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 lethrnek

Joined: 10/19/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2008 6:56:41 AM
Official results in Florida in 2000; the official dem results is that Bush stole florida; the official repub result is Bush won floida. We will never truely know what the official count was in Florida because too many people feel so strong about that election they will do whaever they can to twist thing in their favor. Besides that was 8 years ago, a bit of advice, get over it and move on.
 lethrnek

Joined: 10/19/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2008 6:58:54 AM
You are right exodus, the reoubs don't want your vote to count and will stop at nothing to keep you from voting. Get a life
 lethrnek

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Posted: 5/5/2008 7:13:36 AM
Nomadic: Exodus still voted. We have the right to vote, that's not to say that it will always be easy to vote. What do we do with those wo can't drive, can't read, can't write are we responsible to make sure they exercise their right to vote, no we are not, laws shouldn't make it harder to vote and have heard of no such law doing so. People who have theright to vote and can't get to the polls on time alwys cry wolf, they were isenfrnchized, it's a conspiracy to keep the from voting. News flash, it's the governments responsibility at any level to get people to the polls, it is however their responsibility at all level to ensure the right to vote is not infringed upon or denied and that voting is done legally. People who want their way and don't get it make up term like disenfrnchised, selective disenfrnchized, it's all b.s. Photo ID'd do not and have not made it harder to vote anywhere they are required, for every person who say it did there is one who says it didn't an so we go back and forth and while we do nothing seems to get done.

Significant number of non-citizens do vote, do collect benefits they arre not entitled to only because are liberal politicians and law makers turn their heads. It is too easy to make sure everyone has a tamper proof ID, but libs cry wolf, disenfrnchized and other silly words.

Voting is so important, the most important thing/right we have, if it's so important then why not safeguarded, and make it harder for someone to steal your vote?
 lethrnek

Joined: 10/19/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2008 7:17:05 AM
giving your fingerprint to the state to vote only constitutes invasion of privacy if you didn't give them your fingerprint, once you give that fingerprint you saying to the state, yes, i agree that you can use this to identify me at the polls.
 bob0colo

Joined: 4/9/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2008 7:57:28 AM

Official results in Florida in 2000; the official dem results is that Bush stole florida; the official repub result is Bush won floida. We will never truely know what the official count was in Florida because too many people feel so strong about that election they will do whaever they can to twist thing in their favor. Besides that was 8 years ago, a bit of advice, get over it and move on.


Why has the state never given the count?
How do you twist an official count?? Law required that a count be made official... It was due before sept 11....

Get over it? ha When ever a law is broken ... just get over it, Good attitude... Healthy..

Reminds me of Kenya... NO official count.... why don't those people get over it... the USA has become a giant comedy...


Significant number of non-citizens do vote


You won't have any problem giving us cases of all the massive voter fraud... This huge Problem....




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 Schadenfreudian

Joined: 7/5/2007
Msg: 131
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Posted: 5/5/2008 9:10:31 AM
It's a form of a poll tax, and as such is illegal.
 Crash1967

Joined: 6/2/2007
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Posted: 5/5/2008 9:30:55 AM
^^^^so simple, so elegant, why is that so hard for people to understand?

and thank you tradurgurl for again making my point.... given enough rope, the reactionary will always hang themselves....
 Schadenfreudian

Joined: 7/5/2007
Msg: 133
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Posted: 5/5/2008 9:40:12 AM
^^^^^ The reactionary/wealthier-than-God have indeed sold us the rope that will hang them...all for the price of a gallon of Saudi-pumped-and-refined gas.
 bob0colo

Joined: 4/9/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2008 10:10:00 AM
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These same people will complain about the lack of voter participation.....
USA needs to be Secure-ID, with a finger print??? Or do we need an ID that cost $100??

Every state that passed this ID requirement must now address Absentee and mail voting...

A lot of wasted effort, only to distract from real problems.

No one can provide any Cases about this Problem...


What is the difference between USA 2000 Vote count and today in Kenya...Zimbabwe....

I am more concerned about the Count.....
 exodusi1

Joined: 8/19/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2008 10:27:29 AM
Yes, I did get to vote, barely. You don't think this is a serious problem? If I hadn't had some of my mail in my car, I would NOT have been permitted to vote, WITH a VALID ID, and WITH MY VOTER REGISTRATION CARD!

Disenfranchisment is NOT just a four dollar word, it is a serious problem.

Illegal aliens DON'T vote. That is NOT a serious problem. There is NO evidence to support the lies of the right wing that this is an issue!

What is the definition of Democracy? Of Republic? Does it matter if the person who won the election, Al Gore becomes President? Are we still a Representative Republic if the election was stolen? Does our Constitution still matter?

I don't care who wins between the Democrats and Republicans, IF and only IF the election is fair! If the power to select our representatives is removed from our hands, then we are no longer the free nation we believe ourselves to be. That is the question, it is the only question for those who love our Constitution, as I love our Constitution.
 flyonthewall!

Joined: 3/31/2008
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Posted: 5/5/2008 11:48:36 AM
Hmm . . . seems to me that a person who had just moved would check to make sure:

1) That his polling place was still the same, and

2) He knew what documents would be necessary to be allowed to vote given that he recently moved.

When I go to DMV, polling places, or do anything that has to do with government and regulation the first thing that I do is CALL the entity to make sure I bring the proper documentation with me.

That doesn't seem so hard, does it?
 exodusi1

Joined: 8/19/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2008 12:12:25 PM
I did!

I changed the address with MVD, however, in AZ, they don't send a new liscense. Our liscense does not expire until we do, or until we turn 65, whichever comes first, hopefully the latter.

I did bring the documentation they said I would need, my VALID Driver's Liscense and MY voter registration card.

Why does it have to be harder than necessary? Why is it an issue, when illegal voting isn't an issue, not a real issue. There is NO evidence to support their claims, none, no prosecutions, not a SINGLE one, no deportations of illegal aliens captured as they try to illegally vote, NOT A SINGLE ONE!

It is more rhetoric and misinformation to distract the public while they steal election after election.
 TradurGurl

Joined: 8/21/2007
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Posted: 5/5/2008 12:34:55 PM

and thank you tradurgurl for again making my point.... given enough rope, the reactionary will always hang themselves....



.... considering the source of that one!
 TradurGurl

Joined: 8/21/2007
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Posted: 5/5/2008 12:40:45 PM
Hmm . . . seems to me that a person who had just moved would check to make sure:

1) That his polling place was still the same, and

2) He knew what documents would be necessary to be allowed to vote given that he recently moved.

When I go to DMV, polling places, or do anything that has to do with government and regulation the first thing that I do is CALL the entity to make sure I bring the proper documentation with me.

That doesn't seem so hard, does it?


NOPE! It's the Government's job to hold our hands,
save us from ourselves,
make sure were not held responsible for anything,
wipe our butts,
and make it easier for those of us who are too STUPID and LAZY to follow simple rules!

That's why we need Liberals -- to protect our rights!

hahaha!



NOTE: I am NOT referring to your case -- Exodus, since you did say you asked first. --- I am referring to the the ones who don't think we should all make attempts to comply with rules.
 Crash1967

Joined: 6/2/2007
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Posted: 5/5/2008 12:43:04 PM
...hang on just a sec tradurgurl while I go get more rope....
 exodusi1

Joined: 8/19/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2008 12:44:54 PM
How ironic, that what is said in sarcasm is actually so true!

Liberals are here to protect your rights, you would be absolutely screwed without us.

Think about it, so many neo-cons hate the ACLU. . . What is the ACLU's mission?

Huh?

To protect the Bill of Rights.

Wow, pretty scarey huh?

TG;
Understood, thanks.
Ex I
 TradurGurl

Joined: 8/21/2007
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Posted: 5/5/2008 12:48:46 PM

...hand on just a sec tradurgurl while I go get more rope....


Have a nice TRIP ....... but don't FALL (in).

 flyonthewall!

Joined: 3/31/2008
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Posted: 5/5/2008 12:50:29 PM
Yep. The KKK absolutely LOVES the ACLU. It makes sure the KKK can march when local governments put up a fuss. That's liberals for ya!


Why does it have to be harder than necessary? Why is it an issue, when illegal voting isn't an issue, not a real issue. There is NO evidence to support their claims, none, no prosecutions, not a SINGLE one, no deportations of illegal aliens captured as they try to illegally vote, NOT A SINGLE ONE!


It has nothing to do with illegal aliens. It has to do with YOU not voting TWICE. If you have a new address then the polling place has no way to know if you'll vote at their poll AND at the new location. Generally what they do is give you a provisional ballot which is only counted if your vote would make a difference in the overall election outcome for the state:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_ballot

If they need to count the provisional votes, then the ballots are verified.
 bob0colo

Joined: 4/9/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2008 12:56:06 PM
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Remember Bob Barr ... He loves the ACLU..

Free speech is not protection of the speech you like, or want to hear....
 exodusi1

Joined: 8/19/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2008 1:04:38 PM
Yes, as appaling as it is, they even rushed, no pun intended, to Rush Limbaugh's defense. The ACLU's ONLY objective is to protect YOUR rights.

It shows how ignorant most people are of what the Constitution really means! They worry about the Second Amendment, not realizing that that one means nothing if you can't afford to buy a gun or bullets. Or if the Press is owned by major corporations telling you who the bad guys are, but without any truth. Who tell you that illegal aliens might vote, when they DON'T! So you will worry about that instead of Diebold selecting your next president while you gloat over the demise of Liberal thought, not realizing that YOU are a liberal! Most Americans depend on Liberal policies to do their daily lives. EVER American benefits from Liberal policies, but so many are brainwashed, they don't know who or what they stand for.

You want to know the typical, so called conservative? Here you go;

A Day in the Life of Joe Republican

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.

Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.
 a bit nomadic

Joined: 6/14/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2008 9:28:23 PM
tradurgirl:
NOPE! It's the Government's job to hold our hands,
save us from ourselves,
make sure were not held responsible for anything,
wipe our butts,
and make it easier for those of us who are too STUPID and LAZY to follow simple rules!

That's why we need Liberals -- to protect our rights!

hahaha!


Lord have mercy.

Scorn much?

Tell you what TG.... you go right ahead and change the constitution to say that stupid and lazy people don't have the right to vote..... (or don't change it but say it's a law anyway...kinda like not being allowed to go out in Texas without an ID...LMAO)....

And then maybe we can sterilize the stupid lazy people....or seal them all up into a special "no rights" room.....or better yet, a camp of some sort.....

Problem solved right?

Just hope that nobody decides someday that YOU are stupid and lazy......

"Hello....? ACLU? ......"



lethrnek:
Nomadic: Exodus still voted. We have the right to vote, that's not to say that it will always be easy to vote. What do we do with those wo can't drive, can't read, can't write are we responsible to make sure they exercise their right to vote, no we are not, laws shouldn't make it harder to vote and have heard of no such law doing so. People who have theright to vote and can't get to the polls on time alwys cry wolf, they were isenfrnchized, it's a conspiracy to keep the from voting. News flash, it's the governments responsibility at any level to get people to the polls, it is however their responsibility at all level to ensure the right to vote is not infringed upon or denied and that voting is done legally. People who want their way and don't get it make up term like disenfrnchised, selective disenfrnchized, it's all b.s. Photo ID'd do not and have not made it harder to vote anywhere they are required, for every person who say it did there is one who says it didn't an so we go back and forth and while we do nothing seems to get done.

Significant number of non-citizens do vote, do collect benefits they arre not entitled to only because are liberal politicians and law makers turn their heads. It is too easy to make sure everyone has a tamper proof ID, but libs cry wolf, disenfrnchized and other silly words.

Voting is so important, the most important thing/right we have, if it's so important then why not safeguarded, and make it harder for someone to steal your vote?


lethrnek, perhaps some people say it is harder, and some people say it isn't....because for some people it is and for some it isn't. Truly, I don't see the point of what you are saying. You say things--"Photo ID'd [sic] do not and have not made it harder to vote anywhere they are required"--like you saying it makes it so. That's not argument: what you and another poster on this thread don't seem to realize is that simply stating something as if it is a fact, doesn't make it one. IMO, we've seen a pretty good example of the difficulties things like this can cause, described by a poster on this thread from personal experience--that carries more weight with me than your simple assertions.

And the fact that you think the word "disenfranchized" (or disenfranchised, if you prefer) is a "silly one" says much for your attitude on this issue. (Honestly, it seems that you dislike the word so much that you are determined to torture it with as many different misspellings as possible).

And btw, bobocolo has asked time and again for EVIDENCE of all this voting fraud....WHERE IS IT?? Again, simply SAYING that it happens isn't enough! I'm not WORRIED about my vote being stolen....EXCEPT by the people who claim to be trying to "protect" me from this crime. SHOW ME.
 TradurGurl

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Posted: 5/5/2008 10:54:38 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court ruled Monday that states can require voters to produce photo identification without violating their constitutional rights, validating Republican-inspired voter ID laws.

In a splintered 6-3 ruling, the court upheld Indiana's strict photo ID requirement, which Democrats and civil rights groups said would deter poor, older and minority voters from casting ballots. Its backers said it was needed to prevent fraud.

It was the most important voting rights case since the Bush v. Gore dispute that sealed the 2000 election for George W. Bush. But the voter ID ruling lacked the conservative-liberal split that marked the 2000 case.

The law "is amply justified by the valid interest in protecting 'the integrity and reliability of the electoral process,'" Justice John Paul Stevens said in an opinion that was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Anthony Kennedy. Stevens was a dissenter in Bush v. Gore in 2000.

Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas also agreed with the outcome, but wrote separately.

Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter dissented, just as they did in 2000.

More than 20 states require some form of identification at the polls. Courts have upheld voter ID laws in Arizona, Georgia and Michigan, but struck down Missouri's. Monday's decision comes a week before Indiana's presidential primary.

The decision also could spur efforts to pass similar laws in other states.

Ken Falk, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana, said he hadn't reviewed the decision, but he was "extremely disappointed" by it. Falk has said voter ID laws inhibit voting, and a person's right to vote "is the most important right." The ACLU brought the case on behalf of Indiana voters.

The case concerned a state law, passed in 2005, that was backed by Republicans as a way to deter voter fraud. Democrats and civil rights groups opposed the law as unconstitutional and called it a thinly veiled effort to discourage elderly, poor and minority voters - those most likely to lack proper ID and who tend to vote for Democrats.

There is little history in Indiana of either in-person voter fraud - of the sort the law was designed to thwart - or voters being inconvenienced by the law's requirements. For the overwhelming majority of voters, an Indiana driver license serves as the identification.

"We cannot conclude that the statute imposes 'excessively burdensome requirements' on any class of voters," Stevens said.

Stevens' opinion suggests that the outcome could be different in a state where voters could provide evidence that their rights had been impaired.

But in dissent, Souter said Indiana's voter ID law "threatens to impose nontrivial burdens on the voting rights of tens of thousands of the state's citizens."

Scalia, favoring a broader ruling in defense of voter ID laws, said, "The universally applicable requirements of Indiana's voter-identification law are eminently reasonable. The burden of acquiring, possessing and showing a free photo identification is simply not severe, because it does not 'even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting.'"

Stevens said the partisan divide in Indiana, as well as elsewhere, was noteworthy. But he said that preventing fraud and inspiring voter confidence were legitimate goals of the law, regardless of who backed or opposed it.

Indiana provides IDs free of charge to the poor and allows voters who lack photo ID to cast a provisional ballot and then show up within 10 days at their county courthouse to produce identification or otherwise attest to their identity.

Stevens said these provisions also help reduce the burden on people who lack driver licenses.


Discussion over! Problem solved!

Read it and weep !



 Ezzee

Joined: 7/26/2004
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Posted: 5/6/2008 6:27:04 AM
Just because the Supreme Court makes a ruling doesn't mean that the discussion is over. If that were the case then I guess the discussion is over on such controversial issues as abortion and the death penalty, because the Supreme Court said that those were both OK. That is unless you believe in being led like cattle through a meat grinder in giving up the battle whenever the government says something.
 TradurGurl

Joined: 8/21/2007
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Posted: 5/6/2008 8:31:59 AM
Nothing on topic --
So I guess that's all you got.

When you have no logical arguments -- you just have to resort to insults.

Life in the United States may not be perfect -- there will always be the rich, poor, haves and have-nots in ANY country.

I don't like ALL the laws, either --- but so much better than life in a dictatorship -- where one has NO rights or voting privileges at all.


 Insolent1

Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 150
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Posted: 5/6/2008 8:37:05 AM
Any one that says that Requiring photo IDs to vote is being disingenuous, there really is no good reason why requiring IDs is unfair or disenfranchises anyone....they are available to everyone and they are not expensive,many states provide them for free if someone is not financially able to purchase one..no excuses just PC BS......
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