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Posted: 4/27/2008 3:55:52 AM | Oh shit mungo, so you liked that one huh? I can show you equally as many studies that refute yours!
Anyway since you boyz liked that one so much here ya go; I am sure you will like this one even better.
Come down and get vaccinated charles! 
Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs
[Video] Bayer Sells AIDS-Infected Drug Banned in U.S. in Europe, Asia - Unearthed documents show that the drug company Bayer sold millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood-clotting medicine -- Factor VIII concentrate, intended for hemophiliacs -- to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, although they knew that it was tainted with AIDS. Bayer knew about the fact that the drug was tainted and told the FDA to keep things under wraps while they made a profit off of a drug that infected its patients. If these allegations are true, then both Bayer and the FDA are at fault for this catastrophe. FDA regulators helped to keep the continued sales hidden, asking the company that the problem be ''quietly solved without alerting the Congress, the medical community and the public,'' according to the minutes of a 1985 meeting
octomedia
Vaccine Information and Awareness sites:
http://thinktwice.com/
http://www.vaclib.org/
So do you need more?
Out of control:
AIDS and the corruption of medical science
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/03/0080961
Government protecting corporations illegal activities.
People in other countries went to prison over it but no one did in the us!
I guess that means that since no one in the US went to the slammer its not a "PROVEN" conspiracy eh?
I hope I did not mess up anyones utopian white washed world!!
Hey charles come on down man and get vaccinated! Love to have you as our guest!
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Posted: 4/27/2008 4:08:03 AM | .
joshchristmas:
Ha wow.... Who cares, I dont have any illegal substances with me when I drive... So you can check me all you want at the check points... Im clean.. Therefore I dont care. You can listen in on my conversations, I dont have anything to hide... Im not a terrorist... I dont make bombs, or distribute them out to people... All you may get out of me is whether or not Im going to my friend's house to catch the Stars game... I am a law abiding citizen of the United States an have not had a problem with any figure of law enforcement, or authority... Not a suck up either, just have common sense... lol Im not worried about this... So far it seems like only ones who are worried about this are the ones who DONT FOLLOW THE RULES lol token the REEFER anyone? Besides in a world getting worse an worse by the minute with people who would love to see us Americans beheaded on camera for a good laugh an cheer... Sounds like not too bad of an idea... As long I dont get shot walking down the street for listening to Metallica or anything like that Im fine... Putin, which is the Russian president for some people, was sayin Democracy is the root of terrorism from people having too much freedom after the hostage taking incident at the school in Russia by some rebel group... I dont really agree with that quote totally, but I see his point... Too much civil liberty can be a bad thing at times... The check point situation an what not is that big of deal.... Only thing that will come out of them is ye know possibly thwarting a terrorist attack, catching a murderer, drug dealer, rapist, or any other wanted fugitive... So what if it inconveniences you for a few minutes... Youll get over it an life will go on...
Need I really say more? 
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Posted: 4/27/2008 6:03:06 AM |
Federal law enforcement agencies co-opted sheriffs offices as well state and local police forces in three states last weekend for a vast round up operation that one sheriff’s deputy has described as "martial law training".
Law-enforcement agencies in Tennessee, Mississippi and Arkansas took part in what was described by local media as "an anti-crime and anti-terrorism initiative" involving officers from more than 50 federal, state and local agencies.
Given the military style name "Operation Sudden Impact", the initiative saw officers from six counties rounding up fugitives, conducting traffic checkpoints, climbing on boats on the Mississippi River and doing other "crime-abatement" programs all under the label of "anti-terrorism".
If they keep this midset up they won't be facing just a lone individual like:
Marvin John Heemeyer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24n77GgRtrw
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Posted: 4/27/2008 7:09:57 AM | @joshc aka C Rad
Im not denying our Right, AHEM... Privileges are dissolving... But seriously...
(Here ... allow me to continue your thought ... J-dawg)
Im not denying our Right, AHEM... Privileges are dissolving... But seriously... as long as I stand to personally profit from the new security matrix ... well then, putting limits on such so-called 'Rights' ... don't mean a whole lot to me.
Sorry for, as it were, putting words in your mouth, Josh, but in the interests of full disclosure, doesn't it stand to reason that one should do so when their opinions on such matters, has bearing on their career choice, and vice versa.
Not to slam you or anything, Josh, but your attutude is quite alarming, considering your career aspirations in law enforcement, but I suppose such minutia as Constitutional protections don't mean squat when you've got a ride to pimp and cute little fishies to catch.  
Besides dispensing with such trivial concerns would make the job so much easier, its only freakin' common sense.
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Posted: 4/27/2008 7:30:45 AM | Why is it that law enforcement personnel find it so difficult to understand they,
have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution, state and local laws and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution?
Having a carreer in law enforcement isn't much of a career if you're out enforcing what you know to be wrong. It makes you the criminal not a police officer... | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 8:22:49 AM | Oh shit mungo, so you liked that one huh? I can show you equally as many studies that refute yours!
Actually, no you can't.
The VAST MAJORITY of studies (as in +90%) have found no causative link and no significant difference in cancer rates between recipients and non-recipients. The only way you will be able to show "equally as many" is by making up "facts" or citing others' made up "facts" (see below for an example of a made up "fact" about vaccines).
Further, of those very few studies that purport to show a causative link or difference in cancer rates, the majority involve sample sizes too small to be valid (a dozen or so samples compared to hundreds of thousands samples)
Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs
This only proves the lack of intellectual discernment (and perhaps capacity) of the "vaccine conspiracy" crowd.
Despite what the title says, THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES! You do understand the difference between a vaccine and Factor 8 clotting agent don't you?
I guess that means that since no one in the US went to the slammer its not a "PROVEN" conspiracy eh?
It certainly isn't evidence of a "massive gov't conspiracy" to intentionally infect millions for nefarious purposes. It is nothing more, or less, than a company attempting to unethically avoid taking a loss on an otherwise unsellably dangerous product (does the fact that they dumped it on countries with less stringent standards after they couldn't sell it here give you any logical and realistic hints?).
It has happened many times with everything from tires to toys and food to cars. Is all of this (from tires to toys and food to cars) also evidence of a "massive gov't conspiracy" to kill 4/5ths of the population? Is the gov't REALLY conspiring with corps. to produce tires that fall apart on the road, cars that catch fire from collisions, food tainted with bacteria/poisons and toys with lead contaminants?
While no one in the US went to jail, the company has paid out HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in law suits over the issue. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 9:32:13 AM | If you feel safe now, consider this...
What rights will the government have over your body when socialized medicine becomes a reality?
For your safety, will the government have the right to ban smoking altogether?
For your safety, will the government have the right to regulate the sports you partake in?
For your safety, will the government have the right to create a fingerprint and DNA data base with you in it?
For your safety, will the government have the right to vaccinate you against your wishes?
For your safety, will the government have the right dictate or limit what food you eat? ...or perhaps make you pay a penalty for eating an unhealthy diet or junk food? (oh by the way) most grocery stores can easily trace what foods you eat through your bank card or your supermarket card.
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Posted: 4/27/2008 9:33:45 AM | this police state is more than interesting consider that those in charge used to be called 'peace officers 'are now called 'law enforcement officers' like the 'firemen' in fahrenhiet 451 in charge of burning books waiting fo the day when cop cars don't say to 'protect and serve' oh wait most of them don't anymore.
I don't personally see anything wrong with police being a little more reactive than proactive BUT there is a fine line that appears to be crossed more and more.
That one poster said he sees nothing wrong with being stopped and searched cause he has nothing to hide well WOW 'indoctrination" is all I can say to that .
.....kill4/5 of the population?....Is the governmentREALLY conspiring with corps.
suggested reading national security study memo 200 issued in 1974 or Bremers 100 orders for Iraq order 81 on list plant variety protection which makes GMO seeds 'intellectual property' of Monsanto.Farmers have to sign a technology user agreement in order to buy ' grain ,food stuff 'seeds and aren't allowed to keep any seed from harvest to harvest.If they break the agreement they get no more seed | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 9:46:27 AM |
If you feel safe now, consider this...
What rights will the government have over your body when socialized medicine becomes a reality?
For your safety, will the government have the right to ban smoking altogether?
For your safety, will the government have the right to regulate the sports you partake in?
For your safety, will the government have the right to create a fingerprint and DNA data base with you in it?
For your safety, will the government have the right to vaccinate you against your wishes?
For your safety, will the government have the right dictate or limit what food you eat? ...or perhaps make you pay a penalty for eating an unhealthy diet or junk food? (oh by the way) most grocery stores can easily trace what foods you eat through your bank card or your supermarket card.
Should we talk to some veterans and see how well they like their government provided healthcare?
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Posted: 4/27/2008 10:55:45 AM |
.....kill4/5 of the population?....Is the governmentREALLY conspiring with corps.
Nice way to misleadingly alter a quote there dude.
Now, what does your reply have to do with the actual statement?
It has happened many times with everything from tires to toys and food to cars. Is all of this (from tires to toys and food to cars) also evidence of a "massive gov't conspiracy" to kill 4/5ths of the population? Is the gov't REALLY conspiring with corps. to produce tires that fall apart on the road, cars that catch fire from collisions, food tainted with bacteria/poisons and toys with lead contaminants?
Would you care to reply to the ACTUAL point with substantive facts rather than a partial quote with the same old, tired, misrepresented "Kissinger Conspiracy"? | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 11:18:38 AM | wasn't it a fact that Kissinger was in cabinet in 1974?Is memo 200 in existence?
wasn't it a fact that Amb.Bremer was in charge of Iraq policy?
so I( please don't call me dude I prefer poster) apologize about killing your point of no conspiracy in regard to tire toys food and cars.My point is that Monsanto is a big corporation that is heavily involved government sponsored policy ,programs ie ;growing of food to feed people.Less food less people .No? | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 11:40:27 AM | wasn't it a fact that Kissinger was in cabinet in 1974?Is memo 200 in existence?
Yes and yes.
However, it had ZIP to do with a "massive conspiracy" to kill off 4/5ths of the worlds population for the benefit of corps., the "Illuminati", the "shape-shifting reptilian humanoids" or any other supposed "global elite".
It was related to the destabilizing effect of runaway population growth which might lead to civil unrest and political instability, in a FEW select countries with the highest, most unsustainable population growth where the US was vying with the USSR for influence, that would allow Soviet influence to grow to a point of threatening US security even further.
wasn't it a fact that Amb.Bremer was in charge of Iraq policy?
Yes
And we are all aware of the fact that Iraq was more about vengence that also happened to provide tremendous opportunities for corps. to which the governing politicians owed a "debt of gratitude". Do you find that surprising from hard-core capitalists (I don't but, I also don't equate the separate, selfish self-interests of some to a "massive conspiracy of the global elite" either)? | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 5:44:17 PM |
Out of control:
AIDS and the corruption of medical science
Dude, come on...
What the h*ll does this have to do with vaccines? How does malpractice relate?
I guess you're a believer in the adage "if you throw enough sh*t at the wall some is bound to stick". The problem is, we're talking about "dobermann sh*t" and your throwing "bulldog sh*t" as if you think nobody will notice (or you just can't tell the difference). | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 5:45:22 PM | I'd just like to point out I am vaccinated. (duh) hell I got my booster shots awhile ago.
My mother, well she had the misfortune to get polio when she was very young, the vaccinations came out soon afterwards. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 6:59:10 PM | Just keep watching your Loose Change bullshit....
Have you actually watched the film ?
Have you watched
"Painful Deceptions" ?
"September Clues" ?
"the road to tyranny"
"Martial law - a police state"?
" Freedom to fascism"?
"Zeitgeist"?
"End game"?
All of the above films are documentaries that are backed by pure logic and reason, They don't label people, they don't speculate, They mearly state solid facts based on physics, science, and live news footage. None of which can be disputed unless you live in some strange realm where reality doesn't exist.
These are not theories these are all documented and thoroughly researched facts. If you still deny these realities you really should go back to school.
I have extensively studied structural engineering, architecture, and I've spent many years working with steel and concrete. These are things that won't allow me tomake up reality. If what I build was built by making up realities the buildings would fall over wouldn't they ? would you want to live in something I built that was based on anything but pure physics and sound technology ? NO you wouldn't would you ? Mine is a world based on reality. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 7:28:27 PM |
For your safety, will the government have the right to create a fingerprint and DNA data base with you in it?
....if you've ever used one of those banks where they have the thumbprint verification your in sis..... | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 7:46:49 PM |
Have you watched
"Painful Deceptions" ?
"September Clues" ?
"the road to tyranny"
"Martial law - a police state"?
" Freedom to fascism"?
"Zeitgeist"?
"End game"?
All of the above films are documentaries that are backed by pure logic and reason, They don't label people, they don't speculate, They mearly state solid facts based on physics, science, and live news footage. None of which can be disputed unless you live in some strange realm where reality doesn't exist.
These are not theories these are all documented and thoroughly researched facts. If you still deny these realities you really should go back to school.
I have extensively studied structural engineering, architecture, and I've spent many years working with steel and concrete. These are things that won't allow me tomake up reality. If what I build was built by making up realities the buildings would fall over wouldn't they ? would you want to live in something I built that was based on anything but pure physics and sound technology ? NO you wouldn't would you ? Mine is a world based on reality.
Might I also suggest viewing;
911 Ripple Effect and One Nation Under Siege.
And for those who don't like documentaries;
Ferinheight 451 and V for Vendetta,
and for the REAL conspiracy theorists, They Live.
"All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:47:16 PM | .
mungo; Feel free to sling as much shit into your fan as you like but you are creating arguments and attaching me to them that I have not made. Its easier to argue against yourself though.
Yeh bayer paid a couple bucks in law suits but not one of the perps went to jail!
I KNOW IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was a FVCKING CONSPIRACY in the medical industry! No matter how you want to spray your shit! A proven one!
The medical industry are the same people that make vaccines. See the connection yet?
You cant seem to get it through your head that conspiracies are all around you all the time, every second of every day but you keep on with that same blather and even plagerize my (original) quote (shape shifter) as I applied it to terrorism, and distorted it to describe your bullshit alien line about conspiracies. I suppose I shoul dbe flattered maybe?
The vaccines are highly controversial and the point I was making is that these companies will conspire and our government will cover for them.
Hey gee that counds like a conspiracy!
You wouldnt believe mkultra and operation big city if they dumped the crap down your throat.
mungo: "supposed "global elite"
Now that one is like really over the edge man!
Even the most ardent conspiracy deniar acknowledges the elite on both local and global levels.
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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:53:00 PM | .
More:
Police Are Using Armored Vehicles
AP | May 08, 2007
RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI
PITTSBURGH -- After six people were shot in the city's Homewood neighborhood in less than 24 hours, Pittsburgh police rolled in with a 20-ton armored truck with a blast-resistant body, armored rotating roof hatch and gunports.
No guns or drugs were seized and no arrests made during the sweep in the $250,000 armored vehicle, paid for with Homeland Security money. But the show of force sent a message.
Whether it was the right message is a matter of debate.
With scores of police agencies large and small, from Lexington, Ky., to Austin, Texas, buying armored vehicles at Homeland Security expense, some criminal justice experts warn that their use in fighting everyday crime could do more harm than good and represents a post-9/11, militaristic turn away from the more cooperative community-policing approach promoted in the 1990s.
When the armored truck moved through the Homewood neighborhood late last year, residents came out of their homes to take a look. Some were offended.
"This is really the containment of crime, not the elimination, because to eliminate it you have to address some of the social problems," complained Rashad Byrdsong, a community activist.
Law enforcement agencies say the growing use of the vehicles, a practice that also has its defenders in the academic field of criminal justice, helps ensure police have the tools they need to deal with hostage situations, heavy gunfire and acts of terrorism.
But police are also putting the equipment to more routine use, such as the delivering to warrants to suspects believed to be armed.
"We live on being prepared for `what if?'" said Pittsburgh Sgt. Barry Budd, a memer of the SWAT team.
Critics say that the appearance of armored vehicles in high-crime neighborhoods may only increase tensions by making residents feel as if they are under siege.
Most departments do not have "a credible, justifiable reason for buying these kinds of vehicles," but find them appealing because they "tap into that subculture within policing that finds the whole military special-operations model culturally intoxicating," said Peter Kraska, a professor at Eastern Kentucky University and an expert on police militarization. The military-style approach "runs a high risk of being very counterproductive."
Peter Moskos, a criminologist at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, said police departments would be better off hiring people with different language skills if the goal is to root out terrorism.
"It does worry me when cops try to be more military-like because an armored car is not going to stop a terrorist," he said.
In Pittsburgh, a city of about 370,000 with pockets of mostly drug- or gang-related crime, the armored truck made by Lenco Industries Inc. of Pittsfield, Mass., has been used about four times a month, Budd said.
He said the Lenco B.E.A.R., or Ballistic Engineered Armored Response and Rescue vehicle, was bought primarily to be used in hostage situations and when officers are wounded. On Sunday, the truck was deployed when Pittsburgh's SWAT team responded to a report of an armed man holed up in a home. The standoff ended peacefully.
Since the Sept. 11 attacks, police in Lexington, Ky., a city of about 280,000, have obtained two armored vehicles, including a Lenco B.E.A.R. paid for with Homeland Security money, and two military helicopters acquired from the Pentagon.
Police Chief Anthany Beatty said the equipment is used mostly to fight daily crime but is also meant to protect the area's "significant military assets" from terrorists. Lexington's SWAT team takes its armored truck out on every call, including the serving of warrants to heavily armed suspects.
Police in Austin -- home to about 720,000 -- bought Lenco's smaller armored vehicle, the BearCat, with a $250,000 Homeland Security grant. Lt. Vic White, who heads the department's tactical operations, said it is deployed every time the SWAT team is called out, including instances in which officers need to be taken into an area where armed suspects could be holed up.
Robert J. Castelli, chairman of criminal justice at Iona College in New Rochelle, N.Y., said if he were a police chief of a force with an armored vehicle, he would order it sent out on every SWAT call.
"Things can go pretty bad pretty quick in police work," said Castelli, a former member of the New York State Police.
Castelli said armored vehicles can send a positive message -- that police are in control of the situation -- and make police better prepared to deal with more heavily armed criminals, as well as terrorists.
Lenco Industries president Len Light said Homeland Security grants have significantly boosted sales but would not provide precise figures. He said the company has sold hundreds of armored vehicles to police nationwide, and has annual sales of about $40 million.
The Homeland Security Department has said it may have been too free in giving out money.
Until recently, little scrutiny was given to whether grants served a national purpose, said Larry Orluskie, a Homeland Security spokesman. In March, grant-giving was handed over to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
"Now, states have to propose a plan and how the money will be used to support Homeland Security missions," he said.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/police_using_armored_vehicles.htm
Like russia didnt even need to go that far!!!!
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Posted: 4/29/2008 12:04:01 AM | It was a FVCKING CONSPIRACY in the medical industry! No matter how you want to spray your shit! A proven one!
The medical industry are the same people that make vaccines. See the connection yet?
Yeah, I see the connection... capitalism SUCKS at restraining greedy, unscrupulous, unethical businessmen.
But, Bayer's unethical practices don't prove jack squat in relation to polio vaccine contamination. You CAN'T conspire to dump a contaminant that NO-ONE KNEW EXISTED.
It also doesn't prove a conspiracy to do anything other than avoid getting stuck with a warehouse full of "cash in a bottle".
All it proves is that capitalism SUCKS at restraining greedy, unscrupulous, unethical businessmen. Thank god it's not a total free market or we would have no-one to catch them when they do this shit (who do you think discovered it in the first place... that's right, gov't scientists at the CDC. Who do you think ordered it off the market in the west... that's right, the gov't).
If you really want to put a stop to this kind of crap then you need to be voting for candidates who advocate MORE regulation of business and MORE legal oversight of business practices. In other words, anti-free market candidates.
It damn sure isn't proof of any "global conspiracy" to kill off 4/5ths of the population or launch a police state or enslave the world's population or any other such thing. It is only proof of the failings of capitalism. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 1:17:44 AM |
wasn't it a fact that Kissinger was in cabinet in 1974?Is memo 200 in existence?
Yes, and if you read it it talks about concerns that over population will cause poverty, in third world countries, and that efforts should be made to educate, feed, and provide medical assistance to the third world, as these traditionally reduce the rate at which people breed.
Guess what he was right! | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 5:47:53 PM | .
mungo; Again I posted that to point out to you that conspiracies exist and are happening right this very second somewhere in the world. Conspiracies are as common as traffic tickets.
So you take bayer and becuase you are a creative sort of guy you can come up with another way of "explainging it" does nothing what so ever to support your misconception and "explain it AWAY" such that it is not a conspiracy nonetheless.
Hell kennedy was off'd by unscrupulous business men. During world war 1 and 2 most of the damn bankers supported the enemy (which is treason if you are not aware), and should have been hung! Morgan, rothschild, gm and there is a very long list and what happened? Not a damn thing. That is like it or not a conspiracy against the American people and the costitution of theis country punishable by death.
So you can spin that any way you like with a long list of euphemisms but you aint got enough to whitewash treason and conspiracies into a bunch a da good ole boys just a havin a beer and a talkin boot beezniz.
The point about bayer which seems to have escaped you is government and corporation joining together to commit an illegal action by whatever means. That was the point regardless of how you want to soften the blow.
Conspiracies are all around you all the time and treason is punishable by death.
So now you can tell me how the government screwed up here and the beezniz man really didnt mean it that way, how could they have ever known, and just try to flood me with a river of bullshit but you see my boat floats right on over all that shit.
So I will say it a different way.
The point about most "conspiracies" which seems to continually escape you is government and corporation joining together to commit an unlawfull or illegal action by WHATEVER" means.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse for lil ole me it sure as hell isnt an excuse for them including job not well done, not having enough people and WHATEVER other line of bullshit you utopian idealists want to tag on to it.
http://books.google.com/books?id=TNK95LseiC0C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0
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Posted: 4/29/2008 6:41:52 PM | FBI has recently deputized 25K _PRIVATE_ cops, InfraGard, to snoop on us all, with shoot to kill permission.
The Fascist States of America is being established. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 8:27:22 PM | a link satx?
surely ya'll know of Operation Northwoods and that they are starting drills in the Pacific Northwest for Martial Law Drills based on terrorist attacks, just in time for May Day, May 1 - 8th?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods | |
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