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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/1/2008 3:04:13 AM | for the ever well informed 26natasha26...
Meanwhile your date's buying you dinner or taking you to a movie. One day your husband will buy you a house and before that, an engagement ring...hypocrite. And don't give me any crap that you don't expect to have your way paid, I'd believe anything that comes out of Bush's mongoloid mouth first. If even once you let someone pay your way and then you had sex with them, get on the street corner...end of discussion. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/1/2008 3:21:20 AM | for the equally well researched initiator of this topic timenough123...
"How do you live in the world without a moral center?"
You can question strip clubs but not geopolitical issues? I live in a world without a moral center every day since late November of 2000. Trust me, strippers aren't ruining the moral fiber of this country in any way that affects my life.
"The global sex industry brutalizes and exploits millons of women and girls,
many of whom are little more than sex slaves, and the bulk of the money goes into the pockets of thugs and criminals. It reduces women to little more than animals.
Somones daughter, mother, sister or wife has to debase themselves."
I can't speak for the sex/porn industries of other nations, but it's a gray area. A woman could have been abused as a child and wind up living a decent straightforward life. A woman could come from a wealthy background and be on the street corner peddling herself. And strippers aren't pulled off the street here in America, and forced to gyrate onstage for ogling hordes of men. Trust me, I'm sure those women would rather work a dead-end job for minimum wage checks rather than strap on a thong and grind a pole to a club mix. But then again, when they take home ungodly amounts of money, and if they don't have a drug habit (their own choice to get into that as well)...they earn their living as I do. And for the record, I haven't been to a strip club in 6 years and I live right down the street from one in fact.
"You need to reevaluate your ethics. "
You need to stop seeking out any kind of attention, good or bad, you seem needy. and stop judging people. Fine, exotic dancing's not for you, this isn't the sermon on the mount. And I don't trust anyone who espouses nonsense about a moral code...those are usually the ones with skeletons in their closet...what kind of bones are you hiding? | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 4:00:35 AM |
You need to stop seeking out any kind of attention, good or bad
no offence dude put how many times in a row did you just post something?
A woman could have been abused as a child and wind up living a decent straightforward life. A woman could come from a wealthy background and be on the street corner peddling herself.
you are absolutely correct with that statement. we all have, and make, our choices, regardless of our backgrounds. while our childhoods may explain why we make some decisions, a woman still had the choice of working at BK over sliding up and down the pole or selling her body. and for ones who abuse drugs, they also had the choice the first time they put something in their bodies. they also have the choice to seek help. there are shelters for women and drug treatment programs. and before someone here lashes out at me over the drug and shelter comment, i've never been in these situations myself, however, i have brought some women to a shelter and when a friend overdosed and stopped breathing in my car on the way to the hospital, the doctors made sure this person sought treatment. the help is out there, it's up to people to ask for it!
And strippers aren't pulled off the street here in America, and forced to gyrate onstage for ogling hordes of men. Trust me, I'm sure those women would rather work a dead-end job for minimum wage checks rather than strap on a thong and grind a pole to a club mix.
you'd be wrong in SOME cases. what do you think happens sometimes when a teenage girl goes missing? kind of difficult to prefer and go work for minimum wage when it could get you or your family killed. and when someone is force fed drugs so they're an addict and then has no other option but to depend on the person who did it and do as they say to get their fix. and many of the women who are in this line of work, do not want to work for minimum wage because they make more money taking their clothes off. why would someone who is making 500/day, etc., go and work for perhaps 500 dollars every 2 weeks? | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/1/2008 4:07:30 AM |
I think everyone who has posted a comment so far and does not agree with that, is either:
a) A former or current dancer (which is why the majority of the women posting are so defensive)
b) A dirty old man who is constantly at the strip club, sitting in "perverts row" and to make himself feel better he tells himself that it's an "art" other than what it really is.. prostitution.
c) Never been to a strip club and has no idea what it consists of.
Wow. You sound like the biggest prude on POF.
Anyhow.
a) I'm not a former or current dancer, and I don't think exotic dancing is prostitution.
b) I am not a dirty old man. I'm a 21 year old girl
c) AND I have been to a strip club.
That being said, I've said it in a previous post and I'll stand by it. I don't think that exotic dancing is prostitution. I think that it is a low job, yes but strip clubs are not brothels. Maybe that's where you're confused. Because I'm pretty sure prostitution is the act of providing sexual intercourse for monetary gain. & exotic dancing doesn't mean sexual intercourse, at least at the strip clubs I've been to.
I like strip clubs...I don't see the problem. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 2:10:58 PM | LOL ...nice reply.
I wonder when the first comes to claim to be pretty sure that even Marilyn Monroe was rubbing the presidents eardrum singing sexy birthday wishes with her most private voice as a kind of a sexual act.  | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/1/2008 5:47:31 PM | LMAO! Well, since Clinton was president, the whole definition of what constitutes "sex" has changed. So maybe now wiggling ones tush is prostitution .. and a blow job is just a "friendly kiss"!!!
>>> For anyone who took ^ that serious - Don't. Blowjobs are still sex and exotic dancing is no more prostitution than beach volleyball!
Exotic dancing does not (necessarily) mean stripping. It is generally a form of dance performed by men and/or women that is considered sexually provocative. So is whispering the right words in the right persons ear. Still NOT prostitution.
I can do a pretty provocative spin around a pole - With my clothes on and without any exchange of money .. Not a prostitute.
I also know "some" women who feel they oughta "put out" cuz their date paid for 'supper' .. IMO that's prostitution.
Prostitution: Sexual favours for money.
I have never felt the need to have condoms available when I danced!
A.S.is
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/1/2008 7:23:40 PM | | Aren't we all happy that people like natasha aren't making and enforcing the laws of the country. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2008 8:31:22 PM | For the ever well informed PJBROWN...
Yes, you are exactly right. Stripping is EXACTLY like having a husband.
I'm sorry but no I do not sleep with people and expect them to buy things for me because yes, that is protitution and I'm not a protitute. For you to think that this is the norm for women to do this shows your lack of morals and shitty upbringing. I assume that you're one of the regulars at the bar I was speaking of earlier? 
For SEARCHER1957:
You don't happen to be one of those creepy old men in perverts row are you? hmmm well I creeped your profile and I think that your not only one of those but also one of the creepy old pervs at the street corner looking for a quick blow job before you go home to your wife and kids. Well actually according to your profile your wife would be in on the action. You're discusting, just like the whores your trying to defend. Thank you for posting and proving my point.
Thank you to everyone who posted after me as you all just proved my point. Even the one 'girl' who claims she's 21 and not a dancer and conveinetly has no picture. We all know that you're actually a 45 year old man living in your mom's basement, you're not fooling anyone.
I think I've proven my point and I'm not going to waist my time arguing it anymore with a bunch of sluts and pervs. That life style makes me sick. People defending and enabling that life style make me sick. Defending them by saying they had no choice to get into that lifestyle is a joke because they did have a choice and they decided to take the easy way out. Instead of working and making an honest living they decided to be whores and take their clothes off for a living. Meanwhile, honest single mothers are working 3 to 4 shitty jobs trying to make ends meet. It's just discusting.
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/1/2008 9:01:39 PM | | Natasha, you clearly have anger, and insecurity issues since this would be the only reason to be this venomous towards others who choose a different path than you would or have a different opinion. The reason the adult industry is viewed as something to be ashamed of is because of the way North America continues to keep hold of this hypocritical view that we should be ashamed of our sexuality yet it's completely healthy and we all enjoy it. I don't make a habit of going to strip clubs, but have been to them a few times and I noticed no disrespect towards the women and no "perving out" whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. In fact it's usually the opposite. If you're older than 13 and have any maturity level at all, simply seeing somebody naked doesn't get you worked up. It's just nudity. There's nothing wrong with men or women admiring beauty. I think these women show quite a bit of confidence and courage doing what they do and any I've talked to seem like pretty normal people to me. If I were you I'd be more concerned about my spelling since it shows that you're obviously ignorant of more things than just the adult entertainment industry. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/1/2008 9:43:57 PM | I think exotic dancing is taking one's clothing off for money. It's getting paid to get naked and turn people on. It is a sexual activity that women are doing for the money. So based upon these facts, draw your own conclusions. It's not having actual intercourse, but then prostitution is about selling sex for money, so even if erotic dancing isn't actual prostitution, it's pretty darn close. It's in the ballpark or under the prostitution "umbrella." Imho.
The facts are that these days morality is no longer "popular." And someone who exhibits morality is likely to be referred to as a prude and jeered at. It's not politically correct to speak out against or judge much of anything anymore; however it's fine to have an opinion and mine is that pornography exploits women and has been proven to be harmful -- exotic dancing takes place in an environment that frequently exploits women, and these women are often involved with a sleazy, criminal element and many use drugs. Many dance simply to afford their drugs.
All in all, these are normally not nice places to be hanging out and I wouldn't be interested in becoming involved with someone who enjoys these types of settings or environments, nor do I care to be involved with someone for whom this is "entertainment." Then again, I also don't care to be involved with men who make pornography a regular part of their lives either.
It's an each to his own type of thing. I'm entitled to my choices and personal opinions. I want to date those who think similarly. Those who don't think similarly are not going to enjoy being in a future relationship with me and visa versa. As for the rest, it's their life and I expect they will live it as they choose. And that is certainly their business to do so.
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Posted: 5/2/2008 3:24:49 AM |
hank you to everyone who posted after me as you all just proved my point. Even the one 'girl' who claims she's 21 and not a dancer and conveinetly has no picture. We all know that you're actually a 45 year old man living in your mom's basement, you're not fooling anyone.
I don't put my picture up so that I can choose who to message. Those that I do message, get my picture. I don't have to beg for male attention by putting my pictures up, sorry darling. I don't need to beg for male attention on the internet by posing with my hot friend either. *cough i looked at your profile*
What would all of your mothers think?
My mother believes in freedom of speech, so she'd be all for me voicing my opinion. What about yours? Is she a church going massive prude who thinks that everybody fits some sort of mold like you are? Not everybody can fit into one of your categories, sorry to say.
You should really take a look in the mirror before you start calling people sluts, too by the way. Because your second picture on your profile shows a bit much on the cleavage side. Does that make you a whore? a slut? I think so if you go by your own rules.
Enjoy being the cat lady, prude. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 3:28:18 AM | wow!...suddenly my opinions aren't looking so bad are they guys? atleast i was a bit more respectful and less angry and more neutral in the wording than a certain young woman up there!
her last post was a bit extreme and fanatical...i have a feeling that there's something more in her past or something that caused that anger or something. she is entitled to her opinion. oh well! | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 5:51:38 AM | Actually Vicious Vixen you're right, my best friend since I was 12 became a stripper a few years ago (underage, she was 17 when she started and most of the girls that I know that are dancers started underage so most of the time you're watching little girls, not women) and I have heard and witnessed first hand what goes on in these places. The girls don't make their money on stage in front of the crowd of people, which I'm sure you all already knew, it's in the champagne room where the guys pay for a dance in a room with just him and the girl. The guy can normally make demands such as having the girl whip him or kick him in the balls or punch him in the face, whatever gets those pervs off and it's all legit. It's included in the dance, the girl can do whatever she wants to him, which includes rubbing her vag on the guys face, rubbing her bare breasts on the guys face etc. I don't care what type of strip clud it is, from the cracked out one of the edge of town to the high scale one downtown, they're all the same. The things these girls do are sexual acts and that is how they get their money. No, it's not full blown intercourse but it's still sexual acts. I'm sorry that I'm not sugar coating it for everybody and I'm coming off as a total **** but it is what it is.
If you go into any given strip club and ask one of the girls if she likes what she's doing I guarantee you she'll say no because they all know it's wrong and degrading and that's why the majority of them are either extremely depressed, on drugs or alcoholics. I have seen this lifestyle first hand completely destroy people and everyone around them and that is why I have no respect for the people who are in it or who support it (the people who support it clearly have no idea of the realities of it). Why not instead of lying to yourselves saying that these girls are happy and it's a legit business or “art” and what not, why don't you go and talk to one of these girls and tell them that they're better than what they're doing. You think you're doing these girls a favor by sticking up for them? You people are the ones who are ignorant and clearly have no idea what you are supporting but please, go ahead and continue to lie to yourselves and contribute to the demise of these girls. I'm sure that if it was one of your sisters, mothers or daughters up there on stage you'd all be singing a different tune and it wouldn't seem so innocent anymore.
Oh and to Heart On Sleeve. I still think that you're a 45 year old man sitting in your moms basement. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 6:03:59 AM | I actually work next door to a strip club and I've heard some stories. Yeah, some of the dancers will prostitute themselves out to customers but usually they spread themselves out among co-workers. The big thing going on over there now is the DJ is having sex with two of them and contracted genital warts. That's if he's lucky because there's no telling what other diseases he's got. His big thing is trying to shake other people's hands as a prank. Thankfully the bouncer warned me of this so the next time he comes over to get food I'll know what to do if tries to pull that crap with me.
Rampant drug use is usually the norm with these people and so they'll do anything to pay for their habits as well. Keep that in mind.
The best thing to do if you want an exotic dance is to find a woman that likes doing that sort of thing for her man and buy her a pole. Nothing like having your own personal stripper and best of all, you don't have to tip her. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 6:29:18 AM | | Natasha: The reason any woman would be ashamed or be depressed over this occupation, etc. is because of the stigma caused by the ignorance and backward thinking that is rampant in North America. If the attitude was positive and we were a more sexually open society no problem would exist. Other countries and cultures don't have these views and it's not a problem so it's people that talk the way you do that destroys women not the people who support them. Sorry, if you're too narrow minded to see the bigger picture but it's understandable given the fact that our hypocritical culture beats these negative attitudes into our minds from birth. Luckily I can see through the garbage and realize why things are the way they are for myself. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 6:44:31 AM | | I don't think exotic dancing is prostitution per se, but like prostitutes, exotic dancers and camgirls make money off their bodies and selling a sexual fantasy. The porn industry as a whole exploits men as much as it does women. After all, it's men who are forking over tons of money to the porn industry. I'm not a moralistic holier-than-thou person or a prude, but the porn industry knows that we men get turned-on by beautiful women, turned-on enough to make it a multi-billion-dollar-a-year industry. Even if exotic dancers aren't trading sexual favors for money, they are still selling a sexual fantasy. After all, what straight guy wouldn't want an absolutely gorgeous babe to lavish all that positive attention on him? In the end, though, prostitutes, exotic dancers, and camgirls only care about the money and not about the guys who give them that money. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:13:35 PM |
I'm pretty sure the last time I checked, a woman rubbing her private parts all over a mans face was a sexual act. Someone tried to defend strippers before by saying "It's not protitution because men aren't even allowed to touch the women!" Well that's great and all but you forgot to mention the fact that the women are still allowed to touch the men...i.e: prostitution.
Actually, a lot of strip clubs have things like the 3 foot rule where the dancers are actually not allowed to touch the men. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 2:03:59 PM |
i've also asked why aren't people ... condoning the idea of presenting this career choice to young girls and promoting the career in schools ... no one has seemed to comment on it. i wonder why?
Okay, I'll bite...
I didn't (formerly) address this because it's a stupid question. It's totally non sequitor (doesn't prove anything), so there's nothing to defend. Since this isn't as obvious to you as it is me... I'll clairify for you...
The implication is "if it's not shopped to young women in schools, or pushed on them by their parents, it must be a bad career choice" correct? Okay... I don't remember refuse removal, coal miner, rancher, construction worker, telecommunications engineer, project manager, or sewer worker being shopped to women (or men) either. Are these "sin" jobs as well? No.
There's certain jobs that have prestige (ie, Dr, Lawyer, Firemen, CEO, CFO...), and will always be shopped and talked about more. They're more widely accepted in our culture as "proper" jobs. That doesn't mean all the other jobs are crap.
i've been to strip clubs all over and haven't seen any 50 or 55 year old strippers getting up shaking their thangs. why?
1) Because you don't go to the strip clubs that have this age of dancer.
2) Most people don't stick with their original career choice - ESPECIALLY in the service industry. Service industry jobs are generally gateway jobs to something else.
3) Ever here of promotions, or people learning a trade and starting their own business in the same field? | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 2:28:00 PM |
I didn't (formerly) address this because it's a stupid question. It's totally non sequitor (doesn't prove anything), so there's nothing to defend. Since this isn't as obvious to you as it is me... I don't remember refuse removal, coal miner, rancher, construction worker, telecommunications engineer, project manager, or sewer worker being shopped to women (or men) either. Are these "sin" jobs as well? No.
is that so? well, if a child went to their parent and said they wanted to be one of these things would the parent be disappointed or discourage it? i doubt it, unless they are a completely pretentious snob. (seriously man, there is a huge difference and you know it! those profession don't require the person to disrobe and girate in public) again, if a child went to their parents and said they wanted to be a stripper or exotic dancer, would the parent encourage this? no they would not. also, i'm pretty confident that if a child went to their parents and said they wanted to be one of the professions you used as examples or a stripper, which one do you think the parent would encourage?! also, i work in a profession that was never "shopped or pushed" however, i'm quite sure that if i said i wanted to do that when i was a child, my parents wouldn't have discouraged it, and i doubt most would. it isn't a stupid point, it's a realistic one! i stand by my earlier statement as well as this one. be realistic!
Natacha, although i see your point of view and do understand how the trade can be that way, there are exceptions as well. as i mentioned in an earlier post, it only takes a few to ruin it for everyone. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 5:39:52 PM |
Oh and to Heart On Sleeve. I still think that you're a 45 year old man sitting in your moms basement.
And I still think you're a wannabe stripper who didn't make it. We all have our theories right baby girl?
Nobody once said that these girls liked what they were doing. I've known 2 girls who turned to that lifestyle. & yeah that was her choice, but it still sucks for her. My friend asked her if she'd ever be a hooker and she said no, she could barely stand the job she was doing, and that it was below her to do the other. My point is...there's a difference. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 7:00:02 PM | Ah Natasha....yup, i am a totally dedicated old perv. The thing is, i don't stand on street corners and it has been years since i have been in a strip club. i get all i need at home and don't need to be spitting venom at anyone who has a different opinion. This is a free country and we have the right to take up any occupation we want as long as it is within the legal bounds as set out by the government. As for the strippers not liking what they do, i am sure if you go into any office, on any construction site or any factory, you will find people who hate their work. This isn't a perfect world but we do what we have to do to survive.
It is so nice to see that you are able to discern so much about people from their profiles. I had a look at your profile as well and judging by that and your posts could have made quite a few derogatory assumptions as well but i like to offer facts when arguing instead of biting and snapping at people whom you know little about. Why not give this a little thought and show some maturity instead of acting like a two year old.
Relax, be a little more accepting and i am sure you will find that the world will treat you a whole lot better. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 7:16:38 PM | | I do not think that it is prostitution, however I am sure that some strippers are prostitutes also. With that being said, at one point in my life i enjoyed going to the strip club with my man, we use to go at least once or twice a month. Some men enjoy going, and I was going to be right by his side when he went, but also had a good time when I went. The strippers-women that worked in the club we went to were beautiful, and friendly with me, and I never gave them a dollar. They are human- women as I am, and could relate on many different levels in conversations that I had with some. As the old saying goes, " Dont judge until you have walked a mile in their shoes." !!! | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/2/2008 10:01:49 PM | cw35 said:
The reason any woman would be ashamed or be depressed over this occupation, etc. is because of the stigma caused by the ignorance and backward thinking that is rampant in North America. If the attitude was positive and we were a more sexually open society no problem would exist.
Without hijacking too much, I disagree with your premise that if we were a more sexually open society, no problem would exist -- and women wouldn't be ashamed, depressed, or stigmatized due to exotic dancing being their occupation.
Our society is quite sexually open enough, in my opinion. The fact that the majority on this topic string are fine with exotic dancing and see no harm whatsoever in it, and that includes women shows you just how sexually open the USA has become.
There is free graphic, violent, and extreme XXXXX rated porn galore, and it is prevalent enough online that you'll never need to spend a dime to get your fill. There are totally nude strip bars if the real thing is more to your liking, in pretty much every city and state. There are escort services for every preference from BDSM to the guy who wants to wear diapers. Anything your mind can comprehend and even that which your mind cannot comprehend is available for the darkest, most perverse soul for a fairly reasonable price. It's all here and it's all at your fingertips.
Furthermore, step on over to our forums under "Sex and Dating" and view the various topics. You'll see just how "open" society has become. Swinging, threesomes, and foursomes are acceptable and the norm among "vanilla" dating sites like this now, while this would have been absolutely unheard of ten years ago.
Morality is in steady decline. God has been removed from pretty much everything He can be removed from. STD's are rampant. Often times you'll see women on here write in surprise that they can't find a date who doesn't expect sexual intimacy immediately. Again, this is now the norm. Now, take a look at "Broken Hearts" on this forum and do a little reading there. You'll see how quickly people get intimate with one another and the end result of that. And many men actually subscribe to a "3-date rule."
I definitely disagree with you and think there are many problems as a result of how permissive and sexually open society has become here in the United States of America. I honestly do not believe we can get much more "sexually open." | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/3/2008 3:36:42 AM | | Just because you can find anything you wish to see doesn't make it accepted. It doesn't matter what we have access to because it's still frowned upon as "dirty" or unacceptable. Supressing our natural urges and being told sex or a certain lifestyle isn't natural or "dirty" can have dangerous consequences or cause mental trauma and guilt that isn't healthy. I also don't see what a belief in "god" has to do with anything. It's ridiculous ideas caused by a belief in a diety and religion that's caused a lot of the trouble and guilt in the first place, yet so called religious people are some of the most warped people sexually. All of this is caused by unnatural suppression of our instincts through guilt. Religion is the root of this negative view we have of anything sexual in the first place. Once we let go of these ancient silly beliefs and ideas we can evolve and hopefully the world will be a better and more peaceful place. | |
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