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Posted: 5/4/2008 7:54:01 AM | I am trying to talk to you about peace and all you want to talk about is silly rediculus conspiracy theories. Mind if I join in. 'thebestguyinhere' has just put the final piece of the whole jigsaw in place for you.
I know for a fact that the treacle miners we have here in Cornwall all went missing the night before the attack on the WTC. When they all turned up the following day they were all late for work as they had to go get new hacksaw blades for their saws.
Now tell me this, now you know that the steel structures had been pre cut to 30' lengths, and you know that when 50 treacle minders stand one on top of the other they are 30' tall, and then you see them all changing their hacksaw blades the following day, is it not all the proof you need to accept that they spent night September 10th sawing through the internal steel structures ready for the next days attack.
You all need to have a go on some smelling salts my friends, your getting hysterical. Consider yourself well and truly slapped across the face. Calm down children, | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 8:43:57 AM | Conspiracy nuts???
For the full article... http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/timeline.htm
Richard M. Dolan studied at Alfred University and Oxford University before completing his graduate work in history at the University of Rochester, where he was a finalist for a Rhodes scholarship. Dolan studied U.S. Cold War strategy, Soviet history and culture, and international diplomacy. He has written about "conspiracy" in the following way:
The very label [conspiracy] serves as an automatic dismissal, as though no one ever acts in secret. Let us bring some perspective and common sense to this issue.
The United States comprises large organizations - corporations, bureaucracies, "interest groups," and the like - which are conspiratorial by nature. That is, they are hierarchical, their important decisions are made in secret by a few key decision-makers, and they are not above lying about their activities. Such is the nature of organizational behavior. "Conspiracy," in this key sense, is a way of life around the globe.
Within the world's military and intelligence apparatuses, this tendency is magnified to the greatest extreme. During the 1940s, [...] the military and its scientists developed the world's most awesome weapons in complete secrecy...
Anyone who has lived in a repressive society knows that official manipulation of the truth occurs daily. But societies have their many and their few. In all times and all places, it is the few who rule, and the few who exert dominant influence over what we may call official culture. - All elites take care to manipulate public information to maintain existing structures of power. It's an old game.
America is nominally a republic and free society, but in reality an empire and oligarchy, vaguely aware of its own oppression, within and without. I have used the term "national security state" to describe its structures of power. It is a convenient way to express the military and intelligence communities, as well as the worlds that feed upon them, such as defense contractors and other underground, nebulous entities. Its fundamental traits are secrecy, wealth, independence, power, and duplicity.
Nearly everything of significance undertaken by America's military and intelligence community in the past half-century has occured in secrecy. The undertaking to build an atomic weapon, better known as the Manhattan Project, remains the great model for all subsequent activities. For more than two years, not a single member of Congress even knew about it although its final cost exceeded two billion dollars. | |
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| What to do with the Twin Towers rubble
Posted: 5/4/2008 5:36:24 PM | Personally, I think the best thing to do would be to simply rebuild both towers. Update the plans to todays building standards, but have them look exactly as they did before. It's a very simple message that the terrorists will have no lasting impact whatsoever.
CountIbli: I would like you to answer this question for me, about building #7. It was a conventional steel reinforced structure. How could asymmetrical damage from falling debris and fire weakening cause a nearly perfectly symmetrical collapse into the buildings own footprint? It seems to me that asymmetrical damage should have lead to an asymmetrical, or simply partial, collapse. It simply doesn't add up, and no amount of conspiracy theory labels can change that. | |
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Posted: 5/4/2008 6:18:26 PM | I can sense a thread deletion coming up 
If you do a search for 'freedom tower' you will see the future plans for ground zero.
Do you know that if you dropped a slab of re-enforced concrete the size of a typical floor from the height of the twin tower it would shatter into tiny pieces, not pulverise to dust as all 220 floors apparantly did. Slightly strange don't you think? | |
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Posted: 5/5/2008 5:22:20 AM | It would seem that I have fallen into the trap of listening to the childish and immature conspiracy theorists and their skewed reality.
You are building a freedom tower on Ground Zero. Thank you America. I should have known better than to doubt you. My sincere apologies to you one and all.
Can I assume the nonsence they told me about your war dead trapped in the rubble is also untrue?. I didn't see anything in that link which talked about using the rubble to build with or any plans for dealing with the rubble containing your loved ones. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 7:21:01 AM | Mr Eve
It seems that you have been missing for the last 6.5 years or disinterested until now.
Did you not hear the news that bone fragments had been found on the roof top of a neighbouring building in 2006. Did you not hear the news about the rubble being used to fill pot holes?.
It seems a bit odd that you're making naive comment about things that are somewhat common knowledge amongst those who care to take an interest.
Maybe if you read up a little, find some facts out for yourself then you might not find other peoples opinions quite so childish. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 5:05:05 PM | I must say, "Religion of Eve" -- it has been interesting reading this thread the
past few days. I have not had an opportunity to respond until now, but I am
compelled to.
First of all, before calling us conspiracy nuts, I highly suggest you order and
read any of the following books by David Ray Griffin:
9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press
http://www.amazon.com/11-Contradictions-Letter-Congress-Press/dp/1566567165/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210203843&sr=8-1
Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other
Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Mechanics-Defenders-Conspiracy/dp/156656686X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210203843&sr=8-2
The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions
http://www.amazon.com/11-Commission-Report-Omissions-Distortions/dp/1566565847/ref=pd_bbs_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210203843&sr=8-4
The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the
Bush Administration and 9/11
http://www.amazon.com/New-Pearl-Harbor-Disturbing-Administration/dp/1566565529/ref=pd_bbs_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210203843&sr=8-3
Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action
http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Faith-Truth-Behind-Reflection/dp/0664231179/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210203843&sr=8-5
You mention that the airplanes caused the buildings to fall. How do you explain
the collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7? It was NOT hit by
a plane, yet collapsed neatly into its own footprint at about 5:20pm the afternoon
of 9/11/01.
http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html
There were a few fires in the building, and it had been partially damaged by the fall
of the towers - but NOTHING compared to Buildings 3/4/5. How do you explain
a uniform collapse of a 47-story building in 6.5 seconds? One would think if part
of the building was damaged, then maybe that part would collapse. But just watch
the videos above, and explain to me how that could NOT be a controlled demolition.
As far as the Twin Towers, each of them collapsed in under 10 seconds, which is
nearly free-fall speed. We were told that it was a "pancake collapse". A pancake
collapse would mean that a floor would have fell to the lower floor, initiating that
floor to collapse. To have 110 stories pancake, you're looking at a minimum of
45 seconds or more likely 90 seconds for a pancake collapse. How did both buildings
manage to collapse in under 10 seconds without explosives?
I highly recommend this video - 911 Mysteries:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871&q=911+mysteries&ei=_z0iSIzBA6PQ4ALHv8W0AQ
Regarding human remains at the site... As late as 2006, bone fragments were found
on the top of the Deutsch Bank building:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/08/AR2006090800924_pf.html
Included in the above article is the following:
Eventually, more than 20,000 parts were collected as the debris was excavated,
sifted and carted away. Many were recovered at a second site, the former garbage
dump in Staten Island where debris was hauled and combed again.
Some families, officials and experts are suing the city in federal court, alleging
negligence and violation of their religious rights because the sifted leftovers - more
than 1 million tons - are still at the landfill.
They believe there are human remains entombed next to New York City's trash,
and are asking the court to order the removal of the debris. Mayor Michael
Bloomberg contends it was adequately examined and would cost too much to relocate.
"Sift it again, or if you don't want to take the trouble, just remove and bury it
elsewhere," says Diane Horning, who lost her son Matthew. "We just don't want
our loved ones to be among garbage."
The search for remains was concentrated at the 16-acre World Trade Center site.
But debris, human remains and jet parts also rained down on the surrounding area,
and some bones turned up on nearby buildings; authorities checked nearby rooftops
for pieces of humanity, but some structures were damaged and could not be inspected
thoroughly.
Then, in the last year, workers preparing to tear down the Deutsche Bank building
found so many new bone fragments that officials sent a group of experts, including
Geidel, to comb the roof, which is covered with a layer of gravel that authorities say
camouflaged many of the smaller pieces.
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Many people are now speaking out regarding the official story of 9/11 and are asking
for a new investigation. Check out these sites:
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
Pilots for 9/11 Truth
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
Many people, from 9/11 victims families, to architects, engineers, scholars, pilots,
and many others are now speaking out against the "official" story and asking for a
new investigation. The 9/11 Commission was a complete whitewash, was set up by
the Bush Administration to appease the families. Ever heard of the Jersey Girls?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Girls
I highly recommend the following documentary about the 9/11 Families' quest
for TRUTH:
http://www.911pressfortruth.com/
Thanks for reading this. Hopefully you and others will take the time to go to
the links I suggested, research the subject for yourself - and then if you still
believe the "official story", then it is your choice.
Dayna | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 7:18:46 PM | Not that the obvious implosions should be simply evident lies with anyone with a brain but okay answer these questions.
---Why the plane didn't break apart from the impossible calculated speeds, some 100+ mph in excess
---Why the prolonged stand-down
---why the flt.Controllers tapes were destroyed
---Why no visible wreckage at the towers despite 2 huge planes
---why the roar of the engines were never recorded, despite several cameras being used
---why the planes didn't break up on impact
---Why there was no sign of deceleration at impact.
---Why all 8 engines are missing
--why none of the thousands of specially numbered aircraft components were ever found
---why the only engine found, was cold, under a canopy, and too small--about the size used on a missile
---why none of four flight recorders found
--- why the radar blips didn't add up
---why no relatives showed up at SFO to be consoled by Mayor's Brown's chaplains,
---why the DNA samples from the 'crashes' couldn't go to civilian labs, only to Dover AFB
---why reporters were blocked from interviewing anyone at the Pentagon except people the Pentagon provided
---why the airlines didn't provide the passenger lists, only the Pentagon, who seemed to have trouble being consistent,
--- why there were so few passengers fly an non-stop coast to coast at great loss on 4 flights
---why both "Mark Bingham" and "Todd Beamer" were identiy thefts of already deceased persons
---Why actress"Lisa Beamer" hastily filed application for a foundation in her "husband's" name only 7 days after the attacks, during the search & rescue phase?
---why no interviews of the living hijackers were ever made
---why so few victims claims were filed out of the 4 planes, yet 98% were filed for the victims of the towers
--- why there was no attempt to combine the near empty flights , three going to LAX
---Why none of the three flights ever appeared on the LAX "ARRIVALS" board.
---why a frequent flyer who wanted to switch to flt. 93, an earlier flight, was declined and told "Flt 93 is all booked."
---why there were no Flts 11 and 77 listed on the BTS scheduled
---Why the Pent. flt controller's tape was found to be scripted.
---why no credit card receipts were produced by either USG or families or bills for the airfares
---Why only there were only 129 claims filed for the Pentagon fataliies.
---Why there are hardly any passengers, crew names found on the Social Security Death Indiex.
---why the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund managers fought so hard to keep the names of claimants secret
---why Ellen Mariani whose late husband was listed on flt175, was never able to locate any other victims families of that flt. after almost five years
--- why United benefitted and wasted no time to file for bankrupcty, and divested it'self of pension obligations, and layoffs, and steep reductions of paychecks, yet changed it's registry of one of it's 9/11 planes recently
---why Flt 11's "radar blip" was still 9.6 miles away at the time of the alleged crash into WTC1
---why the families of the tower's victims are frequently heard, but only silence from the families of planes' victims....
---why a "pod" was apparently added by a whistleblower in a few frames. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 3:37:04 PM | *thebestguyhere* wrote:
---Why the prolonged stand-down
Ask CHENEY about that one! ;-) 
---why the roar of the engines were never recorded, despite several cameras being used
Flight 11, filmed by the Naudet brothers had "engine roar".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys41jnL2Elk
Don't specifically recall hearing the plane for Flight 175, but here's the
Naudet clip of Flight 175 - one that I don't think a lot of ppl have seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U6KBtzoxp8
---Why there was no sign of deceleration at impact.
Why would it decelerate?
all 8 engines are missing
There was a Flight 93 engine found, about a mile from the site. That is one of
the major case points FOR shootdown theory - since a heat-seeking sidewinder
missle would have likely targeted the engine, and it could have fell away from
the plane.
---Why none of four flight recorders found
Flight Recorders for Flight 93 were found, and played for the families.
--- why there were so few passengers fly an non-stop coast to coast at great loss on 4 flights
--- why there was no attempt to combine the near empty flights , three going to LAX
The two flights leaving Boston were UA & AA - they would not have combined
their flights. The other two were from Newark and DC, respectively. Or are you
saying why were the flights not cancelled and combined with later UA/AA flights
from those airports? Likely because the planes need to keep to their schedules
as they continue on from
Haven't heard about the questions below. Who/what is the source for this question
list - as I'm surprised David Ray Griffin hadn't brought up any of these points in
his books that I have read thus far. Some of them are very valid and interesting
questions that deserve answers, if accurate:
---Why none of the three flights ever appeared on the LAX "ARRIVALS" board.
---why a frequent flyer who wanted to switch to flt. 93, an earlier flight, was declined and told "Flt 93 is all booked."
---why there were no Flts 11 and 77 listed on the BTS scheduled
---Why the Pent. flt controller's tape was found to be scripted.
---why no credit card receipts were produced by either USG or families or bills for the airfares
---Why only there were only 129 claims filed for the Pentagon fataliies.
---Why there are hardly any passengers, crew names found on the Social Security Death Indiex.
---why Ellen Mariani whose late husband was listed on flt175, was never able to locate any other victims families of that flt. after almost five years
--- why United benefitted and wasted no time to file for bankrupcty, and divested itself of pension obligations, and layoffs, and steep reductions of paychecks, yet changed it's registry of one of it's 9/11 planes recently
---why Flt 11's "radar blip" was still 9.6 miles away at the time of the alleged crash into WTC1
---why the families of the tower's victims are frequently heard, but only silence from the families of planes' victims....
---why a "pod" was apparently added by a whistleblower in a few frames | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 8:25:34 PM | So you want to divert and change the subject now from calculating the energy required to pulverize thebuilding which I assume that if you truly have a degree in physics that you already know that there was not enough energy available to accomplish that feat of magic without the addition of explosives.
Since I don't know the mass of the airplane or its velocity it's tough to calculate how much energy it had. I would also need specifications on the building. What is it made of (and all the properties of those materials) and what was in it (and the properties of those materials). I'll also need the properties of the jet fuels and building plans. Obviously you have this information already so could you send it to me? | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 11:23:12 AM | Did you read Steven Jones' paper on this subject? I believe it covers a lot of the above.
Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?
By Dr. Stephen E. Jones - Physicist and Archaeometrist
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/Why_Indeed_Did_the_WTC_Buildings_Completely_Collapse_Jones_Thermite_World_Trade_Center.pdf
It's a 47 page document, but well worth reading.
Dayna | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 5:16:46 PM | Did you read Steven Jones' paper on this subject? I believe it covers a lot of the above.
I just downloaded it. I'll try to get through it this weekend. Thanks for the info.
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Posted: 5/10/2008 5:45:17 AM | Hello *thebestguyhere*,
You missed off the one about the Cornish treacle miners cutting up the internal steel structures into 30' lengths the night before. Did you take my advice and take a good sniff at the smelling salts or did your fellow 3,999,999 believers threaten to throw you out of the loony club for being silly?.
You would have me believe that your president, a man who got stuck on page 3 of a Janet and John book on the day it happened, is really a genius who masterminded the most complex and intricate web of deceit and deception the world has ever known.
Kind of hard to accept that he could do anything requiring even a modicum of intellegence. Maybe he dreamed up the plan when he was unconcious in the bathtub with his mind addled from alcohol and Cocaine.
Your whole premise about the attacks is little more than a flimsy house of cards which will come crashing down around your ears now that a 'grown up' as joined the discussion.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee my friend, whilst your all busy trying to undermine your government the real bad guys are planning the next attack. You need to stop sitting in your bedroom with your Y fronts on outside your pants wearing a hat made from tinfoil thinking that your the man to save the world and join the rest of us here in the real world.
This thread was supposed to be about the rubble and what to do with it. The Conspiracy theorists amongst you seem intent on hijacking every thread with your nonsence. You should start your own thread. Call it 'how I saved the world from my bedroom'. I suggest you put it in the humour forum. Your going to need to get used to the sound of people laughing at you. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 5:56:32 AM | Hi IronmanUK,
Don't find anyones opinions childish, not unless they are to do with the American government having anything to do with 9/11 and 'war for oil' nonsense. You can accuse them of some pretty stupid things but thats not one of them.
These things might be common knowledge to you but no-one I speak to knows that America have buried their war dead in a dump. Most people I mention it to think I'm joking. Don't know whether your joking when you say they are now going to use them for repairing pot holes in the road. As a great American once said "You cannot be serious".
Now that my interest in the attacks on the World Trade Center, the war in Iraq and the war on terror has begun, I am doing as you suggest. It's just that I made the mistake of thinking that I was dealing with intellegent people who would direct me towards the 'truth' when I joined this forum. Seems like the road to truth is lined with conspiracy loons who are little more than 5th columnists and agitators intent on undermining the war effort and trying to terrorise people who are already terrified. Makes them look like cowards to me. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 2:43:18 PM | .
Geezus what rock did you just crawl out from? Might want to get a cup of jo before you start posting. So are you a victim of the radiation experiments maybe?
Anyone who comes out here and summarily dismisses conspiracies, as simply theories is in dire need of a commonly known surgical procedure to remove foriegn objects from the body.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/HelpMeIcantBreathe.jpg
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Posted: 5/11/2008 8:21:48 AM | Well, Mr. Religion Of Eve -- You've responded to two other posters,
but what about my posts? Have you bothered to read any of the information
I listed, or checked any of the links? I really would like your comments.
Thank you.
Dayna | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 2:28:31 PM | ^^^^^
Don't bother all he doing is trying to stir the pot. He does not care about the real answers.
He probably even thinks that his own country was not complicit in the last major supposed "terrorist" attack.
Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.
He probably won't even look at the evidence http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm
He probably thinks this was just a coincidence.
Just like the US air force training "exercise" on 9/11 simulating exactly what was really happening. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 3:03:22 PM | | I don't know what they should do with it I wish I could buy a piece of it though just for memories, I have a piece of the berlin wall but its not that big of a deal its easy to get, my recruiter has a huge piece of it though because he was actually there | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 3:25:38 PM | | I find it sad that a discussion about what should be done with the land where the World Trade Center's once stood is instantly perverted into a topic about conspirisity theories.... | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 8:14:22 PM |
He probably won't even look at the evidence http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm
He probably thinks this was just a coincidence.
Just like the US air force training "exercise" on 9/11 simulating exactly what was really happening..
yup 7/7, and its the same MO with Madrid! The biggest difference between the US, UK and Madrid is that Madrid ousted the b^stards while all we do in the US and UK is parlor babble about it.
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Posted: 5/12/2008 7:14:51 AM | Hi Dayna,
I've had a look at a few of the links you and others supplied. Hard to believe that Mr. Bush could get away with anything with so much evidence against him. Funny how the rest of the worlds freely elected democratic leaders don't take him to task in the international courts. Maybe they should all go on Facebook or youtube so they can really know who is leading the free world these days.
In fact, as far vas I xcan see, the only people calling Mr. Bush and others a 'terrorist' are Bin Laden and you lot. Which side you on again?
Would love to take you out for a drink one night. Your a very pretty woman. We could spend the evening discussing your theories. We could go down the comedy club on Friday. Antone can get up and have a go on Friday, you'll go down a storm and I'll buy you some chips on the beach afterwards. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 7:21:40 AM | d13fox and jiperly
I find it disgraceful too that conspiracy and fear dominate. I also used to have a piece of the Belin wall too. A momento of an historic event in the world. Just looks like a bit of brick though. I would prefer the rubble to be used to build a great monument to freedom. One which stands higher than the twin towers ever did and shine as a beacon of freedom to the world.
I would like to see something built that will give the relatives of those people who became Angels that day somewhere to go and to be with their loved ones. A monument to peace that will show the rest of the world that America is truely and rightfully the leaders of the free world.
Unfortunately, they choose not use this event as an opportunity to change the world for the better but as a battle cry of war. Sad innit. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 7:39:45 AM | Hello NwMke,
Are you the one?. If I uttered those immortal words, "take me to your leader" would it be you they took me too?. Bet you were dying to call yourself Neo instead of NwMke. I am truely honoured to be in your presence. Sorry I don't know how to give greetings in Klingon but I'm sure you could teach me.
Since there are over 4 million of you and only one of me I thought I might take a moment just to be test some of your theories and beliefs, just so I know what I am dealing with here.
Try this one : It's called the patriot test.
Do you think that we should build a great monument at Ground Zero to those people who died that day?. The people on those planes are the amongst the greatest heros your nation has ever produced. On one plane which failed to acheive it's target, they made the ultimate sacrifice and caused that plane to crash in a field. That plane tends to get left out of your conpiracy theories quiet often and to most of us here in the 53rd state, thats the most important one. Why I hear you ask, let me tell you mate.
The people on that plane stopped your president and other leaders from being killed. Stopped the free world from being leaderless.
But seeing as you believe that Mr. Bush is the worst genocidal lunatic imaginable who would kill 4,000 of his own people and 500,000 people for oil, can I assume that you d0n't think that those people on that plane were heros?. Do you think that they were wrong in trying to stop that attack?. After all, they would have been doing us all a favour eh!.
I think they are worthy of being given whatever the highest accolade your country can give. Do you think they did you a dis-service and that they deserve no better than to spend eternity on a rubbish dump?.
Let me know if your theory passed that test pls. | |
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