| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/2/2008 10:15:21 AM |
[Somebody please explain how making a photo ID a requirement to vote will make it harder to vote, don't just say it, explain how. As for the states who do make a photo ID mandatory to vote they seem to have fewer problems than the states who don't require it.
Fewer of WHICH problems?
OK....SOME people have difficulty filling in paper work.
SOME people are essentially illiterate--and if they are poor now they not only have to apply for an ID, they also have to fill in paperwork proving that they are too poor to afford one and need a free one?.
SOME people don't trust the government and don't want to have an ID card that makes them more.....identifiable.
SOME people live a very marginal existence, and yet STILL vote. And they have that right. You have the right to vote EVEN IF you can't write or you don't trust your government or you want to live in the margins or in the shadows or you are JUST lazy, except on polling day.
If producing a photo ID to vote wa mandatory in all elections and one was provided for those who couldn't afford one, explain how it will make it harder to vote rather than easier. The purpose of a mandatory photo ID to vote is not to make it easier but to make voting a fair process by helping to eliminate voting fraud. Sure, some will always find ways around it but in order to keep it as fair a process as possible our government must evolve with those who would undermine the voting process.
Who are all these people who "would undermine" it? Where is all this "voting fraud" taking place? Will someone please explain this to me? Don't just SAY it happens.... | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/2/2008 10:30:15 AM | .
Yes for a state photo drivers license, its all they need. Definiitely no on a federal ID. I reside on state governed land not federal. Federal ID is fine for people who reside on federally owned land and territories.
We ALL need to demand a duplicate numbered paper ballots also.
Do not accept electronic voting machines. Call your elections boards and city and state officials and demand it.
A numbered ballot provides a means for a fair recount.
After all we even get a receipt for a damn mickey d's but not our vote!!! In fact it should be an amendment!
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/2/2008 4:06:33 PM | To people who say illegal aliens and non-citizens cannot or do not vote, its easy for them to get away with doing it even though its illegal. It is a real and valid concern. Here are some more links
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010814
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40675 | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/2/2008 4:46:43 PM | .
Does someone have real postings of the Problem???
I am on the fence on this....
I am happy that now we won't have to deal with mail in ballots...
I have always wondered about their validity ...How long until vote by mail is outlawed?
I know this ruling allows the states to decide... Scalia wanted it to be federal law....
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/2/2008 6:29:32 PM | of course not bob. the real problem is when the supreme court, some members of whom had family members who worked for the elect Bush 2000 bit, made the choice.....
today the supreme court upheld Indiana's new law making Drivers license necessary to take part in the primary.....making 13% of Indianans who are REGISTERED VOTERS INELIGIBLE.
Horrah for 12 years of Republican congress and 1.6 of Democraps doing nothing.....
....I'm gonna start making wine from wild things.... | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/2/2008 7:16:19 PM | .
My point is this has to apply for voting by mail......
NO Photo ID NO Ballot right? Absentee?
I am still waiting for some of the Problems cause by no ID....
To Go all the way to the Supremes It has to be Major Stuff...
There has to be a huge list of Complaints and Prosecutions. | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/2/2008 7:23:28 PM | | Don't you know about electronic votes? I remember reading that Bush had the electronic votes fixed so photo id is pretty much useless and waste of time. | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/2/2008 7:28:43 PM | .
Like I said RF Implants....
Walk by the voting machine. Just like McDonalds... Except you don't need to Kill trees,
No paper better for the Environment...
smaller carbon footprint
Secure ID...Good.... | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/2/2008 8:39:35 PM | | so do it bob. there are people that have it already. Are you playing devils advocate or what? Be the first on the POF forums. you can put it on your profile that your mate can track you with her cell..... | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 12:06:01 AM | I am not sure where you got the idea that the republicans stole Florida but the Broward county recount was done by dems and every time they recounted Bush would get just a few more votes. hmmm so I guess in your mind the repubs were paying of the dems in Fl to make sure bush won huh. I know you will now say it was the right wing supreme court that gave it to Bush, right? The supreme court had nothing to gain by installing a president, remember they are put in for life. Ohio there was lots of talk by the dems on how they were going to make thier stand there but, when the results came in they saw there was nothing there to challenge so just what the heck are you blabbering about.
Id's in Texas (and I am sure at least several others ) it is required by law that anyone over 18 have a valid id on them.
I am not saying repubs are angels but the dems seem to be the ones always trying to steal something. Look at your parties primary process they don't even trust the citezens to make the right choice for the democrat nominee. | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 12:26:47 AM | zyler^^^ I'm not sure who you are addressing this post to....but, at least from my POV, what's important is the PROBLEMS in tallying votes when it actually MATTERS.
Not gonna touch the Supreme Court thing.......
But....and I'm sorry to tell you this, but the republican party primary is MUCH less "democratic" than the democrats', even given the problem of super delegates. | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 4:47:43 AM | Exodusi,
Illegal aliens shouldnt be able to vote. Legal aliens should be able to vote. If you are here within the law, you should be able to vote. I dont think it would be a good thing if our prsidential vote came down to the nitty gritty and the illeagl aliens had the pwer to decide who the next president would be do you? | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 7:38:19 AM | I agree. . . I just don't think it is a real problem. I doubt more than a few hundred illegal aliens vote nation wide each year.
Tampering is a far more serious problem. | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 8:36:33 AM | I think Photo ID is a good thing, but there are still other huge problems that need addressing, like electronic voting machines that reportedly have internal modems, which means they can be manipulated through wireless technology by people from a distance using computers which can cause whomever they want to win, to win. I don't trust those electronic voting machines, we need to get back to hard ballots(and fair and open monitoring of those ballots from beginning to end to make sure no cheating or manipulation goes on). Here are a few links on that
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/vote-d24.shtml
http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2003/09/23/bev_harris/
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd72.htm | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 10:35:45 AM | If voter photo ID is good for everybody, why is it ONLY the Repugs pushing so hard for it? Because they know it will keep poor, marginal citizens, aka the "have nots", out of the voting booth, where they nearly always vote Dem.
If voter fraud is a massive problem that must be solved by voter photo ID, why hasn't the Repug DoJ and its politicized US Attorneys General been able to find and convict massive voter fraud in 7 years, inspite of DoJ pushing the USAGs to go after voter fraund (instead of crimes by Repug businessmen)?
That voter fraud is a huge problem is a lie spread by the Repugs, esp Karl Rove, to disenfranchise/intimidate Dem voters.
I would support voter photo ID, if:
1) it was easy (no need to travel long distances) and completely free to obtain such an ID.
2) equally free and easy to replace a lost photo ID.
Why don't we see the Repugs also pushing hard for reliable, verifiable voting machines? | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 10:48:15 AM | .
I am not sure where you got the idea that the republicans stole Florida but the Broward county recount was done by dems and every time they recounted Bush would get just a few more votes. hmmm so I guess in your mind the repubs were paying of the dems in Fl to make sure bush won huh.
What was that official Florida result from 2000??? That should put any questions to rest...
Bush lost Florida....
The supreme court had nothing to gain .... How many family members worked for Bush/Cheney??
People put web sites for voter machine fraud.... Thats not a problem.....
Where are the sites for ID fraud?? Or massive Illegal voting...
What about voting by mail??? Who ID's them? | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 4:28:55 PM | We have to have a picture ID to get a job,
to drive,
to buy aclohol or cigs (if we look ungerage)
to go to night clubs (any age in a lot of states)
to open a checking account
to fly on a commercial airlines
to get into may office buildings
or just as a general requirement in most states.
I don't hear much in the way of constitutional challanges re: of those situations:
So why is it so especially hard to have it with you when you vote?
The reasons for verifying the identity of voters is to prevent stuffing of the ballot boxes, to prevent votes of non-citizens, and to keep others fro stealing YOUR voting opprotunites. What could be any planer than the nose on one's face?
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 4:55:42 PM |
We have to have a picture ID to get a job,
to drive,
to buy aclohol or cigs (if we look ungerage)
to go to night clubs (any age in a lot of states)
to open a checking account
to fly on a commercial airlines
to get into may office buildings
or just as a general requirement in most states.
I don't hear much in the way of constitutional challanges re: of those situations:
These are all in the Constitution???
Voting is.... I am simply asking why this is a issue...
Give some examples of cases filed for this huge problem... There must be too many to list?
Every GOP state Legislator is screaming about this Huge Problem...
How about voting by mail... How do you ID these people???
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 7:34:56 PM | Texas for one.
I have mentioned this earlier in the thread === and other posters had said it is the same in their states.
This is a fact that many do not know -- since most of us have drivers licenses. | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 7:40:39 PM | | Tradurgirl, I'm from Texas and I don't think that's right. You don't have to have a state-photo ID as a general requirement for....what? Being a Texan? In fact, it's not even state law in TX that you have to produce state-issued (DL or similar) photo-ID to vote. It's a debate in TX, but it's not state law....yet. | |
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 7:41:22 PM | These are all in the Constitution???
No, laws governing all of these are not in the Constitution. Laws may be created by Legislation, Admin Law or Case law = as well as the Constitution. If laws are challanged they may be upheld by the courts .
All citizens are allowed to vote, for sure. but laws governing the conduct of elections are not in the Constitution.
Voting is.... I am simply asking why this is a issue...
Why is it an issue for some that an established rule facilitating the orderly conduct of elections be abolished?
Several of us on this thread have established that a picture ID is already possessed by most. And easy to get and free, if necessary for everyone else.
Do you suppose that some people might possibly want to dispense with rules requiring Photo ID's in order to assist them in committing voter fraud?
For what other reason would someone wish to avoid showing an ID?
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| Photo ID required to vote, good or bad
Posted: 5/3/2008 7:54:36 PM | Nomad -- Texans DO have to carry an ID on their persons. That is why the state offers state ID cards for non-Drivers. If you have questions please contact TX Dept of Public Safety.
This is also true other states. | |
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