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Posted: 5/3/2008 8:55:05 AM | Who here has not heard of the "oldest profession in the world?" Vaginas are very valuable commodities, they should be traded on the NYSE. I am surprised you would allow yourself to step foot in Nevada, home to legal prostitution and chicken ranches. The greater evil is the woman doing it who is ashamed of herself, or gets caught up in drugs/alcohol to jump the mental hurdle from the pain of having to do it. | |
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Posted: 5/3/2008 10:26:38 AM | I've known a few strippers, some who enjoyed it, some who didn't. I've known some who said, hey, I'm making great money to just dance and tease guys, what the heck. I've also known some who hated it and found it degrading but wanted the money, for a variety of reasons, ranging from using it for college to raising children to yes, in one case, substance abuse problems, though to be fair, she had those problems long before she started stripping.
If someone wants to sell their body, that's their right, period. Its their body. That we live in a society that tries to legislate morality is sad. I haven't been to a strip club in 2 years, I'll be going in a few weeks for my younger brother's 18th birthday but I don't go regularly. But when I have, I have a good time, generally spend a lot of money mind you and end up feeling like it was a waste afterwards, but while I'm there, its a good time.
There's a lot of people in this thread who love to judge others but have no idea what they're talking about. I find it funny. Are some people exploited in the adult industry? Of course. But that doesn't mean all people or even most are. Oh, and for the record, I've never heard of a stripper who wasn't also a full on prostitute outside of the club having a pimp. | |
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Posted: 5/3/2008 11:48:54 AM | | Well.. if exotic dancing actually was prostitution then technically wouldn't it be illegal? According to the law it's not prostitution. So what if they're strippers who don't like what they do lots of people don't enjoy their jobs. | |
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Posted: 5/3/2008 9:55:13 PM | Dude, While your novel is quite a lesson of our rights as Americans, it doesn't answer the question. I totally agree with your view on our rights however, this is the answer to the question of the definition of prostitution.
pros·ti·tu·tion [ pròstə tsh'n ]
noun
Definition:
1. work of prostitute: the act of engaging in sexual intercourse or performing other sex acts in exchange for money, or of offering another person for such purposes
2. misuse of talent for gain: the use of a skill or ability in a way that is considered unworthy, usually for financial gain
Now, it says, "sexual intercourse or other SEX acts in exchange for money" Why do you think these so called escort services want you to pay for the "date" with those cards that have points or something like that? Because money isn't exchanged to enable any law enforcement official to arrest them.
The real question is....what is consdidered a "sex" act? Stripping, lap dances, etc...? And it also states, misuse of talent....Who determines what is misuse? The definition is too loose and therefore without conclusive and decisive definitions, it cannot be answered by anyone or enforced as "breaking the law" . Thus why strip clubs are popping up everywhere.....just like those so called "massage parlors with happy endings. They slip through the cracks because of the fact that you pay for a massage and who determines what gets massaged and what doesn't. Massages are legal in most states. In my state the massage parlors have been raided several times but they always win in court and are open the next day. So there is my novel!!! LOL Be kewl!
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 5/3/2008 10:28:38 PM | | honestly, i see nothing wrong with exotic dancing. personally, i view it as an art form and its not as if anyone is being forced to dance or, vice versa, being the one to watch it. sure ive heard of sketchy clubs where the dancers actually do sell themselves for more than just a"dance" but that has to do with the managers and all of those higher up that are not doing their job to ensure that their establishment provides DANCING and only DANCING. i have actually worked in an exotic night club, as a server NOT a dancer, and from my experience at that bar there was absolutely nothing shady going on behind the scenes. we all had fun at work, the dancers were respected and the clients acted appropriately or they were asked to leave. so i guess what im trying to say is, like all things in life there are certain people that can make a bad name for anything but we shouldnt be prejudiced and group all strip clubs as being affiliated with prostitution. if porn is accepted i dont see why people have a problem with seeing women who are confident in themselves make a living by dancing and, from most that i have spoken to, having a good time. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 7:33:37 AM |
1. work of prostitute: the act of engaging in sexual intercourse or performing other sex acts in exchange for money, or of offering another person for such purposes
2. misuse of talent for gain: the use of a skill or ability in a way that is considered unworthy, usually for financial gain
Now this makes things interesting...I guess anyone who "misuses" a talent for financial gain is a prostitute. So all those who posted were right when they said any job could be considered prostitution.
Ok - now I know DANCING is a talent but SEX...???  | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 9:01:46 AM | 1) Your female friend who was pushing the issue, apparently got exactly what she was looking for :)
2) Dancing on a stage isn't sex. Lap dancing and other contact? That can be blurring the lines, if you don't limit your definition of sex to just acts of pentration. Most lap dances are, after all, done for money.
But dancing on a stage, say a burlesque show, can be as much about art as titulation. And artists do get paid for their artwork.
3)Like anything, porn etc can be taken too far, and be damaging as a result. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 2:44:33 PM |
The reason any woman would be ashamed or be depressed over this occupation, etc. is because of the stigma caused by the ignorance and backward thinking that is rampant in North America. If the attitude was positive and we were a more sexually open society no problem would exist. Without hijacking too much, I disagree with your premise that if we were a more sexually open society, no problem would exist -- and women wouldn't be ashamed, depressed, or stigmatized due to exotic dancing being their occupation. Our society is quite sexually open enough, in my opinion. The fact that the majority on this topic string are fine with exotic dancing and see no harm whatsoever in it, and that includes women shows you just how sexually open the USA has become.
Yes, it seems so that the majority thinks like this. But after following this thread (as well as some others) I think that's also a truth in the statement above. I couldn't stop to compare it to my country where even prostitution is a legal occupation for some good reasons, covered by the social system as any other job. What I can't imagine was that someone here would have a discussion like that about exotic dancing as a job what is a completely different thing from prostitution. Don't get me wrong, there may be a wide variety of what people call excotic dancing (even prostitutes may dance like that), but if it comes to professional exotic dancing it's usually clear what they talk about.
They have ethics and rules people have to follow. I know several companies booking exotic dancers for events as anniversaries and they do their job in the same line as bands, singers, magicians, comedians or whatever and the same way people wouldn't touch a singer they didn't touch a dancer (including strippers).
This might be a little different in night clubs or if you book them for (birthday) parties or whatever, but the rules are still very clear. You could even get in trouble if you would cross that line. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 3:12:04 PM | | wow!well put!not only r u good looking u r intelligent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!im impressed!!!!wanna im with me????(I..M...)!!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 3:51:18 PM | To beautifuldancer400
You're discusting and judging by your pictures, a stipper/prostitute. The simple site of you makes me want to puke. I hope you're just on this site for the forums because otherwise I think your slutty ass is wasting your time. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 4:39:00 PM | beautifuldancer: on 101 favorites.
white: on zero favorites, spells like a 2 year old and has anger issues.
Need we say more? | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 5:02:46 PM | Funny how none have the same sorts of nasty convictions about male stripers.. For the ladies in this thread.. do you suppose you wouldn't marry a stud?
lmao.. I'd wager if some beautiful women who was a striper began to take a personal interest in some of these finger waving moralists they'd change their tune. In particular them lonely guys.. boy I bet they'd have some kind of epiphany.
They ought to go to a church or something to pick up instead of a real public forum. Surely they'd find someone with the same convictions. Of course we all know its a bunch of hypocrisy. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 5:19:27 PM | | Too true. The dirtiest women are usually "church goers". The hypocrisy makes me laugh sometimes. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 7:40:31 PM | white1488
You're discusting and judging by your pictures, a stipper/prostitute. The simple site of you makes me want to puke. I hope you're just on this site for the forums because otherwise I think your slutty ass is wasting your time
ok that was REALLY uncalled for! who the hell do you think you are? i flipped through the forum and didn't see a single thing beautiful dancer posted that would provoke you. you don't even have a pic on your profile yet are going to trash someone else for theirs? also, i think it's hilarious that you hoped she was on the site just for the forums since you made a point in your profile to state that was the only reason you're here! then again, you could probably learn some basic spelling and grammar skills...wouldn't surprise me if that was actually what you were doing since you can't even spell simple words correctly or use them in the correct context. therapy is in order for you loser...should be next on your list after completing the 2nd grade spelling bee. get a grip psycho! | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 8:33:58 PM |
Funny how none have the same sorts of nasty convictions about male stripers.. For the ladies in this thread.. do you suppose you wouldn't marry a stud?
wasn't this forum in regards to a MAN's reaction on female strippers and prostitutes?? and hate to break it to you, but i wouldn't be with a male stripper. guess i'm just posessive, selfish and old fashioned that way when i feel that i don't think anyone else but me should be seeing him nude or mostly nude (as i would hope he'd feel about me). that's just me though...some women would be absolutely fine with it, just like some men are absolutely fine with their women doing it (and some would be very pround of their partner). different strokes for different folks. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 10:40:21 PM | No.
A woman dancing for money is no more a profit than the short order cook who makes your hamburger for five bucks. As far as morally questionable, just about any dancer or prostitute is more honest and of higher morals than your average used car salesman. That is just philosophical/religious nonsense. nor do I see anything socially irresponsible about prostitution. A lot of gals down in Nevada are doing it safely and legally and making a bundle, for themselves, not pimps. I think this is a far better alternative than having millions of my tax dollars blown in enforcing laws that cannot be enforced. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 11:13:58 PM | Wow .... what a linear way of thinking...
I would have to say my daughter and her friends in grade 12 had a t-shirt made to prove a point at the high school they attended.
the picture showed a gorgeous woman dancing on a pole.. and the t-shirt read:
" I support single mothers"
Not all exotic dancers are prostitutes or drug addicts.. In fact a few woman who hold an education and are professional in their day jobs dance on the weekends. Why you ask? -- Because they have amazing bodies, personalities, and want to make extra money as they are single parents ~ Plus it is a viable source of income and all exotic dancers need to be licensed.
So let me ask you this;
What would you think if your at the Iron Horse on whyte and someone is dancing on the pole.. Would they be a prostitute in the bar???
Or better yet.. what about those people who put a pole in their bedroom - what does that signify?
Don't even get me started on pornography ~ however, what would a sex swing mean ??
Good grief.. get your head outta the sand and look at it from a logical point of view instead of a biased one
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Posted: 5/7/2008 8:10:02 AM | I don't think that exotic dancing is prostitution. Yes some ppl do offer more than a dance for extra money but we can't tar everyone with the same brush. I think you're a lil extreme in your views on this subject but I also believe that nobody should feel obligated to go outside of their comfort zone. Sex however will always be a seller and I think therefore the UK (and everywhere else) should legalise brothels and keep prostitutes safe and away from pimps who get easily influenced ppl on drugs and who exploit them.
From what your thread states I would class you as a bit of prude and tbh what gives you the right to judge these ppl. Most are probably students or single parents just trying to get by. Then again some dancers probably earn a lot more money doing so than a 9-5 and get a taste for that extra cash. You say it is morally questionable... but these are not based on general consensus this statement is based on your own morals. The question then is: Do you expect everyone to live their lives by YOUR morals and what makes Your morals morally correct?
I speak as a woman who loves hardcore porn... I have no disrespect for the stars of porn but am not a fan of back street shoddy companies promising the naieve, them glamour, riches and fame for starring in some B porn and them making nothing from it and ending up in the gutter. Look at Jenna Jameson... she is an international porn star who owns a multimillion dollar business. I wouldn't say that I personally would aspire to be like her and live her life but my god I wouldn't mind her money and she gets paid for doing something she obviously loves haha
If anyone wants to hire the Chippendales or wants help looking into this subject through 'site visits' ... purely for research purposes ofcourse :) please let me know and I will volunteer to go with haha xjx
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Posted: 5/7/2008 10:48:39 AM | Hello TIMEENOUGH
I am man and inspite of what they tell you here...... I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF YOU!
I do have very similar values but the world thinks a man should just enjoy himself. Or a woman. Would you date a man that blows money on strippers? Would you trust that man? Would you trust him when he says you are sexy? I mean right after coming home from the bar? Or would you not rather someone who has his head in the right way, does not regard much for slutty advertising, sexed-out movies, trashy woman, or all and everything based on intercourses. These relationships are so doomed, and these partners have nothing to offer because they do not respect them self, and therefore likely not you.
People reading this may think that I am nuts (and so are you), but when the time comes, no one would marry a woman or a man that think it is all about them and their shallow needs. Consider yourself a woman that I would LOVE to date (I am in a very trusting relationship and in love) if I was looking. I am not so sure about your buddies.
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Posted: 5/7/2008 2:34:00 PM | beautifuldancer400
It was a new user to just joined a week ago. My guess is it was a flammer/troll who got banned (and probably for good reason judging by the hateful post he just made) and quickly made another account. don't know why he targeted you specifically. | |
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