| What to do with the Twin Towers rubble
Posted: 5/12/2008 10:21:41 AM | Mr Eve
Again, you're seeming incredibly naive. I'm glad you checked out the links given to you by RonPaulGal.
Also note who the people are behind these links. Pilots, architects/engineers, scholars....Not your common nut cases but clever, intellectual, well educated and influential nutters.
Well, you can niavely believe these kind of people are just misguided idiots or you could maybe, just maybe start to understand that there are things so very wrong with the official story, including flight 93.
May I suggest another link for you that, at least, tries to stick to the facts objectively.
www.911research.com
The voice of discontent with the official story is getting louder by the day and questions have being raised in numerous countries around the world, most noticably the Japanese parliament.
On some level, I'm actually jealous of your naivety. Sometimes I wish I hadn't gone down the road of discovery and learnt how big and bad our leaders can be as it leaves a very bitter taste. | |
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| What to do with the Twin Towers rubble
Posted: 5/12/2008 12:53:05 PM | So you want to divert and change the subject now from calculating the energy required to pulverize thebuilding which I assume that if you truly have a degree in physics that you already know that there was not enough energy available to accomplish that feat of magic without the addition of explosives.
Since I don't know the mass of the airplane or its velocity it's tough to calculate how much energy it had. I would also need specifications on the building. What is it made of (and all the properties of those materials) and what was in it (and the properties of those materials). I'll also need the properties of the jet fuels and building plans. Obviously you have this information already so could you send it to me?
You are joking right?
Actually I do have a set of construction diagrams and specs of the towers. LOL
You really dont need it however if you read any of the government reports as you can get most of the info you need right out of them. Had you took a serious interest you would already know that. That and you can get really close mathematically just using the mounfds of documentation found literally all over the web.
I would be happy to send it to you but it has long since been filed away in my archives and I am not the best record keeper and I have too much going on right now to dig it all up for you. (unless of course you want to send me a check) It might be cheaper to simply ask your secretary to get hopping with google and get it done for you. It is all available on the net and free I might add.
Should have been here when I went through all the trouble and work to put my math and all those goodies up here but the mods feel that 911 conspiracies are total bullshit and felt the need to delete 13 pages of thread which included my calculations and links that went undisputed I might add, (that is my work, no one put up refutation work), and I am sure that I am not the only one capable of doing the math on here.
That and I have come to the conclusion that those who are to ignorant to see that those towers have been blown to hell literally just by observing them, either are simply to ignorant, in denial, or mouthpieces for those who want to bury or otherwise propagandize it and in all cases not worth my time to do it all over again.
Meantime I will take the 5 seconds to dig this little gem out for ya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcsTSKP0Fho
So at the end you can see those steel columns standing after the building fell k? Entertain us and tell me how those columns magically turned to a fine powdered pixie dust with no fire what so ever near them?
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Posted: 5/12/2008 1:24:55 PM | Hello NwMke,
Are you the one?. If I uttered those immortal words, "take me to your leader" would it be you they took me too?. Bet you were dying to call yourself Neo instead of NwMke. I am truely honoured to be in your presence. Sorry I don't know how to give greetings in Klingon but I'm sure you could teach me.
toH tlhIngan Hol DajatlhlaH 'e' DaneH'a'?[.tlh.]
Do you think that we should build a great monument at Ground Zero to those people who died that day?.
No it should forever remain a grave yard memorial.
The people on those planes are the amongst the greatest heros your nation has ever produced. On one plane which failed to acheive it's target, they made the ultimate sacrifice and caused that plane to crash in a field. That plane tends to get left out of your conpiracy theories quiet often and to most of us here in the 53rd state, thats the most important one. Why I hear you ask, let me tell you mate.
can I assume that you d0n't think that those people on that plane were heros?.
First you talk about theories, I talk about proven/provable conspiracies.
The real heros are those getting shot up in iraq who willing sacrifice their lives to be used as radiation test rats so you can drive your suv not people who were complete cowards and unable to take on a couple guys with tiny laughable freaking box cutters that can only slice 1" deep. :drinking:
The people on that plane stopped your president and other leaders from being killed. Stopped the free world from being leaderless.
did they now?
Leaders? What are you talking about? Not this country! In this country we have administrators, in dicatorships you have leaders.
I think they are worthy of being given whatever the highest accolade your country can give. Do you think they did you a dis-service and that they deserve no better than to spend eternity on a rubbish dump?.
Prove they existed with complete records, dna, death certs, ss certs, etc etc etc. Until you do that I reserve comment.
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Posted: 5/13/2008 2:55:18 AM | toH tlhIngan Hol DajatlhlaH 'e' DaneH'a'?[.tlh.] NwMke,
Looks like you failed the first test then. Your going to have to bear with me a bit here mate, kinda hard to follow what it is you believe these days. Can I just confirm........
a) Ground Zero should be a grave yard memorial?. To whom may I ask?. If I can't prove to you exactly who was killed or not killed then that means no-one was killed, right?. Maybe I should try finding a link to a web site used by the relatives of those hero's just to check that they did actually die that day. Seems like we have gone to a lot of bother for nothing here.
b) The people on those planes who fought back so bravely in the face of unimaginable horror. You think they were cowards who should have done better against inept and ill armed terrorists?. Wow, you have my deepest sympathy young man.
c) You have administrators do you?. Thats nice. You may note that I refered to that elusive 53rd state called the rest of the world being leaderless. You know the ones who stood up to be counted when Mr. Bush senior went to the United Nation and offered to lead us against a evil tyrant. You may recall he lead the greatest coallition of free nations the world had ever seen. The same person who earned the respect of the free world and made the words "I'm an American" something of which you could be proud to say. Mr. Bush senior 'almost' earned the right to have his image carved into mount Rushmore. Mr. Bush junior unfortunately has only the support of Great Britain and it's dependants. Good job we are willing to step up to the plate. We would make much better world leaders than you currently do. We have more honesty, integrity, more experience in the international polotics arena and we don't have 4 million people hiding under the bed thinking the've uncovered a plot to take over the world.
Funny thing is that for years now you've been telling us that your the land of the free and home of the brave, leaders of the free world. Are you now administrators of the free world?. have we gone Chapter 11?.
If your version of democracy is only able to bring into power a bloodthirsty genocidal maniac then maybe you should try dictatorship instead. Are you the man to rise up and lead your people to freedom. Won't need to bother having free and fair elections any more then. After all, 300 million Americans can't be expected to get it right, not after having gotten it so wrong last time.
d) Your conspiracies are proven are they?. You do make me laugh. If you really have uncovered a plan to take over the world by the Illuminati and Neocons / Corps or whatever. I am sure that come the revolution your face will be on the front page of Time magazine's top 100 people of the century. We will build stautes in your honour around the globe. Since you don't have a picture I just have to hope you don't have pointy ears or look like Bin Laden.
Does it not strike you as a little odd that you have been able to uncover this plot on your laptop whilst hiding under the duvet?. There are 4 million of you and you all have at least a hundred links to 'the truth'. Your better than Columbo, NwMke super sleuth.
The problem with you all is that your dazzelled by 9/11 and are trying to make sense of something for which there is no sense. You are hypnotised with fear. Bin Laden is alive and well in living in the hearts and minds of people like you. Thats why you spout the rhetoric you do.
You suggest that G.W.Bush is a terrorist - So does Bin Laden
You suggest that Mr. Bush killed 4,000 civilians - Bin Laden tries to take credit
You suggest that Mr. Bush killed 500,000 needlessly - So does Bin Laden
You suggest that 9/11 was a blow for freedom - So does Bin Laden
You suggest that the war in Iraq is for oil - So does Bin Laden
You suggest that Americans are enslaved - So does Bin Laden
All this starting to tell you something Neo?, If ever there was a time for someone to rise up and free us then now is that time. I suggest you start walking your dog by the neuclear power stations and hope to be bitten by a radioactive insect. I just hope for your sake that it's not a Ladybird. No-one's going to take you seriously if you turn up to save the world dressed in a Ladybird outfit.
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| What to do with the Twin Towers rubble
Posted: 5/13/2008 7:39:00 AM | .
Not to much going on in the brain department I see.
I am not going to bother dignifying any further post from you with responses as you truly are in twilight zone and frankly I have better things to do than play patticake with children all day.
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| What to do with the Twin Towers rubble
Posted: 5/13/2008 4:58:09 PM |
You suggest that G.W.Bush is a terrorist - So does Bin Laden
They don't even want Bin Laden and haven't wanted Bin laden since they knew people were to stupid to notice then they changed the plan again. In bushes own words he said something to the efect that we aren't too worried about binladen since they know he's dead already.
You suggest that Mr. Bush killed 4,000 civilians - Bin Laden tries to take credit
more like over a million now iraqi's and americans.
You suggest that Mr. Bush killed 500,000 needlessly - So does Bin Laden
once again more like over a million now iraqi's and americans.
You suggest that 9/11 was a blow for freedom - So does Bin Laden
911 was a precursor to american tyranny that is spreading throughout the world
You suggest that the war in Iraq is for oil - So does Bin Laden
Of course it is ? don't be silly ! money, power, and Israeli freedom but not American Freedom.
You suggest that Americans are enslaved - So does Bin Laden
Americans are slaves. No doubt about it,but their are a few real patriots left , the ones that fight everything illegal that the US government is doing. Wait ?? Do they do anything that "IS" legal or moral ? | |
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| What to do with the Twin Towers rubble
Posted: 5/13/2008 11:34:43 PM |
On some level, I'm actually jealous of your naivety. Sometimes I wish I hadn't gone down the road of discovery and learnt how big and bad our leaders can be as it leaves a very bitter taste.
I am soooo with you on that! Life was much more "fun" being a happy IDIOT.
But, now that many of us do know thw awful truth, what the hell are we going to do about it?
Religion_of_Eve, I just saw a GREAT video; "911 Mysteries", I suggest you watch it.
You should also look into the close ties the Bush family has with the bin Laden family.
And, look into the close ties of the Bush family with Hitler and the rise of the Nazis!
I think the only thing you got right was saying that Dayna is a beautiful woman!
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Posted: 5/15/2008 3:56:51 AM | woodenmike, I too saw a programme recently. It was about conspiracy theories, how they get started and how the myths gets perpetuated. Full of people absolutely certain of their viewpoint just because a few vocal people who have watched The Matrix or Captain Scarlet too many times and are too afraid to come out from under the bed and face the real enemies of the free world.
There are undoubtedly many questions needing answers about this attack. Of that we can all have no doubt.
Fortunately for me I live in the place which has the most transparent government in the world housed within the palace of Westminster and the Houses of Parliament. One where if I wanted to know if George Bush was a criminal then I would tune in to the BBC and watch and listen as some of the greatest living politicians of our time debate these matters. Politicians like Tony Benn, Tam Deyell, Tony Blair and many many others would tell me if what you say is true is actually true.
They have access to the most comprehensive and accurate information available today. Knowledge gained from decades of active involvement with political leaders and others from around the world. First hand experience from speaking with people who are directly involved on both sides of any argument. I regularly watch as the leaders of our business community, the financial services industry, our armed services and anyone else who needs to be questioned gets questioned in front of the cameras and by people who are both intelligent and articulate. And they have to provide answers, no silly fifth amendment for us.
Once you have exausted the supply of hundreds of intellegent, articulate and committed polititians here in Westminster then you can turn to a few hundred more we have in the European Union. All open and available to you at the click of a mouse.
We have programmes like Hard Talk and Question Time where these people are questioned by anyone who wants to turn up and ask them anything on any subject and we all get to watch live and as it happens.
I can walk down into my town center and go to see my local MP as well and speak directly to them if I wish. And with all this access to the decision makers and faceless 'illuminati' figures just how many times have any of these people stated that George Bush caused the twin Tower disaster or fights for oil?. er... non, thats non as in non sence.
If I want to know something about Iraq or 9/11 or anything else for that matter, the last place I would look for the truth is on Youtube mate. Trying to make the real world into some sort of crazy comic book cartoon story with mysterious evil do'ers out to take over the world just makes you look foolish person who reads too many comic books.
This thread was started to talk about a serious political subject, the twin towers rubble and what to do with it. That you have again turned another discussion into a laughable discussion on conspiracies does not show you in a good light.
Ever wondered why so much 'evidence' gets found on Youtube, thats because Youtube is supposed to be funny mate not a source of accurate information.
Try answering your own question my friend, the one where you ask 'what the hell are we going to do about it?' and you will start to see how silly you all look. There are 4 million of you which by my calculation means there are over 6 billion of us, we've got you surrounded. Time to wave the white flag mate.
Don't normally do links but here's one for you all
www.BBC.co.uk
And finally, hands off Dayna I saw her first.
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Posted: 5/15/2008 4:58:53 AM | personally i think the only fair thing to do with "ground zero is to dedicate it to the victims of bushes illegal war on afghanistan and iraq and the millions murdered in the name of the world trade center
i think the united states should also relook at its stance on partnership with isreal and strengthen its friendly ties with iran and iraq and all those people in the middle east that it has been persecuting in the name of isreal over the years. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 7:33:54 AM | Religion_of_Eve,
You are either a deliberate plant or incredibly ignorant.
Tony Blair? There's one S.O.B. that is an enemy of the people, just like Bush!
Your question about what to do with the rubble comes about 7 years too late. The "rubble", or as us folks who seek truth call it, the "evidence", has already been wisked away to China and a garbage dump.
The F.D.N.Y. has one of the best investigative units in the business, and they were NEVER ALLOWED to examine the rubble.
Scientific analysis shows that the Twin Towers were PROFESSIONALLY DEMOLISHED and did NOT FALL because of any impact of airplanes or fires caused by these planes.
Your belief in the BBC and politicians is naive at the very least.
As for Dayna, I seriously doubt you saw her first, as we were conversing months before this website, and you're over a month too late for the "hands off" request!
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Posted: 5/15/2008 7:52:44 AM |
Now tell me this, now you know that the steel structures had been pre cut to 30' lengths, and you know that when 50 treacle minders stand one on top of the other they are 30' tall,
I dunno what a treacle minder (miner?) is but is it a requirement they be half a foot tall? Or less? | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 8:00:32 AM | Thank you trubblmakr,
Your one of a small number who have actually given this topic subject much thought. Making friends with Iran would be a great start to peace. They are an amazing nation of people who would make great friends and allies to the American people. They were amongst the first to offer their condolences to your country following 9/11. It is only the paranoia of some people in your country which prevents this happening and having some of your leaders liken their president to Hitler can only damage relations further. Time to mend fences and build bridges instead of planning how to destroy them.
Woodenmike,
It is beyond my comprehension how you could doubt the integrity, motivations or honesty of Mr. Blair.
This country joined you in both your war on terror and in the war in Iraq. Not just supporting you from the sidelines as America did with us against Nazi Germany in the 1930's but right there with you on the front line. Our children dying right next to yours. Mr Blair made that decision as the democratically elecetd leader of this nation.
He went into the seat of the greatest democratic parliament in the world and convinced those there to support him. I believe in democracy and freedom and you should too. Both Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair both had successful re-elections. Does that mean nothing to you?. Are we unfit to have free and fair elections just because the outcome does not fall in with your silly conspiracies and irrational fears.
He also, in case you didn't know it, went before an audience of mothers who's sons and daughters were poised to go to war in Iraq and explained his actions. I watched that debate and looked into his eyes as he spoke to those mothers. Mr. Blair is a man of the utmost integrity and he did not take our children to their deaths because of oil or because he is controlled by some invisible Neocon Illuminati. He did it because it was the right thing to do and because your president, the uncrowned leader of the free world, asked who in the world would stand with you. He did and so did we.
Mr. Blair is now in the Middle East hoping to play some part in bringing an end to the carnage taking place there. He could have slipped way into obscurity or made millions making speeches but he has chosen to continue to strive for peace and freedom rather than chase money. Mr. Blair brought peace to Northern Ireland after 25 years of unnecessary death and bigotted hatred. You should start praying he has similar success there and do what you can to help him. The best way you can do that is to start thinking about peace and how to achieve i | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 8:10:18 AM | Hi Dorkfully,
Treacle miners come from Cornwall here in the UK. They are a mythical body of people similar to the Diddy Men in Liverpool, the Illuminati in America, the fairies in your garden or the Leprecauns in Ireland. They don't have to be six inches tall, you can adjust their height to suit any purpose you need. Whatever suits best. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 4:53:39 PM | well eve im not american , im canadian , personally i dont really concern myself with yanky ideology( No Canadians Arent Yankies)
to me i think it would be a great move for canada to make a friend of the iranians and iraquis and all the saudi states
i have always felt bad at the way the palestinians were uprooted by the isrealis and think its high time that they were given back what was stolen and occupied by a displaced people
i watched the iranian leader on the news and heard the words he spoke and in my opinion i found his highly intelligent and a very honest man
but as usual the american media put their demented spin onthings and try to make every nation but their own look like the evil axis or the kong etc | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 5:07:31 PM | | Eve ? do you really defend Tony Blair ? He's one of the most seriously corrupt human beings on the planet today.You really should do some more research. | |
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| What to do with the Twin Towers rubble
Posted: 5/15/2008 5:56:03 PM | | I know what to do with it. Give a piece of the rubble to every liberal democrat that has forgotten about the 9/11 attack. They have surely forgotten. I guess its just as long as it doesn't happen to their family i guess it's ok. Oh the selfishness of those liberals | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 7:38:28 PM | OP, I don't know if you're a political naive or political ignorant. I know, for sure, both are dangerous risk for being manipulated by controlled media and controlling government.
Regarding your OP : Any project at Ground Zero will reactivate the doubts and the questions of what happened that day. It's not going to happen any time soon. The convenient silence from the government to address the refutal to its explanation of events is clear: other than the official version said is conspiracy theory from unhappy nuts.
Within time... it will be like the JFK assassination... just a few talk about it.
Regarding the rest of your posts: Are we less American, or citizen from any country for any matter, less patriot, less than civic-minded if we continue to ask questions to government offical's versions regarding questionables occurrences and suspicious hard-to-explain happenings?
In the words of Mark Twain, not exactly quoted... the defense of the country is at all cost, to the government -only if it deserves. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2008 6:09:15 AM | There already IS a memorial at Ground Zero. "The metal cross of Ground Zero" is mounted just behind the viewing wall. The cross is made of two metal beams that fell intact from one of the twin towers. Because it survived the heat and fire some see it as a source of hope or proof that God loves them.
A winning design for a WTC museum and memorial has already been picked, and will be erected on the site. See:
http://www.national911memorial.org/site/PageServer?pagename=building_home
You can see a picture of a model of the winning memorial and all the "runners up" here:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/photogalleries/memorial/index.html
The only building that has been rebuilt at Ground Zero is WTC 7. You can see a picture of it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
The other 5 towers are still in construction, with an expected completion date of 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Tower
You can see renderings of all the buildings (just use the sidebar entitled "Planned rebuilding of the World Trade Center Towers" on the right hand side of the page to scroll through) at the URL above.
Finally you can get WTC construction updates here:
http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/world_trade_center_memorial_93699.aspx
I know actual people who worked in the recovery operations at the WTC (and there is a POF member who was also on the scene and has posted in other similar threads). I know of no one who was actually there who believes in any of these conspiracy theories. My mother worked in the NYC Mayor's office up until a year before 9/11 and was in the WTC during the 1993 incident. I'm a part-time resident of Manhattan, have a coop on the Upper East side. Don't notice any conspiracy theorists who actually LIVE here or connected with the various projects.
With that, I'm tiptoeing out of the fruitbowl. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 2:29:58 AM | Thanks fly,
Had seen some of those things on other links sent and by just browsing. I'm sure it will become a place many people will visit and remember the heros who died that day. I even sent off a couple of Emails to some people asking if the rubble containing the mortal remains were to be used in any way. Haven't received any replys as yet but I am sure I will.
I still find it somewhat distressing to hear that the rubble lies in a tip and not stored on consecrated ground but what you are doing looks like it will be something to be proud of. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 6:37:24 AM | I only spend about 3-4 months a year at my coop in NYC, so I don't follow the WTC events as closely as some who live here. I promised myself when the towers fell that I wouldn't set foot on "Ground Zero" until it was restored.
As far as I'm aware, the rubble is still in the Staten Island land fill where it was initially brought for examination by coroners. The steel from the buildings was sold to a recycler. Staff spent around a year and a half sifting through the debris to find remains, and they did a painstaking search. However, when the construction started more remains were found.
Personally, if I'd lost a loved one in a disaster, I'd prefer it if they weren't found. I never felt it important to see a body to have "closure". And in the case of the WTC we didn't find many bodies but pieces identified by DNA. When my husbands died, I did bury them, but that was for their families and friends. I think about both of them every day, but have never been to the gravesite of either one of them. To me what is left of a person who has passed is in the hearts and minds of the people who loved them. That's their legacy.
Here are some more links for you:
Staten Island Landfill New York:
http://www.hq.usace.army.mil/History/StatenIsland_photos.htm
Describes the examination of the rubble for human remains and personal effects of the victims by the Army Corp of Engineers, which had oversight of the recovery process.
In Last Piles of Rubble, Fresh Pangs of Loss
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9802E7DE1738F934A25750C0A9649C8B63
About removal of the last of the rubble from the WTC site.
Ground Zero human remains won't halt construction
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/23/attack.remains/
About the discovery of human remains in 2005 at the WTC construction site. | |
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