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Posted: 4/27/2008 4:14:54 PM | RonPaulGal? Your entire post is just quotes from the news media thats perpetuating the problem. The shortages ARE NOT HERE, I can walk into any grocery store in my city and buy enough rice or food to last me years. They are simply as a company decision, stopping restaurants from hoarding in panic, which will CAUSE shortages.
Think about this...Whats the best way to make people buy your products? Make them think it's hard to get. Basic marketing.
Thats a classic example of exactly what the news media is doing. Dragging one sentence out of an entire paragraph and making it the entire point, without validly showing the other things said.
There is no good news anymore... it's doom and gloom that sells the news. They (foreign media) mention that theres a food shortage in third world countries, it filters through the line to become a full out "HOLY CRAP RAID THE NEAREST COSTCO FOR RICE" panic message the easily swayed are sucked in by. Of course theres going to be a world food shortage eventually... the population is booming! There has to be a point where the earth can't support us all. It's simple common sense.
If you feel it necessary.. go run right out and buy up everything. That is your right. But don't accelerate the panic message further.
I don't want to alarm anybody,
yes he does or he wouldn't be saying that
but maybe it's time for Americans to start stockpiling food.
please NOTE the maybe, very misleading, trying to instill panic.
Good lord Sheeple tick me right off sometimes
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Posted: 4/27/2008 4:45:18 PM | | Well -- given that less than one percent of the population have the skill, experience, resources and capacity to survive independent of the support systems of supply and management from the society as a whole -- I don't see where this "stock piling" idea has serious merit.... In his day my grandfather was able to produce all the food required for his family and some surplus -- almost nobody can do that trick today independent of fuel, technology and trade... In that time -- not so long ago --- the surplus was NOT the primary goal, the survival production levels were. Self-sufficiency now is virtually impossible for most. In a mass extinction event those most likely to survive are those living in the worst possible conditions today -- those completely experienced living the most basic life-style and challenging existence. Think Eritrea/Ethiopian Somalia -- the Horn of Africa... In sub-Saharan Africa numbers could have dropped at times as low as 2,000, for perhaps as long as 100,000 years based on genetic studies.... Those are our genetic ancestors. This population has endurance with hard times. Their ability to survive with the least in a very challenging land could be the factor that might get the human race through the next 100,000 years. I don't see stock piling TP from COSTCO doing it.... | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 8:49:48 PM | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24316114/
I found this article to be an interesting read, so I thought I'd contribute it to the discussion. Not so filled with doom and gloom, but it acknowledges increasing food costs. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 11:20:20 PM | I don't know why I'm having such a difficult time imagining the world's biggest fuddy-duddy journal trying to stampede the sheeple. . . . In fact, the last time I looked, the sheeple didn't actually read the WSJ. Further, most don't even know it exists, lol! I've always been fairly impressed when the WSJ actually gets things that are pretty well accepted in the economics community; say things like global climate change or peak oil. . . . or the housing bubble. . . .
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Posted: 4/29/2008 12:44:58 AM |
Ok, I often feel like I live on the far side of the moon, but this one really has me stumped. What is this Global Crisis and scare on stock piling food????
You are just focusing on the wrong thing. You should be focusing on the methodology of the tv news and media in general. If there is no murder in your town they tell you about the one 500 miles away and if there isn't enough murders to fill the news they talk about the basics because right now it is trendy. Fact: When we get a democrat as a president this all changes back to another news model. But while there is a repub in office we get a lot of news about the basics as if 'the sky were falling' and we all must 'tighten our belts' -- its ingrained mindset not reality.
Lesson #1 -- if news has no news they will make trouble in order to make the news. So they try to manipulate the people into a run on food.
Remember what history showed us the run on banks did? The media is hoping to create the same panic. Watch. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 11:06:55 AM | I do have a grinder and wheat keeps forever. SO if I have wheat, I have flour. I never buy white rice, was going to see if the big bags of oats and rice are the same price in my co-op. I think it's wise.
FUNNY thing, my bf , when I met him, I thought he was really weird. He has like a dozen of EVERYTHING....... Laundry soap, tp, shampoo, deodorant. Mind you, he lives alone. I was like..........??? OMG is he ok?
He laughed at me, be though I was not as neat and organized about my "stockpiling", he did comment that while looking for soap under my bathroom sink, I had like 12 dif kinds, and many shampoos, they were just different kinds, and not in neat rows on shelves like his were!
I think we should be prepared for at least a month of basics, with prices going up as they are, if something sets it off, those of us on tight budgets could be up a creek without a paddle if not somewhat prepared. If you have plenty of money, well, you will be fine! | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 11:35:59 AM | And if enough of us do enough stockpiling, this will increase demand, which will raise prices further, deplete stocks further, and cause more people to panic and stockpile!
Sounds like a winning solution. NOT! | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 12:04:54 PM | I have been wondering how does wheat go to $25 a bushel then drop to $12? If supply and demand are ruling prices then how can they drop in half when the first wheat harvest is July for winter wheat? If there was a true shortage then logically wheat prices would keep going up until first harvest?
Here is a cheap thing to put away that I think is a good idea to have a couple of months of food on hand just in case. You get a 5 gallon bucket and stock it with 5 pounds of rice, 4 pounds of sugar, 1 can of baking powder, 5 pounds of flour, 1 pound of dried peas, 1 pound of navy beans, 1 pound of pinto beans, 1 pound of salt, 2 lbs lbs 10 ozs of oatmeal, 2 cans of tuna fish. Stored in basement should last 7-10 years just in case (note except the tuna fish). Cost $20. I am sure those living closer to Costco and Sam's can get even more for the same price.
Next month change to get some peanut butter and Jelly (note PB and J should be used and rotated) skip the sugar, salt and tuna. In a 6 months you will have a good stock of food, didn't cost you a fortune $120 and gives you 2 month stock of food. Would like to others on adding to this or what would use? | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 3:49:00 PM | Browning..I think I can give you some idea of why there is such a discrepancy in wheat prices. I am a farmer..and the way grain is priced in the US depends on the prices generated by trading futures contracts on the Chicago Board of Trade..the Kansas City Grain Exchange...and the Minneapolis Grain Exchange. These contracts don't reflect the actual price of grain across the entire nation...they reflect the price of certain number of bushels of grain sold at a certain delivery point. All the other bushels of grain are priced on how much it costs for a local grain merchant to hold and deliver a certain quantity of grain to that delivery point. When the availability of grain goes down...there are large investment funds..that take huge quantities of money...and buy the futures contracts because they believe the price of grain will go up. These funds don't necessarily ever want to see any of the grain that they buy...they will try to sell those futures contracts at a profit at a later date. It's all about investing and trying to make money...and these funds can drive prices up...as fast as they can drive prices back down. As far as wheat being harvested in July...that's somewhat true...but someplace in the world...there is wheat being harvested virtually every day. Wheat really is in short supply all across the globe...but at the present time..we have a good crop coming on...and there were extra acres planted worldwide last fall...so that's why the price is starting to decline. Those funds now are making money by selling those "futures contracts"..and hoping to buy them back at a later date...it's quite an art...and some people do quite well trading these futures....others lose their asses.
..It's rather interesting though..that we have finally reached a point where the world is wondering if we have enough food to go around...maybe population control isn't such a bad thing.....Eventually we're going to need it. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 3:54:13 PM | | Gotmail...I hope if you want to keep wheat more than about 6 months...that you pay attention to the moisture content. It will keep a long time at about 12% moisture...but any more..and you will have molds starting to develop. The best way to keep a grain from going bad is to freeze it...It keeps the grain at a low moisture content...and the cold temperature keeps insects from hatching and eating it. If you feel the wheat has dried out too much in the freezing process...you can all moisture back to it when you get it thawed. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 4:10:23 PM | | thanks for the web sites | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 6:19:39 PM | Pupdaddy12003 great answer thanks. So it the future market playing games with people lives. Sad really the farmer doesn't get near the money does most the work and the guys who trade paper make the most money for the least amount of work. But your right some do lose their ass if they don't understand the game.
The wall st journal was saying more that food is a good investment. Instead of leaving money sitting in the bank collecting 3% interest if you invested in food you save money over the year because food prices are rising 11% each year. So stocking up years worth of food you save 8% instead of making 3% interest sitting in the bank. The day Katrina hit in New Orleans they said the same thing the sky is falling it wasn't bad until later that day when the dams broke. Do whatever you think is best in your live. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 6:58:16 PM | It may sound silly, but my mother was really worried about Y2K. We all (four sisters and a brother) started stockpiling 'just in case'. Even things like water and fuel are hard to store. There's a lot of information on storing food on the internet. For example, dried beans are not sealed, nor is rice. If you want to keep it longer than the recommended shelf life, then it needs to be air sealed with some sort of vacuum device. You can heat rice in a mason jar in the microwave for just a few minutes, then put the lid on it and it will vacuum seal as it cools. Soups and canned vegetables are only good for two years.
But keep in mind, if you have dried beans or rice, even oatmeal, you'll have to have a way to cook it. If fuel keeps on soaring, we might all be back to wood fires before long... | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 7:33:09 PM | It's an election year. Be careful not to believe everything you read.
Okay. I get it: it's an election year, so a journal made by republicans is trying to scare the bejeebus out of republicans to make sure they'll vote for a democrat. Right. Got it.
And don't worry grasshopper, there's no such thing as winter (*you've* never seen one have you?) just keep playing. Have fun. Nothing to see here.
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Posted: 4/29/2008 7:34:09 PM | I hope if you want to keep wheat more than about 6 months...that you pay attention to the moisture content. It will keep a long time at about 12% moisture...
Hi Pupdaddy Are you talking about keeping wheat for 6 mos or flour?  | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 7:35:06 PM | Is there anything you would be upset to do without? ..........ammo
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Posted: 4/29/2008 7:43:30 PM | HJA---- And a piece of it hit my head.
I've been accused of having my own grocery store.
Extra food comes in handy when someone needs help.
I just bag up them up some groceries.
I learned to hoard food when I lived in Europe.
Especially Italy.
Many times the truckers would strike right on the Italian border.
Just stop their trucks and leave them there.
Then little or no food until the strike was over.
Since we were in the military, we had rationed items..........so I stockpiled coffee, cheese and any other thing that was rationed.
I plant a huge garden every year and can.
And can...and can.
I have a dehydrator and dry fruits and veggies.
Matches, tooth picks, toilet paper; among other things, I use my food saver to keep them dry and clean.
Blankets and other things in the large space saver bags.
Sleeping bags...2 camping stoves..camping oven and coffee pot.
I grew up in the country so I know how to build a snare or traps.
And can make a river seine (sic) to catch fish.
I can skin rabbits, squirrels and clean fish.
And kill, pluck and clean a chicken.
Build a fire and cook them right up.........if I have too.
In order to survive.
I know most of what I can eat in the woods...and if I'm not sure, I don't eat it.
No electricity?
I'll revert back to the days of old.
We didn't have electricity until I was 12.
I will not buy into the panic or do anything any different that I normally do.
I have city water but also kept my well in tact.
I know how catch and purify water.
It never hurts to have a plan...A, B, C.
I always have extra cash tucked away and a tank of gas.
In a few weeks I'll have a cow and some chickens.
And by end of summer, a horse, for a second means of transportation.
About the same time I convert to solar and wind power.
It's only common sense that, eventually, what goes up will come down.
And unless it's a feather, it will not land easy.
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Posted: 4/30/2008 4:58:39 AM | I've been stock piling pasta due to the threat of prices going up . The sales have been great here so I'd rather buy it at a low cost and then consume it. Not worried about a shortage, but I'd rather buy a box of spaghetti at 88cents a pack then 1.49. I generally stockpile enough groceries for a month or two. Mostly due to stockpiling due to great sales. Not so much worried about a lack of availability but definately worried about prices going up.
Pasta and pasta sauces, canned soups, beans, canned fruit, frozen goods including meats are all in my pantry.
I'm not sure about what I'd want to do without. Again I'm not so much afraid of not having it available, my bigger fear is during natural disasters not having power to cook my food. If I buy the "snackable" sorts of things their shelf life is less if the kids don't manage to scarf it all down. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 9:06:54 AM | | Buy a 2 burner propane camp stove. Store 4 Bottles of Propane for it. Should get you through 2 weeks of cooking maybe more. Check Yard sales for good deals. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 12:40:01 PM | I got a butane one with four cans that I keep on a cupboard. I find it much easier to change the butane cans and it is much lighter and more sturdy and comes in a plastic case. I also have a couple of cans of instant heat gel that can be used in a pinch. I don't like the big cans of propane as they are heavy to carry and then have to be checked out every so many years. The butane is harder to find but that also means in a pinch it is less likely to sell out as less people have that kind of stove.
I still worry a little. The power was out for a whole week here after a hurricane and I was lucky a neighbour loaned me her propane stove. I also had a barbeque and luckily it was an extra warm fall so heating wasn't an issue. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 3:03:10 PM | | I'll have to stock up on coffee and sugar. There's not much else I can't live without. (as far as food I mean) uh-oh. I can't drink coffee without milk. I Can't stock up on that. It goes bad. Does anyone know if milk can be frozen? | |
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Posted: 4/30/2008 6:09:15 PM | Hi loveable kitten.....
well I lived in australian bush/shack within nature..but had 240volts(electricity to main grid)..
I dont see what anyone here is saying as stockpiling... for me.. to travel to a supermarket.. id buy for 3months b/c that would be the next time id be going back..
i save on everything.... especially petrol..
I had a deep freezer...... so yes you can freeze milk(we have milk in plastic here.)/bread/butter/bacon/garlic bread/herbs/flour... keeps it fresh.......... cheese(although cheese can breakup once thawed.. but im used to it..) but you can freeze grated cheese for tops of pizzas etc very well.
i also freeze jar of tomato paste.... in the jar after opening...)
you can also buy udl milk... which is like milk in containers off shelf...
i use powdered milk... for cooking..like white sauces..... its also creamier ... and you dont get powdered milk taste....
candles are good..... to have and if you keep them in the fridge... they burn slower (and easy to find in a blackout)...
To cook with a candle...... you get a big tin.... turn it upside down so bottom on it intact... obviously the top.. is opened.. cut a little part out at the bottom... put 2 candles under it.. (the cut out bit big enough to get hand into too. to put candles in).
it heats the can top..... and u can heat up food on it... or just keep warm...
a candle works well in a tent also.. to help heat it up..
the thing about what we call gas here.... is you can buy the cylinders in advance.. and save on rising costs on them also... so camp stoves/heaters or bbq can run from them...
ohh i always saved hundreds of dollars a year by buying 3 monthly....
thats just stores though.. always check use by dates .. most tinned food have 2-3 years on them...
i buy organic meat and vegies locally.. fresh..
our prices in australia i think are way more exspensive then what you pay there....
from what im told food in the usa is very cheap...
1 guy wrote on this thread... and i felt so sorry for him.. the food he eats .. id be sick very quickly... ... here we are encouraged to eat meat/and at least 5 fresh vegetables a day and 2 pices of fresh fruit... b/c its what bodies need......... live food/vitamins and minerals.. to keep immune system and body strong... (also fibre to get rid of chemicals/poisons/pollutions etc)
canned//etc food is only for emergencies... ( it absorbs the metal its in .. and the preservatives/chemicals arent nice either .. high salts.sugars etc))
live food has enzymes.. and as i said vitamins and minerals.. if someone cant get fresh food/vege the best alternative is frozen vegies/fruit over canned...
its healthier..
our milk for eg.. is nearly $3 for 2 litres... about $2.80..... about the same price as petrol. (thats about $1.50 a litre i think lately).. our bread between $1.80 to $2.50 for 700grams loaf..=say $2 a week=$104 a year./
so that guy who spends about $300 a year on food then $40... to eat badly...
our milk just 2litres(say enough for 1 single person a week.. no kids)=$134.40 a year
your petrol prices (gas) in usa have been very cheap for decades.. weve been paying.. prices your just starting to get for years....
I dont know what your wages are like there... but that poor man who spends just over $300 a year in food.....the food he described... well i feel sorry he can only afford ... that food..
but im glad for him he at least has food...
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Posted: 4/30/2008 7:46:55 PM | | I've always been a hoarder. I grew up in a hurricane zone. Check out Datrex bars, they have a super long shelf life. You can get them anywhere boating supplies are sold, the Coast Guard uses them. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 1:04:40 AM | Your funny Soulmate. I guess when you on these board you can't expect to be understood what you are saying about stocking up a little extra food for emergency use. Not what I live on a year.
Don't worry about me I live in the country rarely buy meat because I hunt for most of my food. Pheasants, ducks, rabbits, and deer have a garden ever year know wild plants to eat have fresh asparagus coming out already. Not counting all the fish.
Hurricane, ice storm, power going out no differnece to me. Have my wood stove kerosene lanterns, solar panel 12 volts dc lights, hand pump on the well, chain saw, axes, etc.
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