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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 4/29/2008 8:56:14 AM | Royalpain, I wasn't talking about My child or Your children....I was speaking about young people in general. My daughter is very active in the field of mental health awareness....and I am a long time political activist in the city where I live and have a room full of citations, awards, and certificates to prove it.
Now tell me that Paris Hilton isn't vapid?????? And look at all the advantages that she had!!!!
But I do understand what you said about "inadequate parenting".....and lots of people are guilty of that...whether they're poor black people or rich white folks! | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 4/30/2008 5:45:21 AM | Lost? I don't see it lost at all. Half of my job is being an advocate for low income housing residents and the seniors in the county I live in. "Power of the people" is still out there.. and hasn't gotten lost.. just unshuffle "your" priorities.. and go out and find it. I just had a 20 something college student knock on my door last night.. asking me to sign a petition for better and less expensive health care.. for all US citizens. I asked.. for the pen. He gave me.. permanent marker.
There is no more "outrageous" behavior such as public nudity (don't you also remember the dozens and dozens of arrests made during that time?) "Free" sex.. we later found out was anything but free.. and the price that was paid for such promiscuous behavior were the devistating and the incurable diseases (herpes.. hepatitis).. or death (AIDS).
Pot was the gateway drug that led to such things as brain-damaging drugs.. incurable addictions.. and.. death.
Doesn't anyone also remember this as a time of one of the worst case scenarios for war? A president being assassinated.. another being impeached? The cold war with Russia? The Wall in Germany being intact? The gas lines of the 70's? The list goes on and on.
As far as the dreams? It's nice to go back and visit allllll the good things.. but.. it's more important to remember allllll of the parts as they truly existed (you do remember.. the reality of it ALL?).. the good with the bad.. as they are history.. and history.. repeats itself! JMO | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 4/30/2008 6:08:12 AM | redarcangel, yes, pot was a gateway drug .... leading to brain-damaging drugs, incurable addictions and drinking BEER! No offense, pot is pretty harmless. If the flow of pot hadn't been stopped, there probably wouldnt have been the cocaine in the 80's and the crack in the 90's, which are, indeed, harmful.
AIDS, hepatitis, etc. came much later and those were exacerbated by intravenous drug use.
As far as wars go, were in a bit of a pinch now, I'd say.
I do remember the reality of it all, and except for some of what the government was trying to pull on us, they were great times.  | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 4/30/2008 6:48:13 AM | "pot is pretty harmless."
Are you serious???? With twice the amount of tar and nicotene then tobacco? How many have started out on "harmless" pot and become addicted to cocaine and heroin in the 60's and 70's. Crack was a new and different way to "use" cocaine in the 80's (not the 90's). How many died of heroin overdoses in the 60's and 70's? I also recall.. a very nasty rather high profile "accident" where the driver of the train was charged with homocide after testing positive for marijuana. Yes.. even BEER is an addivtive drug that's deadly.. as in.. cirrhosis of the liver? The flow of pot is still ample in my neck of the woods.. as the drug busts persist here.
"AIDS, hepatitis, etc. came much later and those were exacerbated by intravenous drug use."
You mean.. the symptoms that led to celebratory-status in death came later. It was first considered a "gay man's" disease.. and became highly "pronounced" in 1983 (therefor.. it was around in the 70's).. through.. sex.. not drugs. Hepatitis is also not only gotten from a needle.. but.. through sex as well.. and h*ll.. either one could've been from blood transfusions (in the late 70's) or any tainted blood in a cut.. even now. Let's not candy-coat here.
"As far as wars go, were in a bit of a pinch now, I'd say."
Hmmm.. I do believe.. yes.. I did say.. history.. repeats itself! | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 4/30/2008 2:38:00 PM | Give me a break, millions and millions of people smoked pot and still do smoke pot. I dont, but I did for 20 odd years or so, I chose it over alcohol .... I dont know a single person who had any interest in cocaine and my good, heroin? So you are trying to sell the idea that pot leads to heroin?
1983 is long past the days of acid rock and hippies. Sorry.
Im not sure what youre selling here, but if you need to live in a police state, I am sure there are guys advertising here that would suit your authoritarian needs. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 4/30/2008 2:47:06 PM | | In a word, NO, I don't miss those days. Yes I had some real good times but was a teenager then and after I grew up a few years in the Navy I went back and saw old friends. They were still the same as high school, working to blow thier money on the weekends. No glad grew up and out of those fog filled days. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 4/30/2008 4:36:46 PM | When I was six years old I was allowed to venture out alone into the neighboring field during the day to explore, run, have fun. When I was seven I could go into the field alone at night to catch fireflies with glass jars. When I was eight I could ride my bike all over town. When I was ten, I started mowing the neighborhood lawns for money. I bought a wooden motorboat for twenty-five dollars. There were holes in the planks. I used power tools to fix them.
When I was eleven, me and my pals took the boat out to Half Way Rock, which is the last bit of land until Europe. I remember the swells were ten feet high. If I got the boat going fast enough, I could skip it over the tops of the swells. Once, I missed and came down hard. My friend flew up in the air, then smashed into the windshield and broke his ribs. We took him home after going over to Jewels Island to explore the beach (we'd heard you could find real jewels on the beach but we never found any). His mother wasn't pissed about the fact that we did not come right in after his son got hurt. "Boys will be boys," I think she said.
One day the national news came to our small town. Something big had happened. This guy in our school - one of the Big Kids - had switched places with his older brother and gone to Vietnam. Apparently his older brother refused to go back to war. He’d gone to the beach, instead. So his younger brother, to keep his older brother out of jail, went in his place. He got found out, eventually. My father said the older brother was a “Pinko.” My father thought lots of people were Pinkos, back then.
We built forts in the woods and caught frogs in the brook. We organized our own baseball games. We had a club - no girls allowed. Nobody took offense that we excluded girls.
When I was fourteen I stole a pack of smokes from my father's car. Me and my pals smoked them down by the railroad tracks, then gulped mouthfuls of Italian salad dressing so no one would smell the cigarettes on our breath.
We went to the Carnival at the Cumberland Fair. They had a girly show in a tent. I think it cost a buck to see the girls. It was obvious we were all fourteen; but the Carney didn't care - he let us in. The girls were not attractive but they did remove all their clothes. There were probably twenty guys in there, watching. They all laughed when one of the girls took my friend's glasses and shoved them up her, um. . . well, you know.
At fifteen I started working alone - nights - at the gas-station down the street. I saved for a car and when I got my license at 16, I bought one - 1972 Mustang. I got a girl-friend soon after that. We all drank beer and went to parties. My best friend started smoking pot, but I stayed away from it. He got busted but the cops just took his weed and sent him home.
I wasn't much of a student. Still, I tried best I could. One day a friend asked if I'd finished my story for creative writing class. I hadn't - I'd forgotten about it. So I wrote one up in the ten minutes before class. It was bad. The story was about a guy who steals lobsters from traps. The lobstermen catch him and they sink his boat and toss him in. A shark gets him. My grade was: A/F. “What the hell? “
The A was for writing and the F for content - to violent. "You can't do that," I told my teacher.
"Write a nice story and you'll get an A," she said.
I thought about it, but just couldn't do it. I made the next story just a bit worse than the last.
A/F
Went like that all semester. For the final assignment we were to write ten typed pages (on a typewriter). Teacher called me after class. "If you write a nice story," she said, "You'll get an A for the semester - I won‘t count any of those awful stories you wrote against your grade."
I got to writing. The story started nice - about a pleasant little town. About half-way through, this gang of teens come in and start brutalizing the townsfolk. The townsfolk hires a new sheriff. The sheriff was some sort of machine that dispatches of the gang and sends the bodies to a meet grinder. In the end, the townsfolk have a cookout - hamburger.
I wonder what would happen to a kid if they turned in a class assignment like that, today.
Edit: Um, sorry. Just started writing and couldn't stop. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 4/30/2008 5:51:02 PM | Sorry.. but.. I'm recently taken. 
I guess then I could say.. maybe your over-optimistic views keeps you in here.. still looking.
So much for the theory that I can't get a "decent AND intelligent" man.
What I've stated is scientifically proven fact.. and.. so long as "street-drugs" are illegal.. that makes it a matter for the police. Just because I've put honest holes of darkness in your dreams of bright and light.. doesn't make me an authoritarian. Name calling.. at your age? It just means I'm smart.
"1983 is long past the days of acid rock and hippies. Sorry."
You mention "acid" rock.. and yet.. don't get the concept? Hello?! Acid! Not beer or pot rock. Sheesh! Just a tad "dazed and confused" here?
If people were already dying from an unknown disease by 1983.. that disease then being given a name (AIDS) with scientists still unaware of it's true origins and nature.. I think it's safe to presume.. it was around throughout the latter years of the 70's.. at least. I hadn't even mentioned the hpv (virus) that causes some forms of cancer in a womans cervix (and can be very deadly).. or genital warts. Just because science/technology advances can now determine a more exact cause.. doesn't mean the disease (STD's) didn't pre-exist. This is one disease that may have very well been around for at least.. at least a half a century.
I work teaching kids/teens anti-drug/alcohol (which has a chemical compound and therefor.. is a drug) as well as set-up drug/alcohol (pardon the redundancy) "free" programs in the low-income housing projects (project kids) in my county.
I guess you never heard of Jimi Hendrix.. Janis Joplin then.. just to name a few of the.. late great graduates of pot.
I believe we all have known pot-heads from the 60's and 70's.. and more often then not.. these same pot-heads then DID turn to "using" other more powerful drugs. To consider any "mind-altering" chemical not dangerous.. is unintelligent at best. Any chemical compound that gives one a state of euphoria (a high.. ergo.. mind altering) is destructive to the cells of the brain. Lighting a small fire 2 to 3 inches from your face.. breathing smoke into your lungs (and not that all pot was ever claimed to be insecticide free either.. mind you) certainly can't ever be a good thing. Most of my old.. pot-smoking friends have either died from lung cancer.. car accidents.. accidental fires.. or those that have managed to "survive" thus far.. have been through re-hab more times than I can count.
You mention the "power of the people" fighting the governmental injustices. Kudos to those that did.. and survived.. as I also remember Kent.
Mississippi.. and the fight for racial equality wasn't even left undaunted.. with the deaths of Martin Luther King and Malcom X. Radicals.. or just men? I happen to think of them as just in their cause for wanting peaceful demonstrations. Both memories of good.. and bad.
If my take on the 60's and 70's upsets you.. maybe because I bring to this forum a truth you'd rather not be reminded of.. rather than the "euphoria" of a dream state.
OP.. seeing the world.. even the past (including the 60's and 70's).. through rose colored glasses.. is not a good way to show any of the up-coming generations that the world can hopefully live in some sort of peaceful balance. You seem to be an optimist.. I am not a pessamist.. but a realist. For all the good of the 60's and 70's.. there was a lot of bad. Balance my good OP! There was balance!
And.. I won't stoop to the level of name-calling. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 4/30/2008 5:53:36 PM | Message: bcsofnc57 ..........."I think our generation (people 41-61) is the one that managed to destroy everything that was once good about life. Meeting, loving, starting a family, having children."
Actually, the cost of housing in relation to income then was much, much better for a buyer than it is now.
I remember being 3-13, too. If you were a young man, you were drafted unless you could afford to be in college and get an S-2 deferment, and you went to Viet Nam, 6,000 miles away, because your government told you to ....... and because something called a "military-industrial complex" associated with your government told them to .... and if you protested risking your young life for them you went to jail or got your head bashed in by a cop.
If you were a woman and married, your husband could beat you and rape you as often as he wished, there were no laws against such domestic disturbances, and a woman wearing sunglasses usually meant she had a shiner. A woman could teach, or be a nurse or be a secretary ....that was about it ... and marrying meant leaving work, sometimes as in the case of female teachers, by law. And in marriage, forbidden by societal norms, you were completely dependant on your husband financially. Completely.
If you were black, you washed dishes, were a janitor, served as a maid, and as I observed when I was a very young boy pretty much all the lowest jobs were the ones for these people that my people referred to as "the s". You did " work" and you lived n impoverished areas, went to lousy schools because you were ...well, you were just a "" and thats the way it was.
Do you miss those days, hon? Did my generation ruin it for ya?
My generation changed all that, in the space of ten years somewhere between 1965-75 we changed America ..........and whether it is good or bad, depending on which ghetto or which house on the white hill you sit in ....it's permanant.
You, though, you you have the freedom to do just about anything you want
You make it sound like the majority of men were beating and raping their wives and nothing could be farther from the truth. Not to mention if your husband has to rape you, isn't it about time for a divorce? Yes people got divorced in the 60's and even the 50's. My grandmother divorced my grandfather in 1955. She was just fine without him. She re-married to a great guy in 1958 and they were happily together until she died.
Don't know how to break the news to you, laws my have changed(not so much in the south) but there are still stupid women that will stay with husbands that beat them.
Yes I miss the days when a man and a woman married for love , they felt that marriage was the start of a family. That both understood that what the woman was doing at home was just as important(if not more so) than what the man was doing by earning the money. That's how I grew up, my dad went to work, my mom stayed home with us. Truly good days. Relaxed happy parents with time for us, and time for each other. Now, there isn't time for anything!!! People are more concerned with jobs than they are their family and children.
Yes everyone should have equal rights, but it is horrible that the most important part of our society is at risk of death, the family.
As to women leaving work when they married, who knows maybe that was better than the way it is now. At one time people could live on one income, but since so many women are working, oddly enough it is hard to live, even with two people working.
I really do not have the freedom to have the kind of life I want, as to have that kind of life I will have to find at least one other person that feels the same way about life as I do. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/1/2008 8:14:22 AM | | No, I don't recall the 60's and 70's. My short term memory isn't what it used to be. I loved the 40's though. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/1/2008 2:48:37 PM | Yes, there WERE bad times in the 1960's and 1970's, but from an African-American's viewpoint, which is the ONLY way I can look at things, they were damn sure better for my people on most accounts than the 1940's and 1950's! And I've verified this with relatives who are now in their 70's and 80's, and STILL African-American! | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/1/2008 4:12:51 PM | | I don't know if I miss the 60's and 70's per se. What I really miss are the simple times. While I love technology and what it supposedly can do for us, I also loathe it. It seems the human race is on an endless quest of searching for info. We're so busy "consuming", and it's not just material crap. We forget to stop and smell the roses, we forget to slow down. We do need to stop comparing ourselves with the "Joneses" and enjoy what we do have. We need more laughter in our lives and less cynicism, hate, and anger. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/1/2008 4:34:19 PM | I remember my grandfather telling me how much he missed the 20s and 30s.
And my parents telling me how much they missed the 40s and 50s.
And I'm sure my kids will tell me how much they missed the 80s and 90s.
And so it goes from one generation to another.
Always missing the "good ole days."
As another poster said.
I enjoy today for today. My lifestyle is just as much fun as my lifestyle was back then.
I find it a shame that people prefer to live in the past than enjoy the present.
I might add that while your reliving the past today is passing you by. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/1/2008 4:39:48 PM | Interesting concept, Ray. I remember my grandparents telling me how difficult it was to get through the 20's and 30's and the struggles they had keeping a family going through the depression. I remember my father's horror stories of his war years. And I've just posted in this thread that the 60's, although magical at times, had a whole other side that was not quite so nice. I guess we really do become a product of our genetics, don't we ??
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/1/2008 7:03:05 PM | """""Most of my old.. pot-smoking friends have either died from lung cancer.. car accidents.. accidental fires.. or those that have managed to "survive" thus far.. have been through re-hab more times than I can count."""
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/1/2008 9:59:49 PM | I was raised by very young and 'with it' parents during those years. I grew up being taken to small, unknown venues to listen to a very young Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, among others. My mother happily sent me off to attend Woodstock (with my toothbrush....geesh, what was she thinking? I had just finished 8th grade!!) I saw and experienced a lot during those years.
I learned to be an individual and care for things of importance, that seem to be lost in today's world. Yeah, it was the time, for us. And that time keeps changing as the new generations move forward. I believe that there are new re-invented movements that are relevant to today's society and environment. People power is still alive and well; it just looks different in the way it's demonstrated. It evolves and I move along with it.
However, each generation has its own 'time' to celebrate - particularly done during those youthful years! Great memories.
We are now the "oldies but goodies".
By the way, I still have my ticket to Woodstock...how's that hanging on to a memory? My son keeps telling me to sell it on eBay. I could NEVER do that! | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:35:13 PM | | I miss the 60's and 70's very much! I will never forget the great times I had. I remember getting high on pot...best highs I've ever had. People were much friendlier. I remember the concerts in Central Park,and lighting a joint and passing it along. There were no racial problems then-black or white or whatever-everyone got along. I would go to peace rallys,and walk thru N.Y.C. at all hours without any problems. What's not to miss? Except my long hair! | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:53:20 PM | HELL YES, I miss the 60's and 70's !!
... what I remember of it ...
what was the question again ??
By the way - go back and take a look at post / response # 15 ... BEAUTIFUL - and a PERFECTLY true example of how things have REALLY changed ... | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/2/2008 6:28:33 PM | I totally miss the 70's.
Some of the Best years of my life.
I was modeling and partying and had a blast.
The best Thai Stick you could find.
I dated a limo driver who drove the famous bands around and he got me backstage passes to all the best rock concerts that came through town.
Lots of sex and rock and roll and I was madly in love with Freddie Mercury of Queen.
I was crushed when one of his roadies told me he was gay.
Such a loss when he died so young.
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/2/2008 7:04:54 PM | Hell yea!
And hell no.
Each era had its own pro's and cons.
60's/70's had GREAT music (classic rock rules), musclecars (if you didnt have 8 cylinders under the hood you were a cheap putz), cheap GAS (50 cents a gallon & 100+ octane. not the unleaded camel piss they sell you now for $3.55) , low crime rates (my parents used to go shopping all day and NEVER lock their house), nobody took the hippies too seriously.
CONS? warnings by the "top international scientists" that by the early 2000's we would be entering a new "ice age" due to planetwide cooling because of man's pollution of the Earth.
TODAY? Huge advances in medical technology (saved my wonderful mother from cancer), great 4x4 vehicles and some decent modern auto's (Mustang, 2 seat T-Birds, Subaru WRX, Nissan Skyline GTR), MUCH MUCH improved motorcycle technology especially dirtbike related (love my xr650r)
CONS? warnings by the "top international scientists" (and the now grown up hippies) that we are causing "global warming" due to our pollution of the Earth.
(even though we are actually cooling down again this year. they shouldve stayed with the first myth.....er.....ah.....idea.)
The people who dont know any better now take the grown up hippies seriously.
(even though their ideas have almost no factual truth to back them up. Its all mind control and hype.)
High crime rates. (because punishing criminals is now "politicly incorrect".)
And the music...................sucks. (they call this new gibberish music???????) | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/3/2008 1:06:31 AM | oas500, youve found a way to slip in your objection to climate change in this thread, twice.
Pretty good. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/3/2008 1:36:23 AM | re the Opost:
I do miss the 70s, because there was no HIV/AIDS to worry about.
Other than that, the times were IMO as glommy and as upbeat as today, only people who are 50 today were younger and thus had a different attitude then, and in the meantime, especially the Hippie/Woodstock/France May 1968 generation turned into corporate materil and power hungry "me obsessed" yuppies and proved that much of the "movement" was to avoid going to war and/or BS, thus ruiniig it for the coming generations, including mine, by giving certain things a bad name (like free sex).
So, no, I do not miss the 60s-70s, I use a condom and keep the real - ideological - issues of the 60s alive: Human Capitalism! | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/3/2008 6:26:49 AM | I was still a child in the sixties, but growing up in a rigid strict house I often dreamed of running off, being that free spirit and living in a commune... I had stars in my eyes and innocence. Had no real idea of sex or drugs. But what I saw from my perspective was the shove back to conservative society.
To the late great men who did pioneer change and equality, they were brave in that they had to know the danger involved, but they pursued it. In the end it cost them their lives, but the movement had already started spinning and the assasinations became the catalyst to surge forward to cry out for change. The problem in this as with the frailty of human behavior is excess...
I really believe throwing the Vietnam war into the mix help create alot of the drug scene and the broken spirit that did return home without anyone to help or guide them. Not to mention the total lack of support from society as a whole who spit on them as they walked off those planes... you have the free movement hippies who took these vets on as their next cause and the vets who self medicate, what do you end up with?
I had no idea of the horror of war until someone's younger sibling brought the pictures into school as hidden contraband for show & tell and the bodies laying there like hamburger made my stomach retch, but at the same time mesmorized me as to what they really lived through...
To me the 70's in which I was a teen and young adult seemed to be losing steam on the sixties... or that was my opinion... people were already looking inward again at themselves... yet you lose the innocence you once had and you can't go back to June Cleaver days and Father Knows Best... so yes there were the battles of equal rights but just not as "showy" as the sixties...
But ahhhh the music..... loved the music... and when the Beatles Revolution plays it stirs up that rebel in me... or listen to American Woman.... and feel the protest... so yes, I still look to seeing change, we have much further to go... we haven't gotten there yet... | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/3/2008 9:19:46 AM | there still is creativity, its just angrier now. people power still exists, but its more selfish. we can still create and live hedonistically, but hedonism leads to anger when ones henonistic desires are not met. i still enjoy being alive and just living. somedays its harder, in fact my life now is such a soap opera of epic proportions that i find myself shocked by each new disaster that hits. but for all that god is constant, the sun still shines and the beach is just as beautiful as it ever was. the good things never change and our appreciation of them changes and deepens with time. as the great phiolospher, from whom the old parrothead stole his screen name, once said
"yesterdays over my shoulder, so i cant look back for to long. cause theres too much to see waiting in front of me and i know that i just cant go wrong". (changes in latitude bring changes in attitude jummy buffet)  | |
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