| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/3/2008 9:24:53 AM | steve , there is not such thing as a gateway drug. that is propaganda that keeps the criminal justice and treatment industries in business and raking in the big bucks. pot in and of itself is bad for you because you smoke it. but as for leading to the use of other drugs that is an old chestnut that started circulating in the 1930's when the feds got tired of african americans and hispanics (still legally barred from alcohol in some places) from using the stuff. anti pot was racially charged movement that has never really changed much. if you want to read some good propaganda on the subject google up victor liccota (think the spellings right) and his highly charged court case in the 1930's. the feds tried to say that this dude, a diagnosed schizophrenic whom the police wanted to lock up but his family would not let them, killed all his family while under the influence of pot. truth is he was a sick man who drank wood alcohol passing for moon shine the night of the deed. the feds found out he smoked pot on occasion and the result was a great cult movie of the era, reefer madness. gotta keep thing slike this in perspective. the old parrothead | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/3/2008 3:27:17 PM | QUOTE:"oas500, youve found a way to slip in your objection to climate change in this thread, twice.
Pretty good."
Nah, just once.
But in the context of a period of 40 years.........  | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/4/2008 8:58:32 AM | Pot is not necessarily "harmless".....any drug (including alcohol) is not good for a person who has an "addictive" personality.....because then "simple pot smoking" does become a gateway to other drugs.
And these days, young people smoke "blunts", because pot-only isn't good enough for them....and marijuana laced with cocaine, and God-only-lnows-what-else is NOT a good thing....just ask any of the old-time D&A counselors......who are still working in the field. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/4/2008 2:06:10 PM | What is more harmful? Locking up people for life, killing people, generating a huge amount of crime by having addicts forced to pay drug cartels huge prices for what are essentially dirt cheap commodities, and empowering hordes of police of various types to make life miserable for almost everyone, or just letting a segment of the population that is either susceptible to addiction and/or refuses education and treatment drop out and kill themselves off rather quickly using perfectly legal supplies of all of these controlled substances?
Up until the 1920s or so, the latter approach was used. That is for at least 7 millennia. As with Prohibition, the War on Drugs, an intrinsically American idea, is an evident failure that in itself has destroyed more lives than the drug culture itself has done. All the pot heads from the 60s and 70s are now wearing ties, living in the suburbs, and voting Republican. Figure it out...... | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/4/2008 4:57:26 PM | | Parrot..I have to laugh as I was at my brother's today..very eccentric fellow and he has a poster for the movie "Reefer Madness" he also has three different versions of this movie. I personaly do not care what people do to "escape" We humans (animals too)have been using substances to make us feel better or more spiritual for eons.. I will give a little example of life right here if you can bear with me. My little sister/best friend has just been diagnosed with ovarian cancer. She is the good religious girl in the family does not smoke drink tutors special needs children is an author of christian childrens books...while we siblings the heathens who abuse ourselves with nasty stuff are spared..no rhyme or reason. To the origanal thought of this thread My values came from this era. I am so lucky to have lived through this time period. The anti war movement was a big part of my life along with the non materialism mentality (nowadays they call it simple living and have glossy magazines to show you how) Yes there were people who did not fare well at that time (as in many other generations) but I think that the youngsters in this day and age have much more to deal with. This is the generation I am scared for. We were the peace and love one..JMHO | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/4/2008 7:38:56 PM | | I missed the first half of the 70s. I was too busy studying. If you ask me who were popular bands back then, I'd have to just look at you with a blank stare. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/5/2008 9:47:32 PM | I don't miss 'em one tiny bit.
Those two decades were arguably two of the worst decades in our history.
Very similar to the riotous times of the 1860's-70's.
Wanna know WHY our country is in such a mess today?
All the dopers on the college campuses of the 60-70's are now running the place!
Truly, the inmates are in charge of the asylum. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/5/2008 10:03:01 PM | Steven02151 wrote a great original post that could have sparked a terrific thread. Sadly, the only posts in the entire thread that resonate with my experience of the sixties and seventies were written by---- Steven02151.
Now relax people, I'm not saying there was no validity to the things you wrote. Perhaps if Steven had asked for people to reply to the CONTENT of his post rather than the title question, things would have gone differently. Too many people made the posting about themselves, which ironically is a symptom of society in the last 30 years. One of the profound things I see missing from the 60's and 70's is the sense of a true social bonding amongst small groups, which connected to similar groups in other places and found its way across the nation. The MOVEMENT felt real because it WAS real, and that name itself says the story (moving society and personal freedom forward). It wasn't about the avoidance of going to Vietnam, it was to stop the damn war itself. The posters who think that we who miss those times greatly are merely old farts remembering our youth like old farts always have couldn't be more wrong. I'd love to bring back all of the healthy, affirmative concepts of those times and work on them here in my mid-fifties. To those who say, "Oh you can still do it now, volunteer at a food bank or pass around flyers for global warming" just don't get it. We weren't talking about earning girl scout badges for good works back then, we were talking about Peaceful Revolution, winning a majority of the populace through teaching, by example, and in the demonstrable positive results of that revolution.
JFK, MLK, and RFK were all murdered (and I agree with Steven that the circumstances of all three killings are still suspect), but each accomplished much. It is we who failed to pick up the torch that they passed. Ghandi said "I am willing to die for a just cause, but not to kill for one." How many of us can say that with true conviction? The lives of my wife and I were threatened in 1991 when we peacfully protested the Gulf War. This was in a conservative town in the South. The police told us they could not guarantee our safety. We went to the event believing there was a real chance we could be killed, but each of us felt strongly that it would be worth it.
Stephen also brings up the important issue of CREATIVITY. We aren't talking here about painting a pretty picture and hanging it above the couch. We are talking about that creativity which is the life blood of the human race. This creativity is rooted in PLAY. Play is not an empty way of passing time, the sole provenance of children. Play is energizing in and of itself. Play reminds us that living can be fun (shove that up your big fat a$$ Rush Limbaugh)!  Play leads to discovery leads to invention. Play and Creativity are not just for artists and scientists, it is our birthright (hello, "the pursuit of happiness"--THAT wasn't written by some drugged out liberal hippie).
Who remembers Ronald Ray-gun as Governor of California in 1967 saying he would order his limousine to run over any hippies who protested by sitting in the streets? President Friendly with his jelly beans, my a$$. So a year later we get the Chicago cops mauling protesters in the streets at the Democratic Convention--looking rather like the Soviet invasion of Czecheslovakia that same summer. Two years later there was Kent State. How can you NOT see this as the purposeful action of the power structures to re-exert control. The clamps really came down with the election of that Ronald fellow (apparently threatening to run over innocent people makes you a popular choice for President), the conservative congressmen that he swept into office, and the emergence of right-wing propaganda radio. It didn't take long until we had troops in Lebanon, invaded Grenada, bombed Libya (kill a despot's child and be a hero), invaded Panama. And that was just the small stuff. The conservatives passed funds for a massive military buildup, which just HAPPENED to be ready just in time for Gulf War I. Gulf War II shows that the government learned the lesson of Vietnam. "He who controls the media controls the war." Now you smarter folks out there will recognize the similarity to George Orwell's 1984. Do yourself a favor. Rent the film of the same name and pay close attention to the words in the opening sequence. It is almost verbatim to a speech by 'Dubya'. What better way to control the populace then to declare perpetual war?
So you see folks, this is serious. This isn't about reefer debates, or how good the music was, or how bad the fashions were, or how cheap things were back then. It's about how ALIVE and FREE you deserve to be and the repressive forces that don't want you to be. All THEY want is for you to behave yourself, parrot their propoganda, and be a good little consumer and buy things.
You and I deserve far more! | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/7/2008 3:41:06 PM | I had an amazing time in the 70's as a mobile DJ.
Sadly AIDS etc has put a stop to a lot of the fun we had then. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/8/2008 1:48:59 AM | | Rossal, I joined the Army after I got out of high school in '67(retired after 24 years in 91). I went to Vietnam in 68-69 and smoked pot while in the rear (Saigon) on R +R. I would never do it on duty because it was too dangerous to be high in those situations. In the 70's I was stationed and Germany and smoked hash. Had to go straight in the late 70's and early 80's because maturity and urine tests were starting up. I agree with the statement about the counter-culture of the 60's college kids are now running the asylum. They are turning us into a womb to tomb nanny state of wussies and slowly taking away all our freedoms in the name of political correctness. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/9/2008 9:04:27 PM | """""Most of my old.. pot-smoking friends have either died from lung cancer.. car accidents.. accidental fires.. or those that have managed to "survive" thus far.. have been through re-hab more times than I can count."""
You found this to be.. funny????????? Laughing at the demise and wasted lives of other human beings???????
(maybe.. you should go have another "beer".. pop in a movie.. and have a real laugh.. careful though.. wouldn't want you to be confused  with the nightly news!)
Yes.. chocolate.. I agree the 60's and 70's were better than the 30'.. 40's.. and 50's.. and they were better than those of the 1700's for the African-American culture. However.. who would've ever thought then that an African-American would be seriously running for president in 2008? I happen to think.. it just keeps getting better for all people of all races and cultures. Progress is ever-so-slow in the evolution of "man". I do wonder though.. what would/could have occurred.. and how much sooner.. if MLK or MX had survived. Their deaths are and will always be.. a sad mark on our (US) history.
I certainly NEVER believe anything that's been "endorsed" by Hollywood as the "gospel" truth. The movies folks? Seriously! Movies are "depictions"made by producers/executives and can be based "loosely" on truth/fact or books. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/10/2008 8:09:33 AM | I was 10 in 1971, and I still remember that year. I loved the 70's. It was the happiest time in my life. I think it was the Renaissance of the time. I loved all of the music and the hippie dress and everything of that time. I loved the hiphuggers and body shirts. I still sometimes look for those kinds of clothes to buy or sew. I was too young for the sex and drugs. 1971 was my favorite year.    | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/10/2008 9:16:04 AM | I don't miss that time...but for sure it was wonderful ...and my mind was full of dreams!
I checked on "kids" of my class...it is amazing...that we still remember each other...and our good time...when we were innocent...beautiful and young rebels... | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:25:01 AM | Stringbeen, you're but a babe! I GRADUATED from high school in 1971......
And "way back in September, 2005", on the 35th anniversary of Jimi Hendrix' death, I noted with great sadness that "the greatest guitar player that ever lived" had been dead more years than he had been alive......
Yes, Redarchangel....I wonder those things, too. So many people have the greatest misunderstanding about Malcolm X, and what he stood for in his later years...they don't even understand that the reason he was killed was that he REFUTED racist beliefs expressed by some members of the Nation of Islam......but you know how Americans are......they take something and run with it, and most are blind to accepting any new information.....so sad for us as a people...black, white, brown, red, and yellow..... | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/17/2008 8:22:16 AM | Heck NO !!! I beleive in living in the here and now !!!! Besides, I know so much more now heh heh heh...
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/17/2008 9:25:12 AM | | Things have definitely changed, no question about it. I find myself missing the days gone by. It was more fun then, people were more friendly. Now being separate & disconnected is the order of the day. It will never be the same again. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/17/2008 8:55:44 PM | Marijuana is a deadly drug that leads to heroin, crack, prostitution, veneral diseases, poverty, insanity, and worst of all.............beer.
I go back to my old neighborhood sometimes and see the poor dears who used to "light up" ... if they arent dead or in jail or in a mental institution, they are usually walking around the streets begging or disoriented, saying "man" and "cool" and "far freaking out, man" ... or worse, in some bar drinking beer. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/17/2008 9:07:06 PM |
Has something been lost? It didn't so much get lost as sold out. When the kids of the 60's and 70's had their own kids they went for money and status. They discarded love in favor of money. Their kids were raised on TV, as little consumers. Those kids grew up devoid of morality, imagination and character. Now their kids are effectively retards weaned on video games and cable idiocy. The soul of humanity was lost. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/17/2008 9:24:54 PM | Before we get all tearful and nostalgic, lets remember what sucked about that time.
a. Tony Orlando and Dawn
b. Tommy James and the Shondells
c. Richard Nixon
d. Viet Nam
e. The Cold War
f. Chemical weapons..yep..that was the hayday of biological and chemical weapons research
g. The Black Panthers
h. The Hells Angels
I think its better now.
But this post is silly:
"I go back to my old neighborhood sometimes and see the poor dears who used to "light up" ... if they arent dead or in jail or in a mental institution, they are usually walking around the streets begging or disoriented, saying "man" and "cool" and "far freaking out, man" ... or worse, in some bar drinking beer"
What was your old neighborhood? Doesnt sound like mine. All the people like me who used to do acid every 3rd day and smoke dope and take mescaline are either;
a. professors
b. deans
c. doctors
d. lawyers
e. writers
f. politicians
You must have hung with some awfully stupid people dude. | |
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| Anyone MIss the 60's and 70's?
Posted: 5/18/2008 7:03:35 AM | I'll chime in. What I miss: music was waaay better. On the other hand, now we have the technology to make our own music with Cubase & other recording programs.
I really miss the idealism and the naive belief we could make the world better. I spoze that was just the optimism of youth. But now there is a sense of hopelessness. I feel we have ruined this planet and I don't see how things can improve until Mother Nature decides to get rid of most of us. For this reason I'm not exactly pushing for Grandchildren.
The other thing I really hate about Today is that developers and corporations have increased their stranglehold on our economy & our planet. | |
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