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| Are prostitutes the solution?
Posted: 2/23/2008 9:01:03 PM | Dancecard,
Thank you for that eye opening perspective.
As a GI, we had them smuggled in to restricted area in water tankers, 15 -20 at a time ~ just to make life bearible. ~ Increase the mens productivity, awarement ~ sense of selfworth and belonging ~ One woman fix ~ would kept the men happy for weeks.
This is why I have often felt that hookers and strippers need to be recognized for their service to the guys who are putting themselves in these hellholes for the country.It's fact,this type of service performed increases efficiency.How can anyone argue with this?How hypocritical is it for a nation to lawfully send a man to these armpits of the world where they can and do get killed and then outlaw a practice that's proven to be benificial to the war effort?
Guess that blows the old boxer's legend about sex making a fighter weak out of the water. | |
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Posted: 2/23/2008 9:38:05 PM | I don't understand where some people get off stating that prostitutes are victims, they have a choice and everyday they still have a choice. They provide a service, so are the cable providers a victim because you pay for their service? I mean strippers are legal, and they are not far off from being a hooker; dry humping vs. real humping. And if prostitution was legalized it could then be moderated and regulated, also removing abusive clients and pimps(Minimizing the hazards of prostitution.). Where are the feminists to support these female entrepreneurs who are obviously oppressed by our governing body?
I see nothing wrong with a woman doing what she wants with her body, its her body and her life. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 5:02:20 AM | Zain wrote "A woman does not give up sex willingly to a man because she does not want sex unless it is in the confines of a relationship"
Some women would have sex without wanting a relationship as such, (read these forums! on POF lol), women are like men they have needs, does not mean that all will jump in bed with anyone and does not mean that all men will pay for sex. And as both genders, some like sex more than others, some need to be attracted (physically/mentally) to want sex with a specific person, and some like themselves more than others (i.e. self respect).
Zain wrote, I'm not a "regular user" .................. I didn't say you were. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 5:04:13 AM | | Fractalheart, in a fictional/fantasy world yes ................. unfortunately, well just read all the posts in this thread ........ | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 6:16:47 AM | | south08....I really think you nailed it when you spoke of 'deep rooted reason/causes' for johns seeking out prostitutes. I have met hundreds of them, and all of them had problems with self-image and in their relationships with women. And I also found it interesting that they wanted much more than sex...though they would never admit it. What they wanted was an emotional connection and affection from these women...some would even offer money to these women, not for sex, but for conversation. Hence, Zain's declaration that the escort he bought actually liked him because she talked to him after the act was over. Interesting how that seemed more important to him that the actual sex. It made him feel wanted. As for legalizing the practice and thereby saying it is okay to objectify women...I will fight that effort as long as I live. The reason it is not legal is because it is an essentially inhumane practice. As for punishing the offenders, I would prefer to see these men go to john school. Unless they re-offend. And then I would throw the book at them. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 6:24:12 AM | as long as it's consensual i don't care what people do behind closed doors...paid or unpaid..
once in becomes nonconsensual, then i may have a problem with it. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 6:41:45 AM | | Good point spumoni...I actually did mention men in one of my posts. And I feel much more sorry for male prostitutes. Not only do they suffer from the social stigma attached to the profession, they are also assumed to be gay. Many are not. And so they end up feeling worse about themselves, not to mention confused about their sexuality. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 11:28:50 AM | Circe 1
"Hence, Zain's declaration that the escort he bought actually liked him because she talked to him after the act was over. Interesting how that seemed more important to him that the actual sex. It made him feel wanted"
Oh please, you are so full of it. The jons you are apparently dealing with are they regular johns are they addicts? Or guys like me who've only done it once or twice?
I'm not dilluting myself, I know its a service I'm paying for. I know I could never have a real relationship with her. hence why I decided to see her. I wanted sex, that's it. and as soon as the sex was over. She would be out of my life for good. I saw her 5 months ago. and haven't gone to any escorts since. While it was fun it was experimental. It's not something I want to turn into a habit. This "deep rooted emotional connection need" crap does not apply to me. If it did I would have kept seeing her to fill my big emotional void. I have the money I could certainly afford to if I wanted to. I'm not some addict. I'm no less emotionally stable then any other guy my age. Why can't you grasp the fact that some guys who to hookers because sex is all they want? What about women who hire gigolos? ( while its rare it does happen) do the suffer the same emotional problems as these johns? At the end of the day it makes no difference whether she liked me or not does it? I'm a paying client. She was doing her job. If she hated me she could have said she did not want to see me when she was screening me when I made intial contact with her through email and phone. She asked me all sorts of questions and yes Many escorts of her calibur do screen their clients. They can pick and choose who they want to see. Some even discriminate on age or race. Some escorts "retire" from the bussiness so they can move onto to other things or even another line of work. so enough with the "they don't have a choice" crap. THEY CAN CHOOSE. As for her talking to me and trying to connect with me? It wasn't seperate from the sex it was part of the encounter. I wanted her to make me feel COMFORTABLE not wanted. Sex was really all I wanted but in order to have sex I have to be comfortable. Many johns are nervous when they go to an escort. That's why escorts talk to them as a way to relax them. and that's why most escort agencies will not hire a girl with poor social skills no matter how attractive or how good in bed she is. She has to make her client feel comfortable and relaxed. Sure some guys dillute themselves into thinking that the girl actually likes them. Maybe they do maybe they don't. Technically it doesn't matter does it? I don't care if the guy I hire to cut my lawn doesn't like me. He's not being paid to like me He's being paid to cut my lawn. As long as he does a good job, he can dislike me all he wants. She may not have liked me. There is a possibility she wanted repeat bussiness. but I don't see why she hated me either. Like I said, she could have choosen not to see me.
"it is okay to objectify women...I will fight that effort as long as I live"
How are we objectifying women? I never said anything negative about hookers. I'm not the one who says there are emotional scarred with no self worth illterate and incapable of thinking for themselves and making their own descions.That's great, I take comfort in the fact you have a good 30 years on me. and long after you and I are both dead. Prostitution will still be here I guarantee it. If she chooses that profession by choice it takes the "objectifying women" equation right out of it. Nobody told her to sell her body for money.
"The reason it is not legal is because it is an essentially inhumane practice. As for punishing the offenders, I would prefer to see these men go to john school. Unless they re-offend. And then I would throw the book at them. "
All of a sudden you want to help us? I thought we were all criminals and losers! LMAO You're already fighting a losing battle, techically its already legal here isn't it? There are laws that discourage the practice of it. but prostitutes and johns already found ways around those laws. and even if it is illegal it'll still be here. So as the borg say resistance is futile. Streetwalkers are illegal in Canada aren't they? but I wouldnt touch a streetwalker. Private consenting sexwork is the norm in most Canadian major cities. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 12:23:49 PM | "Some women would have sex without wanting a relationship as such, (read these forums! on POF lol), women are like men they have needs, does not mean that all will jump in bed with anyone and does not mean that all men will pay for sex. And as both genders, some like sex more than others, some need to be attracted (physically/mentally) to want sex with a specific person, and some like themselves more than others (i.e. self respect). "
I agree with some of this. No not all men pay for sex. Some resort to begging and pleading their wives. (If your own wife does not want to have sex with you I don't see how that makes him any less "pathetic" then a john) Some men can use their charm and looks. Great, all the power to them. but not every guy was blessed with great genetics and not every guy has "game" and there aren't a million Alex Hitch type guys out there to help these guys who aren't GQ cover matarial and don't have the necessary charms to get the girl and don't suggest councelling ...please. They're guys who have many emotional problems and they still can get a woman. So that's not the issue. A dating expert maybe would suffice. Some men have to buy gifts for their gfs to increase their chances of getting laid. Some men have to pretend to be "romantics" when they're really not. in order to get laid. and I don't doubt they're plenty of women who want NSA sex. but let me ask you how hard is it for them?
notice how the demand for gigolos is next to nothing compared to the demand for prostututes? why do you think the sex industry is so female dominated and geared more towards men? | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 1:25:18 PM |
notice how the demand for gigolos is next to nothing compared to the demand for prostututes? why do you think the sex industry is so female dominated and geared more towards men?
cause males who demand sex are a dime a dozen...and if more of them had a clue about how to get it they wouldn't have to demand it.
besides, isn't everything in society geared more toward men?
Ho Ho Ho.... | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 1:27:43 PM | | Using prostitutes instead of dating implies that one's only reason for being with a woman is for sex which, at least on my part, isn't the case. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 1:27:53 PM |
circe 1 wrote: And I feel much more sorry for male prostitutes.
Not only do they suffer from the social stigma attached to the
profession, they are also assumed to be gay. Many are not.
And so they end up feeling worse about themselves, not to
mention confused about their sexuality.
Not all male escorts suffer from social stigma, or are assumed to be gay.
Some enjoy their profession and feel they're performing a valuable service
for their clients. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 1:42:25 PM | "cause males who demand sex are a dime a dozen...and if more of them had a clue about how to get it they wouldn't have to demand it."
I agree but there would also be less of a demand if more women had a clue how to satisfy a man's needs. Not all men who pay for it are single. hence rock hunter's remark along the lines of "if you did a good job I wouldn't have one"
"besides, isn't everything in society geared more toward men?"
Nope. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 1:50:54 PM | I cant find the posts, so I'm gona answer questions I recall seeing.
Where does their money go. (I asked my friend, who has been in the biz all her life. Went from street hooker, moved 'up' to running her own biz...)
Ok, I asked 'where does al that money go?!"
She took me in the kitchen to my yellow pages, slammed it down, opened to escorts. "There, there, there and there" Right off I recognized her cell #'s. I said 'ok, but what, these are cheesy little nothings, no offense'
5000,00 month!!! for that one, 2500 month for that one For each 'color' (green, pink, etc costs MORE) She said, 'look at all my competition. I know her, hate her, that ones a b--ch.'
Listening to her for next half hour!! WHOA! It's dog eat dog in the yellow pages!!!! That is where their money goes!!
Also, to the 'house'... she sends a new girl out (she only has 2 or 3, because she is greedy, wants {needs?} all money, for ads. The girl gets 70 house gets 30, cuz house is taking all the calls, She has cells that go 24/7.. those things never stop ringing.
Now, as an artist (me), I told her, I could come up with a name and logo that would bring her clients, (I came up with a good one name and logo.. hey it made her shut up, she never stops talking). Seems all biz men want Asians. This is her biggest concern.
But she owns a name, that stands out, and girls try to use it with a word or two around it.
Other place the money goes. Her looks, she's had her eyes, permanently eyelinered, and her lashes permanently eyelashed, and her brows (I wondered why the hell she always looked bite eyed bushy taliled
And alot of the ladies, have their faces done.. she has helped alot of 50 y ol escorts during their time of healing after face, tummy, extra lifts... Upkeep... they are serious about upkeep! wow!
She keeps an eye on biz convntions, on her calendar... this is a 24 hr job. Oh, and alot of the asian girls arnt legal, so they run their money thru her accounts, so she collects as well... pays taxes for them... then her shyster lawyer ripped her off 180grand last yer... and she has to start over!!
theirs always someone around to hurt these girls/ladies. and yes they HATE THE MEN. OH YES THEY DO!! the face you see, all smiling and nice, is so afraid os what is gonna happen, they want in and they want out. (she told me alot more.. but that enuff for now)
Wait.. remember 'BARKERS'? sure don;t need them any more!! (standing at front of strip joint 'come one in'
Now 21 yr old boys run there...cant keep um out. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 1:54:00 PM |
if more women had a clue how to satisfy a man's needs
This places the burden/responsibility/blame for prostitution directly on the women who didn't "do you" as often/as well/as recklessly as you wanted. Your needs...did you
try recognizing or satisfying hers? and btw, thanks for proving my point!!!
isn't everything in society geared more toward men
yep. all about you. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 2:07:32 PM | This places the burden/responsibility/blame for prostitution directly on the women who didn't "do you" as often/as well/as recklessly as you wanted. Your needs...did you try recognizing or satisfying hers?
As any married man can testify, to satisfy her needs is not a guarantee of her satisfying his. More probably, she would be really offended if he even hints that satisfying her needs somehow obligates her to reciprocate.
Anyway, are you saying that if he satisfies her needs, she should put out? Isn't that akin to "pay" her?
Besides, the only ones who use "blame" are those against prostitution. I don't "blame" women who don't "do me" for prostitution. I simply choose not to bother unwilling women, and go to a willing prostitute.
yep. all about you.
On the contrary, we don't want to bother "you". That's why we go to a prostitute, instead of forcing ourselves on you.
And anyway, what's wrong with thinking about oneself sometimes? Do you really think we should be always all about your needs and never about ours? | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 2:16:24 PM | I guess I don't understand why "bothering" or "forcing" appear to be the only options. My former husband never had to "force" me...that is one area in which we never had issues. On those occasions when I was tired or depressed, he found gentle or romantic ways to make it appealing to me...and we were both quite satisfied as a result.
In all fairness, I don't know who you've been in relationships with, but the idea of negotiation and mutual satisfaction might actually be worked out.
to satisfy her needs is not a guarantee of her satisfying his
You're absolutely right about this, Rock...but the reverse is also often true - and you don't see nearly as many women turning to male prostitutes, despite their availability.
Why do you suppose that is? Women need it too... | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 2:22:28 PM | Not all men who pay for it are single My friend says, 99% are married, in from outta town, on convention. It's always done at their 'hotels'.. she hates going to hotels by airport.
The men know exctly what they want, ie: blonde with big boobs.. or burnette with small boobs, or asian (funny how they never specify their body parts??) And the marrrid ones, use cash.. want no paper work.
Credit Cards are pre approved, and hotel, and room number before she goes. (I'm asking her as I go along here..) Ok, CCs can be cancelled and have, too many times, by following day.. = married, she said.
Not all male escorts suffer from social stigma, or are assumed to be gay.
Some enjoy their profession and feel they're performing a valuable service
for their clients. Ok, I can answer that, living off Polk st, famous for boy hookers, and a small club for (married) Men with (again) Asian boys. That place is packed to rafters, every wekend, and these men and their boys are always well dressed and very upscale... yeah those are happy ones.
Otherside, the ones on the street, 13 yrs I watched the goings ons. These boys ARE straight, but run aways, or no skilled, or??? They have told me "yea, I like it, it's nothing to give um a bj, grab momey and go. It's my decision, If i don't want this prick going up my a--, he aint going. Guess cause the girls are physically weaker and can be taken over. But we guys are strong and have no shame in kicking their freaking a--"
When I was a nurse, these weaker boys.. oh man... in short there back ends were riddled with herpes. One told us 'his dad turned him out at 12 yrs old, after stringing him out
Yet, back in early 90's boys were being found dead, left and right in Polk stret area. And I so HATE TO BRING THIS UP AGAIN... A COP WAS BEHIND IT... i knew, because one kid, night b4 he was found murdered, begged me to stay at my apt for 'safe keeping... please im afraid...' told me what happed. "2 cops took me to (place) told me if I didnt stop what i was doing on polk st this is whats gona happen to me.. and a (other thing happen to him)..."
We live in powerful angainst the powerless at times... I think of Sally Standford, back when.. famous Madam and Mayor of Sausilito... And our very own Carol Doda, her club and her imagine still stands high over Columbus St...
Lets not forget the Mitchell Brothers, and Offarell Club... | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 2:28:40 PM | I guess I don't understand why "bothering" or "forcing" appear to be the only options.
What are the other options? You said yourself we men have no clue about how to get sex. And certainly there is nobody out there to teach us. And anyway, such teaching normally implies a guy jumping through an awful lot of loops, just for the "privilege" of having sex with a woman. Maybe women like to think that their **** is worth the hassle. Personally I don't think so.
It's a lot easier, faster, and more honest, just to pay for it.
In all fairness, I don't know who you've been in relationships with, but the idea of negotiation and mutual satisfaction might actually be worked out.
In my experience, every time a woman says "mutual satisfaction" it means "I'll be satisfied and you will shut up or I'll make it worse for you". Sorry but no.
Why do you suppose that is? Women need it too...
There are not many male prostitutes... but there are more than a lot of guys screwing married women. The only difference is that most women, unless they're really ugly, don't need to pay for it. But you haven't been to the Caribbean, have you? Plenty of male prostitution for female tourists there. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 2:32:07 PM | Hats off to yna6....I am a woman, and I am a strong advocate of legalized prostitution. I write to many men who are in marriages where the wife just doesn't want to have sex anymore. They often don't even sleep in the same bed. What woman in the free world really believes that her man is going to live like this??? If you have chosen not to have sexual relations with your spouse, then you should expect them to look elsewhere. This is a big part of a marriage for God's sake. Many men stay with the wife because of the kids, or the money, and use prostutites for the solution to their physical needs. If the state or the Feds would legalize it, they could clean up the act......hence solving the problem of health issues, and then tax it and make income from it.
Let's face it....prostitutes are better than affairs....and it has been proven through history that you aren't going to get rid of it.
If you are a woman, and have a problem with it.....then maybe you should look inside. The emotional, and physical blackmail you are playing with is just a ploy.....a way to punish for some undetermined slight. Get off your asses, and get in bed with your husbands....or expect them to play around. You are giving the rest of us a bad name! | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 2:37:57 PM | | Dawn1114 is absolutely correct. The man who murdered your sister could have been a grocery store clerk who followed her home. It is not only John's who are serial killers. And if you legalize the trade, you would have legal brothels, where protection for the workers is provided, as opposed to climbing in a stranger's car and driving off with them alone. It is not prostitution that kills, it is the killers! And killers are found in all walks of life. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 2:41:23 PM | prostitution should be legalized.... less horney guys on the streets and women with less baragaining power over men.....
works for me. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 2:49:10 PM | Amsterdam is legal (so a counslor told me in late 90's).. she was a mental mess though? why? who hurt her.. she was fired for her mental issues... but before she left, she use to tell me I shoud be a prostitue, i'd make alot of money, own myself, and the power of owning onesself is very intoxicating.
So, we legalize... who's gonna own it/them/the girls/the boys/... what kinda chaos will ensue errrrr!!
freedom to choose which room to go into? or freedom to choose which nite u want off? sick days? Yes, it should happen, a trial run... but whose gonna mess it up? Who's gonna apply for a job, get turned down... 'no, ur too flat, ur too fat.. we'll call u, dont call us...'
All the little red light's will shut down? So much turn over, finding all the illegals,
Wouldnt it be perfect, if it was Hilary to do this (if she's president), start the campagin.. my my..
Sex therapists, arnt they legal prostitues??
edit: friend just told me to tell you all, 'only women who love their excort jobs are the ones who have 'regulars' and only 'regulars' | |
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Posted: 2/24/2008 2:50:31 PM | Hey look Rock....I feel sorry for you....but from your post it sounds like you neither have any interest in a relationship with a woman NOR do you give it any value...
<div class="quote">What are the other options? How about communication? WHAT a concept. Negotiation? Mutual excitement? If those are "hoops"...I don' t think there's much hope for you.
<div class="quote"> You said yourself we men have no clue about how to get sex. nah. I said "IF" more of them had a clue...
<div class="quote">And certainly there is nobody out there to teach us. sure there is....your partner. she's different from the last one...and you're different from her last one. Learn from each other.
<div class="quote">And anyway, such teaching normally implies a guy jumping through an awful lot of loops, just for the "privilege" of having sex with a woman. It's SUPPOSED to be a privilege....hell if it's not, why do you even WANT her? Relationships are an effort, we jump through hoops too...
Your experience with women DOES sound like it has sucked - for which I feel profoundly sorry for you - but it may be you have been barking up the wrong trees....or barking at them for the wrong reasons. Not all women regard sex as a chore.
The purpose of sex is different from one person to the next...and from one experience to the next. Some regard it as purely procreative. I prefer to think of it as expressive, intimate and mutual sastisfaction - EVEN in those cases where it's purely for fun. IF it's just to get your rocks off, ASAP...then by all means, go to the nearest knothole, sheep or whatever does it for you...but don't toss blame at an entire gender for what you have not been able to successfully negotiate. | |
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