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Posted: 5/22/2008 9:29:31 AM | | i agree beautifuldancer, people do get so worked up. There are too many people out there trying to impose their morals on others.....that's why we have so many wars on this planet. Whatever happens between two consenting adults, as long as nobody gets seriously hurt and no kids are involved, is ok in my books. Live and let live. My wife and i live in our own kinky little world and are having a ball. Nobody has been hurt and we have many friends who are enjoying the same thing. It has been helping keep our relationship fresh since we started. We know it isn't for everyone but if anyone asks, we are quite willing to educate them but we never try to pressure anyone into it. | |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 1:47:13 PM | these women do erotic dance so they dont prostitute themselves, and not that i am into prostitution but this would be another gr8 forum dont you think, there r many people out there who rape men woman and children, a prostitue is a safe place for people to go there and get there sexual pleasures and fantasies fullfilled so as to stop hurting others unlawfully, prostitutes are also maostlly clean and more carefull thay normal people metting in bars and clubs or sites were they donot stop long enough to consider even use of condoms ect or who is giving them what. Let me ask you a ??? are you a virgin, not very sexually active, erotic dancers are simlpy beautiful women who need to make a living without being at risk. they r protected by the security at the clubs there is such a thing as a nooooo touch policy, yes they do lap dances but the men r told they r not too touch. thats when most men leave the erotic dance club and seek out a prostitute or even better head home and make luv to his partner lkie shes never had before. yesss you r a prude, dont forget there are also places where woman go too like collars and cuffs or male erotic dance clubs and trust meeee the women are a hell of a lot worse than the guys who go to erotic female dance clubs i say the women r a lot worse and have a excellent time and thoughlly enjoy every moment they r at a male review show, they gooooo crazy my advice try a male reviewshow and im sure you will
understand why guys go to see females rather than you and your girlfriends going to a female show who knows maybe you r all lesbians but am too pudish to addmitt it. join us weeeeee live in the bloody 21st cenutry get a life.    | |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 2:09:33 PM | oviouslly we have all forgotten that we r all born naked, we wear close due to a woanm and a man who disobeyed their creator and were thrown out naked of a woderful beautiful garden many 1000 s yrs ago. shammmmed. thats why we wera clothing shame,if there was a huge fat woman up there swingn and dancin that would not only be grose but funny but each too their own, dancing is dancing exotic or not, and there is not one damm thing wrong with it, you may as well say a married woman is a prostitute, husband works gets home dinner cooked bed time sexual intercourse wakes up, ohhhh honey i need $$$$ to go shopping for well shes a woan just imagine what she will by maybe a colur and haistyle, new soes a manicure, new clothes when she has so many she gets lost in her wadrobe is this also prostitution god get a life and grow up tis part of life and doesnt have to be it you dont want it to be, for gods sake woman let your hair down and has some good old fashion funnnn and laughs,     | |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 1:16:27 AM | As someone that paid her way through college as an exotic dancer, please allow me to clear a few things up for you. I do not see how you can compare dancing in a bar to screwing in an alley. The men that gave me money did so of their own free will and knew up front all they were allowed to do was LOOK!!! To be perfectly honest, a man stands a better chance getting laid in a convent than in a strip club. Granted, there are the few that will "go the extra mile" and they are the ones giving the rest of the dancers a bad name. I danced in college because it was the only way I could work as few days as possible, go to classes from 7 am to 4pm and still afford tuition, rent and the other bills that come with living on your own. I am in NO way ashamed of what I did because there is nothing wrong with me dancing naked and taking a guy's money when he is handing it over freely. I never dated customers and none of the dancers that I worked with did either. When we were dancing, we were at work. It was not a social gathering and we were there to make money. BOTTOM LINE. There was no such thing as a lap dance when I was in the industry. So I can't offer an opinion on that topic, other than to say I wouldn't have done it. But that doesn't mean I would condemn other girls that would as prostitutes.
I fail to see how you consider dancing naked as a sexual activity. I know I never had an orgasm from it and even though I got a "rise" out of a few customers, I seriously doubt any of the men watching me dance had one either. So, if by some chance being a stripper is a sexual activity, sign me back up because I missed something on the first round. So, to all the men out there that visit the establishments that offer exotic dancing, stick a dollar in her garter for me. For all the wives of these men, Quit your complaining, because there is no telling how many times a "stripper" has gotten you laid when you husband got home from a night out with the guys. | |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 3:41:02 AM |
The question is, was I wrong? Im not a prude
Yes, you were wrong. And Yes, you do sound like an IGNORANT prude. | |
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Posted: 6/23/2008 2:45:05 PM | | Morticia...well stated. Thank you for that input. Now we are getting the facts straight from the horse's mouth (my apologies Morticia..you are more beautiful than that). | |
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Posted: 6/23/2008 5:32:01 PM | You were wrong, my friend.
Sexual activity and dancing, even when naked, are NOT the same thing. Therefore, being a dancer and receiving money for it is not prostitution.
Many prostitutes are very lovely women that would sooner vote for George Bush's third term than accept money for sex. I've been to many strip joints, and I've met many lovely ladies. I even dated a couple of them.
These girls in general are not whores. Many of them are simply trying to earn money to improve themselves. Yes, there are exceptions. I've had girls offer sex in exchange for money in such places, but my morbid fear of disease coupled with the fact that prostitution money is used to finance other illegal actitivies prevents me from ever accepting an offer. These situations are quite rare though (the offers, not the resusal). You should've gone and had a good time, man : ) It's just a little dance. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 1:54:33 PM | No exotic dancing is not prostitution... but I saw something in here I wanted to respond to...
To be perfectly honest, a man stands a better chance getting laid in a convent than in a strip club.
Gotta call BS on this one, morticia. The average nun is more intelligent than the average dancer. Sure, there are some dancers that work through college for a degree (and many more than just claim that) but a man with the right approach and confidence will do fine in any strip club.
I'm not claiming dancers are prostitutes but most of those girls are fun-loving and more than willing to let a guy with a good game lead her around and give it up.
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There was no such thing as a lap dance when I was in the industry.
How old are you and are you SURE you were in the same industry?!
And lastly,
I fail to see how you consider dancing naked as a sexual activity...So, if by some chance being a stripper is a sexual activity, sign me back up because I missed something on the first round.
Morticia, stripping is all about sexuality! Do you think those girls would make the same amount of money if they were selling Bible is bell-bottoms and button-downs? They are selling sex! sex! sex! The men don't come in to the club for the $5 steak, I can assure you. They wanna see women naked! They want to be aroused sexually!
The act of stripping itself is not a sex act, but an act of sexuality. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 1:57:22 PM | | a stripper,or exotic dancer is just dancing,if shes not having an actual sexual encounter then no its not prostitution. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 2:12:08 PM | I was a plus sized stripper put my self through nursing school and I am appauled that everyone thinks because your a stripper your a ho..
So untrue some yes but I never took a client for sex or even a date thats very drity and unprofessiona./ | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 2:37:04 PM | in my opinion it is a form of prostitution.they are selling their dignity and self respect for money,in exchange for someone elses sexual pleasure.
why are so many strippers and prostitues addicted to drugs?
because they have to numb themselves to the shame of what they do for money.
come on people,wake the frick up.our society has become nothing but a bunch of animals,not because women whore themselves,but because we all seem to think it's alright now. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 3:27:54 PM | Ya either like watching a woman dance and strip...................or ya don´t.........Period!!
I would have thought it best to tell your friend to shut up and change the subject.......
everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Now about you being a prude.........well, let me just say that their ain´t nothing hotter than some fine lookin female shakin what her mama gave her.............. And getting paid!!!!!!!!
And since when is dancing a sexual activity?????? Am I missing out on something good here?????? I´m always late for everything......... | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 3:49:43 PM | ref. post 213
Selling their dignitiy and self respect?????????
Have you seen the men crawling at their feet throwing money at them??????????????
And that last paragraph seems a like a hoochie bar in some bad part of town.......
Ladies...................Ya´ll get Paid, and stay ahead of the game!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 5:49:59 AM | I've only been to a strip club once, and truth be told I didn't really enjoy it. I was "abducted" by my girlfriend at the time for my birthday. Of course, she didn't have any money, so I had to drive, I had to pay our cover, and the ferry charge (we went out of town)... Happy birthday, right? Anyways, I just didn't really see the point, I'd much rather get a sexy dance from my girlfriend, who I'll be sleeping with later.
Back on topic though, it is very clear to me, and should be to pretty much everyone, that stripping and prostitution are legally not the same thing. I don't even think that was what the original poster was trying to ask.
What is the difference between a prostitute, and just an ordinary girl who expects her boyfriend to pay for dinner? Those who work making pornographic videos are getting paid to have sex, why are they not prostitutes? Strippers are getting paid for their sexuality, all of these things, while not identical, fit into the same category of activities: sexuality for money. Why then, is prostitution illegal, and none of the others are? Actually, I worded that wrong. Why are the others illegal, but prostitution isn't? The best I can come up with is that prostitution is generally related to drugs, but it shouldn't be hard to regulate whore houses and keep the drugs out, right?
I'm actually in favor of legalizing prostitution, even though it is something that holds no appeal to me at all (if you recall my stripper story, same thing here). I do, however, think that in essence they are the same thing, and I don't understand why y'all are getting so worked up about it.
Oh, and just because I'm not interested in these kinds of things (AKA a prude), that doesn't mean that my world is any smaller than yours. Stop all the hate. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 6:08:23 AM | | I wouldn't say it's prostitution but it's pretty near to it.....many owners are shady and there are lot of drugs involved from what I've heard from a few of my friends who have danced.....just a bad scene.....and the women who aren't in it for drugs or some sort of thrill.....are there to make money and ends meet (kinda sad really) I won't put a woman down for doing it....who are we to say how someone makes a living....we aren't their bills and bills need to be paid right? I've been once and found strip joints are really not my kind of place. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 6:20:28 AM | Dancing is not sex. Therefore, while it is certainly a SEXUALIZED activity, it is not "sexual activity."
Now... they're prostitutes if they're getting the clients to pay for sex.
In most places in the United States (Outside of certain areas of Nevada) prostitution is a crime. Most places have strip clubs. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 6:51:47 AM | Stripping is not the type of job I would want for myself, but it is far from being categorized as prostitution!!!
Do you have any idea what some of those girls have to deal with just to make money to survive?? Many of them use the money to put themselves through school or provide for families. Dancers are NOT all sl*ts who just sleep with the people they dance for. Maybe you should go to a nice, respectable strip club and see what it is all about before passing judgement on something you obviously know nothing about. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 7:06:03 AM | | Dancing is not prostitution. However, most dancers are prostitutes at least from time to time. They will deny it until death as will thier customers but that's the way it is. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 7:23:38 AM | OP, while i understand the sentiment of your reasoning, your definition of prostitution is a bit too broad. prostitution by definition applies to trading sexual services for money. strip clubs generally have very strict rules restricting physical contact with the girls, so despite selling the view of their goods, they aren't selling sexual services. sure prostitutes and strippers both use their bodies as a commodity, but in very different ways.
then there's the grey area of porn...by the definition of sex in exchange for money, i suppose you could make an argument for labeling it as prostitution. except in the case of porn it's the magazine/film production company paying the tab rather than a "john". of course the law doesn't look at it that way, so from a purely legal perspective it's not prostitution. but based on your individual viewpoint it could potentially be debated.
the reality is, sex has always been marketed as a commodity...think of girls in bikinis sprawled out on the hood of a hot new sports car, the half-naked model with overflowing cleavage selling perfume, or the skin-showing pics of half the PoF members on this site (heck my profile pic shows cleavage too, so i'm just as guilty of it). quite simply, sex (and the implication of sex) sells. i doubt that will ever change. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 8:59:06 AM | Call it what you will. The following testimony demonstrates what it's really like, and those who will deny this either are in denial, have self-serving interests, and/or are just plain ignorant and/or have not yet been exposed to the harsh realities of the business.
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PROPONENT TESTIMONY
S.B. 251
Ohio Senate Judiciary Committee on Civil Justice
December 3, 2002
Sexually Oriented Businesses
An Insider’s View
by
David Sherman
Former Midwest Manager of Déjà Vu
INTRODUCTION
Chairman Jacobson and Members of the Committee, my name is David Sherman. As a former Midwest manager
of Déjà Vu strip bars, I believe I can knowledgably talk about the necessity of this legislation.
Having been involved in the adult entertainment industry for 14 years, I’m very aware of the consequences that
this business can have on all involved. I held every position from doorman to corporate regional director and ran
those businesses throughout the mid-west, southwest, west coast, and Florida. Much of the activity of the adult
entertainment industry is illegal and criminal. In addition, there are tremendous negative effects on entertainers,
communities, local businesses as well as families.
CRIME IS COMMONPLACE
The following are some of my personal experiences with the adult entertainment industry. What I will share with
you today are the most frequent, as well extreme, cases of criminal activity I have witnessed in sex clubs over the
years.
1) The most frequent crime is tax evasion and/or fraud. I would say 80% of people involved in adult
entertainment at almost every level are guilty of this. This is a cash flow business, and most people are not
employees but independent contractors. Most customers, for obvious reasons, do not want receipts. Often
managers and owners will tell entertainers how to obtain welfare for their children while dancing, so welfare fraud
is also rampant.
2) Drug use and drug dealing are another very common crime. I would say 90% of entertainers use one drug or
another or several. This is based on 14 years and thousands of entertainers I’ve known, met, or worked with.
About 40% of those 90% are selling drugs to other entertainers, but even worse, I have witnessed owners giving
drugs to managers to sell to the entertainers.
3) Prostitution regularly takes place. About 35% of girls I’ve met are engaged in prostitution of one form or
another, whether it’s meeting customers outside of the club or using the V.I.P. rooms as a place to fondle the
client or give better dances. In my experience, the V.I.P. room in every club is used every day for this. In fact, in
one instance the cleaning company found 15 used condoms in one. Doormen and managers almost never monitor
V.I.P. rooms so as not to intimidate the customers so they will spend more money.
4) Underage entertainers are often employed. If an I.D. is needed, managers will often help the girl obtain a
fake I.D. or show her how to get one rather than not hire an underage girl. The I.D. is often not an issue since if a
girl looks of age her I.D. is rarely even checked. Also, she only uses a stage name so unless a club is raided or a
family member or friend sees her, she is never caught.
5) Entertainers conspire with clients to commit other crimes. Often entertainers using stage names are
involved in other criminal activity outside of the club: drug dealing, prostitution, credit card fraud, computer theft,
are only a few I’ve seen. Managers and owners often teach the girls how to skirt the law in very subtle ways in
order to do things other clubs are not doing and increase customer count and, in turn, profits. Many times the
entertainers are not asked, but required, to break the law by lap dancing or touching themselves or customers. This
may also include girl-on-girl shows on stage simulating sex acts. Laws against these activities are continually
broken, lowering community standards to the point where law enforcement officers and the judicial system no
longer look at it like a crime but merely the way the business is run.
6) Preferred treatment for city employees such as police, fire department, building and zoning inspectors. They
are often given free admission, free drinks and lap dances. In this case, the club pays the girl in order to have
allies within each department. A perfect example is the Chief Building Inspector in one city allowed hidden V.I.P.
rooms as well as illegal remodeling without permits. In turn, the owners wined, dined, and set him up on dates
using their limo. Another example was a fire chief using a club to sell hundreds of pounds of marijuana,
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packaging it after the club was closed. In turn he would help keep the police away from the club. Corruption of
city officials in small municipalities is very easily accomplished and frequently done. Contributions and donations
are often given under a different corporate name and cash gifts are used. This person’s job is to now roadblock
any new legislation by having well known legal groups say the pending legislation is unconstitutional, scaring
other officials away from it saying the city will be sued, or adding language making it unconstitutional and letting
it pass knowing it cannot be enforced.
7) After-hour parties, including a few select customers, managers, employees, owners, and entertainers, are also
frequent in many clubs. Alcohol and drugs are widespread at these parties. Sometimes they get out of hand to the
point the club may not even open on time the next day. I recall one incident where the owner made a trip to
Florida, coming back with 10,000 pills of Ecstasy or MDA and kept the party going for two days. He then sold
the rest slowly to the entertainers and club employees.
8) On several occasions, I’ve witnessed counterfeit money being laundered through clubs. Being almost an all
cash business, this was easy to do using the bills as change or pay since many employees are paid under the table.
9) Money laundering is also done frequently in clubs. It is a cash flow business and ringing up extra drinks or
door charges is very easily done. In fact, one gentleman was laundering his drug sales money through his club
when he got caught selling cocaine.
10) In my experience, approximately 80% of all club owners are convicted felons . They may have other
people or corporations owning the business, but you can bet the real owner, 80% of the time, is a felon. Licensing
will help curb so much of this by making all these people have a history rather than just a fake name and contract.
It will keep the ones that are convicted from just going down the street to commit the same crime a block away.
LOBBYING TO AVOID RESTRICTIONS
Adult entertainment businesses use lobbying as a key to keeping new ordinances or legislation from being passed.
This plays a very important role in allowing them to run these businesses the way THEY want to.
Large turnouts by entertainers, owners, owners reps, as well as attorneys, law students and even the A.C.L.U. at
times are used to intimidate those in local government and to keep the new legislation from passing by making the
government body think that masses have formed on their own when in actuality they have been pulled together by
a team of people paid to do just that.
Another thing not touched on is that in every club in the state where the new legislation is being considered there
are signature cards for the patrons to sign as well as information giving times and locations of hearings.
In fact, one company I worked for had this down to a fine art. Every manager was required to attend all city
council meetings in order to stay on top of any new legislation being proposed. They then were to buy the
minutes from the meeting and fax or send them to the corporate office. If any new legislation was proposed, that
information went to the person who was in charge of lobbying and to the corporate attorney.
Even if the proposed legislation involved a city, town or state in which the adult business had no entities, the club
attorneys would still come out in full force to defeat it because it may have an adverse effect on them at a later
time.
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Another tactic used so frequently is to bring in big gun attorneys from elsewhere to intimidate and sue as well as
tie up in court the passed ordinance for as long as possible or until it ran the city or township out of funding.
These businesses have plenty to spend on staying open and running the way THEY want to. From time to time
the company would use a local attorney, coaching him and making him file the things they needed in order to
make it look as though they were a local business.
In regard to the lobbying, the attorney, the funding as well as lawsuits, the adult businesses seem to somehow
utilize the press to their advantage. The press simply didn’t deal with the real issues in most cases.
THE MANAGER’S ROLE
As far as female employees in adult entertainment nightclubs, everyone you hire you treat as a potential dancer. It
really doesn’t matter if she’s hired as a waitress, hostess, or even a bartender.
First, you must make the girl feel at home in an environment that is so abnormal that most people have to be made
comfortable. In fact, you could almost say they have to be “hardened’ to the club life. This is easily
accomplished by working there as many hours as possible and by having all of the staff treat them as if they were
long lost friends. It’s important for the management to do this also.
Second, after a few weeks, because the girl is now your friend, as a manager you bring up how short you are on
girls that night or how short the amateur contestants are. You ask them to please help, that they don’t need to take
their clothes off, but the club just needs an extra body. Usually, they happily agree to do this. You then have
them change into dancing attire, usually a skimpy dress, a teddy, g-string or a t-bar (which is a very small pair of
panties). Often, the girls, having become used to the environment and having seen nudity daily are intoxicated
with the sense of being on stage and are lured out of their clothing by the other girls, customers, and promises of
large tips.
Now, at this point, the manager’s job just starts. But, if the girl has not taken her clothes off, the manager again
has to start in on her about needing more help on the floor. Again, most of the girls will agree to help the
manager out. At this time, you tell them that things are not that busy, and you take them out for dinner, “my
treat.” Of course, the club always writes this off! So, you go out, have some drinks and small talk with the girl.
Returning to the club she now believes that you’re good friends, plus she is under the influence of alcohol. At this
point, she easily disrobes at the customer’s request, with the other girls welcoming a new dancer into their ranks.
The experienced dancers will then go on about how beautiful she is and how much money she’ll make.
Of course, even now, she still might have not disrobed. But, by this point, you are her friend and can make her
feel guilty about not helping out more and ask her to please disrobe, as without her, you’ll not make much money
that night. She is needed. People who need her and customers who tell her how beautiful she is surround her.
She now experiences a variety of emotions and, being human, needs to be needed. With this emotion fulfilled,
she finds herself wanting to be complemented, which she is, and she wants to make money, which she can. You
then play on the “what more can a girl want?” and the subject of self-worth never really comes up.
At this point, if she still has not disrobed, you let her know you no longer need her for her position, but dancing is
open if she wishes to still work at the club. This does not work unless she has incurred debts and needs the
money, or she actually enjoyed the experience and doesn’t want to lose her new friends. If she stays, the manager
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must start training her to be a professional. This means changing almost everything about her including her
personality; she must now be a passive/aggressive if she is to survive. This means that she needs to learn to say
whatever it takes to make money. She can never talk about her personal life to anyone as clients can hear this.
What you try to do is get the girls programmed to have regular customers. A regular customer is a customer who
believes that this girl actually cares for him, and now his fantasy world is complete. He comes in on a regular
basis and she invites him back on certain days and times as not to interfere with other regular customers. This is
usually set for the club’s slow times because when it’s busy she can make money without her regular clientele. Of
course, with all of these girls having regular clients, the club is guaranteed a steady income and solid revenues.
The club regulars are usually family men looking for an escape from the real world, and the girls are taught to
prey upon them.
Mandatory meetings are set for all the girls. This time is really used for mostly programming of the girls and
getting into their heads. You again let them know what you want and motivate them by whatever it takes. Soon
the new dancer starts running around with the more hardened and seasoned girls, and they realize how much
easier this job is being drunk, high or, more often than not, both. By now she’s working until 2 am in the
morning, staying out all night partying after work, and then grabbing a breakfast with the girls. They wake up, go
to work, and the cycle starts all over.
They have no time to go to the post office, the dentist, or any other “normal” things. They are deep into the club
scene and on the road to hard times and even self-destruction. At this point, school, family, and friends have
faded into a world that no longer exists for them.
As a manager, at this point, anything you say, ask or demand of the girl will gladly be done because the club is
now their home. The girls don’t realize this is their only world, and the club manager now has total control over
what’s going on in their lives. The girls will even put up with degradation, verbal and emotional abuse and
everything else the manager wants to do.
At this time the girl may feel fed up and leave, going to a new club thinking to herself that she finally made a
decision on her own and things will be better. But she is really just fooling herself. The manager at the new club
does the same things except now she has no friends to talk to and the manager knows that most of the time she
cannot return to the old club so he abuses her even worse than the first manager. Of course, she then drinks more
and gets high more than ever hoping it will go away. It will only get worse for her now.
THE DANCER’S EXPERIENCE
Right from the start, drug and alcohol use is rampant. The dancers call it “partying” but what they don’t realize is
that they are actually medicating themselves in order to do the work they do. The abortion rate is extremely high
due to the fact that they could never take the chance on flawing the body from carrying a child. On top of this, the
dancers also feel that they have no way to support the baby without dancing, and can’t quit to have it. Basically,
they are caught in a very real, painful catch-22.
The girls, if they have never danced, are extremely against it and most of the times are hired as waitresses, even
though waitresses are not needed. This makes the atmosphere become part of their life. At this point, they see it as
a job, not as stripping and easily are converted to dancing. Once dancing, they get used to being objectified. It
becomes as important to them to hear how beautiful they are 200 times a day as it is the money they make from
the dancing itself.
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Between the use of drugs to medicate themselves to do what they do, and after hearing how beautiful they are all
the time, they soon develop what I call “BDA” - Basic Dancer Attitude.“ This is when the dancer thinks that no
matter what friends, children, husband and families think about them, they can all be replaced because all of the
patrons around them find them attractive, beautiful and idolized. All that was close, in terms of family and friends
can be replaced. Now they are truly caught in the adult scene. With friends and family gone from their lives, they
solely exist in this dark subculture of sex, drugs, alcohol and prostitution. All of this perverse living, to the
dancer, is now just part of their normal lifestyle.
After a couple of years at this level, they then realize they are getting older and attempt to fit back into society.
They try boyfriends, school or really anything to cling to that is “normal.” Realizing that they cannot live in both
worlds, they return to the subculture of the adult business, actually despising the real world. This leads to more
dependency on drugs and alcohol, which now makes them 100% lost to this life. The dancers will continue living
like this until they realize they can no longer stay at their “current level,” and keep making money and getting the
compliments. Once they realize this, they begin to master more perverse things to make cash to make up from
fading looks and dancer burnout.
The cycle then becomes even more vicious, with depression, drugs, alcohol and body mutilation to stay thin.
Finally, they realize they can no longer keep up with the new and younger girls and leave, going to one of five
places.
1. They go to a very filthy, dirty nasty club that’s full of girls in their position. Here they perform and do
some of the most vile and filthy acts you can imagine to make money.
2. Prostitution - meeting customers outside of the club, their job now becomes a place for them to meet new
“clients.”
3. Marriage – they’ll do this just to be able to still survive. But, the addiction to drugs and alcohol normally
shatters and destroys these relationships.
4. Some actually do break away and go to school to become productive citizens. But, this frequency is
around 1 of 50.
5. They become societies throwaway people - used up, degraded, abused and even sold by the people who
own these establishments.
Sadly, these young ladies over time, little by little, become manipulated, controlled and finally destroyed by a
world that our communities have closed their eyes to. It has been just as much our fault as theirs for letting these
places do this to our children, daughters, nieces, granddaughters, and yes, even mothers. For they were every bit
as innocent as we.
I could easily fill an entire book with what I’ve observed in the adult pornography industry. I’ve seen countless
lives shattered and unbelievable heartache. You would be surprised at the amount of ”it can’t happen to me” or “I
won’t be like that” that I have heard. These experiences have caused me to now work to educate the public as to
what goes on in these clubs and to find ways to stop the exploitation of the women in this industry.
David Sherman
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 8/4/2008 9:24:37 AM | | If the above post is true, it's because of the stigma and guilt that our sexually unaware and repressed society has forced on people who choose stripping as an occupation. If it wasn't demonized and condemned by narrow minded people and sexually insecure women, strippers wouldn't feel ashamed and more upstanding business people would be controlling the industry. All that long winded speech does is prove a very obvious point as far as I can see. | |
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| Is exotic dancing prostitution?
Posted: 8/4/2008 9:38:09 AM | | It does prove a point. The mentality of a woman who gets into the stripping profession is the same as the woman who gets into prostitution. You can deny it, blame it on society, her parents or whatever but it doesn't change anything. There are certain women who know how to manipulate men and will do what it takes to make easy money. | |
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