are thankful that they can have contact with their family and friends who couldn't get out AND their talk to me is the USA and Nations helping the USA... are greatly appreciated in Iraq.
I am just as blunt as the OP and don't give a flying damn if anyone believes me or not. I am simply relaying info and it is info I, personally, know to be a fact... and, that is what is important to me.. that I know it's fact. This is simply a public forum for debate and discussion of issues. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:57:49 AM | Ok guys, since this is getting to be a pretty popular thread, (within the 13 hrs i was on duty, it got 26 replys) let me clarify a few things. first off KBR is not one of the best. and if you were over here you would see why i say that. actually, it is the worse company ive ever seen. but i havent seen to many. but a water tester who gets a cup of water, sticks a PH tester in it and says it is ok gets paid 6 figures? negitive. wrong answer.
Good old LB or whatever the heck your name was. Please state how you get your information. because it is one of two ways. Media, or the internet. Which truly shows how narrow-minded you really are. I never said my opinion was any better then anyone elses, but i did say that i know from experience. You dont. So shut the **** up and quit trying to get an argument started.
Jedi Girl (Should be named Jedi Hag). Everyone is allowed their own point of view. but obviously you havent really read my profile. but ya know, they dont really sell ACUs (the new uniforms that i wear) in stores right yet (unless you have a military ID valid at a Clothing Store, on a military base (there are other ways you can get ahold of them. granted but not many). So yeah, maybe i went, purchased some uniforms to make it look like i was in the military. but answer me this. when in the holy hell did they start selling M16s and M249 Saws on the open market. guess i picked that up at wal-mart right? I'm still in iraq moron. My dad served 4 years in the navy, and is an obsessive Neal Boortz listener (not me), so does that mean he knows all about iraq?
Lets prove you wrong on a few points and have you explain them.....
Ahhhh, yeah... like my age disqualifies me automatically from knowing anything about this war. Get REAL dude. I rarely say this... but, that was one stuuuuppid statement.
I served in the mid - late 70s. Several of my friends stayed in. They have been in Iraq and OTHER Middle East Countries. Oh... and, BTW... many many are my age who are over there because they are Reservists and/or career military so age is totally irrelevant.
This i immediately can tell is complete and utterly useless BS. If your friends JOINED in the mid to late 70s, lets say 79 for your sake. that would put them at 29 years in service at this point. and that is being gracious. Remind me again, what is the age cut off? i know the age for retirement is 65 typically in most US occupations, but then again, maybe im wrong. Age is relevant. NEXT TOPIC.
Get your head out of bush's ass and realize. this war is NOT about terriorism, at heart. it is about something totally else, likely oil, but hell maybe not. but there are no WMDs here, and honestly, we arent even looking for obama....i mean Osama over here. Please explain why there are over 160,000 troops in iraq, and only a little over 30,000 in afghanistan? If Iraq was such a big terrorist haven, why, OH why, did we wait nearly 3 freaking years to attack? was bush just being nice and giving them a chance? no it took that long to pay people off and to feed enough bullshit to the american people to believe it was justified. I believe OIF began in early 2003. Not Late 2001.
and btw, I NEVER stood up for Saddam. I said he was a bad guy. And i also said IF we were just coming over here to whoop his ass and get him out of here, then we should have done just that, and got out. if we had ****ing Horton Homes rebuilding this place, we would be out of here alot sooner then KBR. and if KBR is one of the best........why are they starting to lose contracts?
Seriously, i think you need to stop making shit up. i can defend everything ive said here. and i know i havent answered all the questions ive been asked but ya know what. IM IN A ****ING combat zone in which i do not have hours on end to reply to posts. maybe 15 or 20 minutes, but defentally not hours. i know im not going to change your mind so you can do your best....
BTW, im 20 ****ing years old, if you have checked. Ive been in since i was 17. I do not pretend to know everything, only what ive seen with my own two eyes. All the information you have comes from another source, other then first hand. It is fact, there is not a such thing as a un-biased opinion. Every internet source you look at, every friend that you talk to, will have a personal feeling about it and that will shape the information you are given. but you can not deny facts. this current administration is worse then a cathlotic priest teaching boy scouts (humor people.....).
Im done here.
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Posted: 4/25/2008 3:19:06 AM | and now on to you....
Go to hell. While you are certainly more knowledgeable than I when it comes to what day to day life in Iraq is really like, don't think for a second that 'I was there, you weren't' is going to automatically override anything somebody says.
Furthermore it isn't my status as a taxpayer that gives me a right to an opinion and it's frightening that you approach the issue from that angle.
So basically your saying here that your opinion matters to me why??????? right, you just tried to attack me, while giving credit that im over here and have actually seen the country and talked to the people. but again, if your status as a taxpayer isnt the reason you have the right to an opinion, then what is the reason?
No, Iraq is part of the war on terror. The people attacking US troops are obviously not fighting for Saddam Hussein.
And saying 'we went to war in Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein, that's why there are more troops' is completely nonsensical.
Please, show me real proof, not some republican news article, but REAL PROOF that Iraq is a war on terror. Yes, people attack US (not you, your at home), but let me ask you something. When britian came and attacked us, and when we retaliated, i guess you would have to call us terriorist too. So we were founded by a bunch of terriorist, with your logic.
No one wants to be invaded. And im from the south. Another country comes into america, we would be shooting them up to. (while you are kissing their feet)
Iraq had a face on it. Saddam. Yes, saddam was a bad ass and needed a proper hanging. But you ever heard tend to your own back yard first? We were in a real war, then we decided to jump over and take care of iraq while we were over here. Easy to make one bad guy look responsible for everything, when it fits your agenda.
3. This place will never change. I dont give a **** how long we are here. might as well, hit dodge right now. As i spoke to an interpretor one day, he said......those sunni's (learn islam and come back here). they are disgusting, they are worthless. and i asked if he could get along with them peacefully. No. that was the answer. this isnt going to end by our hand. get used to it guys.
You do know that it's very common for Sunni's to have Shia in-laws, and vice versa? Religious zealots are doing their damndest to divide people in that way, but it's not at all the way you suggest.
WOW. I believe i stated the opinion of ONE INTERPRETER. wow, you really do enjoy eating bush's shit dont you. I could honestly care less who is married to who. but please, show me some real proof.
this brings me to my last point of the day for Jedi Hag and Republican Guard.
Where is your f***ing proof of any of this. The glass is half full or half Empty. I can write all day about that one. the point is, and ill be blunt. You pretty much are a sum of all the propagandas that bush has spread around. And you eat it up. If I have the power to do so, id put you both on survivor Iraq, toss you a BB gun and then you can go out and tell the iraqi people how things really are. because you know. Wait, i just read your profile LH. damn, your even lying about your name. genious. Get a ****ing life. You basically spell out how you get 99% of your information for the news, Political Talk-shows or the internet gossip.
Please, when i get home from iraq, send me a message, because ill come up there to Penn. and show you exactly how iraq is. First hand. You disgust me.
Jedi Hag.....i seriously have nothing to say to you that i havent already. btw, what rank did you make, e-2, maybe 3? what countries did you go to? how long were you in? | |
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