| Man dies as result of liver transplant refusal
Posted: 5/9/2008 3:35:36 PM |
i do think it's silly if someone is denied surgery because they're are smoking pot, especially if his doc told him to…
As far as this post is concerned, we both are in agreement that someone that is using medical marijuana prescribed by a physician should not be denied a transplant. So, in short, we agree on the important part of the post.
I could ALMOST agree with this. But given that it hapened in the US where they have many draconian law especially regarding drug...... if the denial is based on some sort of social sentiment then the denial is wrong. But is it? Or could the doc have prescribed barbituates instead and this guy still been told "no we need that chemical out of your system before we can proceed."? in which case the denial was absolutely correct. He was after all an adult of sound mind presented his options and he made his choice. | |
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| Man dies as result of liver transplant refusal
Posted: 5/9/2008 7:15:11 PM | off topic:
so then american citizens do not vote in politicians? democracy is defined by the following: democracy as currently understood and practiced is competitive elections. Competitive elections are usually seen to require freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and some degree of rule of law. so in the united states, it is not it's citizens who vote politcians in to represent them? the majority does not rule? that's odd...whenever i watch american politics, it seems pretty clear that if the majority of voters do not vote for someone, they aren't in office. a constitutional republic is simply a branch of democracy...all it is are categories of individuals chosen by the people and are governed by laws in how to conduct themselves in relations to power and avoid tyranny A constitutional republic is a state where the head of state and other officials are elected as representatives of the people.
Off the top of my head, the definition of a democracy is that everyone has a vote in deciding things and the majority rules. In the USA, many cannot vote such as prisoners and children so that is one thing different. In the USA, for example, we the people really DO NOT elect our President. Our votes are counted and then a delegate is assigned to vote for the President. The delegate “should” vote along the lines of the popular vote but, in fact, there is nothing binding them to vote as the people have voted. It is actually these delegates’ votes that really count in selecting our President, not the popular vote.
Democracy can be rather unfair so that is why we have a Constitutional Republic in the USA. For example, let’s say I have a beautiful mansion and my neighbors live in dilapidated shacks. Well, we could have a popular vote to sell my house and distribute the proceeds among everyone. That would be great for my neighbors but horribly unfair to me. That is why the Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments to the Constitution) was created. They provide people with individual rights that cannot be voted away. These individual rights are important and they are not addressed in a democracy. Another example of the problem with democracy is that most of the USA is Christian so the Christian majority could vote to have Christianity as the one and only religion in America. What stops that from happening is the Bill of Rights. Another problem with democracy is that every time we want to decide something one way or another, we’d all have to go out and vote and who has the time for all that voting?
I do not fault you for not knowing this as I am pretty sure that there are more than a few American’s that don’t know this either.
i'm not arguing with you anymore.
Okay, sounds good to me too. | |
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| Man dies as result of liver transplant refusal
Posted: 5/26/2008 12:37:57 AM |
Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use..... This guy smoked pot and he died because he smoked pot....
ummmm, no he died from the hep c that killed his liver. Did you not read the story you posted?
If using hard drugs he would should clean on a blood test in a very short time...
English please!! and I don't think you can really comment on the guys integrity without knowing him or his situation. I am sure there are many people who abuse the medical marijuana situation but that does not mean you should assume he was one of them.
if there is a 6 year old waiting for a liver with the same tissue type as this man, i think the 6 year old is more entitled to it. is it fair or right to play god? no, however, this man abused his body for years...what are the chances he'd stop after the transplant? then you have a 6 year old (example) who hasn't done a thing to deserve liver problems, with their whole life ahead of them. if you were on a review board in this situation, who would you approve/deny for something like this?
I am a little confused on this situation.......are you saying that doctors actually choose who gets an organ due to lifestyle? i always thought that the list was made based on urgency. Is this not an ethical issue? Could you clarify this for me?
i one of the only few who actually read the whole story?? this guy abused drugs as a teen and developed hep c from a dirty needle. he was also an alcoholic...THOSE things were what caused his liver problems....things he chose to do. the american health care system or money had nothing to do with it!
Vixen I have been thinking this the entire time I have been reading this thread!! I guess we can agree sometimes | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/26/2008 6:34:12 PM | I don't understand how this country can be so unfair... the medical use of marijuana should be legal both under state and federal law. I don't really want to rant about how this is all about politics, and politics boils down to power i.e. money... but I really just want to say Americans need to be better educated! Vote for change! | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 5/26/2008 6:46:02 PM | {As a physician, I agree that it is sad that they would deny a patient treatment because of smoking marijuana. I am aware that most programs for Tx of Hep C will deny Txing the patients if they have used any alcohol or other illegal drugs within the past 6 months but only if the substance was not prescribed by a physician. After all, Why waste a perfectly good liver on someone who is going to kill themselves with drugs and alcohol. This is true of marijuana also when smoked. Smoking cigarettes typically takes many years to cause chronic lung disease. Smoking marijuana regularly can do this in as little as two years! If the person agrees to stop smoking BOTH, I don't see a problem.
What a load of garbage, I have worked in Health Care in Canada for 21 years and I have never heard of that in my life. I would really like to know where you get your information from. Marijuana does not have any carcigens other then tar and there is no freaking way, it causes lung cancer in two years. What a bunch of Bull$hit. When both my Aunt and Uncle (siblings) were dying of Cancer they were both perscribed Marijuana to help alleviate the pain and nausea and to help with their appetite from the chemotherapy. I would like to see your doctorate.
I would have the following questions regarding this case:
#1) If the patients marijuana was legally prescribed by a doctor (not just obtained off the street or internet) then why was it considered a problem. Maybe he had lung disease due to the marijauna and so did not qualify for organ transplant for this reason.
#2) Why didn't the doctor simply prescribe Marinol tablets (purified pill form of marijuana and a legal Class II drug in every state) for the patient. This supplies the active ingredient, avoids lung damage, and has all the benificial effects on nausea and appetite.
#3) When told he needed to stop smoking marijuana in order to qualify for Tx or transplant, why didn't he STOP! Hepatitis C takes many, many years to cause liver failure and death. I am sure that the patient had been told many times that he would have to stop smoking it to qualify for tx with interferon or to qualify for transplant. So regardless of his personal opinion, WHY NOT STOP!
I have had hundreds of patients over the years try to tell me that the reason they keep drinking, using cocaine, smoking marijauna, ect....is because the mean ol doctors won't order the narcotic pain medicine they really need and so are using these substances for "pain". Yet review of their records frequently reveals that even while they were being prescribed large numbers of narcotics for their chronic "pain" they were still testing positive on drug screens for all of these other substances. It is frequently the case that the doctor prescribing the narcotics quit doing so BECAUSE OF THE PATIENTS ILLEGAL DRUG USE or because the patient was taking more than the prescribed amount. Addicts are by definition manipulative. You can't always believe what they say. Lets face it, a leading cause of Hep C is sharing needles for IV drug abuse so is it surprising that a large percentage of the patient population ARE or have previously been addicts?
I SUSPECT THERE IS MORE TO THE STORY THAN WAS REPORTED.} | |
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| Jana60 "Smoking marijuana regularly can do this in as little as two years!"
Posted: 5/26/2008 7:01:00 PM | | The thing is.... as an American doctor I believe that you come from a biased belief system. Chronic lung disease... tell me the exact study you have found that marijuana has been proved harmful? Who funded the study? There are many ways to smoke/inhale marijuana without damaging your lungs, not to mention digesting it (as you suggested). The thing is ... would you not agree that alcohol is a much worse drug? Tell me how marijuana has ever killed anyone? I have been a patient in the medical community, and have decided by my own experiences that the effects of marijuana should be explored more. Everyone has their own reactions to different drugs, but marijuana is not the "evil" drug are U.S. federal government has led us to believe. You should do more research also. | |
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| Jana60 Smoking marijuana regularly can do this in as little as two years!
Posted: 6/27/2008 2:40:44 PM | Hello all !
I ended here because I interested in knowing a particular member who's here for a serious relationship, she's from Westmont.
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Topic:
I agree and disagree with all of you. Who cares about someone smoking pot anyways!
All I've read are brillant, intelligent (Sorry in advance for my por grammer, I am VERY french.) and educated responses.
But you are all forgetting ONE thing;
We are talking about Human Beings, not professional statistis, 2008 social ethics !
We are talking about 50,000,000 years of evolution, human kind !
We have leaped roughly 1,000 years technology wise in the last century, we will evolve roughly 20,000 years over the next 100. Human race will survive with or without the system.
Pot has been around forever !
It's not what you do, what you take, who you're with ............
What matters is the the why ?
Why?
Why do we do, the things we do ?
140,000,000 years ago the birth of a flower was THE topic of planet earth.
Transcending from the plant, the flower was the very first thing to catch the human race's attention without it having ANYTHING to do with survival !
We are creatures of love !
We are our best, when we love, PERIOD !
I don't beleive you brilliant people should have an opinion on ANY OF THIS.
Who cares ?
Does this have a significant impact on your welbeing ?
The love that you share with the significant other ?
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT MATTER !
Social importance is .......... like a beer commercial.
........ it doesn't last.
For what it's worth, try this:
Got out early AM, especially if you're not an early bird.
Go out !
Do something different.
Come home, kiss the one you love ...... go the extra mile.
Give !!!
Then, check it out.
See what happens.
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Who gives a shit about politics ! George's opinion .. or even Steven's.
Why are you people talking about this any way ?
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All of this has got me sooooooooooooo worked up that I can't even remember your name but in a moment I'll be writing you direct because every thing I said ............................. I'd like to do with you !
.... You're hot. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/27/2008 2:47:07 PM | | Apparently "Get_mad_baby" smokes weed and has the medical knowledge to justify his declaration "weed is safer than tea and coffee." What a moron.... I would suppose pulling a weiner out of your butt is safer than leaving it in too. LMAO! | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/27/2008 3:02:38 PM | Nothing consumed via smoke is safe.
Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use..... This guy smoked pot and he died because he smoked pot....
No, he did because some bureaucratic idiots make idiotic decisions. Suppose he was using some commonly accepted legal narcotic (which is harsher on the liver), he would have been approved for the transplant. So it wasn't the Marijuana use that killed, but some idiots ill-advised decision. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/27/2008 3:17:26 PM | | I would like to know the research article where you obtained information that smoking marijuana is just as harmful as cigarette use. Volumes of research has shown that smoking marijuana does NOT cause the same type of damage as cigarettes. Are you board-certified in pulmonology, "Dr.'? As anyone that can read may find, marijuana has beneficial bronchdilatory effects on the lungs-the opposite of nicotine. Are you familiar with the extensive studies done in Jamaica? Shame on you, "DR" - get your facts straight before you lend your name to a myth long since debunked by science... | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/27/2008 7:31:25 PM | | In the spirit of rebuttal to the above post - I would like to know what research you have that supports your view that marijuana smoke does not cause the same type of damage as cigarrettes....Cheech and Chong don't count! | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/27/2008 8:25:06 PM |
I would like to know the research article where you obtained information that smoking marijuana is just as harmful as cigarette use. Volumes of research has shown that smoking marijuana does NOT cause the same type of damage as cigarettes. Are you board-certified in pulmonology, "Dr.'? As anyone that can read may find, marijuana has beneficial bronchdilatory effects on the lungs-the opposite of nicotine. Are you familiar with the extensive studies done in Jamaica? Shame on you, "DR" - get your facts straight before you lend your name to a myth long since debunked by science...
I would love to see a research article that you have to back up your claims.
Cite please. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/27/2008 8:27:02 PM |
Marijuana when consumed by eating or vaporized. Is much more healthy for you than cigarrettes.
Well.. as long as you in your infinite wisdom says so.... debate over... skydds has spoken. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/27/2008 10:07:40 PM | Maybe he was tired of all the jackazzes razing him for smokin da weed.....He's in a better place now that big marijuana plantation in the sky.....  | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/27/2008 10:38:43 PM | ^^^ You got it, he CHOSE to die.
Many people think MJ has no ill effects, as a firefighter I've dealt with increasing amounts of idiots who drive stoned. They have problems with depth perception, time/space difficulties, and are as a whole, NOT SAFE ON THE ROADS!
If ya wanna do it at home, fine, just DON'T MUCK UP MY STREETS. I don't like anyone who drives impaired, and I take Extra fun in reporting impaired persons to the first cop who arrives. Idiots who drive impaired NEED a lil anal intervention in jail, IMHO.
Of course, if a drunk or stoner hits a tree/telephone pole & takes themselves out, nobody except the family cries. Everyone else gets a good chuckle and goes on with their day. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/27/2008 10:55:03 PM | I think its time to sue someone, I hope it wouldn't be the his practitioner. I totally believe that review board needs to pay.
I agree totally that this headline is cleverly deceptive, man dies because hospitals suck. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/27/2008 10:59:13 PM | I wonder if the oral drug Marinol was tried before the MD told him to smoke the pot. The Marinol works very well for some patients--I wonder if taking the oral form--which is legal would have still banned him from the transplant list?
ETA: oops guess the doc had already mentioned the Marinol | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/29/2008 4:41:38 PM | Will that's the title "Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use.." But this thread is more about the O.P.s resentment toward medical marijuana and the people who are prescribed it..He hijacked his own thread..And where did it say after my first post that I drive and get high? Along comes Mr. Firemen hero with his statement about someone driving under the infulence of marijuana and how marijuana can kill..."Yes usually though the marijuana smoker driving under the infulence is also under the infulence of other things besides pot...Like Alcohol. "Don't drive on my streets" O.K. God..Don't drive on my streets either..... | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/29/2008 5:07:43 PM | | The Doctors around here(Mendocino County) Perscribe Med Marijuana and also recommend the vaporizer. It is easier on the throat than smoking. Claims a harmless vapor, so alls I know is the folks around here say it's lots better. Not an expert, but the people have spoken. Plus pot smokers don't get cancer or alzheimers like cigg smokers.So the current research shows. Plus studies have shown that what you learn while high stays in your brain and is easier recalled when high, as well. There's way more bad stuff to pick on than pot. | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/29/2008 9:28:53 PM | Again I ask where can I find and read these studies and reports about how positive a thing marijuana is in either stand alaone studies or comparisons to cigarettes/tobaco products.
Beware those that state; "Studies have shown...." | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:01:49 PM | Pot smokers don't get alzheimers???? 
Then Why the Heck can't they remember anything???? Stoners working at fast-food restraunts are WHY you get screwed in the drive-thru!!! | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/30/2008 5:35:27 AM | And...?
A rare event proves...what...that rare events DO happen?
I'm sure that some time this year,somebody..somewhere...will slip on a banana peel and die...
Should bananas be outlawed as a result? | |
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| Man dies as result of Medical Marijuana Use
Posted: 6/30/2008 8:19:46 AM | The amount of THC-only DWI arrests are rising at a rate which should worry even the casual stoner. The Oral Swab test gives an immediate reading on 6 different drugs...the results are easily obtained from any police jurisdiction as to what the rate is in any particular city.
Weed impairs depth perception and slows reaction time. It's not safe to drive after you've smoked a joint. Or drank alcohol. And granted right now it's cellphone usage that leads BOTH those causes of crash, but the bottom line is, they're all PREVENTABLE if people would use their heads. Big problem is, a lot of people DON'T!
It's generally not the medical MJ users that are the problem, it's the morons who think that MJ/alcohol/cellphones have no ill effects that go out and CAUSE a problem by driving and crashing into others. It's far safer for folks to not drive while impaired...but we've seen how well that works with alcohol...cellphones...etc. this is why the gov't comes up with LAWS...some of which are actually Designed to try to protect the general populace. | |
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