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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/3/2008 4:40:58 PM |
I'm a 'pro-smoker' BUT I will say to those that say pot is safer than tea....smoking a joint is equivalent to smoking 5 cigarettes. So, it's really not all that great for your lungs. and who do you know that smokes even a 10th as much pot as a cigatette smoker smokes tobacco
even if that 5 times thing is true, its meaningless since you dont smoke that much pot to get a buzz...not nearly as much as the amount of tobacco you would need esp if you have smoked for years | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/3/2008 5:01:39 PM | To the idiot above ^^^:
By Ray Lilley, Associated Press Writer
WELLINGTON, New Zealand — A single joint of marijuana obstructs the flow of air as much as smoking up to five tobacco cigarettes, but long-term pot use does not increase the risk of developing emphysema, new research suggests.
The study by New Zealand's Medical Research Institute found that longtime pot smokers can develop symptoms of asthma and bronchitis, along with obstruction of the large airways and excessive lung inflation. The paper was released Tuesday ahead of its publication in the journal Thorax.
"The study shows that one cannabis joint causes a similar degree of lung damage as between 2.5 and five tobacco cigarettes," said lead author Sarah Aldington.
However, the researchers found that the progressive chronic lung disease emphysema, often associated with cigarette smoking, was uncommon among marijuana smokers. Only 1.3 percent of the long-term pot smokers were found to have signs of the disease compared to 16.3 percent of those who combined marijuana and tobacco, and 18.9 percent of those who only smoked tobacco.
Marijuana smokers had symptoms that included wheezing, coughing, chest tightness and phlegm -- all of which were associated with tobacco smokers, except chest tightness.
The study, which used lung function tests, high-resolution X-rays and questionnaires, also revealed that among marijuana smokers damage occurred to the small, fine airways which are important for taking in oxygen and removing waste gases. The extent of damage rose in proportion to the number of joints smoked.
Last week, another study published in The Lancet medical journal suggested that using marijuana may increase the likelihood of becoming psychotic, with even infrequent use potentially raising the overall small risk by up to 40 percent.
The three-year Thorax study involved 339 people in New Zealand, where pot smoking is fairly common. An estimated 160 million people use marijuana worldwide.
Participants were recruited into four groups based on smoking habits -- nonsmokers, tobacco-only smokers, tobacco and marijuana smokers, and marijuana-only smokers.
To qualify as a long-term marijuana user, participants had to have smoked a minimum of one joint a day for five years, said institute director Richard Beasley, who also participated in the study. Tobacco users had to have smoked a pack a day for one year.
Earlier studies have shown that smoking one joint results in three to five times more carbon monoxide and tar inhaled than smoking a cigarette of the same size. The New Zealand research also showed that the "products of combustion" in marijuana are very similar to tobacco, Beasley said.
Part of the reason for this is the way joints are smoked, with users often inhaling and holding the smoke in longer for a better hit. Marijuana joints typically do not have filters and they have shorter butts than cigarettes with a higher smoke temperature. Pot also is commonly smoked through various types of pipes.
Jeff Garrett, president of the Australia-New Zealand Thoracic Society, who was not involved in the study, said that although researchers found emphysema among marijuana smokers relatively rare, he emphasized that it does occur.
Hospital specialists also are seeing an increasing number of people with emphysema specifically related to marijuana smoking, he said.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-07-31-3571167218_x.htm
I know some folks that smoke 2 cig's a day but smoke a quarter (ounce) of pot everyday. Next time I go buy a pack of smokes I will dump out all the tobacco and will let you know how much it weighs up. And it depends on the type of weed you have inorder to conclusively state how much you would have to smoke to get high. If it's some dirt...yeah you might have to smoke a blunt or two. If it's some hydroponic kill...then you might only need two hits from a bowl.
So, next time you want to try and take on one of my posts...make sure you know what the hell you are talking about.
~Welder's Girl~ | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/3/2008 5:07:14 PM | Where the hell are those forum police? This idiotic thread should have been deleted immediately for its misleading title. (Not that anyone would have been surprised, judging by the inflammatory wording of said title. Pathetic sensationalism, to say the least!!)
"get mad baby" got it right in Msg 2. The thread should have ended there. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/3/2008 5:49:31 PM | First thing first.
Note the fact that the patient was told he must remain drug free for sixty days to be placed on the waiting list. Again, to be placed on the waiting list, not receive a transplant.
Several things to know about the waiting list. Like the fact that, to be placed on a waiting list for major organs, a person must first be diagnosed with a terminal illness involving a major organ. Then, the waiting list is no guarantee that you will ever receive the needed organ as opposed to dying while waiting. The vast majority of people who are diagnosed with a terminal illness of major organs are disabled, unable to work. This means they sit around each day with little to do but think about the pain and discomfort they are in, the fact that they are dying without the needed organ. Oh, yeah- Once your name is on that list, you cannot leave town but must remain on call and in touch every minute of every day, ready to drop anything and everything to get to the hospital immediately. If you miss the call or cannot get to the hospital at the right time, your chance for an organ can be gone forever. If you do happen to get a transplant, it can sometimes take years before it happens.
I worked for several years as a hospice nurse. Some of my patients used marijuana, some as a supplemement to prescription medications. Other preferred the marijuana over the prescription medications. As a hospice nurse taking care of terminally ill people, I turned my head. It was a duty I swore to myself and my patients to care for their needs. While I never went out and bought illegal substances for any patients, I did not deny them what brought them the most comfort.
There is no doubt that marijuana has properties which prescription medications do not. I suspect the greatest property is anxiety relief and decreased inhibition. A lot of pain for many patients, terminal or not, is anxiety and the inhibition which keeps them from living.
Yes by all means, let's deny patients with chronic pain issues the right to pain control, tell them they have nothing to fear except pain, no quality of life and then death. In return, we can place their name on a list with no promise that anything more will ever happen than their name on a piece of paper. | |
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| Man dies as result of Liver Failure
Posted: 5/3/2008 6:06:18 PM | Could someone explain how and why pot helps, hep c, I am interested in understanding, I knew pot could be used for medical purposes and would like to understand more about this topic......
Further, could it be just as usefull used as a tea or the way other herbal remedies are used or does it have to be smoked to help the hep c.......... | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/3/2008 6:19:43 PM | | You're simply not allowed any addictions in the States for decent medical care. It helps if you're insurable, as well...and bondable, and know law and real estate...quantum physics, trigonometry, calculus...you just can't go and get a transplant, for God's sake! Love, Titus | |
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| Man dies as result of liver transplant refusal
Posted: 5/3/2008 6:25:37 PM | largely because he used marijuana
believed he contracted hepatitis C by sharing needles with "speed freaks" as a teenager
ok now can we say misdirection
this was an ex drug addict who caused his own demise due to drug usage
he got off hard drugs because he had nearly completely destroyed his own organs, now the taxpayer is to foot the bill for his liver transplant at the age of 56? are u kidding me?
the article didnt say he was detoured because he did pot, it said largely due to his use of marijuana not solely
who deserves the liver more and how long will the patient live and benefit due to the transplant should always be paramount as to who gets it
id gladly step aside if i was 50 yrs old and there was a 20 yr old kid that needed the same organ | |
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| Man dies as result of Liver Failure
Posted: 5/3/2008 6:31:05 PM | shieldvulf... Msg 23
Thank you, Bo-jack! You make screaming Mimi, heebie-jeebie paranoia fun again!
I'm positive that Tim Garon didn't feel it was funny nor do people in similar situations. I've been following Tim's case and listen to the lies being told as the debate continues on a marijuana bill at the legislature in Minnesota this week.
Other than to say that I am allergic to the synthetic chemicals in pharmaceutical drugs, I am not going to tell my story here. I am grateful and consider myself fortunate that I was intelligent enough to find alternative professionals who could help me figure out what was wrong and deal with my trouble using nutritional supplements. There are many people in similar circumstance who are walking wounded... particularly children and elderly. And veterans who are suffering and living under bridges all over the country that have no idea how they got so sick, tired and worn out; and then why they were just thrown out like so much trash. I know they're out there because they can't take the chemical onslaught that is everywhere and when they can't function they're abandoned by family, friends, doctors and the government they served that just doesn't give a d*mn. Western medicine for the most part is no help at all... just want to give a pill to make us go away and the synthetic drugs only make us sicker. When it's my time to go, I don't want them fiddling with me. If I need something for pain I hope that I have the option to legally use marijuana until I'm gone... I know it will be better than any synthetic pharmaceuticals.
It's too much funny, isn't it? Our mysterious corporate overlords want to maximize their profits by killing off their customers! Holy crap! That is some complicated financial planning!
About the present case? The doctor and others are quite correct. We don't know all the facts. All I've learned from this thread is that hatin' is not a skill, but more of a nervous seizure. And that it's a bit less funny that grandiose fantasies of Master Plans and "I'm the only one who sees the TRUTH!" Now those are comedy!
Everything is just so funny... You joke about the corporate overlords killing off their customers... they're killing off workers too. There's more coming into the country every day, so what's a few thousand people killed or maimed as long as there's a unending supply of people willing to buy the product or work the job. Illegals will work for less and then the greedy employers can spin that to say that naturalized citizens don't want to do the work.
Back on topic... Most people have absolutely no idea what it feels like to get no relief from pain and forced to take drugs that make it worse..I don't either... fortunately I haven't felt that bad, but I can imagine it's like the worst case of the flu I've ever had times at least 10... maybe 100 for all I know. I know they hurt all over with no real relief... even marijuana only takes the edge off.. I have no idea what Timothy Garon was feeling and unless you've walked in his shoes neither do you or anyone else, including doctors. But you laugh about it... Irony would be that you feel as bad at some time in your life and think back.
So... Vulf... Get a grip... Take a good look in the mirror and think about who's the hater... you'll be lookin' at him. It could be a long drop and a hard landing from where your at.
I'm happy that I can be so entertaining to people like you.
Cheers...
Bohemianjack
"Time's fun when you're having flies." --Roger Gilliam (Cherokee) Wisdom from a cosmic astronaut. | |
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Joined: 2/7/2008
Msg: 34 | |
| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/3/2008 6:57:08 PM |
So, next time you want to try and take on one of my posts...make sure you know what the hell you are talking about. nothing you posted there helped your argument :) | |
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| Man dies as result of Liver Failure
Posted: 5/3/2008 7:03:18 PM | Ma'am, do not assume that the only people on these threads are layman. I also work in the medical field, only with cancer patients, and i am fully aware of the criteria, and side effects of anti rejection drugs. However, again, even though the decision is obviously difficult, it's your attitude, I find disturbing. You do not have any idea how a patient will live his or her life, after such an ordeal. I guess your saying past behavior will predict future behavior, and that would mean that AA"s program is a failure, as well as other's.
I'm not going to get into a pi..ing contest with you regarding this patient, but untill you've walked in his shoes, you have no idea what he went through. I just do not believe in Selective Compassion.... | |
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| Man dies as result of Liver Failure
Posted: 5/3/2008 7:29:34 PM | I have Rhumatoid arthritis. Medical science provided chemotherapy for me. In return for this I accept sometimes bouts of pain which I can take in stride (lucky me - the pain I had before was brutal!) and a strict no alcohol rule, as it could damage my liver. I put up with the cost and blood tests because my limbs flex and I can do stuff. Not a bad deal from evil corprate pharmaceuticals.
At no point did my specialist or regular doctor mention I should or could use marijuana for a chronic illness.
My prescription prevents me from donating my organs, and I can no longer donate blood.
Would I use marijuana to ease pain? I dunno, always avoided it as I didn't trust the proponants who always pushed it - like Madison avenue hucksters - as some sort of 'safe' drug. My pharmacist and doctors stressed the dangers of the drug I use and how to be careful with its use. Never heard any cautions from marijuana advocates. | |
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| Man dies as result of Liver Failure
Posted: 5/3/2008 7:42:18 PM | ^^^^thorndyke...you must have missed my post. ;) I am a pro-smoker, but cautioned that smoking pot can be as harmful as smoking cigs. I also always say that stoners shouldn't drive or operate heavy machinery while stoned as it does impair your judgement. So forth and so on...
~Welder's Girl~ | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/3/2008 7:55:28 PM |
I really don't understand why he would chose to die. Wow,you really missed the point by a mile.
He didn't choose to die.
He was using marijuana prescribed by a doctor, both he and his doctor apparently being unaware that this would disqualify him from receiving a transplant. Read it again, I don't think he had 60 days to spare. | |
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| Man dies as result of Liver Failure
Posted: 5/3/2008 8:56:35 PM | Sure there may be more to this story than has been reported, but still…
I know the controversy about whether or not to give a liver to someone who ruined their own by drinking or sharing needles for years.
I also know about needing a transplant, kidney not liver, but I still know. I also take pain medicine for chronic pain and I don’t know what I would do if when I need a new kidney one day, which I most likely will, what I would do if I was refused it because I take doctor-prescribed medicine for my chronic daily pain.
Yes, I know that the issues of prescribing both marijuana and other pain killers are a huge one and many people don’t think it is a real one. I wish there weren’t those manipulative people who don’t really need either who ruin it for those of us that do, but there are lots of them.
I don’t take medical marijuana for my pain but that is because I have found something that works other than that, but if I did need it and it was the only thing I found to help, I would really resent other people coming in and making decisions for me when they mostly can have no idea of what it is like to be suffering from organ failure or chronic pain.
I know plenty of people who smoke and I worry about them and still smoking is legal. This leads me to believe there are other issues here.
I don’t want to jump to conclusions about the insurance companies, but I can’t help wondering. It must have been them that decided they could deny this man a life-saving liver transplant because he was using pot, and it is so easy to use that to put all the blame on with all the stigma still associated with it in North America today. | |
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| Man dies as result of Liver Failure
Posted: 5/3/2008 9:20:09 PM | Thorndyke, your post made me think of some research referred to in an article I was reading while researching something else.
Why vaccination by potato got chopped
ONE of the first human trials of an edible vaccine produced promising results. But the vaccine, a potato genetically engineered to produce a hepatitis B protein, has been abandoned because of fears that "pharm" crops could be mixed up with normal produce.
Details of the potato's trial have only just been published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (DOI: 10.1073/pnas.0409899102). When 42 volunteers ate two or three doses of the raw potato, concentrations of hepatitis B antibodies in their blood increased up to 60-fold.
The idea of edible vaccines like this was to enable developing countries to produce cheap vaccines that could be stored without refrigerators. But enthusiasm has cooled because of fears that vaccine-laden fruit and veg might be confused with normal produce, with potentially dangerous consequences.
So the team that developed the vaccine axed the project two years ago. Instead, it is switching to producing vaccines in non-food plants such as Nicotiana benthamiana, a relative of tobacco. The idea is to immunise people by giving them pills containing the preserved, ground-up leaves of the plants.
"We don't say 'edible' any more," says team leader Charles Arntzen of Arizona State University, one of the pioneers in the field. "We say, 'heat-stable oral vaccines' now."
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg18524875.600-why-vaccination-by-potato-got-chopped.html | |
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| Man dies as result of Liver Failure
Posted: 5/3/2008 9:34:12 PM | So, the person was prescribed a medicine. Period. By a doctor.Period. So is it now ok for a doctor to deny a transplant to a person because of a prescribed drug? Yes, only because :
we are aware that if one requires surgery you are requested to not eat or drink and yes, in some cases you may have to temporarily stop taking other medications. That is just a fact.
All personal issues aside if you view it as a medicine not just simply as pot the conversational arguements change. | |
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| Man dies as result of Liver Failure
Posted: 5/3/2008 10:10:31 PM | This is an interesting topic which suffers strenuously from the common infraction placed on such socially stimulating debates. Nearly everyone involved has an opinion, and some form or another of self righteousness.
The man died because a critical system in his body failed, very likely due to an acquired disease which is commonly transmitted via socially unacceptable means. I am admissibly impressed that the whole pot debate has superseded the fact that Hep C in and of itself is an onerous burden to bear, let alone the drug use.
Furthermore, smoking pot had nothing to do with his liver failing. It did however have everything to do with his prescribed treatment for this disease. If the man in question was in a position wherein he was to be denied medical treatment due to another medical treatment, it is the ethical responsibility of the administering doctor to halt his officiation on the treatment which conflicts with the one that is more likely to treat his condition.
On the converse to this argument, the medical forum which provided this conundrum in the first place should have had an ethical responsibility to review the case in which this man was concerned. He was petitioning for a liver transplant to prolong his life, due to a debilitating disease which would not have been cured by this treatment. He would however have been given more time to 'enjoy' his life. Perhaps I am being hypocritical in expressing a biased opinion, but the fact that he was leaning on the medically prescribed marijuana argument to curry attention in his case leads one to the conclusion that this man was aware of his condition and was attempting to jump the shark on his disease. He was vying for a replacement for a defeated organ and utilizing a controversial medication as a means to permit him to cry foul for not being administered to the transplant list.
There are other individuals who may qualify for that liver who are much younger, suffer from debilitating diseases that are -not- acquired, who do not have the anticipated post-operative lifestyle of maintaining a prescription pain killer to further mediate said acquired condition who may have better use for a commodity that is blessedly and yet tragically rare. To supplement his life, another would die. To feed the fuel of a few more years spent regulating his disease.
Objectively however, as physicians, this was not the apparent consideration. It seems they would have happily qualified him if he entered a 6 month period of narcotic rehabilitation. I am Canadian so I am not certain of the methods of imposing such a regimen on a person but I have no doubt they expound on the already numerous expenses of coping with a life threatening disease. Furthermore, this was inspired by way of a drug prescribed by their own system, so this becomes a question of one hand slapping the other for doing its job. Therein there is grounds for debate.
To conclude, however, the man is dead. He has no more need of his liver and tragically is an invalidated candidate for organ donation himself. Along with innumerable other human beings on the continent of North America, his exposure to an unhealthy lifestyle has made him an unfit contributer to the very list to which he had been appealing. People seem to be weighing this thing as though it were a one or another thing. There is a lot of judgment going on here, both for the use of a narcotic with an unrealistically black public review, and for the medical system who, despite their forward thinking motions to incorporate a potentially lifesaving set of medicines into the modern forum, is incapable of moving all branches of its functionality at the same pace. Zealous potheads and their equally exuberant denouncers bandy back and forth with their unfortunately ignorant rivalries while others choose to judge the man for his ways or the system for its callousness. Everyone has a legitimate argument, but to go about it via this uncouth method embarrasses everyone who would see themselves involved in the eulogy for a 56 year old pot smoker who misspent his youth and paid for it with his mortality.
Live your life how you live it. It will never be fair, and the consequences are the same for everyone when it comes right down to it. Take responsibility for your life, the exit cue is not usually left up to you. | |
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| Hospital refuses treatment Man dies
Posted: 5/3/2008 11:49:37 PM |
So the team that developed the vaccine axed the project two years ago.
Instead, it is switching to producing vaccines in non-food plants such as Nicotiana benthamiana, a relative of tobacco.
"We don't say 'edible' any more," says team leader Charles Arntzen of Arizona State University, one of the pioneers in the field. "We say, 'heat-stable oral vaccines' now."
...................... Bet they don't make vaccines in Marijuana......... | |
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| Man dies as result of Liver Failure
Posted: 5/4/2008 12:37:44 AM | This is a man that has used drugs all of his life - - - -
can not that be taken into account about his future behavior - - - -
What I have found in reading this is that a lot of people are justifying their use.
make stories to explain that this is not bad and does not cause this problem - - -
and yes, I have some idea, I watched my mom at the end - I had a friend that tried to keep his mom alive by all means - - with cancer in her next. - - - he got mad at me for saying sometime you are going to have to decide when it is time to let her go - - - the aid cars sometimes were at their house a couple of times a day to keep her stable - - - and alive - -
She would be in so much pain that she would be screaming or on so many drugs that she did not know if she was on planet earth or not - - - when all was said and done - - 6 months after she passed on he said - he should have listened to me and realized that they did her no favors by keeping her alive like this - - -
But here is a man with a long history of drug use, He wants and needs the hit from a joint - -
should he get the liver over someone else that has been clean, does not smoke or take hits, is a very light drinker - - a glass of wine once a week maybe, and would take his medications properly.
That is the hard question for the people that decide - - - I would not want to have that job. - - for you are always going to make some mad at you - - - those that do not get - - -
Would he destroy that live in a short time - - - - - and then want an other and destroy it also - - - that is the question that they have to answer every day - - - - How many other people could be saved by that same liver or livers - - - they are not simply laying around looking for people - - -
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again a lot of this post is simply people trying to justify their wanting to enjoy hits - - - -
the stories about how it is good for you - - - and the facts showing the other side - - -
and the comments about legal drugs and allergic to all of them - - - that is simply not true, allergic to so many different drugs - - - - well, I had a friend that was Allergic to all legal drugs and other pills - - - turns out that they use powdered milk as the filler - - - low cost, in powder form, can easily be mixed with any drugs, and pressed to shape. - - - He was allergic to the powdered milk, - - - yips. - - - - but this is not the posters problem - -
she is simply wanting to justify that taking a hit is perfectly fine - - - - and no logic will convince her otherwise - - - - - -
Jim P. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/4/2008 12:49:24 AM | I really don't understand why he would chose to die.
Wow, you really missed the point by a mile.
He didn't choose to die.
He was using marijuana prescribed by a doctor, both he and his doctor apparently being unaware that this would disqualify him from receiving a transplant. Read it again, I don't think he had 60 days to spare.
Sorry, it was not prescribed by the doctor, if so he could get if from a drug store - - he was allowed to by his doctor and was growing his own - - - - and even arrested for it - - - most likely if he was arrested for growing his own - - he was growing more than what he could use and was giving or selling to others. - - - - -
Comments have been made that the active ingredient is sold at drug stores with prescription
but he refused to consider this and wanted the hit from smoking - - - - and refused to stop and take the active ingredient in pill form. - - - - why?
can you really trust a wife or girl friend to say the truth about if he really did stop? that is a question
Would you give this life long junkie a liver over someone else? - - - that is the question - isn't it. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/4/2008 1:01:42 AM | please explain how Marijuana would effect timber and petroleum industries - - - -
This simply does not make sense
Reality is that America had a large drug problem at end of the 1800's and early 1900's. During this time - - Cocaine was consider an ideal drug and was provided to workers the same as coffee and was in many popular drinks. - - - a lot of laws were changed as people started to realize what was going on and to stop the problem that was getting out of control - - totally out of control. This is why Marijuana was banned - - - -
again more miss information to try to justify taking a hit and that it is alright and everyone should be able to and do it also - - - -
Jim P. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/4/2008 1:06:45 AM | You as a physician,
I want to thank you for adding some common sense and logic to this thread.
So much hype and self justification - - - lack of knowledge and understanding
and really a lot of off of the wall - - - comments - - - anti - government and cooperations for no real reason except that they are against any valid information - - - take off the wall what others say as pure facts and refuse to realize that what they are getting is simply internet hype and BS - - - - junk - - - -
and then play on emotional and not look at the facts. And realize what is really what.
Jim P. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/4/2008 4:23:57 AM | >>>This guy smoked pot and he died because he smoked pot....
And did he die because of what the pot did to his body? Or because he refused to co-operate with his doctors?
This IS a misleading title and a forced conclusion- this man was not injured fatally because of his drug use- he was injured fatally, and refused to stop taking pain killers long enough to have surgery done to him.
You're so desperate to stop people from making bad choices that you want blood- you want to see a man die from pot to somehow prove that you were right- you're willing to alter the facts to suit your agenda and manipulate people.
You're disgusting. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/4/2008 4:29:49 AM | >>>This is why Marijuana was banned - - - -
And Millions of Americans now believe that pot shouldn't be placed in the same category as Crack and Cocaine. Pot is natural- You cannot overdose on Pot- there's a thriving criminal network for pot- can you actually justify banning pot without saying "well, its just like crack" | |
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