| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/1/2008 9:47:20 PM |
Why is a quantity life better than a quality life? I don't think anyone believes you should have a lower quality of life. It's just a matter of what the definition of quality is. Obviously, you define it in drinking, smoking, fornicating, etc. I define my quality of life by skating, bicycling, motorcycling, hiking, etc. OH....and fornicating, but just with one person. Dealing with more than one guy at a time would distress me to no end and thus really lower my quality of life. | |
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/1/2008 10:47:33 PM |
Nicotiana tabacum generates systemic immune responses and provides protection against
Y. pestis.
Mucosal immunity is a very useful barrier to infection by respiratory viral pathogens.
http://www.ccsu.edu/counseling/New/smoking/lung_infectioin.htm
Smoking any substance- tobacco, marijuana, or crack- increases a smoker's risk of developing bacterial pneumonia and other infections of the lungs, according to the findings of drug abuse, smoking and health and AIDS researchers.
Bzzzt. | |
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/2/2008 11:57:05 PM | Hoop thank you for doing the research.
Being raised in a small community. I noticed athma was on the rise. More were from a non smoking family. One family all 4 kids have it.
Just paying attention to the news. When it bradcasts a air borne virus out break in a city or town.
There could be other things that could have been removed from the air. Possiablay (SP) Secondhand smoke is the major one. | |
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/3/2008 12:02:51 AM | Gee Charles, looks as if the research I found, directly contradicts the research you found, but thanks for reposting mine.
First you'd have to post some research not just smokers denial ism. Hoop you're classic, you always like to make these huge claims that if somebody doesn't believe in your pet conspiracy theory they must not have done any readings. Meanwhile the tobacco industry has admitted that smoking is bad for you, and you of course defend the practice, because you're a smoker.
You're using the same thinking as you do with anything else, you've decided emotionally and now run around seeking justifications.
Being raised in a small community. I noticed athma was on the rise. More were from a non smoking family. One family all 4 kids have it.
Just paying attention to the news. When it bradcasts a air borne virus out break in a city or town.
There could be other things that could have been removed from the air. Possiablay (SP) Secondhand smoke is the major one.
I'm not sure what Athma is, but when I looked up a word that is almost spelled the same way...
It's for children so hopefully you can understand..
http://kidshealth.org/teen/drug_alcohol/tobacco/smoking_asthma.html
If Other People Smoke
Even if you don't smoke, you may still run into smoky situations in restaurants, parties, or even at home if one of your family members smokes. Secondhand smoke is a known asthma trigger, so you'll want to avoid it as much as possible if you have asthma.
If you hang out with smokers or have a family member who smokes in the house, you are likely to have more frequent and severe asthma symptoms. You may have to take more medicine and your asthma may be harder to control. Finally, you may find yourself at the doctor's office or emergency department more often because of asthma symptoms.
There's not much you can do about other people's behavior, but you should let your friends and family know that what they are doing is making your asthma worse. Ask them not to smoke in your house or car. It's your air, after all. | |
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/3/2008 12:17:57 AM | Msg23
Frankly from your spelling and reasoning abilities it's pretty apparent that you don't put much stock in things like education, knowledge, or intelligence. It's probably not worth having any further discussion with you. If a person can't acknowledge that smoking is in fact bad for them despite massive scientific evidence, they're obviously too stupid to be convinced by a chat discussion.
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Being raised in a small community. I noticed athma was on the rise. More were from a non smoking family. One family all 4 kids have it.
Just paying attention to the news. When it bradcasts a air borne virus out break in a city or town.
There could be other things that could have been removed from the air. Possiablay (SP) Secondhand smoke is the major one.
I'm not sure what Athma is, but when I looked up a word that is almost spelled the same way...
I am not be the geartest spleler in the wolrd. I was tauhgt in whole langauge. So jsut tkae yuor salmmnig of my seplling and not commet on it. Unless it the only intellegent information that you can supply.
It's for children so hopefully you can understand.
If it for the children. Then pedoifles sex offeneder should never be released from jail. EVER
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/3/2008 12:29:31 AM | Those all sound like things that would make you feel sick and make you not enjoy your last few years. Other than the fornicating it sounds like you would be weak, tired miserable and aged before your time...
By not enjoying the last few years I mean feeling sick and decrepit at fifty instead of still walking and smiling at 75. | |
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/3/2008 12:52:43 PM | THE major causes of air pollution are :
carbon dioxide
carbon monoxide
nitrogen oxides
sulfur dioxide
Where do these come from ? The burning of fossil fuels.
#1 criminal of burning fossil fuels ? Believe it or not, vehicular transportation.
So, logic tells me the transport industry is most likely to be the culprit behind respiratory diseases. Everything else just adds more fuel to the fire (pun intended).
Anyone willing to get rid of their car ? Why not ? By driving your kids around all day to their extracurricular activities, you're one of the major contributors to air pollution... and thus directly killing thousands of people everyday. Pretty ugly when you look at it from a bird's eyeview, isn't it ?
# 2 criminal of burning fossil fuels ? Industry. (ie: coal burning factories)
Stomping on the little things (ie: occasional exposure to cigarette smoke) instead of the base root can be compared to something like this : Busting a small-time drug dealer in an attempt to stop drug trafficking and not going after the manufacturer/grower (main source) of the narcotic instead.
No, we don't want to do that.... That would make too much sense wouldn't it ?
Burning fossil fuels is big money. Really big money. Supply and demand is growing the industry ten fold as every day passes. So don't hold your breath (pun intended) for it to end anytime soon. And fantasizing that eliminating cigarette smoke, amidst other minor offences, is going to irradicate things like lung cancer is truly a pipe dream. Remember, the majority of society were smokers prior to the sixties... and there were far less documented cases of respiratory diseases then. Hmmm, now how can that be I wonder ? Population growth ? Nahhhh.
I think I'll pour myself a whisky, puff on a cigarette, eat a big fat greasy burger, and let my car warm up for a while in my driveway... since I'm going to an early grave anyways, what the hell.
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/6/2008 10:34:45 PM |
So, logic tells me the transport industry is most likely to be the culprit behind respiratory diseases. Everything else just adds more fuel to the fire (pun intended).
Considering smokers make up the VAST majority of cancer cases while being the minority of the population, it's pretty obvious that the transport industry actually adds fuel to the SMOKERS fire. | |
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/6/2008 10:59:42 PM |
why is over eating/smoking/drinking/drugs/fornicating with people you hardly know considered bad?
They aren't bad at all. You should indulge yourself whenever you can, in any way that pleases you. Just make sure my name is listed as beneficiary on your life insurance. And keep up the premiums, please. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 11:05:40 AM |
Considering smokers make up the VAST majority of cancer cases while being the minority of the population, it's pretty obvious that the transport industry actually adds fuel to the SMOKERS fire.
Hmm.... guess I'd have to see some current source statistical data on that declaration of yours, charles. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 6:10:33 PM | Oops, I should be more clear, I meant lung cancer, one of the worst in terms of outcomes.
But here is the relevant stat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3264122
We have used population-based data for the state of New Mexico to calculate cigarette-smoking-specific incidence rates for lung cancer, cumulative incidence rates for lung cancer, and estimates of the proportion of lung cancer cases attributable to smoking. For white New Mexicans, the incidence of lung cancer increased with age and was markedly higher in smokers than in nonsmokers. From 25 through 84 yr of age, the cumulative incidence of lung cancer was 0.9% in nonsmoking males and 0.5% in nonsmoking females. The cumulative incidence rates were much higher for smokers; for males who smoked 20 or more cigarettes daily from age 25, the cumulative risk of lung cancer through age 84 was 31.7%. For females with the same cigarette smoking history, the estimate of cumulative incidence through age 84 years was 15.3%. The population-attributable risks for lung cancer associated with cigarette smoking were 89.5% for males and 85.5% for females.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/cancer
What are the effects of cigarette smoking on cancer rates?
Cigarette smoking causes 87 percent of lung cancer deaths (1). Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death in both men and women (3). Smoking is also responsible for most cancers of the larynx, oral cavity and pharynx, esophagus, and bladder. In addition, it is a cause of kidney, pancreatic, cervical, and stomach cancers (2, 4), as well as acute myeloid leukemia (2).
not to say that there are not non smoking causes of cancer, but a lot of them are small change compared to smoking (especially in regards to lung cancer) | |
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/8/2008 7:07:04 PM | Cigarette smoking causes 87 percent of lung cancer deaths
Yes, and it peaks at age 79. 79!! They are garnering these stats all the way to age 84. How long is one expected to live if one does NOT smoke? There are no 20,30,40 year olds dying from smoking. There are plenty of 50,60,70 year olds dying from a myriad of self-inflicted causes. Smoking happens to be one of them, of course.
Example: A 79 year old smoker is dying of lung cancer in a hospice.
His 82 year old non-smoking roommate is dying of prostate cancer.
Who wins? BOTH. The both surpassed the average lifespan.
One thing is for sure....the smoker surely did not lose. He just did not live a few more years longer in order to die from some other agonising affliction, like his roommate, that old age brings. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 8:11:21 PM | I don't disagree that cigarettes increase a person's chance of getting lung cancer. But why is it that more people are dying of lung cancer and/or respiratory diseases than ever before ? Every statistic has said this loud and clear. Particularly cases of asthma and bronchitis in children.
We know for fact that air quality (indoor and outdoor) is ridiculously out of control. Asthma is rising on average 50% every decade. Which by the way, these research institutes claim they can't figure out why the hell that's the case. Uh..... 
The four people (non-family members) that I know who died of lung cancer or other related diseases never smoked a day in their lives, nor were they prone to a lot of second-hand smoke. I have an 84 year-old great aunt who's been smoking 2 packs a day since her teen years and still dances the tango. My 77 year-old great uncle has been a fulltime pipe smoker since he was in his 20's. Both of them have outlived the other 12 siblings who never smoked, ever. My mom has been a pack a day smoker all her life and is pushing 70 years of age and is in great health. Every family member that has died of cancer were ALL non-smokers.
I've been smoking for 26 years (not to mention the fact that I've been exposed to second-hand smoke since childhood) and can't remember the last time I had a bad cold or flu. And yet all the non-smokers at my work are forever sick, hacking up a lung all winter, taking antibiotics, and missing time from work. And I'm the unhealthy one who's slowly dying ?!
I know 5 men who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer all in the last 6 years, until then I had never known anyone with prostate cancer. Each one of these guys are what you call "rabbit food eating exercise health nuts".
Go figure ?
My life motto : Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention to arrive in an attractive and well preserved body... but rather to skid in sideways… champagne in one hand and strawberries in the other… body thoroughly used up… totally worn out… and screaming : “ WOOHOO what a ride !! ”
Hmm.... perhaps my blackened tar-filled lungs have made me immune to the crappy indoor/outdoor air pollutants ?  | |
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/9/2008 6:35:58 AM | Well it is ethically bad because yes, it is destroying your body little by little. Fornicating is actually healthy for you but yea. Too much leads to pregnancy and many other difficulties we don't want to face. It's considered bad because taking care of your body is better for you. Over eating will make you fat. Smoking will eventually lead to lung cancer.
Even if the healthiest people died today, they would know that they live their life their fullest. They know that when they were somehow dumped into this earth, they kept their body alive enough to perform the tasks necessary to live, help, and whatnot.
In reality, you can question life to a point where you no longer can find a reason to live. We eat, we sleep, we do whatever we do to maintain our body but what's the point? What is the point of doing all of that if your deeds aren't actually lived up to because you'll die anyway? Rather than questioning our motives and actions to a point where we stop working, we should take actions, make mistakes and move on. I know philosophically, this is not a pleasing way of life. However, that is how we work.
Our mind and body are linked somehow, and the mind will falter without the body and the body will falter without the mind. In order to maintain or improve our mind, we must in turn improve our bodies as well. That's what my thoughts are. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 7:29:55 AM | op, as this is in the science/philosophy forums....i just wish to say that there are many philosophers along spiritual lines that say it is not a question of 'good' and 'bad' - that those judgements are human constructions and do not exist in 'reality' (and i am ducking now for i am sure that will sound very controversial for many).
nevertheless, they say instead of good and bad, really we are working within a system of, 'what works' and 'what doesn't'....
so it is a matter of choices being made individually, as well as by humanity as a whole.
perhaps these ideas will shed light on yours. | |
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/9/2008 10:31:16 AM | They're keeping us informed and if people want to live 'healthily' or 'unhealthily' they can make that choice.
They tell you so that the 'self preservation' element inside you might encourage you to stop drinking excessively/smoking/eating too much crap etc.
WHY ??????????? here's one logical explanation.
The government encourage you to eat healthily/exercise etc so that, chances are, you will cost them less in the long run.
If you have a country full of fat people, in 'civilized' countries, you might have a health service and the more people needing operations on their hearts or the more people needing treatment.. the more money they have to spend on these people.
The more people smoke.... the more people have to be treated for cancer. Both smokers AND NON smokers. MORE MONEY.
People drinking alcohol....
The more binge drinking goes on......... the greater the chances of violence.... Vandalism, More police Friday night hospital admissions ... stitches, bandages, stomach pumps, replacement windows more tasers etc.. More MONEY.
More people will also be suffering from liver damage.. more hospitalisations .. More and more MONEY.
Defective children borne of drunk mothers... care workers... treatment more.. more.. MORE MONEY.
The cheapest thing the government can do is to advertise health....NOT to STOP people from dying, but to reduce the chances of them having fork out loads of money to look after you.
I think it all comes down to MONEY
As a side effect..(luckily) they have to look after people because we can't really do that ourselves and because we can't picture the damage we do to ourselves and others by smoking (for example) they have to tell us to make us aware.
Many people still ignore it because........
There's no immediate effect of (for example) binge drinking on our livers.
So we think... "Sod it.. i can cope" and carry on
Then they get admitted to hospital with serious liver damage and the docs say "If you drink again, you will die"
Then it hits home.
We can't take care of ourselves so they do it for us....
BUT their main aim is to save money..... and it's all based on mathematical probability.
Logical deduction.... so it's just my opinion. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 3:28:13 PM | In response to Ancient Muse's post
I agree that cancer is on the rise in the overall population, and in my family, too, the nonsmokers have faired far worse than the smokers; however, I still don't smoke because my mom (who never smoked or drank ) died of cancer at 42 and it's possible that I inherited the gene that made her susceptible to cancer. My dad smoked until he was in his 60s. He's now 83 and still going strong. Hopefully I got his genes, but I'm not taking a chance by tempting faith. Not that I never do anything bad, I just don't make a habit out of anything
I also have a theory about the religiously fanatical health nuts who never touch anything bad for them: they're so stressed about everything "getting them" that they make themselves susceptible to disease. You have to chill out and enjoy life sometimes...I love your life moto. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 5:16:03 PM |
But why is it that more people are dying of lung cancer and/or respiratory diseases than ever before ? Every statistic has said this loud and clear
Back to money.
Businesses that create the pollution make lots of money for the economy.
It would not be good for the economy to tell them to go green and go green now. It all costs lots and lots of .....yes...... you guessed it... money.
But getting people to stop smoking (for example) costs less than having to treat the extra cases of lung cancer that smoke causes.
I don't know how you can reduce the chances of getting prostate cancer... but you can reduce (not eliminate) the chances of lung cancer by stopping smoking.
It's probability and chance. That's one of the ways they come up with the idea that smoking is bad for you.
I don't know but chances are that for every 3 non smokers you know who died of lung cancer, somewhere else, 10 smokers died of lung cancer..... otherwise they wouldn't suggest that more people died from smoking than not and they'd be happy to sell cigarettes as they can make lots of tax money from tobacco companies.
It's money
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Posted: 5/10/2008 1:20:14 AM | I agree to do what makes you happy as long as it doesn't affect others in a negative way. When they say those things are 'bad' it's always in a medical sense and when we talk medical, the longer you live is considered the better.
I don't think anything could be bad if it truly makes you happy and you feel it improves your life. Even if it doesn't really... hey ignorance is bliss. | |
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| Why do people think the bad stuff is bad for you?
Posted: 5/10/2008 7:39:58 AM | Health is acheiving goals which contribute to a minimal level of happiness. Playing chess might make us feel happy, and so its a good thing. Sex might make us feel happy and so its a good thing. But sex without protection, or using heroin will ultimately not make us happy, as we will become disabled or dead. So only acts which ultimately will contribute to our happiness are justified. Those which contribute to our death or disabilty, either now or in the future, are stupid.
Lets make the distinction here between the moutaineer who faces CALCULATED risk and whose goal is to overcome those odds by THINKING and PLANNING, and the 17 year old nutbar who likes to street race without regard to his safety. One is going to make us a better person, the other is going to hurt us in the end. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 5:49:37 PM | The four people (non-family members) that I know who died of lung cancer or other related diseases never smoked a day in their lives, nor were they prone to a lot of second-hand smoke. I have an 84 year-old great aunt who's been smoking 2 packs a day since her teen years and still dances the tango. My 77 year-old great uncle has been a fulltime pipe smoker since he was in his 20's. Both of them have outlived the other 12 siblings who never smoked, ever. My mom has been a pack a day smoker all her life and is pushing 70 years of age and is in great health. Every family member that has died of cancer were ALL non-smokers.
Anecdotal evidence, you asked for the statistics, I gave them to you, now you're simply disregarding them because they don't fit you world view.
Fine. Just acknowledge you don't really care about reality and be done with it, keep blaming non smoking sources if it makes you feel better, the reality is over 80% of lung cancers are caused by smoking.
Finally.
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/lung/incidence/
Lung cancer is DOWN specifically for the population group that has reduced it's smoking the greatest, namely men in first world countries. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 6:42:11 PM |
Anecdotal evidence, you asked for the statistics, I gave them to you, now you're simply disregarding them because they don't fit you world view.
What am I disregarding ? Your New Mexico statistics ? Anecdotal evidence anyone ? Statistics stating the obvious... that non-smokers chances drop by camparison to smokers ? Wow, how educationally informative of you. Never would have known this otherwise.... whew, thank goodness Charles is here to educate us.
How about overall statistics showing how respiratory diseases have dropped since the majority of the populace has quit smoking ? Specific statistics showing how general population respiratory health has improved. Afterall, weren't you the one that claimed :
"Considering smokers make up the VAST majority of cancer cases while being the minority of the population, it's pretty obvious that the transport industry actually adds fuel to the SMOKERS fire."
Because it looks to me like you're actually trying to lay the blame on cigarette smoke for being the main cause of bad indoor/outdoor air and not the burning of fossil fuels. So, like I said before charles.... I'd like to see the statistical data that supports this claim of yours.
Statistics showing how non-smokers are less likely to get lung cancer vs smokers in New Mexico is a non sequitur to what you stated above, obviously.
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