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Posted: 4/30/2008 9:29:09 PM |
surely ya'll know of Operation Northwoods and that they are starting drills in the Pacific Northwest for Martial Law Drills based on terrorist attacks, just in time for May Day, May 1 - 8th?
yup I suspect it wont be long if not already we will start seeing militia groups start to pop up to counter.
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Posted: 5/1/2008 2:31:18 AM | Just can't seem to figure you Americans out sometimes. Your freedoms being eroded and your government either the worst despotic regime in history or controlled by some imaginary illuminati out to rule the world.
Get a life why don't you, I mean a real one. You are as free as any people on earth, your government has a history of spending billions of dollors on relief aid around the world and the illuminati are as real as the fake moon landings or who shot JR.
You are just whinging and ****ing with no reason other than you seem to prefer living in your made up world rather than the real one I live in.
During WW2 we called people who did what you are doing agitators and and traitors locked them in prisons. Spreading dis-information and undermining your government and fighting forces is unforgivable.
If this is an example of how you use your freedoms then you might as well loose them and live your conspiracy for real. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 3:25:43 AM |
charlesdem
So can I get a deadline for when the huge take over will happen? So you know I can laugh when it doesn't and point out all the chicken littles in this thread.
LOL, I don't believe you're going to find anyone that can give you such a deadline. However, it will happen someday! One only has to look at history to realize that nations (Empires) have come and gone...
All that is necessary is for people to rise up and revolt... That doesn't look likely to happen at present but given enough time and the right circumstances, it will eventually occur. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 6:53:26 AM |
Just can't seem to figure you Americans out sometimes. Your freedoms being eroded and your government either the worst despotic regime in history or controlled by some imaginary illuminati out to rule the world.
Get a life why don't you, I mean a real one. You are as free as any people on earth, your government has a history of spending billions of dollors on relief aid around the world and the illuminati are as real as the fake moon landings or who shot JR.
You are just whinging and ****ing with no reason other than you seem to prefer living in your made up world rather than the real one I live in.
During WW2 we called people who did what you are doing agitators and and traitors locked them in prisons. Spreading dis-information and undermining your government and fighting forces is unforgivable.
If this is an example of how you use your freedoms then you might as well loose them and live your conspiracy for real.
This coming from someone in a country where soldiers aren't allowed to wear their uniforms in public because it might offend your Muslim population?
Your country is in the crapper, too, and it doesn't sound like you have clue to the dangers we ALL face of being controled by a corporate fascist dictatorship.
What makes you think those in government always have the best interests of the people at heart?
Too bad the German people didn't stand up against Hitler.
Might I suggest you do something about the high trason in YOUR government and quit making excuses for the corruption in ours? | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 7:25:20 AM | lots interesting ideas, notions and hard statements brought forth here. I'd love to persue many of them. ~
I think we all live in a bubble of sorts ~ everything that we think we know and understand in on the walls of the bubble. This bubble being our realities.
I've accepted that I'm lucky to be in control of "just me "long ago. ~ I control little else.
Little is static ~ "change" is all around us ~ and not all of it is good.
Napoleon found great favor with the Monarch during civil uprisings ,when he turned cannons against native Frenchmen, I suppose it was made easier for him, in that he wasn't truly a Frenchman himself. He possessed this ~ this "thing" ~ That Soul Union speaks of. ~ Napoleon views, as I understand them ~Was that , he'd seen th ugly side of civil revolt before and anarchy, chosing to side with the King ~ restoring order, at any cost, finding himself is a rare position that few ever do, ~ having everything one needs to contol. ~ The ways , the means and the will and the moment in time.
Napoleon did quite well for himself ~ for awhile
However, he really wasn't in control of much either ~ at the end of the day.
We worry about things ~ we have little control of. ~ We think of ours lives like they are "forever" and will always be. ~~ This is not so, ~ and deep down ~we know it, but there is those who follow ~ we must consider. ~ What about them? How much will be left of our sand castles for them to understand our desires and sense of direction?
Something I feel like I'm a innocent passenger in slow motion train wreck, being pitched and thrown about ~ seeing others being tossed about , crushed and sheared like rag dolls, no one being in control ~ all being carried sideways down the tracks by over whelming force ~~ living and dieing as we all stuggle to "just " hold on , and living by each heart beat.
Education ~ is required ~ for a free people to remain free. ~ With education come realities, ~ realities many of us would like to hide from. Some of us do ~ and some don't. ~ I'm not sure, who's the happier of the two.
It's been clear to me from the beginning ~ the "Home Land Security" and the "Patorit Act" ~ is a power grab ~ it the first sign of "the boot" being placed on our necks. ~
We need to be ever mindful of the seeds we plant and what they might someday grow into.
I hope it's not too late to repeal this , ~this "two" of many bad judgement calls.
It goes without saying , ~ being a Nam Vet ~ I don't really trust my government and wish it's just restrict it's self to delivering the mail, protecting our borders and securing a even playing field and public peace ~ where we capatalist can conduct our affairs !
It's much to ask for ~ I'm afraid. ~ dar | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 7:44:47 AM |
LOL, I don't believe you're going to find anyone that can give you such a deadline. However, it will happen someday! One only has to look at history to realize that nations (Empires) have come and gone...
All that is necessary is for people to rise up and revolt... That doesn't look likely to happen at present but given enough time and the right circumstances, it will eventually occur.
Empires rise and fall, but when you get threads "well it's starting" SOMEBODY thinks it's happening right now.
I want a date. Come on guys, January 2009? Lets go with January 2009. Elections suspended? Everybody in those FEMA camps you guys are always talking about!? Give me a date! | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 8:23:53 AM | well ~ Charlie, ~
it's like the song , ~ The minute you said your first hello , you are working on you last goodbye.
In that vein of reference ~ So It's definally "started"
and it will take years to play out.
To ingore it has started ~ won't change the fact ~
We are in a delay mode ~ kind of like eating ~ we eat to stay alive but we all know it's a losing battle we fight.
You will see many wonderful and equally horribe things in your life ~ Life is not unlike tennis ~ you prepair, study the game, hone your skills, develope a plan ~ yet you can do little until the balls in your court. ~ be ready Charles, ~ someday you will get to applied all you know and understand ~ maybe when it counts the most!
It will be Charles Day! ~ You are young and bright ~ consider politial office today!
We need good men and women in those positions ~ more then ever. ~ the ball is coming ~ dar | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 8:44:57 AM | Charles - you do know that the US can have your law enforcement arrest you and extradited based on US law? You do know that the RCMP has nabbed Canadians and turned them over to the US where they were taken to Guantanamo?
as dar said, this has been going on for a long time. its that terrible frog in the pot analogy.
mike - don't forget the Germans voted Hitler into office, we didn't even get that with Bush.
RE - It comes as no surprise to me that someone from a population which can brag to be the most surveiled populace in the world takes your perspective. Perhaps your are satisfied with the food in your jail, I'd just prefer not to be in jail....
I spoke with a friend in eastern Washington yesterday. I mentioned the terror drills and she noted that she had seen more military vehicles recently and had been wondering why. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 8:58:07 AM |
mike - don't forget the Germans voted Hitler into office, we didn't even get that with Bush.
And, Americans are about to vote in another piece of shit, thanks to manipulated elections and the dual bugaboos of ignorance and apathy.
Do you think we'll even have elections come November?
Sometimes I wonder.
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Posted: 5/1/2008 9:12:35 AM | | Eisenhower carrier group just got to the Persian gulf yesterday or so (which makes for 2 carrier groups in theater?), Cheney met 2 weeks ago with the Israeli's, Almalaki has stepped up rhetoric along with Gates and even Clinton, like she couldn't get weirder....it just really seems like we are gearing up for something with Iran yet I just can't believe they would be that stupid....so elections are a toss up and even if we have them its going to be same old, same old..... | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 1:07:13 PM | | That does it!!! I gonna dig hole and hide in it...scary stuff here. Didn't see anything about space aliens tho....them rascals are behind it all. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2008 5:00:54 PM | [During WW2 we called people who did what you are doing agitators and and traitors locked them in prisons. Spreading dis-information and undermining your government and fighting forces is unforgivable.]
if you have not been paying attention it is the govenrment that is spreading the lies and disinformation.
Im going to go his in the hole with Nefarious. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2008 5:48:00 PM | | You guys got room in that hole for me :( I don't take up a lot of room and I'm housebroken! I can also provide entertainment I'll bring my acoustic if it'll fit. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2008 6:53:57 PM | Sorry kids ~ the hole wont help you ~ ask Saddam ~ he tried that too!
I wish it it "was" all disinfromation ~ there threads of truth there. ~
Free people are not free by accident
and the absense of war does not consitutue a peace.
We are engaged in a battle of ideas
and it is time to wake up! and find our direction ~
and learn who the enemy truly is ~
it is camplacency ~dar | |
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Posted: 5/2/2008 7:04:10 PM | | Complacency is the evil that men won't confront , I wonder if when the men in uniforms come pushing into your reality if you will stand up and know that you have no choice but to finally fight. One could only hope that when you reach your limit and know what's really happening you will. finally stand up. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2008 8:38:07 PM |
During WW2 we called people who did what you are doing agitators and and traitors locked them in prisons. Spreading dis-information and undermining your government and fighting forces is unforgivable.
Spoken like a true neocon. People like you make me almost as sick as the "I've got nothing to hide" so to hell with the 4th amendment types. | |
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Posted: 5/3/2008 8:03:34 AM | | whats more disturbing is i have seen footage of large un-used warhouses with electric fences resembling cattle pens connected to train lines un used resembling the consentration camp system. and as a response to " During WW2 " during WW2 us standard oil were selling the pattented fuel the luftwaffe needed to fly to germany, and IG Farben supplied the Gas to kill the jews, the same circles that ran these companies also underminded the release of thousands of jews for the sake of a small group of zionists. the american government supplied both sides of the war and imprisoned and called traitors anyone that spread " dis-information " or truth depending on how you look at it. as it happens these same men gave trotsky a million dollars and sent him to russia to be lenins man. he was in new york before that working as an actor. now, this thread is all very well and good talking about all this stuff but you really have to place things in the right sequence to get whats happened. the government and bankers aren't even hiding the fact that their making money of this war, they openly outsource defence contracts, food, supplies, residence, maintenance. the only thing i can see working is getting the hell out of the country or go to mexico, venezuela or equador. because id cards are coming, for europe as well, we are all buggered now. what are you going to fight ? you need an army of lawyers to fight something like that, funily enough the us supported pakistani military government put down such a riot of lawyers earlier this year. take your capital and go somewhere else. maybe there is a way to fight something like this but its to deep. education has declined since the 40's. your not meant to think. the closest anyone came was the hippys and they were pacafists. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 12:39:58 AM | "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."
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Posted: 5/4/2008 7:18:10 AM | A little off topic but on topic---
-- but you really have to place things in the right sequence---
At one time, a father could go out and work, pay for his house, feed the kids, and have money at the end of the month not month at the end of money. Eventually, the Fed Reserve and Bank of Canada started to print Fiat currency, promisary notes. Eventually the raising and lowering of that Note cause less value in the market place, less value for your labours. Now Mom has to go to work and with this both parents pay INCOME TAXES to who, it all goes to the Fed or B of Can. as interest payments so that you can print non- valued money. There is no such thing as Market Trends we have lived under a planned economy since the dirty thirties.
Eventually, your kids started to go to school earlier, day care, pre-school and so on so mommy and daddy can pay there Taxes. So what happened is that the family unit suffers and the kids are Adopted by the Educational system and eventually raised by strangers called teachers. You then were put thru a system of education where you generally ACCEPT what they teach you as fact. You do not question the Fact. You are conditioned from the get go to accept what ever THEY who have authority tell you. You were not allowed to develop Critical Thinking at the early age when starting school.
This is no conspiracy theory, its the reality that we have been forced to live. It took at least 6 yrs before the population actually figured out or attempted to figure out, what 911 is. Yet, they study the FACTS that where there 6 yrs ago. How could we not see the reality of this event, the media was nothing more than that educational system we went thru, which is, Just Accept What Your Told. You can got to any corporate media coverage and not one word is different than the others. Its all the same, you would think that corporate media would have some talent and Journalist that would try to figure this out and report any odds and ends. They get fired or forced to retire.
The biggest threat of 911 now is, that the Masses are starting to think Critically of the event. The misinformation has too many holes in it. Presidents do not sign Executive Orders without a reason to use them. The PA was over 300 pages of legal documents, I believe that sidelined 14 constitutional rights, all done in One Month. Amazing!! Trust me, legal terms are not that easy to sideline. That document was collaborated long before 911, its just Common Sense.
You see, if you allow yourself to question what ever is told to you, eventually you will come to the conclusion that you have a brain.
Does anyone here have the transcripts of Suddams Trial, any information of what he and his buddies testified to in the Kangaroo court. Saddam Hussien Killed Terrorist, something that was never mentioned, plus the fact that he played down the Clerics who were a threat to his power. Therefore the religious right in Iraq had no power.
The use of Depleted Uranium in the middle east will for yrs to come, limit and deform the populace, planned parenthood the military way. Population reduction in a resource rich environment. Easy pickins for the future. And with the plan of permanent military bases in the area puts your people in the same position, soldier are expendable, except for the mothers who brought them into the world.
In the 90s the Clinton administration tried to get control of your GUNS. Why? Because of your freedom, because you can revolt. America is the example of freedom for the world, always has been in the last 200 yrs until this. Now your hated. They want your guns so you cannot revolt. Its didn't work and 911 is not going to work. There is just to much to think about.
If I was an American I would vote for Ron Paul and restore your Republic, be the example of freedom that the rest of the world needs to see. Get rid of the IMF, IRS and go back on Gold standard. I know if America does this, Canada will soon follow and the rest of the free world.
A great man once stated this:
"If we run into such debts as that must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must labor sixteen hours in the twenty- four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses;
And the sixteenth [hour of labor] being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanages to account; but be glad to obtain [be satisfied with] subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet [being goons for our oppressors by securing] their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers;
And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on ‘til the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering… And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train, wretchedness and oppression.”
~ Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826) USA Founding Father and President of the USA
Don't pay your income taxes and see how Free you are. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 9:44:55 AM | Here is the memoranum in full:
http://wlym.com/text/NSSM200.htm
To answer Charlesedm point:
["]Yes, and if you read it it talks about concerns that over population will cause poverty, in third world countries, and that efforts should be made to educate, feed, and provide medical assistance to the third world, as these traditionally reduce the rate at which people breed.
Guess what he was right! [/"]
It talks about how countries with growing population will have more economic and military power. The US should use the control of food aid, etc. to get these countries to actively use birth control methods to their control their populations.
The memo is not looking to help these countries by feeding and educating, it is looking to protect US interests. The main bone of contention in it is the rationing of food and the use of famine to control population.
Honestly, I could care less about it. I think that countries do not do enough to educate and try to control population. I disagree with it in that it claims that these countries with quickly growing populations will have more power. I think that they will get more attention because they will tend do be more unstable.
When there is a lack of food supply people are less feritle, there tends to be fewer babies being born; and definitely fewer surviving. When you have an area of exploding population yet dwindling resources it is ridiculous to keep providing them with food and not with contraception. You will just keep creating more hungry people.
So, I love how w cut all the funding for any family planning that provided in any way for abortions. That man is such a moron! Go and teach the Nigerians abstinence only education. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 10:06:03 PM | Great post Pappy! ~ I see and understand these things as well ~ but I don't know what to do about it!
I find myself surrounded by too many that don't see ~
but would rather wave their little plastic flags ~ and be grateful for the kick in the teeth that they didn't get that day.
Hide in their religions and patriotism ~ and say ~ "well ~ we are not as bad off as those guys! " ~~ like that makes it better to swallow down. ~
I never abide to the pratice of judging myself by others ~ it's so limiting!
The only comfort I see ~ is someday ~ leaving this place ~ but I worry about the children I leave behind. ~~ and it's to this end ~~ I fight ~~ dance | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 11:09:37 PM |
During WW2 we called people who did what you are doing agitators and and traitors locked them in prisons. Spreading dis-information and undermining your government and fighting forces is unforgivable.
Like the Japanese-Americans right?The internment camp's ring a bell?
Japanese American internment refers to the forcible relocation and internment of approximately 110,000 Japanese nationals and Japanese Americans to housing facilities called "War Relocation Camps", in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.The internment of Japanese Americans was effected unequally throughout the United States. Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast of the United States were all interned, whereas in Hawaii, where over 150,000 Japanese Americans comprised nearly a third of that territory's population, an additional 1,200[3] to 1,800 Japanese Americans were interned. Of those interned, 62 percent were United States citizens In 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed legislation which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation stated that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership".[10] $1.6 billion in reparations were later disbursed by the U.S. government to surviving internees and their heirs.
A little more on those agitator's
Sadao Munemori (1922–1945), Congressional Medal of Honor recipient (Manzanar) The 442nd Regimental Combat Team of the United States Army, was an Asian American unit composed of mostly Japanese Americans who fought in Europe during the Second World War. The families of many of its soldiers were subject to internment. The 442nd was a self-sufficient fighting force, and fought with uncommon distinction in Italy, southern France, and Germany. The unit became the most highly decorated military unit in the history of the United States Armed Forces, including 21 Medal of Honor recipients, earning the nickname “The Purple Heart Battalion.”
Traitor's?Give me a break!
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Posted: 5/8/2008 1:44:28 AM | Sorry, NwMke, most of your original post sounds like hyperventilating nonsense to me. And I've been accused of being a d*mned "Liberal" many times. Conspiracy theorists on both ends of the spectrum are looney if you ask me.
The television news program linked to in your post simply describes an effort in coordination of law enforcement in the Memphis area. In case you don't realize, coordination can be very helpful. If some regular old law violators got caught up in this exercise, well, so it goes. Nobody said anybody's rights were violated in the exercise, did they? Nobody even suggested that improper searches occurred or anything like that, right? Nobody said those caught in the net would be shipped to Guantanamo, did they? When police step up sobriety checkpoints around holiday times, yep, more people get cited for DUI and possession of illegal substances than ordinarily would be the case. The TV news report didn't alarm me at all.
You may recall that FBI agents in Minneapolis found signs of untoward preliminary activities on the part of one or more of the 9/11 highjackers but due to "stove-piping" and lack of information-sharing between law enforcement and intelligence agencies, no action was taken. PBS's Frontline did a program on this - not exactly a tow-the-conservative-line news outlet. In my mind, it would be SHAME ON US if we didn't learn something about coordination of agencies to protect us post 9/11.
As for the "afterdowningstreet" link, well, there I saw that you lifted a whole lot of your hyperventilation from Mr. Watson's article. There's way too much assumption, opinion and pure nonsense in Watson's writing to pick out every example and refute. I'll take just a very few points to task:
An Infowars reader called in to the Alex Jones show yesterday to alert us to the story and explain that he had gleaned the information from a his friend, a sheriff’s deputy in Memphis, who had described the operation as "training for martial law in America". I think that's referred to as "hearsay"...
In light of this, and given that the government has begun to class any crime as terrorism... Say WHAT? "class any crime as terrorism"???????? Where'd he get that? Calm down, son. (On the TV report you linked, THEY said nothing of the sort.)
Centralized and federally coordinated law enforcement programs complement nationwide FEMA programs to train Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation. The effects of this particular program have already been witnessed. REALLY? Do tell! Can you cite some credible accounts of this from 'witnesses'? I'm an atheist (REALLY!) but I don't harbor any serious conspiracy theories about those goddam ministers and priests and such...
Well, that's enough for starters. Sorry, NwMke, this scare is just a real nonstarter of an issue.  | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 2:09:12 AM |
Great post Pappy! ~ I see and understand these things as well ~ but I don't know what to do about it!
I find myself surrounded by too many that don't see ~
but would rather wave their little plastic flags ~ and be grateful for the kick in the teeth that they didn't get that day.
Hide in their religions and patriotism ~ and say ~ "well ~ we are not as bad off as those guys! " ~~ like that makes it better to swallow down. ~
I never abide to the pratice of judging myself by others ~ it's so limiting!
The only comfort I see ~ is someday ~ leaving this place ~ but I worry about the children I leave behind. ~~ and it's to this end ~~ I fight ~~ dance
Any time you're in Southern California, I'd like to buy you a drink. Cheers. | |
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