| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/26/2008 9:01:19 PM | I'm fairly certain that prostitution is the exchange of goods of value for sexual favours....Stripping is a sexual favour, and as such counts as prostitution...By the same token, i don't think it matters seeing as strip joints exist pretty much everywhere, same as prostitution is "illegal" pretty much everywhere.
Let me see if I can pin this down a little.
Let's just take for granted that you are married[play along,this is just pretend]and you come home one evening particularly amorous.Your wife says go on upstairs and I'll meet you in a few minutes.She enters the bedroom and brings you your favorite drink,cigar and slippers.She leans over and says how much she loves you and has waited for this all day.She walks over to the CD player and pops in one of your favorite songs and begins to dance for you while slowly removing all her garments.Song ends and she lays down and goes to sleep.
Still think this is a sexual favor....?Did you have sex ...?Or just get figuratively screwed? | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/26/2008 9:54:32 PM | Is exotic dancing prostitution?
To make a long story short, recently I was out with a group of friends in Las Vegas.
We were looking for something to do and someone in the group suggested one of the
strip joints. Oddly enough it was a woman. I declined indicating that it wasnt something I would be comfortable with. The woman who suggested it kept pressing the issue, and finally I told her that exotic dancing was prostitutuion, was at best morally questionable, and I didnt care to support prostitution or put money in the pockets of pimps. She got really angry, and her and a couple of others went, and I found something better to do. Over the course of the next 2 days the subject kept coming up,
and the woman in question seemed to be really bent our of shape.
The question is, was I wrong? Im not a prude, and I dont really care what others do with their lives, but I was raised to think that we are all responsible for our actions,
and prostitution is at best socially irresponsible, the same applies to pornography.
The dictionary reads that anyone who engages in sexual activity for money is
a prostitute, and anyone who profits from it is a pimp. Seems to be pretty clear to me.
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Who cares what some girls gone wild ho says; stand up and dont' even listen. She brings it up all the time because she feels guilty about it and is obvious insecure with your answer.
We live in a sleazy, if you do anything sexual your cool world. Well I'm sorry. If your getting paid to do a sexual act your a prostitute. End of story.
Dont' hang around this person and man up. Be true to your convictions, even if its not cool or in. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/26/2008 9:57:59 PM | Yes it is prostitution. It's females CHOOSING to sell themselves for money rather than get a real job. Such females give decent, respectable women a bad name. I applaud your comment and fully agree It's sad that some females have such low self esteem and think so poorly of themselves that they have to sell their bodies for money and for approval. But it's what they choose to do. They aren't forced into it. They can say yes or no.
So technically any time a woman sells a service, its prostitution?
Prostitution is offering sexual intercourse for pay.
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I was going to rip on you but your only 22.
No offense but this is by far the stupidest answer ever! So if a girl does oral sex with a guy for money, ITS NOT PROSTITUTION? OMG. If she gives him a hand job its not prostitution? Are you Bill Clintons long lost son?
Thats funny because there are women and johns that get arrested for this stuff all the time.
Prostitution is getting paid for a sexual act; end of story. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/26/2008 11:19:02 PM | No offense but this is by far the stupidest answer ever! So if a girl does oral sex with a guy for money, ITS NOT PROSTITUTION? OMG. If she gives him a hand job its not prostitution? Are you Bill Clintons long lost son?
Both of which require contact and create an exchange of fluids.
Dancing in most places prohibits this.
Did you go to school on the short yellow bus???
And what about the scantily clad dancers of any show....?Prostitutes?? | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/26/2008 11:43:09 PM |
Yes it is prostitution. It's females CHOOSING to sell themselves for money rather than get a real job.
The all jobs are prostitution because everyone gives themselves in the form of their labor to another person in exchange for money.
If the OP doesn't want to go to a titty bar, cool. The others went and probably had a fun time. If they keep bringing up the subject and it makes her uncomfortable, I think she should look for other friends. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/26/2008 11:54:39 PM | | cool - yet another post in which the op is convinced they are right, everybody with an adverse opinion is wrong and they will come back to prove it so...... gmab...... | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 12:02:23 AM | The question here isn't about whether exotic dancing is degrading or exploitative. The original question asked here was whether it constitutes PROSTITUTION, which dancing, being legal, clearly does not.
If the OP has an agenda to "prove" exotic dancing is morally the same as prostitution, s/he will have to start another thread saying so upfront. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 12:02:51 AM | | Since when is removing clothing sex? I thought it was just being naked the way we were born. Dancing is not sex either. Is it just when you combine the two that there is a problem? I'm confused. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 2:08:50 AM |
Is exotic dancing prostitution?
NO, exotic dancing is not prostitution; BUT, if you're preacher and you can make money by making people feel like they're going to go to hell if they don't listen to you and give you money; it's a good motivational tool.
Actually, uncovering your body in front of men you're not married to is considered a sin in the old testament. There's about 665 other sins in Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy as well. That's where we find things about homosexuality, women not living apart from everyone when they're on their period and eating cheeseburgers are abominable things in the sight of God.
Sometimes we do things we don't feel right about. I do accounting work for a university which makes nuclear weapons and nanotech eavesdropping devices as well as testing drugs on animals.
Some people do erotic dancing to put a roof over their heads and feed themselves and their families.
I don't think I have any room to look down on them.
I've never starved but I hope I'd never murder or steal or hurt someone directly to take care of myself. I don't think I would...
Jesus once said "This world is the principality of the Devil."
I believe that to be true... | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 3:40:07 AM | i really don't think you need to get hung up on the word prostitution.. or be primerily concerned with the sexual aspect of the job... (in an ideal world it is up to a consenting adult how they earn their money)
The real issue is slavery... a great many women in the sex industry in las vegas are trafficked into your country from overseas - they then are not usually choosing to sell themselves in this way but find themselves with no other choice... while it is the mafia operating on the right side of the law who run most of what is going on... so to be on the safe side... i would just not go to las vegas at all... if i could avoid it.. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 3:52:08 AM |
--as we ALL have our views/likes and we aren't GOD to judge--
Judging how others act is the basis of civilization and all moral and ethical
law and institutions.
And yet you have the arrogance to presume to judge people! MY civilization is based on free will, and as long as I'm not hurting anyone else, I have the right to do as I please, and so does everyone else. How does the old saying go? My right to swing my fist ends at the point of your nose. Its only when narrow minded bigots like you decide you know what's best, not just for yourself, but everyone else, and try to make people conform to your particular viewpoint, that we as a society run into problems.
Sexuality is a part of human society, always has been and always will be. And girls have been dancing in front of guys in veils (or less) ever since humans began to develop a civilization, and you know why? Because its nice to see a pretty young woman enjoying and displaying her body. That doesn't make her a whore. I'm not naive enough to dismiss the more tawdry elements that are part of the exotic dancing scene, or prostitution and pornography either, but in most cases it can be just a harmless release for the vast majority of people. And from the girls I've known personally that chose that career for a time, for whatever reason (to put themselves thru school, to support their family, or simply just because they enjoyed the attention), they went into it with open eyes, and usually made good money too; that is her choice to make, not yours.
You were invited to go to a strip club, and you made a choice that worked for you, based on your beliefs and comfort level. Aren't people that want to participate in that activity, whether as spectators or as entertainers, entitled to make their own choices as well, based on their own beliefs? That's morality and ethics right there, based on personal choice and free will. There is no morality in mindless conformity. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 3:53:47 AM | Aren't we all prostitutes in a way ?
If you hold down a regular job and sell your time and skills to someone else isn't that a type of prostitution ?
There are some people I can think of who have to prostitute themselves a lot more than than a crack whore. Being a newscaster at FOX news for instance.
I don't claim any moral superiority about prostitutes, I'd just never go to one out of my own convictions. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 6:22:09 AM | | No i don't believe that stripping is the same thing as prostitution. it is a morally ambiguous area to be sure, since it does elicit a sexual response for money but unless there is an actual sexual act i don't believe it is the same thing as hooking. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 6:51:13 AM | Is exotic Dancing prostitution. That's a good question.
I've often argued that a woman that marries for money, or for a car, or for a man that will support them, is in essence a prostitute. The same goes for a female that dates and sleeps with a man because he will give her a ring, or a bit of money, or to pay a bill.
Dancing does not fall into these categories though. There is no sex. There is no "fondling" , there is no contact - so it is a spectator sport. It's also one of the oldest forms of entertainment.
I once knew a dancer that was a professional. She didn't get drunk at the bar or sleep with the customers, she only danced. During a conversation she told me that she was a college graduate. That dancing paid more than her chosen career, a lot more.
I've been in a few clubs. Don't particularly enjoy them, and to be honest, I tend to be bored to tears by the time I leave (that and broke). The girls are actresses and the club is an artificial environment that is designed to elicit money from the pockets of the men and women present. During every trip I have made, I've managed to isolate one girl, give her money to sit with me officially, then having a really nice conversation about anything but dancing. When I leave, my memories are of the conversation and not the dancers.
Now, that does not answer two of your questions.
Your first question seems to be "should I go to a place that I am not comfortable?"
Not being comfortable is a way to stretch yourself. You have made an opinion on something, fortified your opinion with unsubstantiated facts, reinforced it with more opinion, then accused dancers of being prostitutes and your friends of being johns. You offended everyone, not with your decision to not go, but with the justification you used afterwards to shore up a position that was little more than your personal choice.
Your second question was not asked. I'll answer it anyway.
If you made a decision to not go to a strip club based on your personal desire to not go to a strip club, then why are you defending yourself? Quit being a baby about it and just tell them, "I choose not to go for personal reasons. Can we move on?" Letting them drag you into a situation that you are not comfortable with is wrong. You need more guts to resist than to fold. But that does not address another issue that you should deal with.
If you close your mind to things, then you damage yourself. You lose valuable experiences. You condemn others with no facts and then add facts as you make them up to justify your position. It is a dangerous way to think. If you base your knowledge in fact, verify your facts to make sure that you are not being lied to, and then form an opinion - it is based on something that is reasonable and defendable.
On the other hand. Just saying to them, “I don’t want to go.” Is not an opinion, it is a choice. There is nothing wrong with making a choice and sticking with it. After all, if it were me, I would have said, "Those places are not the kind of places I like to hang out at. You all want to go, please, go on, I'll find something else to enjoy. Have fun." | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 7:01:23 AM | exotic dancing is an example of spiritual prostitution... woman who dance know that the men watching get sexually aroused... everything on a physiological level starts in the mind... i could not fanthom the idea of having creepy men thinking of me in a perverted way... turns my stomach... so very sad for the woman up there on a stage... because they have been robbed of their dignity and don't even know it...  | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 7:39:48 AM | | yes, anytime sex is used in some manner to obtain money or some other tangible asset, it's prostitution no matter what the legal definition is | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 7:53:17 AM | Wow! So tell me, is wearing makeup, since it is designed to make you more sexually attractive, a form of prostitution? What about a litttle black dress if the idea is to get some guy to buy you a drink? You are exchanging a psudo sexual favor (your appearance in that dress) for a coke or a lunch. Is it wrong for a man that happens to see you in that dress to appriciate how you look - or is that a reason to have him arrested as a pervert while the man you are TRYING to turn on is OK beucase you want him to be excited?
Lastly, have you ever spoken to any of the women up on the stage? Do you know how they feel? Or do you assume that they are unaware of their personal dignity? Do you consider them stupid?
You get a drink and a meal... they get their rent paid. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 7:58:13 AM | I have a question for everyone on this subject.
Two clubs next door to each other.
Club 1 allows the girls to dance, but they are dressed in bikini's and pasties (more than the centerfold in Sports Illustrated wore).
Club 2 is a juice bar, no alcohol, and the girls dance nude.
Is the first club prostitution?
Is the second club prostitution?
And why?
Now, just to throw in a wrench?:)
What part of the woman's body must be exposed to make it prostitution? | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 8:01:31 AM | My boss thinks I'm hawt. I must be a prostitute...........
Seriously. If you don't wish to go, don't go. Don't let someone force you or twist your arm either. I don't believe it's prostitution though. Not in today's sense. SOME of the dancers may well indeed BE prostitutes - some prostitutes may BE dancers. But you know what? Your cashier at your local Schlepps might just also be a prostitute. Now - have you thought about that? (note to self ----- ALWAYS carry hand sanitizer.....) | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 8:12:48 AM | | Just as a side note, what on earth were you doing in Vegas anyway? With your moral compass, didn't the soles of your feet burst into flames the second you hit the county line? Might want to try Branson, Mo. next time - like Vegas for Christians, or moralists with kids. Also is absolutely GORGEOUS! Try it. You'll like it. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 12:03:03 PM |
Yes it is prostitution. It's females CHOOSING to sell themselves for money rather than get a real job. Such females give decent, respectable women a bad name. I applaud your comment and fully agree It's sad that some females have such low self esteem and think so poorly of themselves that they have to sell their bodies for money and for approval. But it's what they choose to do. They aren't forced into it. They can say yes or no.
Whom is taking advantage of whom?
You've won the "Billy Madison Award!"
"...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.” | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 12:24:15 PM |
I was raised to think that we are all responsible for our actions,
and prostitution is at best socially irresponsible, the same applies to pornography.
You're entitled to your opinion, but this is the part that concerns me. It sounds like you've never taken the time to question anything you were taught growing up.
Whether you realize it or not, that's unhealthy.
The global sex industry brutalizes and exploits millons of women and girls,
many of whom are little more than sex slaves, and the bulk of the money goes into the pockets of thugs and criminals. It reduces women to little more than animals.
Somones daughter, mother, sister or wife has to debase themselves.
And these women voluntarily go into this line of work. They're not slaves if they're choosing to do it. They're not victims if they're willingly involved in the exploitation process.
I understand what you're saying. From a technical standpoint, a woman is receiving money in exchange for acting sexually. But if you really want to count this as prostitution, technically you should also consider dating (or at least the way a lot of guys go about it) to be prostitution as well. If the guy pays for anything for the woman and she ends up sleeping with him after the fact, he has technically paid for sex. Thus making her a prostitute by technical definition. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 4/27/2008 12:55:11 PM |
The dictionary reads that anyone who engages in sexual activity for money is
a prostitute.
So, if you don't get paid to masturbate, does that make you a slut? | |
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