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Posted: 5/9/2008 8:55:18 AM | andy7372 said:
why do you people fill the forums with quotes from the bible? Fill? I'd say that's a bit of an exaggeration. Anyway, it seems appropriate to quote when clarificaiton is needed.
you do know there are a few translations of the bible banging about? Yes. Although I'd say "a lot" rather than "a few". How many, I don't know.
and you do know that you should really only quote the original text not the edited and misinterpreted and mistranslated stuff? Well, I don't know how many people on here read those original languages, but I'm guessing most don't. Therefore, a good English translation makes for communication.
and you do know the history behind the king james' bible? Why, actually, yes I do. Do you?
in fact I will spell out what I am hinting at:
the quotes you give are not the same as the original and therefore not what god or jesus intended and therefore your belief system is based on untruths and therefore you are just talking cr*p. Then maybe you'd be so kind as to tell people where they are making mistakes, support your claims with facts, reveal your qualifications and expertise, and help us all be wiser and more educated. That would be nice.  | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 9:35:06 AM | romanticoptimimist wrote:
I'd say that's a bit of an exaggeration. Anyway, it seems appropriate to quote when clarificaiton is needed rhetorical question setting up the rest of the post
Yes. Although I'd say "a lot" rather than "a few". How many, I don't know
yes I would say a lot as well
Well, I don't know how many people on here read those original languages, but I'm guessing most don't. Therefore, a good English translation makes for communication.
main point of the post - so many translation, which we both agree, how do we know which ones are "good english translations"? the point being if you really want to know what jesus or god intended you should learn the languages and study the originals yourself, otherwise you are just following somebody elses interpretation. (please stay with personal beliefs and not religious organisations).
and you do know the history behind the king james' bible?
Why, actually, yes I do. Do you?
no i don't well done for picking up on that.
Then maybe you'd be so kind as to tell people where they are making mistakes, support your claims with facts, reveal your qualifications and expertise, and help us all be wiser and more educated. That would be nice.
I thought I had spelt out where they are making the mistakes? I thought I had supported the claim with facts (which you agree with). There's not enough room to reveal my qualifications but as this is an open forum "my opinion" is qualification enough. And finally, just reading my posts will make you wiser and more educated - I'm glad I could help. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 10:21:29 AM |
main point of the post - so many translation, which we both agree, how do we know which ones are "good english translations"? Research. Check the background of the translators, the pedigree of the manuscripts used, stuff like that.
the point being if you really want to know what jesus or god intended you should learn the languages and study the originals yourself, otherwise you are just following somebody elses interpretation. That might work for you -- and if it does. that's what you should do. But for most people it's neither practical or attainable. As the only alternate is to make the Scriptures inaccessible to those who don't have the time, resources, education, or skills to study the original languages, a good translation in ones own language is a reasonable alternative. thus, there is no harm in "somebody else's interpretation" unless that interpretation can be shown to be flawed or unreasonable. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 5:27:49 AM | Because the very rich and famous will tell you it is so STUPID! Who do you think runs the Christian show, the poor, needy, you are out of your tiny mind. IF he came from the poor or middle classes doing miracles and such, it would threaten the GOD business. We are talking a global business, wake up! Think what the bloody ecological lot are doing to business, its a threat, and in south America on ranches and plantations it is a well established practice that individual ecological concerned people contribute to the prosperity of such organisations by being transformed into compost, which they argu helps the environment. It is a valid argument on one level.
So If J. C. came back it would be to gather not his flock, but more his flocks cash, please wake up. Heaven is at hand and all that stuff, give up your worldly goods to moi! Saves all the gathering of petty cash. They could then be exploited to work just for food, as the kingdom of heaven awaits them. Then its back to the middle ages with the lot, slaves of GOD working for God's anointed, who live it up at their expense.
So no second helpings from Jesus Christ unless it fits well with church doctrine. That doctrine is when all said and done about making the administrators of the Said GOD live in a
a way that GODS are expected to live, with silly mortals working their guts out for bugger all hoping to go to heaven when they are dead. Its an inside joke, as no-one has come back yet to complain they were conned.
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Posted: 5/10/2008 6:56:55 AM | romanticoptimist wrote:
there is no harm in "somebody else's interpretation"
I think there is and if you look at these forums and see how many people take things the wrong way and misinterpret what is being written I am surprised you would argue such a point. But you are entitled to your beliefs and if you wish to dedicate your life to what another MAN has written then that's your choice, good luck to you. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 7:43:28 AM | A good place to start to see what many Christians believe.
http://www.studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T5542
As to your question
how will a christian know when it is the right person?
The world as we know it will be in such chaos as to what is happening on the earth unlike any time in history. When he returns all eyes shall see him return as it is stated in scripture. I am sure he will be on all the news channels all over the world. A lot of jaws will be opened wide and in shock. When the Mount of Olives splits in half with his coming. Many will believe on the last day. Even the few evolutionists and atheists who actually see this happen. But until then many will fall away as it is written in scripture. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 5:29:45 PM | | hi... the stars have already fallen, the moon turned blood red and there was an earthquake that killed so many people it is recorded as the biggest quake in the history of the world... see the Lisbon earthquake, The Dark Day which is then the night of the moon turning red and google stars falling , the title of the event fails me right now but I will come back to post it...any way, the writers of that time thought that the end was happening because the stars fell by the thousands every minute...the last sign before Jesus's return is that the Gospel will be preached to all the earth, satellite has made this possible now ... satan will come to earth professing to be Jesus, he will come as the disasters frighten man into needing a Savior... prior to satans coming, there will be a law that passes, ~forcing~ man to worship on sunday, this law starts in North America then goes global... of course this sounds way out there but so did the Holocaust.... the one thing that I have learned through studying the bible is that God, since time began, has given instructions and warnings before major events... the end time is close at hand because God has given signs and wonders as warnings... the bivble says that thwy can predict the waether but that they can not through their Spiritual blindness see that the end is near... everyday I see reports of earthquakes and floods and pestilence and I wonder how mankind can NOT know that the end is here.... of course as I stated in another thread, the end to some is hell while to others it is Heaven... personal choice is a gift given to us by Our Creator so no one should be too upset when they get what they asked for... years ago I was not into salvation and the bible but now I see clearly that everything is about salvation and God has left us a Manual, His Personal Journal on the Matter and He has freely shared it with His People... in One Book we can have The Wisdom of God AND eternal life too... I pray that "all shall be saved and that none shall be lost", this was a Direct Quote from God in His Journal, we can clearly see that God loves us... blessings, warmly Mona | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 6:49:48 PM | | He's already risen. Believe me, no one will mistake His return. I suggest asking Him personally if you are genuinely interested. God bless! | |
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Posted: 5/12/2008 7:39:39 PM |
my question is this. we have had several people who have claimed that they were the second coming of jesus christ. how will a christian know when it is the right person?
Well, the Bible says that every knee shall bow. Everyone will know, even the animals. It will be unmistakable. Now, in the case of crazy cults worshiping people who claim to be Jesus, obviously, they are wrong.
There are also "end of times" signs in the Bible. A lot of religious people are fanatic about looking for them, but again, the Bible says that no one will know ahead of time, but we will all know when it really happens. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 5:54:40 AM | Hi
Nice to see someone who is a believer in God and the second coming.
I did not believe in God until my 30th birthday when i experienced what could be described as a paranormal incident. Since then, three and a half years ago, I find it hard to believe that I never believed.
The proof is all around us. I could never have blind faith so I have read many books on a wide range of subjects. Quantum physics is very interesting and proves that there is a higher intelligence at work.
Scientists should tread very carefully. I think the idea of cloning and creating human/pig hybrids is horrifying for whatever reason. The biological side of science is scary enough but the physics side is what can cause mega destruction. Personally I think the experiments that will be carried out by the Large Hadron Collider Accelerator underneath Geneva could bring about the end of the world.
Einstein could see the down side of any form of nuclear bomb and I think he would be spinning in his grave (minus his brain which was used for scientific research) if he was aware of the dangers our planet is already in.
God gave life and the earth to humans who have done nothing but meddle and disrespect their gifts. It is so sad to know that humans are starving and not just in the 3rd world. The rising food prices here will put many already poverty stricken famillies at risk.
If we ever needed a messiah the time is certainly now.
I beleive that the spirit of Jesus will appear in physical form to literally save the world and sort things out. God knows we all need it. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 6:26:10 AM | According to the Bible Jesus was offered up on the cross for the sins of His people. After His death and resurrection, He was taken up into the clouds and is perpetually seated at the right hand of God the Father.
Before His departure from this world, Jesus had many conversations in which He foretold the manner of His return.
The Bible is clear that Jesus Christ will return in the same manner that He was taken up and that it will be just as OBVIOUS.
Matthew 24:27 states, “For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” To put it in more simplistic terms, Jesus said that He would come back in bodily form just as when He departed- | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 7:23:01 AM |
Matthew 24:27 states, “For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” To put it in more simplistic terms, Jesus said that He would come back in bodily form just as when He departed-
The interpretation of Jesus returning in 'bodily form' is written no where in scripture, in fact the world will never see Christ again is actually what the scriptures teach.
As far as the sign of Jesus return being the gospel being preached in the whole world that monalee shared...this is complete and this prophecy was fulfilled on Pentecost.
Acts 2
5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?"
How do we know that this is the fulfillment of the prophecy that Christ said would come to pass??
Paul confirms this as well as Peter.
Romans 10:18
But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Colossians 1:6
Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
Colossians 1:23
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
The gospel has been preached to the entire world as of 2000 years ago, and this is confirmed as fulfilled in scripture......however people chose to believe whether it is or it isn't is strictly thier own personal opinion and is not based on scriptural truth. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 7:32:35 AM |
My answer to the original question...
(and it's an answer you won't understand, at this time, in the same manner I do, OP)...
is those who have eyes, will see. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 7:47:33 AM |
is those who have eyes, will see
the thing about all these sort of answers (and breath~ it's not just you). sort of defeats the point of him coming back.
You are already converted and have already "seen the light" but for the rest of us he will just appear as another nutcase. Now surely jesus is a compassionate bloke and would want to save all the good people before armageddon therefore if I don't know how to see the real jesus how is he going to convince me the bible was right all along and he is the truth? or is he just going to let me burn in hell for eternity? which would be kind and compassionate of him (sarcasm). | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 11:31:30 AM |
You are already converted and have already "seen the light" but for the rest of us he will just appear as another nutcase. Now surely jesus is a compassionate bloke and would want to save all the good people before armageddon therefore if I don't know how to see the real jesus how is he going to convince me the bible was right all along and he is the truth? or is he just going to let me burn in hell for eternity? which would be kind and compassionate of him (sarcasm).
It's up to Christians to share the good news with others which we are trying to do. Instead of just creating Angels to automatically worship Him, He created humanity and gave them a choice of worshiping Him or not. Thus, there is more Glory to Him in having souls praise Him that are not made to or programmed to. He won't force Himself into your life but He will knock at your door and He will give you plenty of opportunity. You have the choice of accepting Him or rejecting Him and it's your own soul that is accountable. He is compassionate, however He is not sympathetic. He does yearn for all to be saved. I suggest turning away from Religion and simply asking Him into your life, personally, on a one to one basis. If you genuinely desire His love and peace, you will experience His presence as many have. He is the Truth and the Truth will set you free, here on earth as in Heaven. I pray and believe that you will seek Him and experience His amazing power. May He bless you immensely beyond your fondest dreams! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 1:17:20 PM | Well Consiq, it took me a while to remember the verse but I did find it. You stated....
"The interpretation of Jesus returning in 'bodily form' is written no where in scripture, in fact the world will never see Christ again is actually what the scriptures teach."
Actually there is an interpretation that defines exactly that happens.
Acts 1: 9-10-11.
These verses are giving an account of Christ and his leaving the apostles a final time. It states that those apostles (and possibly whom ever else was there) stood in awe watching Christ ascend into the air, going higher and higher till the clouds kept them from seeing him any more.
Now from the next situation to happen it is well to observe that the angels who were there that the apostles could see knew the apostles thoughts which apparently had more to do with "Will Chirst come back as he is leaving us or maybe he will come back in a different fashion and maybe will even look different?" I say that because the question tha angels asked why the apostles were gazing into heaven? The angels knew why the apostles were gazing into heaven and gave them an answer that seemed to please the apostles because they left to celebrate the sabbath instead of being sad and upset and or depressed.
The angels told the apostles that the same Jesus, which would mean Jesus in his full ness as the apostles knew him, mentally, spiritually, physically, the same one they watched ascend into the clouds would be the same Jesus that would come back in LIKE MANNER as the apostles saw him ascend.
So the very NT scriptures do state that Christ would come back as he left, in a body with his mind and spirit.
And this next statement......
"The gospel has been preached to the entire world as of 2000 years ago, and this is confirmed as fulfilled in scripture......however people chose to believe whether it is or it isn't is strictly thier own personal opinion and is not based on scriptural truth."
You can neither prove that by the scriptures or by the historical writings of historians that have lived and recorded things of their various societies for the last 2000 years.
Some verses cannot be taken literally I will agree. There are verses after Col 1:23 which state the gospel has not been preached to every creature under heaven.
You will find nothing that deals with the gospel of Christ that is written /oral mouth stories/etc., as taught by Christ and the apostles and desciples in their time in the Americas, the areas of Russia, China and other parts of the earth.
The gospel was being taught within the area that was known as "their world" but it had not been taught to the "ends of the earth" as we know the true definition of that terminology. If it had been, we would have had remenants of Christian communities in all the areas of the world that they had no idea were existing and thriving with modern populace societies.
This scripture can be said to becoming close to being fulfilled in our time but even now, there are entire societies of hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands and more that have never heard the gospel of Christ. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 11:09:20 PM |
Well Consiq, it took me a while to remember the verse but I did find it. You stated....
"The interpretation of Jesus returning in 'bodily form' is written no where in scripture, in fact the world will never see Christ again is actually what the scriptures teach."
Actually there is an interpretation that defines exactly that happens.
Acts 1: 9-10-11.
These verses are giving an account of Christ and his leaving the apostles a final time. It states that those apostles (and possibly whom ever else was there) stood in awe watching Christ ascend into the air, going higher and higher till the clouds kept them from seeing him any more.
Now from the next situation to happen it is well to observe that the angels who were there that the apostles could see knew the apostles thoughts which apparently had more to do with "Will Chirst come back as he is leaving us or maybe he will come back in a different fashion and maybe will even look different?" I say that because the question tha angels asked why the apostles were gazing into heaven? The angels knew why the apostles were gazing into heaven and gave them an answer that seemed to please the apostles because they left to celebrate the sabbath instead of being sad and upset and or depressed.
The angels told the apostles that the same Jesus, which would mean Jesus in his full ness as the apostles knew him, mentally, spiritually, physically, the same one they watched ascend into the clouds would be the same Jesus that would come back in LIKE MANNER as the apostles saw him ascend.
So the very NT scriptures do state that Christ would come back as he left, in a body with his mind and spirit.
montanan76 Again you are adding your own wording into the passage to slant your own biased opinion of what was meant. There is nothing of what you are suggesting at all in the passage from Acts 1...Here is what it actually states....
Acts1
9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
Right before this happenned Jesus reminded them of what He told them in John 14.....
""16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.""
Please take note,..... Jesus says the Holy Spirit(Comforter/Helper) will come and comfort them, then He confesses that this Spirit is actually Him who is coming...''I will not leave you as orphans..."I WILL COME TO YOU" Of course this will only be understoood with a basic understanding of God's Triune manifestation....which you don't have.
The key words in Acts 1 are not as you have imagined them to be, but are written quite clearly that Jesus will return ' in the clouds'....there is nothing about Him coming back to earth in His human form, nor does it say that Jesus left this vanished into heaven in His human form. 'Behold He is coming with clouds' is confirmation that the way He departed and would return was also 'in the clouds'.
It has already been shared what this expression 'clouds' has been used previously in scripture as meaning. Scholarship depends on scripture interpreting scripture, and not man interpreting by his own private interpretations.
And this next statement......
"The gospel has been preached to the entire world as of 2000 years ago, and this is confirmed as fulfilled in scripture......however people chose to believe whether it is or it isn't is strictly thier own personal opinion and is not based on scriptural truth."
You can neither prove that by the scriptures or by the historical writings of historians that have lived and recorded things of their various societies for the last 2000 years.
Some verses cannot be taken literally I will agree. There are verses after Col 1:23 which state the gospel has not been preached to every creature under heaven.
You will find nothing that deals with the gospel of Christ that is written /oral mouth stories/etc., as taught by Christ and the apostles and desciples in their time in the Americas, the areas of Russia, China and other parts of the earth.
The gospel was being taught within the area that was known as "their world" but it had not been taught to the "ends of the earth" as we know the true definition of that terminology. If it had been, we would have had remenants of Christian communities in all the areas of the world that they had no idea were existing and thriving with modern populace societies.
This scripture can be said to becoming close to being fulfilled in our time but even now, there are entire societies of hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands and more that have never heard the gospel of Christ.
Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or consider how this prophecy is to be fulfilled. The scriptures claim it as fulfilled and testify to its fulfillment on Pentecost, and this was done in the form of a miracle from God so there would be no denying it. Like I said biblical scholarship is not randomn interpretation of prophecy as people see fit for the times...there are biblical introductions and formalities that signify certain prophecies as being fulfilled... The clue here that this is a fulfilled prophecy is revealed in the question 'What do these things mean' That was spoken when the prophecy was fulfilled on Penyecost buy those who witnessed it. The same way the lder in Revelation clues us in that the 'rising of the saints' spoken of and witnessed by John is also a fulfilled prophecy because of the elders introduction and statement asking 'Who are these dressed in white robes'
Acts 1
12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
I will tell you 'What' this means, ...it means that this is a fulfillment of prophecy....
Revelation 7
13Then one of the elders asked me, "These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?"
I will tell you 'who' these are, they are the ones who were prophecied about to rise up and meet the Lord in 'the air'/ clouds.
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Posted: 5/14/2008 12:08:35 AM | To the OP - Everyone will know it's Jesus because of God's Magical Powers. That's pretty much what it all comes down to.
1/3 of the stars will fall to earth?! That sounds like a fun day! And of course, by "falling" that will mean they'll have to actually travel to Earth, and rather quickly. The energy implications of that much mass travelling substantially faster than the speed of light are staggering. Then of course, there's the gravitational effect of combining the mass of 1/3 of the universe in one spot.
Remind me when Jesus comes back to stand somewhere safe.
All in all I find the return of Jesus rather substantially doubtful. I mean... when you wait for a date who promises to be there, that's faith. But when you wait a few hours and it becomes clear to everyone else you've been stood up, that's just kind of pathetic. The longer, the more pathetic. 2000 years is a long time to wait. And there is absolutely no evidence or even reason to believe he'll be here any time soon. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 12:26:02 AM |
To the OP - Everyone will know it's Jesus because of God's Magical Powers. That's pretty much what it all comes down to.
1/3 of the stars will fall to earth?! That sounds like a fun day! And of course, by "falling" that will mean they'll have to actually travel to Earth, and rather quickly. The energy implications of that much mass travelling substantially faster than the speed of light are staggering. Then of course, there's the gravitational effect of combining the mass of 1/3 of the universe in one spot.
Remind me when Jesus comes back to stand somewhere safe.
All in all I find the return of Jesus rather substantially doubtful. I mean... when you wait for a date who promises to be there, that's faith. But when you wait a few hours and it becomes clear to everyone else you've been stood up, that's just kind of pathetic. The longer, the more pathetic. 2000 years is a long time to wait. And there is absolutely no evidence or even reason to believe he'll be here any time soon.
In light of the scripture references you have shared...The evidence has become completely overlooked.
The evidence of the event youare referring to by your scripture reference, is seen in the destruction of the temple as Jesus has quite clearly spoken it would be in Matthew 24.
The temple has been destroyed since 70 AD.
We can go and look at this evidence anytime we want.
But as for Christ and what He said about His return...
John 14:19
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
of course everyone is free to keep hoping that maybe Christ meant something else and He really didn't mean that the world would never see Him again. But after 2000 years you would think that maybe he was telling the truth about the world never seeing Him again....so far I would have to say he meant what He said. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 3:46:36 AM | andy7372...
<div class="quote">why do you people fill the forums with quotes from the bible?
you do know there are a few translations of the bible banging about?
and you do know that you should really only quote the original text not the edited and misinterpreted and mistranslated stuff?
and you do know the history behind the king james' bible?
in fact I will spell out what I am hinting at:
the quotes you give are not the same as the original and therefore not what god or jesus intended and therefore your belief system is based on untruths and therefore you are just talking cr*p.
What is mistranslated and misinterpreted?
You do know that original passages from the Bible that date back to Christ's time as well as time before do exist right? And you do know that when found, they had the same exact information that we have in our bible to this very day, right?
Please, if you are going to seek for the truth, dont let the media fill your head with such poppycock, instead, approach the truth with an open mind, it will find you, you cannot find it when you are already closed off and ignorance has filled your head. Ask God, he will show you. What an amazing thing to know that he saves us by grace and not by what we do? No matter what we can do, it wont compare to creating heavens and earth, but if we come to him with an open heart, that is all that is needed(Ephesians 2:8-9).
in reference to the king james bible, they did not have as much access to original manuscripts as we do now. since the advent of archeological sciences, we have discovered so many more things out of the bible, more than any other book in the history of mankind that will support the fact that what is written in the bible now is the same as back then. We have copies of Codex Sinaticus as well as the Greek Septuigiant which date back to around 300AD that we can use to translate our bibles. Shall I talk about the dead sea scrolls, which discovered the book of Isaiah which was carbon copy dated to 300BC, only to find out later that it had, word for word, exactly what was in our bible at this present day. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 5:05:52 AM | hello tilt is saved
What is mistranslated and misinterpreted? Any english version of the bible - translations can NEVER be 100% accurate two different languages involved, do you speak a foreign language I'm guessing not as you wouldn't be asking that question if you did.
Please, if you are going to seek for the truth, dont let the media fill your head with such poppycock, instead, approach the truth with an open mind, it will find you, you cannot find it when you are already closed off and ignorance has filled your head. you too, mate, the bible is media! is that all that a quote from (ephesians 2:8-9) I think you might have misquoted or mistranslated it.
in reference to the king james bible, they did not have as much access to original manuscripts as we do now. since the advent of archeological sciences, we have discovered so many more things out of the bible, more than any other book in the history of mankind that will support the fact that what is written in the bible now is the same as back then. I guess will have to agree to disagree on that one
what was in our bible at this present day. which bible?
Shall I talk about the dead sea scrolls
ohhh yes please!
I have already discussed this with, in my opinion, a much more more learned gentleman please look through the thread and read the previous discussion. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 5:41:17 PM |
Jesus will not return as a person and be seen by anyone, so if anyone even makes a claim to be Christ then they are lying. Nor will the world ever see the True Christ again.
I beg to differ:
Sounds to me as if though you do believe in Scripture regardless of your denomination/religion, after all, you are quoting it above...However, please take a look below, the paragraph below doesn't leave much room for doubt since they were speaking about the end of times...
Luke Chapter 21:
25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. .
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