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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 4/30/2008 1:11:26 PM | At least try to have some knowledge of what you're having 'an opinion' on
Msg 15...
I was joking about being a Daily Sport reader but accept your point about
having knowledge of a subject if your going to make an opinion on any given topic.
I'm strongly against all drugs having seen the damage they can do to people at
close hand and seen good friends become almost zombie like through years of
smoking illegal substances which have ruined their lives and their families......
Thats all I'm saying on the matter now except address the topic not the poster in future please.... | |
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 4/30/2008 1:15:39 PM | | He was like a father to me, I first tried his products 16 or so years ago ! What a nice man :) LOL, he made LSD instead of developing the Atomic Bomb ! Well done that man :p | |
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 4/30/2008 1:55:26 PM | | I'm sure it has been consumed for centuries before him. Some ancient tribes eat foods which have psychadelic effects, some of them may contain LSD. They do this for rituals. | |
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 4/30/2008 1:57:27 PM |
I was joking about being a Daily Sport reader but accept your point about
having knowledge of a subject if your going to make an opinion on any given topic.
I'm strongly against all drugs having seen the damage they can do to people at
close hand and seen good friends become almost zombie like through years of
smoking illegal substances which have ruined their lives and their families......
I am alsways happy to respond sensibly to sensible debate.
It's of course your choice for your reasons to feel as you do about drugs.
What I dislike though is the general knee jerk reaction against them for repsonsible (ex) users such as myself.
I have used drugs, socially, and have no more made a fool of myself than I would fall in a gutter having consumed 10 pints.
Be it alcohol or illegal drugs, the drug is not the problem, the person using it is. Many people drink responsibly and cause no problem, many binge and cost me lots of tax money for extra policing.
It is awful to see anyone lose control of themselves for any reason, be it drugs (alcohol included) or some mental problem, but I would not then use this to say NO ONE should pursue their chosen lifestyle. | |
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 4/30/2008 2:17:54 PM | I've always heard it's a myth and well the effects aren't really like that giving you the idea you can fly.
Well, i've never taken LSD (or anything like it) & I'm going flying tomorrow after work. | |
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 4/30/2008 2:54:55 PM | | Must say I totally agree with message 29 I don't take anything anymore and haven't for a while but have some great memories with no Ill effects. It's totally down the person and in my opinion the reasons. If your using them to escape from problems and real life I can see how people end up in a bad place. But the same can be said for alcohol or anything. | |
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 4/30/2008 2:58:39 PM | He discovered it by accident!!!
While re-synthesizing LSD, he accidentally absorbed a small quantity through his fingertips [3] and serendipitously discovered its powerful effects before his bicycle ride home. Three days later, on April 19, Hofmann deliberately consumed 250 micrograms of LSD. This was followed by a series of self-experiments conducted by Hofmann and his colleagues. He first wrote about these experiments on April 22 of that year.
I have tried LSD a few times, it's a very spiritual drug, not dangerous if used correctly. Because it pushes boundries between the concious and unconiuos mind people who have psycologogical problems should avoid. LSD is a wonderful drug and halucinegens have been used since humans began walking.
RIP - Albert Hoffman you gave the world a wonderful gift | |
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 4/30/2008 3:36:38 PM | [For the recored for the UK
1994 and 1996 death rate.
1994 1996
Heroin 80 187
Methadone 259 357
Temazepan 165 95
Amphetamin 20 29
Cocaine/Crack 21 15
Ecstasy 23 12
Cannabis 12 4
LSD 1 0
On the other hand.........
Alcohol 4,235
Tobacco 120.000
Peanuts 7
Viagra 7
so more people die from eating a peanut than LSD ]
Your right, I wasnt going to say it to encourage drug misuse but in table published by the Royal Society Of Chemistry listing drugs in order of their harmfulness, LSD was the least harmful. Ive never taken it, and dont endorse taking illegal drugs but just giving the facts lol. | |
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 4/30/2008 5:17:43 PM | > my question is did Albert Hofmann "invent" LSD or did he "discover" it?
Both.
He first synthesized it 1938, the 25th such compound made in the series of chemical derivations (hence the name LSD-25) they were conducting. But tests on animals didn't reveal anything like what they were either expecting or looking for at the time, so they set the compound aside and went on to others, though they did note parenthetically that some of the animals seemed "restless".
Five years later, while thinking about the problems his section at Sandoz was working on, he was again drawn to the chemical, based on its molecular structure and its similarity in that regard to some other compounds with known therapeutic properties. Hofmann's supposition (scientific intuition) was that there just had to be something to LSD, so he wanted to look at it again.
It was during the re-synthesis that the effects for which it is now famous were discovered by accident. [i.e., x Tyler Durden x above is correct.] But this might not have happened if LSD was only half as powerful as it is, or maybe if Hofmann hadn't have been sensitive enough to notice the slight dizziness he experienced, or he could have just written it off to having inhaled solvent vapors around the lab, etc., etc. There are lots of possibilities and no one can say what would have happened if he then hadn't deliberately then experimented with a larger dose (though one he still thought was miniscule).
> LSD doesn't have to be made. Magic mushrooms, and the Eargot fungus on wheat contain LSD.
No. Neither ergot fungus, nor any other living thing which has been found, contains LSD. Ergot contains compounds (such as ergotamine) from which LSD is synthesized -- except that they are all illegal (or very tightly controlled). LSD is thus a semi-synthetic. It does not occur in nature. It's chemical structure does bear some resemblance to that of psilocybin (the principle active compound in magic mushrooms), which Hofmann was the first to elucidate the chemical structure of and then synthesize from scratch.
There are several compounds which can be extracted from ergot (or made simply from compounds which can be extracted from it) that are in therapeutic use, and when taken at something like 100 times their normal dose some can have effects somewhat like LSD, but the side effects are usually severe (up to and including hospitalization, etc.) -- which is why eating ergot infested grains was called "ergot poisoning".
One of these horrible side effects is "dry gangrene". Basically, ones extremities turn black and fall off. Kinda like what happens with really severe frostbite, though it sounds even worse. At some point medicine had progressed to the point where it was recognized that what was happening was a drastic reduction in circulation (as happens with frostbite), which could be a Good Thing if the amount could be controlled, say to reduce bleeding during major surgery. Tincture of ergot had been used by midwives during childbirth, evidently to control bleeding (and based on trial-and-error and intuition). It was these sorts of effects on peripheral circulation which led Hofmann to the investigation of ergot compounds and their derivatives in the first place. I believe at least one of these is still in regular use in hospitals.
Hofmann was arguably one of the 19th century's great scientists. I'm glad he live a long, productive, and happy life. He will be remembered a long time.
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 4/30/2008 11:15:37 PM | YOu are right bro.. I had a few trips in the past.. And never thought I could fly.. I think if anything should be banned it should be booze.
Yes I agree it can cause psychologcal problems.. but to me no more than other drugs (including booze)..
I used to be a "hippy" at the age of 17.. My last trip made me change my life.. While I was sitting looking at my scruffy clothes etc.. made me think why not change and be smart and conform with society.. get a job etc.. If I had not had that trip I do honestly think I would be a tramp now.. However thanks to LSD.. I am a smart, Good Looking, Handsome, Intelligent and Successful Man.. and very modest too..
PS: SMASH THE BNP - who spread lies and will do and say anything to get in power. Dont be fooled by them! Dont be a Clown! | |
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 5/1/2008 12:03:55 AM | Never tried LSD, never fancied being diagnosed with schizophrenia as a side effect of taking the stuff....maybe that's just me being stuffy and old fashioned but drugs have never been something that has tempted me in any way.. | |
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 5/1/2008 5:10:49 AM | A great man to have brought us this wonderful substance, a shame it isn't freely available in a clean form. He had more vision than a vast amount of politicans.
Wish you could grow LSD on wheat, i'd have bought myself a field and a tractor a long time ago. Shrooms have a slightly different form of hallucinogine in.
Most tribes use hallucinagenics the Britons the Celts and the Scandinavians used the fly agaric mushroom extensively and it is therefore part of British heritage.
Hence its as natural as herbal tea for us to do acid. | |
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| Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD dies age 102
Posted: 5/1/2008 5:35:44 AM | RIP Mr Hoffmann.
We tend to forget how much LSD has changed our societal norms. Without it, who can say whether artists like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones would have come to prominence as they did?
It has also had a significant input into many and varied other areas of the building of our society as it now stands. (particularly in the fields of invention and radical thinking).
As has been said, hallucinogenics are used by many societies around the globe, and have been since records began.
Not all drugs are bad for all people, you know. | |
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