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 Crash1967

Joined: 6/2/2007
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Posted: 5/6/2008 9:26:23 AM
photo ID's proved to be a really useful for folks to document what happened to people in concentration camps .... so I guess they aren't all bad .... course having them helped the 3rd Reich round folks up too.....

.... a gage I use to judge a political thing by..."what would Hitler do?"....
 Schadenfreudian

Joined: 7/5/2007
Msg: 152
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Posted: 5/6/2008 9:49:54 AM
^^^^^ Or..."have you seen portrayals of Nazis in movies doing this to others?"

"If it's paranoia, it CAN'T be good for us." -- The Right Reverend Schatzi von Schadenfreudian
 a bit nomadic

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Posted: 5/6/2008 10:01:23 AM

I don't like ALL the laws, either --- but so much better than life in a dictatorship -- where one has NO rights or voting privileges at all.


And yet you mock "liberals" for concerning themselves with protecting the rights that we have.
 lethrnek

Joined: 10/19/2006
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Posted: 5/6/2008 1:41:56 PM
A hard working family man wakes up at 5 am to make coffee, but wait he can't afford the watr to make the coffe let alone afford the coffee because liberals are passing silly a.s.s law that give more protection to a plant or animal than a person has. By passing such laws the price of evryday necessities sky rokcets. Clean water is not any cleaner then before but the price of is way higher, the same can be said for most things. Sure inflation plays a role but imagine not being able afford the simple things in life then having your taxes go to support people who can work but don't. Liberals are raise the price of many things and and using out tax dollars for free hand outs for the lazy. Liberals don't care anymore for your right then conservatives. Liberal want americans dependant upon the government, our tax dollars prove it. I have a cousin 2 years younger than I out of high school he didn't want to work, he was lazy. His mom, my aunt told him to apply for SSI because as a very young child he was ran over by a car in his driveway he had many many stitches. His mom suggested that he might be having some complications from that accident. He seen a doctor filled out the forms and within a few weeks was collecting SSI. This person was young and healthy , he should hvae been working but liberal program make it easy for people to sponge off the system.

ID cards should ne tamper proof and mandatory, living in a free society is not without it's pains but those pains are for the greater good.
 exodusi1

Joined: 8/19/2006
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Posted: 5/6/2008 2:17:57 PM
Leatherneck;

I recommend you read a book called the Jungle by Upton Sinclair.

If you think your food and water were better BEFORE Liberal intervention, you obviously know NOTHING about history!
 bob0colo

Joined: 4/9/2006
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Posted: 5/6/2008 2:25:31 PM
China has great air and water.....
 TradurGurl

Joined: 8/21/2007
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Posted: 5/6/2008 3:28:05 PM
And yet you mock "liberals" for concerning themselves with protecting the rights that we have.


I'd like my rights to free and honest elections -- that is protection from voter fraud.
That is the real topic of this thread.



 exodusi1

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Posted: 5/6/2008 3:53:51 PM
So, worry about illegal aliens voting, which at most might be 1 out of 100,000 votes or .0001%, while possibly eliminating real voters, at a clip of 1-2% minimum? That makes NO sense!

However, let Republicans continue to use electronic voting machines, or sue to stop the recount, or place three booths in a busy downtown station, while placing ten in a rich wealthy neighborhood, etc? Yes voter fraud is prevalent, but it isn't where you think it is. Illegal aliens DON'T vote!
 bob0colo

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Posted: 5/6/2008 3:59:34 PM
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protection from voter fraud.


I am sure you are concerned about past problems....




Nearly half of the 6 million American voters living abroad(3) never received their ballots -- or received them too late to vote(4) --
after the Pentagon unaccountably shut down a state-of-the-art Web site used to file overseas registrations.(5)
A consulting firm called Sproul & Associates, which was hired by the Republican National Committee to register voters in six battleground states,(6) was discovered shredding Democratic registrations.(7)
In New Mexico, which was decided by 5,988 votes,(8) malfunctioning machines mysteriously failed to properly register a presidential vote on more than 20,000 ballots.
(9) Nationwide, according to the federal commission charged with implementing election reforms, as many as 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting equipment -- roughly one for every 100 cast.(10)
Ohio, Officials purged tens of thousands of eligible voters from the rolls, neglected to process registration cards generated by Democratic voter drives, shortchanged Democratic precincts when they allocated voting machines and illegally derailed a recount that could have given Kerry the presidency.
A precinct in an evangelical church in Miami County recorded an impossibly high turnout of ninety-eight percent,
while a polling place in inner-city Cleveland recorded an equally impossible turnout of only seven percent

 exodusi1

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Posted: 5/6/2008 5:26:25 PM
Nuns with dated ID turned away at Ind. polls
Women, all in their 80's, 90's, showed up with old passports

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24490932/

Thank you Republicans!!! Way to keep us safe from those Octagenarian Nuns, who knows what kind of world we will have if they can vote!
 Crash1967

Joined: 6/2/2007
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Posted: 5/6/2008 5:33:24 PM

I'd like my rights to free and honest elections -- that is protection from voterfraud.
That is the real topic of this thread.


....alas we agree. But photo ID is not it.

So a solution? Damn, I hate pointing to a problem and not having a real answer. I can't help but think that we manage to pay our taxes fairly well and are not asked for an photo ID to make sure we do it. Is there an answer there?
 Schadenfreudian

Joined: 7/5/2007
Msg: 162
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Posted: 5/6/2008 5:34:17 PM
If you like the neo-fascist trend of poll-tax-cum-ID-card-validation, you'll love what Republicans have done with a nasty little trick called "caging voters." They brag about it, confess to it before Congress [who appear as stupefied about the term as the Lakota Sioux tribe when Lt. Dunbar says, "She's hurt!"] and coached each other on how to do it at RNC conferences.

Wow...two crimes for the price of one! Poll tax and caging! You gotta love the USA under the vicegrip of the GOP: they've dumbed us down so much, even our Congresspeeps are dumber than janitors on methadone.
 bob0colo

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Posted: 5/6/2008 6:18:06 PM

Poll tax and caging!



That is why it is so very important there be a HUGE turn out.......

Thousands of votes lost and Provisional Ballots can happen...

All these cry babies Screaming for the Primary to be over need to think about that......

The registration Is Giant...I think that is the best thing that can happen. Now to hold it together...

This next election is going to be a Battle.......
The money and the Power are not going to just go away...........

This ID thing is just a peek at things to come.......
The ruthless behavior we have seen scares the crap out of me......
 Schadenfreudian

Joined: 7/5/2007
Msg: 164
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Posted: 5/6/2008 7:27:13 PM
No wonder Americans expatriate at about 500,000 per year.
 exodusi1

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Posted: 5/6/2008 8:41:11 PM
Since poll taxes are unconstitutional, shouldn't the states that require IDs be forced to provide them for free? I think that should be the next step!
 a bit nomadic

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Posted: 5/6/2008 10:09:44 PM

A hard working family man wakes up at 5 am to make coffee, but wait he can't afford the watr to make the coffe let alone afford the coffee because liberals are passing silly a.s.s law that give more protection to a plant or animal than a person has.


Or maybe because of the skyrocketting cost of fuel?


By passing such laws the price of evryday necessities sky rokcets. Clean water is not any cleaner then before but the price of is way higher, the same can be said for most things.


Clean water is no cleaner than before when? Ever?


Sure inflation plays a role but imagine not being able afford the simple things in life then having your taxes go to support people who can work but don't.


Or....who can work but whose jobs have gone overseas because of.....?


I have a cousin 2 years younger than I out of high school he didn't want to work, he was lazy. His mom, my aunt told him to apply for SSI because as a very young child he was ran over by a car in his driveway he had many many stitches. His mom suggested that he might be having some complications from that accident. He seen a doctor filled out the forms and within a few weeks was collecting SSI. This person was young and healthy , he should hvae been working but liberal program make it easy for people to sponge off the system


It sounds to me like your aunt knew a doctor who made it easy for him to sponge off the system. Sadly, benefits administrators can't diagnose injuries.

But yes, people do commit benefits fraud. And that helps us with the question how?
 TradurGurl

Joined: 8/21/2007
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Posted: 5/6/2008 11:19:08 PM

Since poll taxes are unconstitutional, shouldn't the states that require IDs be forced to provide them for free? I think that should be the next step!


Please name one state that does not provide picture ID's for the "poor".

Those of us who can afford the miminal fees for drivers license or state ID's should pay for them. State budgets are already bursting at the seams trying frantically to cover all the other needs of the "poor" - including the cost of their ID" which they already most certainly DO have. They DO have them because they use them to:

collect food stamps, free housing, and other hand out programs,
buy beer, and in some case lottery tickets,
get jobs
drive and get auto insurance.

So, once again == please name EVEN ONE state that does not provide free ID's for the poor.

Also, since you are no doubt a liberal who believes in "redistrubtion of your wealth" to the "poor", please explain why those of us who are not poor are entitled to a free ID.
 TradurGurl

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Posted: 5/6/2008 11:22:06 PM

.... a gage I use to judge a political thing by..."what would Hitler do?"....


That's correct, Crash. As you remember Hitler was a champion of the "common man" , having come from a blue collar roots, himself.

Remember he cried out for the extinction of the Jews, who tended to be successful, with high personal standards, and good morals. Can you say KRISTAL NIGHT?
 a bit nomadic

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Posted: 5/6/2008 11:24:13 PM

Also, since you are no doubt a liberal who believes in "redistrubtion of your wealth" to the "poor", please explain why those of us who are not poor are entitled to a free ID.


Not to answer for Exodus....BUT, if the state requires holding these IDs for voting, and if they cost money to get, then that constitutes a poll tax....which is illegal.

Hmmmm..... I'm visualizing a banner.....some marching...... :)
 TradurGurl

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Posted: 5/6/2008 11:24:46 PM
So a solution? Damn, I hate pointing to a problem and not having a real answer.


So, right again, Crash. But, that is the mantra of all you liberals -- continual whining about all your perceived "injustices" but NEVER an answer to these "problems" you wish to address.

Just more bashing, name-calling, off-topic insults and other childish responses.

So, I'll just leave you all with this:

Once again -- The Supreme Court of this Land has spoken.

Now, I will say "good night" to you all as I leave you to more of your continued typical liberal behavior. I won't available again to view this thread again, because I have a life. And you don't deserve any more of my time.



WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court ruled Monday that states can require voters to produce photo identification without violating their constitutional rights, validating Republican-inspired voter ID laws.

In a splintered 6-3 ruling, the court upheld Indiana's strict photo ID requirement, which Democrats and civil rights groups said would deter poor, older and minority voters from casting ballots. Its backers said it was needed to prevent fraud.

It was the most important voting rights case since the Bush v. Gore dispute that sealed the 2000 election for George W. Bush. But the voter ID ruling lacked the conservative-liberal split that marked the 2000 case.

The law "is amply justified by the valid interest in protecting 'the integrity and reliability of the electoral process,'" Justice John Paul Stevens said in an opinion that was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Anthony Kennedy. Stevens was a dissenter in Bush v. Gore in 2000.

Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas also agreed with the outcome, but wrote separately.

Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter dissented, just as they did in 2000.

More than 20 states require some form of identification at the polls. Courts have upheld voter ID laws in Arizona, Georgia and Michigan, but struck down Missouri's. Monday's decision comes a week before Indiana's presidential primary.

The decision also could spur efforts to pass similar laws in other states.

Ken Falk, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana, said he hadn't reviewed the decision, but he was "extremely disappointed" by it. Falk has said voter ID laws inhibit voting, and a person's right to vote "is the most important right." The ACLU brought the case on behalf of Indiana voters.

The case concerned a state law, passed in 2005, that was backed by Republicans as a way to deter voter fraud. Democrats and civil rights groups opposed the law as unconstitutional and called it a thinly veiled effort to discourage elderly, poor and minority voters - those most likely to lack proper ID and who tend to vote for Democrats.

There is little history in Indiana of either in-person voter fraud - of the sort the law was designed to thwart - or voters being inconvenienced by the law's requirements. For the overwhelming majority of voters, an Indiana driver license serves as the identification.

"We cannot conclude that the statute imposes 'excessively burdensome requirements' on any class of voters," Stevens said.

Stevens' opinion suggests that the outcome could be different in a state where voters could provide evidence that their rights had been impaired.

But in dissent, Souter said Indiana's voter ID law "threatens to impose nontrivial burdens on the voting rights of tens of thousands of the state's citizens."

Scalia, favoring a broader ruling in defense of voter ID laws, said, "The universally applicable requirements of Indiana's voter-identification law are eminently reasonable. The burden of acquiring, possessing and showing a free photo identification is simply not severe, because it does not 'even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting.'"

Stevens said the partisan divide in Indiana, as well as elsewhere, was noteworthy. But he said that preventing fraud and inspiring voter confidence were legitimate goals of the law, regardless of who backed or opposed it.

Indiana provides IDs free of charge to the poor and allows voters who lack photo ID to cast a provisional ballot and then show up within 10 days at their county courthouse to produce identification or otherwise attest to their identity.

Stevens said these provisions also help reduce the burden on people who lack driver licenses.


Good Night, all! And -- oh yeah! -- Have a "nice" day!

 Crash1967

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Posted: 5/6/2008 11:38:02 PM
...and you will hear libs like me tell you the truth (and even disagree with each other in public!!), which is more than we're likely to get from you or those sticking to the talking points anytime soon.

...I usually do have an answer or I don't ****. In this case I don't see the problem to be all that huge compared to the stacking of courts which result in our presidents being brought/bought into office by the supreme court, but I do see tactics in manipulating who can vote which seem to favor those who have brought the country to its knees.....
 a bit nomadic

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Posted: 5/7/2008 1:02:31 AM
^^^ Well indeed, Crash.

TG:
Now, I will say "good night" to you all as I leave you to more of your continued typical liberal behavior. I won't available again to view this thread again, because I have a life. And you don't deserve any more of my time.


Well okeydokey. We'll miss ya. Nighty night. Enjoy your typical conservative behavior.... (wait, is that possible?)
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 5/7/2008 1:18:54 AM

So, right again, Crash. But, that is the mantra of all you liberals -- continual whining about all your perceived "injustices" but NEVER an answer to these "problems" you wish to address.


While conservatives don't even acknowledge the problem, or simply blame the victim.

or better yet, give "simple answers to complex problems" that make them worse, and then leave the liberals to pick up the pieces when it all falls apart.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/7/2008 3:57:31 AM
Well I haven't read all 7 pages, but maybe the reason they want everyone to show I.D. at the polls is so they can make sure that none of the servicepeople that Bush denied a vote are trying to sneak in.
 exodusi1

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Posted: 5/7/2008 6:21:34 AM
Wow, where to begin?

First; The United States Supreme Court is NOT perfect, and never as been. The Supreme Court Justices are human! Therefore; they have the same imprefections that we do! Two examples that most Constitutioal Historians agree were mistakes are the Dread Scott case and Al Gore v the State of Florida decisions. One allowed the injustice of slavery to continue, the other was a case where the Supreme Court ruled, where they had no jurisdiction. (Voting is a State right, not a Federal one, hence the SCOTUS has no jurisdiction, it requires a Constitutional Amendment to put any part of voting within the Federal perview)

Second; The difference between neo-cons and Liberals, is tat Liberals tend to understand their position and try hard to NOT be hyppocritical. For instance: we don't like abortion, because it is a horrible thing. So, we work HARD to reduce abortions by providing assistance so the baby can be born (welfare), or provide government assistance so the baby can be adopted if born. Republicans, who say they hate abortion, will demand the baby be born, but don't really care if the baby has food (food stamps), shelter (welfare), clothing, education (they hate the Dept of Education and or Public Schools). In other words, love the fetus, forget the child! That is what we call hypocracy!

Third; A poll tax is Unconstitutional! The 24th Amendment forbids any poll tax. It is unconstitutional for there to be any fee associated with the right to vote. Therefore, no state requiring a photo ID can legally charge for said ID, regardless of ability to pay, or it will constitute a poll tax.




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